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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Dec 08, 2021 8:12 am

FluidFlow wrote:
Very interesting the higher deliveries of the A330 compared to the A350. But then again, the A330 also seems to be the only wide body passenger aircraft that is not riddled with problems or delays...


Familiar story with the 767/777 vs 787...
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:19 am

FluidFlow wrote:
Very interesting the higher deliveries of the A330 compared to the A350. But then again, the A330 also seems to be the only wide body passenger aircraft that is not riddled with problems or delays...

What problems or delays is the A350 experiencing? :confused:
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Dec 08, 2021 9:21 am

PM wrote:
FluidFlow wrote:
Very interesting the higher deliveries of the A330 compared to the A350. But then again, the A330 also seems to be the only wide body passenger aircraft that is not riddled with problems or delays...

What problems or delays is the A350 experiencing? :confused:

First coating (reference to QR's grouse), second, a lot of airlines trying to delay their widebody delay as long as possible due to COVID-19 impact. Several airlines have postponed their delivery to 2023 onwards.......
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Dec 08, 2021 10:59 am

FluidFlow wrote:
Very interesting the higher deliveries of the A330 compared to the A350. But then again, the A330 also seems to be the only wide body passenger aircraft that is not riddled with problems or delays...


Airbus did position the 330neo as a "low risk" upgrade
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Dec 09, 2021 4:37 am

Perhaps worth noting that the November O+D spreadsheet now shows over 2,000 A32X NEO's delivered - 2,011 to be precise...
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Dec 09, 2021 12:14 pm

astuteman wrote:
Perhaps worth noting that the November O+D spreadsheet now shows over 2,000 A32X NEO's delivered - 2,011 to be precise...
Rgds

Perhaps worth noting
ceo orders 8047
neo orders 7776
neo orders could be larger before the end of the year with airbus magic decembers.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Mon Dec 13, 2021 10:21 am

This should then be Airbus YTD numbers



YTD 2021 (YTD 2020)
A220: 43 (32)

A220-100: 3 (10)
A220-300: 40 (22)

A32x: 417 (379)
A319: 2 (2)
A319neo: 2 (0)
A320: 0 (3)
A320neo: 225 (226)
A321: 21 (9)
A321neo: 167 (139)

A330: 16 (14)
A330-200:3 (4)
A330-300: 0 (1)
A330-800: 1 (2)
A330-900: 12 (7)

A350: 39 (51)
A350-900: 36 (39)
A350-1000: 3 (12)

A380: 3 (1)

Total: 518 (477)
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:56 am

Someone83 wrote:
This should then be Airbus YTD numbers



YTD 2021 (YTD 2020)
A220: 43 (32)

A220-100: 3 (10)
A220-300: 40 (22)

A32x: 417 (379)
A319: 2 (2)
A319neo: 2 (0)
A320: 0 (3)
A320neo: 225 (226)
A321: 21 (9)
A321neo: 167 (139)

A330: 16 (14)
A330-200:3 (4)
A330-300: 0 (1)
A330-800: 1 (2)
A330-900: 12 (7)

A350: 39 (51)
A350-900: 36 (39)
A350-1000: 3 (12)

A380: 3 (1)

Total: 518 (477)


Thanks for the update Someone83.
Airbus' goal is to deliver 600 aircraft this year. In such case December should be a very busy month.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/business ... onth-ahead

By December 11th 34 aircraft had been delivered, so another 50ish remains to be delivered the nest 19 days.
https://aibfamily.flights/statistics
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Mon Dec 13, 2021 12:12 pm

chiad wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
This should then be Airbus YTD numbers



YTD 2021 (YTD 2020)
A220: 43 (32)

A220-100: 3 (10)
A220-300: 40 (22)

A32x: 417 (379)
A319: 2 (2)
A319neo: 2 (0)
A320: 0 (3)
A320neo: 225 (226)
A321: 21 (9)
A321neo: 167 (139)

A330: 16 (14)
A330-200:3 (4)
A330-300: 0 (1)
A330-800: 1 (2)
A330-900: 12 (7)

A350: 39 (51)
A350-900: 36 (39)
A350-1000: 3 (12)

A380: 3 (1)

Total: 518 (477)


Thanks for the update Someone83.
Airbus' goal is to deliver 600 aircraft this year. In such case December should be a very busy month.
https://www.bloombergquint.com/business ... onth-ahead

By December 11th 34 aircraft had been delivered, so another 50ish remains to be delivered the nest 19 days.
https://aibfamily.flights/statistics

Thank you Someone83 for the update and chiad for the calculation. Looks like Airbus's aim for 600 delivery this year is quite within its reach.

