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SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:17 pm

Can anyone at SFO confirm that the 01's are/will be in use for today for the famous "circle to land" visual. METAR looks good right now for it, howling at 030:

KSFO 191456Z 03038G46KT 10SM FEW200 14/M02 A2991 RMK AO2 PK WND 03047/1418 SLP127 T01391017 53000
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:21 pm

FR24 says yes
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:31 pm

RexBanner wrote:
FR24 says yes


Awesome! I thought I saw one line-up for the 28's on my way into work then peel off, but I couldn't tell for sure. FR24 to the rescue. I hope some spotters can get to the Millbrae BART station today for some awesome video and photos!
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:41 pm

Google showing 39 mph winds from the northeast. Wow!

There were some interesting routings earlier this morning.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KLAS/KSFO
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:49 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
Google showing 39 mph winds from the northeast. Wow!

There were some interesting routings earlier this morning.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KLAS/KSFO


They are back on 01R right now. That is a strange routing! Must have been some uncertainty in which RWY they would be using at the time. I saw some aircraft lined up for the 10's as I was leaving my house in San Bruno this morning. Don't know if they actually landed that way or made a big circle to get back to 01R. Let me see if I can replay in FR24 and find out...
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:53 pm

always a good day for videos being uploaded to various sharing sites! Good viz today?
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:55 pm

This is one I saw headed in that was coming in for what looked like an approach into the 10's but vectored around to eventually land on 01R:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW5313

catiii wrote:
always a good day for videos being uploaded to various sharing sites! Good viz today?


Perfectly clear day here in the Bay Area
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:06 pm

Yes, woke me up at 0530. Clear weather good visibility today.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:07 pm

You can tell UA is using a proprietary RNAV for the circle-to-land to the 1's. It shows up very clean on FR24. The ATI 762 cargo that landed around 3:30 AM is a bit more sloppy and the pilots are not likely used to flying it.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:21 pm

Listening to liveatc.net, quite a few wind shear alerts.

And, yes, UA is using an RNAV for 01R...just heard it for UAL820.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:29 pm

adipasqu wrote:
This is one I saw headed in that was coming in for what looked like an approach into the 10's but vectored around to eventually land on 01R:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW5313

catiii wrote:
always a good day for videos being uploaded to various sharing sites! Good viz today?


Perfectly clear day here in the Bay Area


Thats just the typical BDEGA3 arrival. They would have been around 8,000ft over SFO and vectored for the arrival, never planned on landing on the 10's. The arrivals, when landing on the 1's, doesn't change until your 6-8 miles from the airport when the Tower clears you for the circle to land
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:41 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
You can tell UA is using a proprietary RNAV for the circle-to-land to the 1's. It shows up very clean on FR24. The ATI 762 cargo that landed around 3:30 AM is a bit more sloppy and the pilots are not likely used to flying it.


There’s nothing proprietary about RNAV approaches. The difference you’re seeing is probably ATI flying a visual approach at 3a vs. the others flying the published RNAV approaches, which is a very good idea on windy days! All it takes is one yahoo flying a visual to screw up flow during peak traffic.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:42 pm

So does this mean the 2000 foot restriction out of OAK on 30 departures is in effect?
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 4:45 pm

maps4ltd wrote:
Google showing 39 mph winds from the northeast. Wow!

There were some interesting routings earlier this morning.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL ... /KLAS/KSFO


Winds have been the worst ever for the last month is Nevada I swear my building is coming down!
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:01 pm

adipasqu wrote:
Listening to liveatc.net, quite a few wind shear alerts.

And, yes, UA is using an RNAV for 01R...just heard it for UAL820.


I'm not seeing any approach for the 1's. My buddy who fly's for OO doesn't see anything either. Possibly a tailored approach?
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:11 pm

barney captain wrote:
adipasqu wrote:
Listening to liveatc.net, quite a few wind shear alerts.

And, yes, UA is using an RNAV for 01R...just heard it for UAL820.


