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Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:37 am

Donald Trump's 757 has been stored for well over a year missing one Rolls Royce engine. It is supposedly waiting for a replacement engine so the aircraft can have the required maintenance completed to return it to service in Louisiana. Where is the removed engine and can't it be overhauled or made serviceable for the necessary ferry flight? :old:
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:00 am

Paul Allen had 2 757's, and those planes were immaculate. If something broke, it was fixed ASAP. Those planes were stunning.


If Trump's 757 is still sitting there without an engine for a month, then I suspect there is more to it than a search for an engine. Who knows, maybe Trump is using a new plane or has plans to get his 757 back and running? Or, as the other poster mentioned, he hasn't paid for the fix yet?
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:12 am

There's another thread about this somewhere.

But I could have swore he leased 3 RB-211s and had one on stand by at all times. New York doesn't want him back in the city and with it being winter he's gonna be in Florida for awhile. He may be in no rush at all to get it fixed.
 
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Re: TRUMP'S PARKED 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:31 am

Trump did not need his private jet since he had AF one
So he just keep it parking
 
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Re: TRUMP'S PARKED 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:41 am

I did some further research. DJT Enterprises also has a Cessna 750 biz jet N725DT. But that still does not explain why the 757 is sitting around minus an engine. It's registration expires March 31, 2021. :old:
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Re: TRUMP'S PARKED 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 9:28 am

The Trump organization has much more serious things to worry about than getting that plane airworthy again.

In fact, I expect they never will and will be looking to offload it from their books. The last thing they need is more liabilities.
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:23 am

The interior appears tastefully appointed and up-to-date, so I’m sure it will fetch a decent sum when it is sold.
 
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Re: TRUMP'S PARKED 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:13 am

That 757 was one of the two 757s Paul Allen had. It is not in New York City it is well North of NYC at the old Stewart Air Base.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:34 pm

It might not even be worth the operating cost or one-time expense to get that 757 airworthy again. Setting aside political cheapshots, Trump's business (post-Presidency) business has dramatically changed and there likely is no longer any justification for N757AF's use.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:12 pm

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It might not even be worth the operating cost or one-time expense to get that 757 airworthy again. Setting aside political cheapshots, Trump's business (post-Presidency) business has dramatically changed and there likely is no longer any justification for N757AF's use.


The justification is that he expects to ride in style, preferably paid for by someone else (Air Force One was a nice perk), and if not paid by someone else then at least a business tax deduction for Trump (like his hair stylists). Many celebrities have that expectation. How often do you see an A-list actress in 22E on Southwest LAX-BWI?

If he wanted the plane in service it could be done easily enough. He may not have had detailed plans for life as a private citizen immediately at Jan. 20, 2021.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:30 pm

The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:35 pm

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Trump did not need his private jet since he had AF one
So he just keep it parking


Thank you.. I had no idea he had access to Air Force Once. that explains why it has been parked...You learn a lot here..
 
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chunhimlai wrote:
Trump did not need his private jet since he had AF one
So he just keep it parking


Thank you.. I had no idea he had access to Air Force Once. that explains why it has been parked...You learn a lot here..



He has no access to Air Force One unless he is on a mission for the sitting president. I think that possibility is highly unlikely at this point.
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:11 pm

What became of Trump's previous ride, the 727 ? Did anyone buy it and operate it ?
 
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BoardMember wrote:
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chunhimlai wrote:
Trump did not need his private jet since he had AF one
So he just keep it parking


Thank you.. I had no idea he had access to Air Force Once. that explains why it has been parked...You learn a lot here..



He has no access to Air Force One unless he is on a mission for the sitting president. I think that possibility is highly unlikely at this point.


Yes, but he WAS President for four years, during which he had AF1 and therefore no need to spend a dollar on this 757. But with a registry expiration coming soon, we'll find out what the plan is for this one. Really just comes down to two choices - keep it or sell it.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:37 pm

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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

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What became of Trump's previous ride, the 727 ? Did anyone buy it and operate it ?

It was sold to Weststar (a Malaysian company) for VIP use who just replaced the Trump name and logo with their name and logo but otherwise kept the basic livery the same. I don’t think the plane is used anymore, but not 100% sure. Information about Weststar can be very spotty.
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:44 pm

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The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric


True but it's probably a pretty low time plane, correct? And there are a lot of 757s out there so parts aren't a problem. Maybe sell to someone for freighter conversion?
 
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BoardMember wrote:
crownvic wrote:
chunhimlai wrote:
Trump did not need his private jet since he had AF one
So he just keep it parking


Thank you.. I had no idea he had access to Air Force Once. that explains why it has been parked...You learn a lot here..



He has no access to Air Force One unless he is on a mission for the sitting president. I think that possibility is highly unlikely at this point.


I guess those who responded did not know I was being sarcastic...
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:55 pm

This B752 had the misfortune to have to divert into DWC Dubai twice about a year apart both times due engine failure in the cruise! I believe Mr T was on board each time.
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:13 pm

Polot wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
What became of Trump's previous ride, the 727 ? Did anyone buy it and operate it ?