Assuming another 11 days 34 aircraft = 68.

518 + 68= 582. Leaving another 9 days for 18 airframes, unless they go off early for Christmas......
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Dec 16, 2021 5:19 am

November Boeing deliveries

737 MAX (29)
777 Partner - 1 737-8 - Flair C-GEKX
Air Canada - 3 737-8 - C-GEJN/C-GEKX/C-GMIU
ALC - 1 737-9 - Alaska N924AK
DAE Capital - 3 737-8 - AeroMexico XA-MJI/N712BA/N887BA
FlyDubai - 3 737-8 - A6-FMV/U/L (FML flyaway on Dec 1st)
RYR group - 10 737-8200 - 9H-VUH/I/J/P/Q SP-RZD/H EI-HAW/X/Y
Singapre Airlines - 1 737-8 - 9V-MBG
SMBC - 3 737-8 - AeroMexico EI-GZA/B/C
TUI - 1 737-8 - D-AMAA
Turkish - 1 737-9 - TC-LYC
United - 1 737-8 - N17265

P8 (1)
RNoAF P8 - LN 8988 (B1 on Nov 15)

767F (2)
Fedex - N199FE
UPS - N376UP

747 (1)
Unidentified - SU-EGY

Tanker (1)
BDS Tanker program - JASDF LN1238 (B1 on Nov 5)

Total - 34
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:10 am

MD80MKE wrote:
November Boeing deliveries

737 MAX (29)
777 Partner - 1 737-8 - Flair C-GEKX
Air Canada - 3 737-8 - C-GEJN/C-GEKX/C-GMIU
ALC - 1 737-9 - Alaska N924AK
DAE Capital - 3 737-8 - AeroMexico XA-MJI/N712BA/N887BA
FlyDubai - 3 737-8 - A6-FMV/U/L (FML flyaway on Dec 1st)
RYR group - 10 737-8200 - 9H-VUH/I/J/P/Q SP-RZD/H EI-HAW/X/Y
Singapre Airlines - 1 737-8 - 9V-MBG
SMBC - 3 737-8 - AeroMexico EI-GZA/B/C
TUI - 1 737-8 - D-AMAA
Turkish - 1 737-9 - TC-LYC
United - 1 737-8 - N17265

P8 (1)
RNoAF P8 - LN 8988 (B1 on Nov 15)

767F (2)
Fedex - N199FE
UPS - N376UP

747 (1)
Unidentified - SU-EGY

Tanker (1)
BDS Tanker program - JASDF LN1238 (B1 on Nov 5)

Total - 34

Update: I got the tanker number wrong, following is the corrected one, then MAX total is 28.

Tanker (2)
BDS Tanker program - USAF 61 and 65
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Mon Jan 03, 2022 7:05 pm

Airbus has possibly exceeded its full year delivery target which was set at 600 aircraft.

Airbus provisionally exceeded its target of 600 jet deliveries in 2021, with final totals depending on a still incomplete audit, industry sources said on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/airbus-exceeds-target-600-jet-deliveries-2021-sources-2022-01-03/

Seeking Alpha mentions ~610 deliveries:
Airbus delivered ~610 aircraft in 2021, give or take a few planes, including a flurry of last-minute activity for A350 wide-bodied jets.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3784638-airbus-said-to-beat-goal-with-600-plus-jets-delivered-in-2021

For the record, the A350 deliveries thread identified 12 A350 deliveries in December 2021:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455949&start=500#p23107617
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:19 pm

chiad wrote:
tomcat wrote:
Airbus has possibly exceeded its full year delivery target which was set at 600 aircraft.

Airbus provisionally exceeded its target of 600 jet deliveries in 2021, with final totals depending on a still incomplete audit, industry sources said on Monday.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/airbus-exceeds-target-600-jet-deliveries-2021-sources-2022-01-03/

Seeking Alpha mentions ~610 deliveries:
Airbus delivered ~610 aircraft in 2021, give or take a few planes, including a flurry of last-minute activity for A350 wide-bodied jets.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3784638-airbus-said-to-beat-goal-with-600-plus-jets-delivered-in-2021

For the record, the A350 deliveries thread identified 12 A350 deliveries in December 2021:
https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455949&start=500#p23107617


I count 95 deliveries in December which will result in 613 for the whole year.
https://www.planespotters.net/deliveries/2021/12

AIB counts 87 in December
https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/all/2021-12

and 614 for the whole year.
https://aibfamily.flights/statistics/all/2021

I think it safe to assume that they reached their target of 600.