I'm not seeing any approach for the 1's. My buddy who fly's for OO doesn't see anything either. Possibly a tailored approach?


There is nothing publicly available at https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_ ... ident=KSFO, so the RNAV to 01R may be company specific. I think someone posted in the past the UA RNAV.

EDIT: Here you go: https://imgur.com/mj0RD0m
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:17 pm

SKW5294 just went missed on 01R.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/SKW5294
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:20 pm

What an absolute bummer, this had to be on a workday :( Hope the winds keep up till the afternoon. For what its worth, this was last year in Feb-2020 when I went to SFO in the afternoon and filmed a few planes coming in on the 1s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c45u29eKFg The winds were howling from the east. What a treat it is for us avgeeks when the plane come in to land on the 1s.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:21 pm

@bayviation is documenting arrivals on his Instagram story. Great stuff

https://instagram.com/bayviation?igshid=on8kcx855qen
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:26 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
There’s nothing proprietary about RNAV approaches. The difference you’re seeing is probably ATI flying a visual approach at 3a vs. the others flying the published RNAV approaches, which is a very good idea on windy days! All it takes is one yahoo flying a visual to screw up flow during peak traffic.


Numerous airlines and airports have "Specials or Tailored" approach procedures which may be slightly or greatly different than the public procedures.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:38 pm

IAHFLYR wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
There’s nothing proprietary about RNAV approaches. The difference you’re seeing is probably ATI flying a visual approach at 3a vs. the others flying the published RNAV approaches, which is a very good idea on windy days! All it takes is one yahoo flying a visual to screw up flow during peak traffic.


Numerous airlines and airports have "Specials or Tailored" approach procedures which may be slightly or greatly different than the public procedures.


This is true. An earlier post has mentioned that SkyWest doesn’t have a procedure for 1R. My company shows an RNAV visual for 1R, and is similar, if not identical, to what United is using. I do know that many airports started publishing RNAV visuals to keep things more organized.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 5:58 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
An earlier post has mentioned that SkyWest doesn’t have a procedure for 1R. My company shows an RNAV visual for 1R, and is similar, if not identical, to what United is using. I do know that many airports started publishing RNAV visuals to keep things more organized.


Silly me, didn't even remember there is not public approach charted for 01L/R until I just looked. :banghead:
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:01 pm

Latest METAR:

KSFO 191756Z 03031G37KT 10SM FEW200 14/M01 A2998 RMK AO2 PK WND 03039/1703 SLP151 T01441006 10150 20139 51023

CZ8123 lust landed 28L, but everything else still on 01R.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 6:48 pm

adipasqu wrote:
barney captain wrote:
adipasqu wrote:
Listening to liveatc.net, quite a few wind shear alerts.

And, yes, UA is using an RNAV for 01R...just heard it for UAL820.


I'm not seeing any approach for the 1's. My buddy who fly's for OO doesn't see anything either. Possibly a tailored approach?


There is nothing publicly available at https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/flight_ ... ident=KSFO, so the RNAV to 01R may be company specific. I think someone posted in the past the UA RNAV.

EDIT: Here you go: https://imgur.com/mj0RD0m



Thanks yea, my airline has several custom approaches but I dont see anything for 1L/R in SFO
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 7:51 pm

adipasqu wrote:
Latest METAR:

KSFO 191756Z 03031G37KT 10SM FEW200 14/M01 A2998 RMK AO2 PK WND 03039/1703 SLP151 T01441006 10150 20139 51023

CZ8123 lust landed 28L, but everything else still on 01R.


The OZ flight also landed on 28 with 27 knots of crosswind. The NH flight afterwards did a circle to land 1R. He dropped below 1000 ft MSL over San Mateo and was at less than 900 ft as he cleared the Hillsborough hills (~300 ft AGL).

https://i.imgur.com/B4gVraW.png

https://www.flightradar24.com/NH9644/269d22d4
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:00 pm

As I look at the 1R approaches on FR24, it has me thinking, why not create an approach that lines up on I-280 and the Crystal Springs reservoir SW of Menlo Park? It could increase throughput to allow 28L/R landings and a third landing with LAHSO on 1R. This assumes good winds and clear visibility.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:03 pm

sincx wrote:
adipasqu wrote:
Latest METAR:

KSFO 191756Z 03031G37KT 10SM FEW200 14/M01 A2998 RMK AO2 PK WND 03039/1703 SLP151 T01441006 10150 20139 51023

CZ8123 lust landed 28L, but everything else still on 01R.


