majano wrote:Geoff1947 wrote:leo467 wrote:Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?
I don’t have details to hand but think Airbus was ‘ahead’ about 10 years ago.
Interesting that 54 of Boeing’s 77 were freighters or military , compared with 3 of Airbus’s 78.
Geoff
Interesting indeed. With the various travel restrictions around the world, well done to Boeing for delivering what their customers needed and could put to use at this time.
Boeing's success with 767F and 777F is impressive. After several years with total dominance in the freighter market, Airbus launched and got a few firm orders for the A350F. First delivery in 2025. It will be interesting to follow how the competition develops in the civilian freighter market in the coming years. I don't expect any further deliveries of the A330F.
I think it is important to differentiate between market segments when counting deliveries (and orders). The 767F does not compete with the A330-900, and the A350F won't win any competitions against the 787-10, when an airline wants to replace an old 777-200ER.
I also raise the question why military aircraft should be counted in a forum for civil aviation.
The KC-46 is counted as a Boeing "civilian" widebody delivery, since it is a derivative of the 767-200? The KC-46 is a tanker and freighter, and is quite far away from the 767-200 delivered for widebody pax service more than 30 years ago. KC-45 can be configured with passenger module, certified for 58 passengers, the last time I checked. There isn't cabin windows in the KC-46.
The A330 MRTT is a military tanker and passenger transport, often configured 250 seats. When on board the A330 MRTT, it looks just like a any other A330 passenger widebody. The A330 MRTT is counted as a widebody delivery from Airbus's civil department, since all further modifications are done at the defence department. All A330-200 can undergo conversion to an A330 MRTT, even after many years in civilian passenger service. In today's statistics they are not counted twice, since defence and civil reporting is separate.
Airbus have in recent years delivered about 10+ A400 (haven't checked 2021 deliveries) on average. The A400 is never counted. I would guess that is because there isn't a civilian variant of this aircraft? The A400 is a military, widebody freighter and tanker, somewhat smaller than the KC-46, with significantly lower TOW.
I would prefer if orders and deliveries were reported in market segments instead of just narrowbody or widebody, and preferably limited to civilian aircraft.
To me something like this segmentation would be better in order to follow the developments in orders and deliveries:
Civilian airliners:
- single aisle turboprops
- single aisle jets
- twin aisle
Civilian freighters
- new builds
- conversions
Military aircraft, including tankers, tranports and freighters, should at least be a separate category, or even better, be reported in the military forum of airliners.net.