It was sold to Weststar (a Malaysian company) for VIP use who just replaced the Trump name and logo with their name and logo but otherwise kept the basic livery the same. I don’t think the plane is used anymore, but not 100% sure. Information about Weststar can be very spotty.


When Weststar got done using the 727 it was scrapped. I think in Singapore. :old:
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:15 pm

Last year the Secret Service had a say in the aircraft and the 757 was not an option. DJT's role has changed (developer, president, campaigner in chief), since there are no campaigns for the next several months, I would say there is little use for this aircraft for a few months yet.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:23 pm

I saw this plane at TPA's south Airborne hangar around two years ago. If it has been at SWF that long, it must have flown to NY right after its stay in Tampa.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 4:45 pm

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Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:35 pm

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The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric


Agree. However 30 years is nothing if you know anything about airliners and especially if they are privately operated. It more than likely has another 30 years left at the rate it is flown. FYI, the Vc-25s are 34 years old. FYI for the non pilots, VC-25 is the biggest presidential plane. All air force planes can be Air Force 1 if the current president is on it, otherwise it’s just a VC-25. When the president is on the C-37, it is Air Force 1.

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Thu Feb 11, 2021 5:54 pm

The only private planes that I can recall that have their operators name splashed across the fuselage. Donald Trump and Peter Nygard. Enough said
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:03 pm

Here's the current status of N757AF per Planespotters:

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ons/38w243

While the aircraft is between 29 and 30 years old, it only spent 4~5 years in airline service before Paul Allen (Vulcan Northwest) bought it, so it is fairly low-time/low-cycle, given its age. Allen had it converted to a VIP configuration in 1995 and used it for his own travel, as well as transporting the Portland Trailblazers NBA team, which he owned. The VIP interior lacked enough seating to transport his other team, the Seattle Seahawks of the NFL. Trump obtained the plane in 2010.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:10 pm

NWAROOSTER wrote:
Polot wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
What became of Trump's previous ride, the 727 ? Did anyone buy it and operate it ?

It was sold to Weststar (a Malaysian company) for VIP use who just replaced the Trump name and logo with their name and logo but otherwise kept the basic livery the same. I don’t think the plane is used anymore, but not 100% sure. Information about Weststar can be very spotty.


When Weststar got done using the 727 it was scrapped. I think in Singapore. :old:


The info I have is that it was scrapped at YMX in 2017.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1t2cYg_2J8 shows it arriving at YMX for the last time (20 June 2016).
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:20 pm

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JohanTally wrote:
The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric


Agree. However 30 years is nothing if you know anything about airliners and especially if they are privately operated. It more than likely has another 30 years left at the rate it is flown. FYI, the Vc-25s are 34 years old. FYI for the non pilots, VC-25 is the biggest presidential plane. All air force planes can be Air Force 1 if the current president is on it, otherwise it’s just a VC-25. When the president is on the C-37, it is Air Force 1.

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I'm quite aware of the ability for aircraft with relatively low utilization to be kept airworthy well beyond the life of commercial aircraft. This aircraft in particular is 30 years old and likely needs a fair amount of capital to be brought up to spec. It may be cost prohibitive with the massive influx of much newer aircraft being parked and offered for sale/lease. I hate seeing 757s being retired but this one could see that fate but hopefully not.

Did this aircraft receive the ADS-B update already? That could be another cost that would influence a decision.
 
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Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:47 pm

JohanTally wrote:
reltney wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric


Agree. However 30 years is nothing if you know anything about airliners and especially if they are privately operated. It more than likely has another 30 years left at the rate it is flown. FYI, the Vc-25s are 34 years old. FYI for the non pilots, VC-25 is the biggest presidential plane. All air force planes can be Air Force 1 if the current president is on it, otherwise it’s just a VC-25. When the president is on the C-37, it is Air Force 1.

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I'm quite aware of the ability for aircraft with relatively low utilization to be kept airworthy well beyond the life of commercial aircraft. This aircraft in particular is 30 years old and likely needs a fair amount of capital to be brought up to spec. It may be cost prohibitive with the massive influx of much newer aircraft being parked and offered for sale/lease. I hate seeing 757s being retired but this one could see that fate but hopefully not.

Did this aircraft receive the ADS-B update already? That could be another cost that would influence a decision.


I'm sure it has the ADS-B upgrade. The cockpit has upgraded LCD flat panel displays.
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:52 am

Would be nice to see the aircraft back up in the air again. The Trump fleet has other aircraft in it that are still active. With COVID restrictions and other economic ailments continuing, not a big need to move around in the 757. A smaller business jet will do and has been doing just fine for the current needs of the former President and his family/business personnel.

