The order marks the first time an Airbus aircraft is sold in Turkmenistan.
Deliveries of the aircraft are planned in 2022.

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/turk ... rbus-a330/
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lightsaber wrote:I'd love to know more details than the link has. For example, how the purchase is handled. Is the leasing company converting a returned A332 and either selling or Leasing the plane or did Turkmenistan buy the planes and then pay for conversions?
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ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
Chaostheory wrote:ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
The A330 has superb field and climb performance, especially the -200 which makes it well suited for hot/high ops.
EK, Yemenia, US and Nepal bought it for that very reason. Probably others too.
amdiesen wrote:Excellent!! geographically well suited and the timing is economically opportunistic.
Datum: previous threads were quoting/estimating $18m, $17.5m; A333, A332 conversion costs.
hypothesis: rr powered?
admission: having been pessimistic about the A332 conversions, its refreshing to hear conflicting data that is economically logical.
davidjohnson6 wrote:The weather in Ashgabat in July is hot
38 deg C or 100 deg F is fairly typical. Add a bit more if you want to allow for a temporary heatwave
Chaostheory wrote:ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
The A330 has superb field and climb performance, especially the -200 which makes it well suited for hot/high ops.
EK, Yemenia, US and Nepal bought it for that very reason. Probably others too.
davidjohnson6 wrote:The weather in Ashgabat in July is hot
38 deg C or 100 deg F is fairly typical. Add a bit more if you want to allow for a temporary heatwave
migair54 wrote:Chaostheory wrote:ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
The A330 has superb field and climb performance, especially the -200 which makes it well suited for hot/high ops.
EK, Yemenia, US and Nepal bought it for that very reason. Probably others too.
Why do they need that?? I don't think they fly to any hot and high airport.
ASB is 700 feet.
They have 8 Il76 but who knows how many of them are in real flying condition. 2 A330 are not a huge fleet but they are much more versatile and reliable than the IL's.
Maybe they will use them to HKG, PVG, DXB, FRA, AMS....
The B77F would have make more sense, but are not easy to get in the second hand market and they are quite expensive to buy brand new, I also don't think they need a 100T cargo capacity freighter.
alberchico wrote:I read that the new build A330F's have an elaborate nose wheel extension to make the cabin floor level to ease loading of cargo. How does this converted version address that problem ?
Aseem747 wrote:I think my comment on how Airbus bribed Nepal Airlines in reply to Chaostheory saying Nepal bought it for it's hot and high performance was removed for some reason.
ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
Polot wrote:Aseem747 wrote:I think my comment on how Airbus bribed Nepal Airlines in reply to Chaostheory saying Nepal bought it for it's hot and high performance was removed for some reason.
It’s a rather charged statement that could quickly lead to an AvB war, as you never actually posted proof that Airbus bribed Nepal Airlines (although I’m personally aware Airbus admitted to it in their recent corruption/bribery scandal).
smartplane wrote:ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
Perhaps not when the parties involved, lease structure and support are revealed. This is a total package, also on offer to other prospective customers.
Antarius wrote:smartplane wrote:ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
Perhaps not when the parties involved, lease structure and support are revealed. This is a total package, also on offer to other prospective customers.
Also, one needs to consider cost and delivery time. The 777F is way too big, the 767F has a lengthy conversion backlog. A new 777F, 767F and a330F are expensive. Which leaves the a332P2F as only option that fits cost effectiveness, speed of acquisition and range.
And irrelevant to any purchase decisions, in my humble opinion, its a damn good looking aircraft.
Aseem747 wrote:Antarius wrote:smartplane wrote:Perhaps not when the parties involved, lease structure and support are revealed. This is a total package, also on offer to other prospective customers.
Also, one needs to consider cost and delivery time. The 777F is way too big, the 767F has a lengthy conversion backlog. A new 777F, 767F and a330F are expensive. Which leaves the a332P2F as only option that fits cost effectiveness, speed of acquisition and range.
And irrelevant to any purchase decisions, in my humble opinion, its a damn good looking aircraft.
The lack of buldge makes it look boring
Antarius wrote:smartplane wrote:ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
Perhaps not when the parties involved, lease structure and support are revealed. This is a total package, also on offer to other prospective customers.