The OZ flight also landed on 28 with 27 knots of crosswind. The NH flight afterwards did a circle to land 1R. He dropped below 1000 ft MSL over San Mateo and was at less than 900 ft as he cleared the Hillsborough hills (~300 ft AGL).

https://i.imgur.com/B4gVraW.png

https://www.flightradar24.com/NH9644/269d22d4


I keep hearing Low Altitude Alerts from the tower as planes make the bank over Hillsborough with the controller stating that it's to be expected. Is the tower picking this up from ADS-B data and is this due to the varied terrain giving a "noisy" altitude to the alert system?
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:06 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
As I look at the 1R approaches on FR24, it has me thinking, why not create an approach that lines up on I-280 and the Crystal Springs reservoir SW of Menlo Park? It could increase throughput to allow 28L/R landings and a third landing with LAHSO on 1R. This assumes good winds and clear visibility.


Probably because on a "normal" day you are shooting departures from both 01L and 01R. I am surprised there isn't a visual up I-280 for the 01R landing. Probably a good reason for it somewhere.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:10 pm

adipasqu wrote:
I keep hearing Low Altitude Alerts from the tower as planes make the bank over Hillsborough with the controller stating that it's to be expected. Is the tower picking this up from ADS-B data and is this due to the varied terrain giving a "noisy" altitude to the alert system?


Yea, a Southwest pilot was talking with the controller about it.

Generally flights are around 1500-1800 ft starting the turn and 1,200 ft coming out of Hillsborough.

adipasqu wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
As I look at the 1R approaches on FR24, it has me thinking, why not create an approach that lines up on I-280 and the Crystal Springs reservoir SW of Menlo Park? It could increase throughput to allow 28L/R landings and a third landing with LAHSO on 1R. This assumes good winds and clear visibility.


Probably because on a "normal" day you are shooting departures from both 01L and 01R. I am surprised there isn't a visual up I-280 for the 01R landing. Probably a good reason for it somewhere.

Having a visual approach along highway 280 for 1R at SFO would probably require additional class B airspace that would severely affect general aviation in the area.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:21 pm

adipasqu wrote:
Latest METAR:

KSFO 191756Z 03031G37KT 10SM FEW200 14/M01 A2998 RMK AO2 PK WND 03039/1703 SLP151 T01441006 10150 20139 51023

CZ8123 lust landed 28L, but everything else still on 01R.

Tower just cleared QR737 to land on 28L: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QTR ... /OTHH/KSFO
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:31 pm

For the record:

KSFO 191956Z 04032G37KT 10SM CLR 16/M02 A2996 RMK AO2 PK WND 03037/1955 SLP144 T01611017
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:41 pm

Aww, LH 454 just landed on the 28s. Spoilsports. :P
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:52 pm

The party might be over. Two NB's in a row landing on 28L.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 8:59 pm

Winds now 010 @ 23kt, so it's back to the 28's. It was a good ride while it lasted.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:02 pm

KSFO 192056Z 04020G35KT 10SM CLR 17/M01 A2996 RMK AO2 PK WND 03035/2048 SLP146 T01671011 55004
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:11 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
As I look at the 1R approaches on FR24, it has me thinking, why not create an approach that lines up on I-280 and the Crystal Springs reservoir SW of Menlo Park? It could increase throughput to allow 28L/R landings and a third landing with LAHSO on 1R. This assumes good winds and clear visibility.