12 A350s (9 - 900's and 3 -1000's in December is amazing. It could have been more if Qatar would have accepted deliveries.
There were also 2 A380s, 2 A330-900s and 1 A400M deliveres for a totalt of 17 widebodies.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:05 pm

Reuters report that Airbus delivered 611 planes in 2021.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-01-10/
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:11 pm

chiad wrote:
Reuters report that Airbus delivered 611 planes in 2021.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-01-10/


From Airbus
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... ery-target


A220: 50
A320: 483
A330: 18
A350: 55
A380: 5

Total: 611
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:51 am

Airbus December deliveries:
A220-300: 7
A320neo: 33
A321ceo: 1
A321neo: 32
A330-300: 1
A330-900: 1
A350-900: 13
A350-1000: 3
A380: 2
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:05 pm

Boeing December deliveries

737MAX (32)
Aercap - 1 737-8 - Caribbean 9Y-JAM (Ferry to ATS at PAE on 12/16)
ALC - 3 737-9 - Alaska N926AK/N929AK/N931AK
ALC - 1 737-8 Blue YR-MXE
American - 1 737-8 N306SW
Air Canada - 1 737-8 - C-GEKZ
CDB - 1 737-8 - GOL PR-XMV
DAE - 1 737-8 - Aeromexico XA-MFM
Flydubai - 2 737-8 - A6-FMN/P
GOL - 1 737-8 PR-XMJ
ICBC - 1 737-8 - OE-LDW (Spice NTU)
Ryanair - 6 737-8200 - SP-RZG 9H-VUR/S/T/U/V
Singapore - 3 737-8 - 9V-MBH/I/J
SMBC - 3 737-8 - AeroMexico EI-GZE/F (EI-GZG stored, operator unknown) All 3 Norwegian NTU
Sunexpress - 5 737-8 - TC-SMA/D TC-SOI/J/L
TUI - 1 737-8 - PH-TFR
United - 1 737-8 - N27266


P8 (1)
BDS Norway - 9586 (LN 9026)

KC46 (1)
BDS Japan - 14-3612

767F (1)
UPS - N377UP

777F (2)
Eva - B-16788/9

747-8F (1)
UPS - N631UP

total - 38
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:30 pm

Are we comparing apples to pears including military variant in the Boeing figures above but not for Airbus?
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:43 pm

StTim wrote:
Are we comparing apples to pears including military variant in the Boeing figures above but not for Airbus?


I thought A330MRTT were counted in the Airbus totals when they record an order / delivery?
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 7:54 pm

Stitch wrote:
StTim wrote:
Are we comparing apples to pears including military variant in the Boeing figures above but not for Airbus?


I thought A330MRTT were counted in the Airbus totals when they record an order / delivery?


Yeah the MRTT's were counted towards Airbus commercial's deliveries numbers when they were delivered to Airbus Defense. Same for Boeing.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:02 pm

Boeing 2021 total

737 (excluding BBJ) - 261
747 - 7
767 - 32
777 - 24
787 - 14
BBJ - 2

total - 340
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:17 pm

So are these the delivery from Boeing Commercial to defence - or the delivery to the final customer? Not trying to cause an issue - just trying to understand.

P8 (1)
BDS Norway - 9586 (LN 9026)

KC46 (1)
BDS Japan - 14-3612
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:23 pm

StTim wrote:
So are these the delivery from Boeing Commercial to defence - or the delivery to the final customer? Not trying to cause an issue - just trying to understand.

P8 (1)
BDS Norway - 9586 (LN 9026)

KC46 (1)
BDS Japan - 14-3612


Those were both deliveries from BCA to BDS, although the delivery criteria for P8s and tankers are different. For P8's, Boeing Commercial put them in the delivery book right after B1 as hand off to Boeing Defense. Then BDS will tow those P8s across the street at BFI into mods hanger for military mods. For tankers, the ferry flight from PAE-BFI is when the handoff between BCA and BDS happens.

So for December, The RNoAF P8 B1 was on 12/12 and the JASDF tanker did the PAE-BFI ferry on 12/01.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:32 pm

MD80MKE wrote:
StTim wrote:
So are these the delivery from Boeing Commercial to defence - or the delivery to the final customer? Not trying to cause an issue - just trying to understand.

P8 (1)
BDS Norway - 9586 (LN 9026)

KC46 (1)
BDS Japan - 14-3612


Those were both deliveries from BCA to BDS, although the delivery criteria for P8s and tankers are different. For P8's, Boeing Commercial put them in the delivery book right after B1 as hand off to Boeing Defense. Then BDS will tow those P8s across the street at BFI into mods hanger for military mods. For tankers, the ferry flight from PAE-BFI is when the handoff between BCA and BDS happens.

