ytib wrote:B595 wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:
Why wouldn’t they just fly to the Ft. Collins airport if they wanter to serve the Ft. Collins area? There’s an airport there that G4 previously flew into.
Possibly because of the answer up thread: They were offered incentives/ subsidies to serve CYS, and maybe Ft. Collins couldn’t counter-offer. And something caused G4 to leave. Were the facility fees too high? Could be any number of reasons.
G4 left due to Fort Collins-Loveland airport not having a control tower. They were slated to come back but the virtual control tower was delayed thus they didn't return service in 2019.
https://www.coloradoan.com/story/money/ ... 058383002/From people I know in Cheyenne it is easier (and cheaper) for them to drive to DEN for flights then use their own airport. This has to do with the increased cost, but also from all the years being jaded by Great Lake service to DEN and many times they would just put them in a shuttle between the two cities. I know State of Wyoming employees when traveling will get a state car to do the drive south, as well as someone who lives in Cheyenne and she is a regular at Avis there since she rents a car and drives down to Denver for flights. Cheaper to do this then pay for parking and mileage from her job, and less wear on her car.
Even from the Lander/Riverton where I now live, driving to DEN (5-6 hours usually, 10 hours one long winter night) was probably the most common way people flew from the area.
I've started using United to Riverton more often recently but I'd suspect that Denver and Salt Lake City are the unofficial Wyoming International Airports for most people. Denver probably the greater of the two as its not that far out of the way for most itineraries to the rest of the country from Wyoming.
SPREE34 wrote:AA dropped CYS due to Covid related traffic drops. Hopefully it will return.
I believe it was even scheduled to go up to 2x daily (CRJ/CR7) last summer before the virus brought its cancellation.
joeblow10 wrote:sprxUSA wrote:The AA service was paid for by Cheyenne to SkyWest to offer a different hub other than DEN. OO just ran it as an AA flight to offer better connectivity to passengers. I believe it was one of the few AA marketed CRJ flights left at the time of discontinuation, it seemed. Sometimes they ran a CR7, so it must have been doing good enough at times.
It was supposed to go double daily (and even did during peak periods in 2019) so it definitely was doing well. I was on one flight and of course anecdotally, but it went out with 49/50 full.
I said at the start of this I’d be shocked if service isn’t back, it is, just not to DFW.
Cheyenne is pretty close to Denver
sprxUSA wrote:The AA service was paid for by Cheyenne to SkyWest to offer a different hub other than DEN. OO just ran it as an AA flight to offer better connectivity to passengers. I believe it was one of the few AA marketed CRJ flights left at the time of discontinuation, it seemed. Sometimes they ran a CR7, so it must have been doing good enough at times.
Ohh it actually flew at 2x daily in 2019?
SLC and Delta would be a good (not necessarily as good as DEN though) alternative hub for Cheyenne but I doubt it can keep more than 2x CRJ service total to anywhere. Now that UA has it to DEN and launched it last November in the middle of the pandemic no less, it'll probably stay UA until a city/government decides otherwise.
It's my understanding that CYS-DEN is part of Wyoming's semi-alternative EAS plan, right?
http://www.dot.state.wy.us/files/live/s ... 073018.pdfOssyoos wrote:CPR usually gets one UA E175 on weekdays replacing one of the CRJ, but it seems to be random. Otherwise, this is a pretty thorough list. People in town still have hope that G4 will return one day. Everyone says it was quite a popular service when they had it.
Last summer there were originally to be several E-175's loaded in the schedule per day. As the only other airport besides Jackson in Wyoming that consistently supports multiple carriers, Casper's probably the best positioned to keep service even in a future world with fewer 50-seaters, but that makes me wonder about the rest of the state's airports.
Rock Springs could maybe support a CRJ700/E175 someday and maybe Cody in the summer if Yellowstone gets more popular, but RIW/SHR/GCC are seemingly still at risk of there not being an appropriate aircraft type to serve them say 10 years from now.
RJNUT wrote:The State of WY did a nice job of consolidating the subsidized air service rather than letting it go piecemeal to various service providers. Great Lakes really destroyed the market and they are just now stabilizing and recovering from that debacle
Yep, so glad for that change... In fact, Riverton was doing so well in early 2020 after UA took over, that it almost immediately went to 2x daily flights of its own rather than sharing with Sheridan on one of them. Even in the pandemic, it went back up to 2x standalone over Christmas, and while they were only about 60% full last month when I took two flights to Denver and back, it was pretty good all things considered.
May 2020 was fun though with only twelve people total on a DEN-RKS-RIW flight and only six on the RKS-RIW segment when they temporarily consolidated cities for the worst of the traffic slump.
sprxUSA wrote:If anywhere other than JAC has anything other than SLC or DEN, I would be really amazed. G4 service from CPR, AA from CYS, NW from CPR to MSP all didnt last long at all. The service patterns have been basically the same since 1950. Of any possible route I would like to see tried, is a DL/ OO CYS-SLC route. Bet they would live another hub in addition to or instead of DEN.
I believe I saw a Small Community Air Service Development (SCASD) grant application from Casper a few years back proposing a CPR-ATL service, but that would be a little unthinkable today given DL's fleet strategy. Maybe a CPR-ORD someday if UA turns ORD into a fortress hub.
My pipe dream remains Lander's Hunt Field getting United Express to Denver instead of Riverton since the Lander area actually is the source/destination of most of the RIW demand.