On normal days, 1L/1R are pretty busy with departures. In addition, I don't think even 1R is long enough for anything larger than a Private Jet to do a safe LAHSO. That would give maybe 3500-4000ft landing distance available. Plus, when they're doing PRM approaches, I think they like that whole left side clear so the aircraft approaching 28L can do evasive maneuvers if needed.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:19 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
IAHFLYR wrote:
orlandocfi wrote:
There’s nothing proprietary about RNAV approaches. The difference you’re seeing is probably ATI flying a visual approach at 3a vs. the others flying the published RNAV approaches, which is a very good idea on windy days! All it takes is one yahoo flying a visual to screw up flow during peak traffic.


Numerous airlines and airports have "Specials or Tailored" approach procedures which may be slightly or greatly different than the public procedures.


This is true. An earlier post has mentioned that SkyWest doesn’t have a procedure for 1R. My company shows an RNAV visual for 1R, and is similar, if not identical, to what United is using. I do know that many airports started publishing RNAV visuals to keep things more organized.


It's been a couple of years, but the RNAV visuals at Las Vegas require the airlines to be signatory for each approach. There were one or two that could fly the 19L/R one but not the 8R.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:08 am

It's not from today but here's a pretty incredible compilation of 1R arrivals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQarK6jQTZ0&t=293s
According to the video description, it sounds like the 1s at SFO are not equipped in a navigational sense to handle arrivals. The description mentions no VASI or PAPI lights and nothing to input in the FMC. The approach is evidently initially set up as an ILS 28L then circle to land 1R.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:29 am

BWIAirport wrote:
It's not from today but here's a pretty incredible compilation of 1R arrivals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQarK6jQTZ0&t=293s
According to the video description, it sounds like the 1s at SFO are not equipped in a navigational sense to handle arrivals. The description mentions no VASI or PAPI lights and nothing to input in the FMC. The approach is evidently initially set up as an ILS 28L then circle to land 1R.


yeah. that's exactly what it is - pilots fly the standard 28L approach and then break out of it by banking left towards the Millbrae hills, and then they turn right as they approach 1R, if I'm correct. That's what makes these landings reminiscent of Kai Tak.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:03 am

Was pretty wild banking in to land on 01R this morning. Never experienced that before.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:38 am

SFO 01R landing video from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQarK6jQTZ0
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 5:59 am

For those asking about the RNAV Visual 01R, it's not a publicly-available chart, but some airlines (e.g., UA) have the approach plate in their Jepps. It's a similar situation as the FMS Bridge Visual 28R which is the most commonly-used approach to 28R when charted visual flight procedures are in use. But that approach is also not publicly available, but most air carriers have that chart.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:57 am

I've been anticipating this for a while. Woke up at 5 and watched every arrival till about 11, here are some pics I took this morning. The most spectacular ones were the UA870 (lowest altitude) and NH008 (steep bank). I'll try to upload some of the higher quality photos I got today to the database. I wasn't even able to get the Prime Air since it cut in so tight it was blocked by the building behind me. Apparently local news reported some of the surrounding mountains got winds nearing 100mph. It was amazing seeing the variations in the altitude and path with different flights. Some made a full downwind-base-final pattern, others went straight for base after the San Mateo bridge.
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 7:20 am

I got NH008 in the queue from Bayfront. Fun day!
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:16 pm

adipasqu wrote:
Winds now 010 @ 23kt, so it's back to the 28's. It was a good ride while it lasted.


Actually in those conditions, it's anything BUT a good ride. :)

I saw more than few SVR turbulence reports.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:49 am

Here's a video of landings on that day. There are a couple 787s, 767s, and at the end, a 777-300ER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruHl9BmujyQ

I have taken off on the runway but never landed on it. Maybe someday I will be lucky.
 
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Re: SFO Landing on the 01's today?

Mon Jan 25, 2021 6:32 am

MrBretz wrote:
Here's a video of landings on that day. There are a couple 787s, 767s, and at the end, a 777-300ER.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruHl9BmujyQ

Nice! Probably the best video of these such approaches I've seen yet. Thanks for sharing.

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