So for December, The RNoAF P8 B1 was on 12/12 and the JASDF tanker did the PAE-BFI ferry on 12/01.


Thanks
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 2:05 pm

chiad wrote:
chiad wrote:
Reuters report that Airbus delivered 611 planes in 2021.
https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 022-01-10/


From Airbus
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/pres ... ery-target


A220: 50
A320: 483
A330: 18
A350: 55
A380: 5

Total: 611


Congratutlations to Airbus for being the worlds largest plane manufacturer for IIRC the third year in a row.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:54 pm

Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 5:10 pm

Cross-sharing this from another thread:
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Data Source: https://www.airbus.com/en/products-serv ... deliveries
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 6:46 pm

leo467 wrote:
Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?


I don’t have details to hand but think Airbus was ‘ahead’ about 10 years ago.

Interesting that 54 of Boeing’s 77 were freighters or military , compared with 3 of Airbus’s 78.

Geoff
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:01 pm

Geoff1947 wrote:
leo467 wrote:
Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?


I don’t have details to hand but think Airbus was ‘ahead’ about 10 years ago.

Interesting that 54 of Boeing’s 77 were freighters or military , compared with 3 of Airbus’s 78.

Geoff


Well, most of Boeing's passenger widebodies are on a delivery hiatus :/
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 7:08 pm

Geoff1947 wrote:
leo467 wrote:
Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?


I don’t have details to hand but think Airbus was ‘ahead’ about 10 years ago.

Interesting that 54 of Boeing’s 77 were freighters or military , compared with 3 of Airbus’s 78.

Geoff

Interesting indeed. With the various travel restrictions around the world, well done to Boeing for delivering what their customers needed and could put to use at this time.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:30 pm

majano wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
leo467 wrote:
Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?


I don’t have details to hand but think Airbus was ‘ahead’ about 10 years ago.

Interesting that 54 of Boeing’s 77 were freighters or military , compared with 3 of Airbus’s 78.

Geoff

Interesting indeed. With the various travel restrictions around the world, well done to Boeing for delivering what their customers needed and could put to use at this time.


:roll:
Riiight
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 9:40 pm

Airbus A320 family has a backlog of 5839. Maybe I missed it but what is the 737 Max backlog?
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 10:35 pm

william wrote:
Airbus A320 family has a backlog of 5839. Maybe I missed it but what is the 737 Max backlog?


4,138 unadjusted, 3,414 adjusted according to ASC 606
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:42 pm

mjoelnir wrote:
william wrote:
Airbus A320 family has a backlog of 5839. Maybe I missed it but what is the 737 Max backlog?


4,138 unadjusted, 3,414 adjusted according to ASC 606


Thank you
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:31 am

majano wrote:
Geoff1947 wrote:
leo467 wrote:
Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?


I don’t have details to hand but think Airbus was ‘ahead’ about 10 years ago.

Interesting that 54 of Boeing’s 77 were freighters or military , compared with 3 of Airbus’s 78.

Geoff

Interesting indeed. With the various travel restrictions around the world, well done to Boeing for delivering what their customers needed and could put to use at this time.


Boeing's success with 767F and 777F is impressive. After several years with total dominance in the freighter market, Airbus launched and got a few firm orders for the A350F. First delivery in 2025. It will be interesting to follow how the competition develops in the civilian freighter market in the coming years. I don't expect any further deliveries of the A330F.

I think it is important to differentiate between market segments when counting deliveries (and orders). The 767F does not compete with the A330-900, and the A350F won't win any competitions against the 787-10, when an airline wants to replace an old 777-200ER.

I also raise the question why military aircraft should be counted in a forum for civil aviation.

The KC-46 is counted as a Boeing "civilian" widebody delivery, since it is a derivative of the 767-200? The KC-46 is a tanker and freighter, and is quite far away from the 767-200 delivered for widebody pax service more than 30 years ago. KC-45 can be configured with passenger module, certified for 58 passengers, the last time I checked. There isn't cabin windows in the KC-46.

The A330 MRTT is a military tanker and passenger transport, often configured 250 seats. When on board the A330 MRTT, it looks just like a any other A330 passenger widebody. The A330 MRTT is counted as a widebody delivery from Airbus's civil department, since all further modifications are done at the defence department. All A330-200 can undergo conversion to an A330 MRTT, even after many years in civilian passenger service. In today's statistics they are not counted twice, since defence and civil reporting is separate.