Also, one needs to consider cost and delivery time. The 777F is way too big, the 767F has a lengthy conversion backlog. A new 777F, 767F and a330F are expensive. Which leaves the a332P2F as only option that fits cost effectiveness, speed of acquisition and range.
And irrelevant to any purchase decisions, in my humble opinion, its a damn good looking aircraft.
TKflyer wrote:Is there a possibility that Turkmenistan get some additional received standard Airbus A330–243F (non P2F)
ikolkyo wrote:Odd choice considering the fleet they have.
WayexTDI wrote:migair54 wrote:Chaostheory wrote:
The A330 has superb field and climb performance, especially the -200 which makes it well suited for hot/high ops.
EK, Yemenia, US and Nepal bought it for that very reason. Probably others too.
Why do they need that?? I don't think they fly to any hot and high airport.
ASB is 700 feet.
They have 8 Il76 but who knows how many of them are in real flying condition. 2 A330 are not a huge fleet but they are much more versatile and reliable than the IL's.
Maybe they will use them to HKG, PVG, DXB, FRA, AMS....
The B77F would have make more sense, but are not easy to get in the second hand market and they are quite expensive to buy brand new, I also don't think they need a 100T cargo capacity freighter.
You're contradicting yourself in a single sentence...
Why would the 777F makes more sense if they don't need 100T capacity? That right there doesn't make sense.
vlaakko wrote:I'm wondering why they don't simply upgrade their IL-76 fleet with those new modern engines, then they will have a much more capable cargoplane
migair54 wrote:WayexTDI wrote:migair54 wrote:
Why do they need that?? I don't think they fly to any hot and high airport.
ASB is 700 feet.
They have 8 Il76 but who knows how many of them are in real flying condition. 2 A330 are not a huge fleet but they are much more versatile and reliable than the IL's.
Maybe they will use them to HKG, PVG, DXB, FRA, AMS....
The B77F would have make more sense, but are not easy to get in the second hand market and they are quite expensive to buy brand new, I also don't think they need a 100T cargo capacity freighter.
You're contradicting yourself in a single sentence...
Why would the 777F makes more sense if they don't need 100T capacity? That right there doesn't make sense.
it would make more sense fleetwise for the pilots, spares, training... however I don't think they need such a big cargo plane.vlaakko wrote:I'm wondering why they don't simply upgrade their IL-76 fleet with those new modern engines, then they will have a much more capable cargoplane
who knows what is the real condition of that planes, how much life is left on them, how much the modernization of each cost in USD and time...
I think the Il76 line is still open and new frames are more capable, but I don't know if that is only for military contract or they can be use in commercial operations
aemoreira1981 wrote:What are the frames being converted? Thus far, the only A332s that I am aware that were converted were three that MS sent out for conversion, sourced from its own fleet.
aemoreira1981 wrote:What are the frames being converted? Thus far, the only A332s that I am aware that were converted were three that MS sent out for conversion, sourced from its own fleet.
Boeing757100 wrote:Why not second hand 767s? I think they'd have commonality with the sub-fleet of 757s they have, not to mention the 767 is in a similar size range as the A332p2f.
Chaostheory wrote:migair54 wrote:WayexTDI wrote:You're contradicting yourself in a single sentence...
Why would the 777F makes more sense if they don't need 100T capacity? That right there doesn't make sense.
it would make more sense fleetwise for the pilots, spares, training... however I don't think they need such a big cargo plane.vlaakko wrote:I'm wondering why they don't simply upgrade their IL-76 fleet with those new modern engines, then they will have a much more capable cargoplane
who knows what is the real condition of that planes, how much life is left on them, how much the modernization of each cost in USD and time...
I think the Il76 line is still open and new frames are more capable, but I don't know if that is only for military contract or they can be use in commercial operations
Once you factor in the traditionally poor support offered by Ilyushin and co not to mention the inherently higher operational costs, the A330 is almost a no-brainer.
The Indian Air Force/MOD bean counters figured that out too when they reviewed the respective platforms before the politicians got involved.
Ty134A wrote:
You can order modern IL7s updated with better avionics and PS90 engines, lowering the fuel burn by 30%.
There is no way in comparing a 330F to an IL7. You can‘t go on a dirt ralley with a Ferrari!