Airbus have in recent years delivered about 10+ A400 (haven't checked 2021 deliveries) on average. The A400 is never counted. I would guess that is because there isn't a civilian variant of this aircraft? The A400 is a military, widebody freighter and tanker, somewhat smaller than the KC-46, with significantly lower TOW.

I would prefer if orders and deliveries were reported in market segments instead of just narrowbody or widebody, and preferably limited to civilian aircraft.

To me something like this segmentation would be better in order to follow the developments in orders and deliveries:

Civilian airliners:
- single aisle turboprops
- single aisle jets
- twin aisle

Civilian freighters
- new builds
- conversions

Military aircraft, including tankers, tranports and freighters, should at least be a separate category, or even better, be reported in the military forum of airliners.net.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:42 am

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Airbus delivered 78 widebodies vs 77 Boeing. Is it the first time ever they delivered more wb planes in a calendar year…?

Far from it.

Airbus delivered more in 2006, 2008, 2010 and 2011.

But 2021 is the first time since then.
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:47 am

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I also raise the question why military aircraft should be counted in a forum for civil aviation.




I think the answer is because they (the 767 and A330) come off the same production lines. Ultimately, it matters little to Boeing or Airbus who (or what) the end user is.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:18 am

I think it is important to look at the detail not just the grand total. People will never agree what should and shouldn’t be included when making comparisons between Boeing and Airbus. Facts please!

Geoff
 
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Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:26 am

Widebody engine deliveries 2021

334 engines were delivered (not counting spares).

That’s the lowest figure since I started keep records in 2006.

TXWB 110
GEnx 56
GE90 48
CF6 38
T7000 28
PW4000 26
T900 16
T700 8
T1000 4

RR 166 (49.7%)
GE 142 (42.5%)
PW 26 (7.8%)

RR have delivered more widebody engines than GE in three of the past five years. In fact, over the past five years, RR have delivered more than 50% of all widebody engines (1,642 out of 3,244).
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:53 am

reidar76 wrote:
Airbus have in recent years delivered about 10+ A400 (haven't checked 2021 deliveries) on average. The A400 is never counted. I would guess that is because there isn't a civilian variant of this aircraft? The A400 is a military, widebody freighter and tanker, somewhat smaller than the KC-46, with significantly lower TOW.

The A400M is not an Airbus Commercial project. It was designed by and is built by Airbus Defense and Space (formerly called Airbus Military), who are also the ones who own the civil type certificate. The KC-46 and A330MRTT (and P-8 Poseidon) are built (in part) by Boeing’s and Airbus’s commercial divisions so they are included in those division’s accounting.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:00 pm

Hi everyone, I'm new on this website. It seems many of you know well how works aircraft orders and deliveries, I was wondering whether backlog was up to date in the December 31st release of deliveries and orders.

If we take Airbus data, we had a backlog of 7,186 aircrafts in 2020. According ot the 2021 release, they had 611 deliveries and 507 net orders in 2021, resulting in a new backlog of 7,082 aircraft. Maths seem correct here: 7186 - 622 + 507 = 7082.

However figures don't match if we do the same thing with Boeing. If I'm not mistaken, we had a backlog of 4,223 aircrafts in 2020, and for 2021 we had 340 deliveries, either 479 or 535 net orders (whether it is ASC-adjusted or not) and a resulting backlog of 4,250 aircrafts. Using the same formula as the one for Airbus, we should have a backlog either of 4,362 aircrafts with 479 net orders or 4,418 aircrafts with 535 net orders.

Is this because some figures are wrong, if so I guess it should either be the 2020 backlog or the 2021 backlog? Unless is it because of ASC accounting rules disrupting the formula? I would be happy to know if you have any insight about this.
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:29 pm

Details of Boeing's 2021 deliveries

2021 (2020)
737: 263 (43)

737-800: 17 (16)
737-MAX 8: 207 (18)
737-MAX 9: 39 (9)

747: 7 (5)
747-8F: 7 (5)

767: 32 (30)
767-300F: 19 (19)
767-2C: 13 (11)

777: 24 (26)
777-200LR: 1 (0)
777-300ER: 7 (4)
777F: 16 (22)

787: 14 (53)
787-8: 2 (5)
787-9: 12 (36)
787-10: 0 (12)

Total: 340 (157)
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 20, 2022 1:42 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Details of Boeing's 2021 deliveries
777-200LR: 1 (0)

Total: 340 (157)


Who took a 777-200LR ?
 
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Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Thu Jan 20, 2022 4:47 pm

tvh wrote:
Who took a 777-200LR ?


I believe this was Turkmenistan Airlines (as a VIP).
 
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