Stewart ANGB is kept pretty busy with the resident USAF C-17 Guard unit and USMC Reserve C-130 unit. Plenty of good heavy US of A metal keeping the ramp/active going.
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Fri Feb 12, 2021 4:31 am

I wonder as operators with RR 757s keep retiring them where the point is that they become too uneconomical. Do freighter 752s have RB211s? If I had one I’d never want to part with it, I can only imagine the takeoff performance of a 752 with minimal passengers and weekend getaway bags
 
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GCT64 wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:
Polot wrote:
It was sold to Weststar (a Malaysian company) for VIP use who just replaced the Trump name and logo with their name and logo but otherwise kept the basic livery the same. I don’t think the plane is used anymore, but not 100% sure. Information about Weststar can be very spotty.


When Weststar got done using the 727 it was scrapped. I think in Singapore. :old:


The info I have is that it was scrapped at YMX in 2017.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1t2cYg_2J8 shows it arriving at YMX for the last time (20 June 2016).


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I saw this plane at TPA's south Airborne hangar around two years ago. If it has been at SWF that long, it must have flown to NY right after its stay in Tampa.


Its last flight was on 14 July 2019 from Newark to Stewart via a 50 min stop at Washington IAD. It was flown by TAG Aviation, who are the actual owners of the frame as far as I recall.
 
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I wonder as operators with RR 757s keep retiring them where the point is that they become too uneconomical. Do freighter 752s have RB211s? If I had one I’d never want to part with it, I can only imagine the takeoff performance of a 752 with minimal passengers and weekend getaway bags


Operators retire them because they use them a lot more and that's what makes them uneconomical. If you fly once a week, the Capex cost of replacement can surpass the Opex of an older aircraft; same reason why 1960s Cessnas are still around. If you fly 12 hours a day, the efficiency difference becomes apparent really quickly.

If I misunderstood and your point was an orphan fleet, then spares should be easily available due to the recently retired RB211s
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I saw this plane at TPA's south Airborne hangar around two years ago. If it has been at SWF that long, it must have flown to NY right after its stay in Tampa.


Its last flight was on 14 July 2019 from Newark to Stewart via a 50 min stop at Washington IAD. It was flown by TAG Aviation, who are the actual owners of the frame as far as I recall.

Plane is owned by a subsidiary of the Trump organization
 
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Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:21 am

He can always fly his other jet. It has a current registration. Owner listed as DT Endeavor LLC.

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According to simply flying, they are searching for an engine to get to an MRO in Louisiana for maintenance.

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He can always fly his other jet. It has a current registration. Owner listed as DT Endeavor LLC.



That one last flew on 1 Jan this year Palm Beach to Stewart, via a 30 mins stop at Westchester HPN. :)
 
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I wonder as operators with RR 757s keep retiring them where the point is that they become too uneconomical. Do freighter 752s have RB211s? If I had one I’d never want to part with it, I can only imagine the takeoff performance of a 752 with minimal passengers and weekend getaway bags


FedEx flys a mixture of Rolls Royce and Pratt powered 757s. UPS has no Rolls Royce powered 757s. Only Pratt powered 757s. American Airlines has Rolls Royce powered 757s which are all in storage or retired. Someone had to remove the one Rolls Royce engine from Trump's 757. It most likely is a leased engine and the lease holder has possession of if it due to money owed. When Trump's political problems are resolved there are other jurisdictions waiting to go after him and his businesses such as the State of New York and others. The 757 will most likely get reposed and make a one way trip to the desert, with a temporarily leased engine, awaiting it's fate or a new owner if that is an option. I doubt that the aircraft will ever fly again except as a VIP aircraft. It would be too costly to return to a passenger aircraft or convert it to a freighter due to its age even if it has low cycles and time on it. There is a very SMALL possibility the U S Air Force might take owenership of the aircraft for VIP use as it has several Rolls Royce powered 757s.
I just read yesterday that the U S Air Force is looking for a replacement aircraft to replace their "Air Force 2" aircraft and 757s they have as Boeing has NO suitable replacement in the works. They are considering reengining their 757s on a short basis. About 10 years. :old:
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I wonder as operators with RR 757s keep retiring them where the point is that they become too uneconomical. Do freighter 752s have RB211s? If I had one I’d never want to part with it, I can only imagine the takeoff performance of a 752 with minimal passengers and weekend getaway bags


FedEx flys a mixture of Rolls Royce and Pratt powered 757s. UPS has no Rolls Royce powered 757s. Only Pratt powered 757s. American Airlines has Rolls Royce powered 757s which are all in storage or retired. Someone had to remove the one Rolls Royce engine from Trump's 757. It most likely is a leased engine and the lease holder has possession of if it due to money owed. When Trump's political problems are resolved there are other jurisdictions waiting to go after him and his businesses such as the State of New York and others. The 757 will most likely get reposed and make a one way trip to the desert, with a temporarily leased engine, awaiting it's fate or a new owner if that is an option. I doubt that the aircraft will ever fly again except as a VIP aircraft. It would be too costly to return to a passenger aircraft or convert it to a freighter due to its age even if it has low cycles and time on it. There is a very SMALL possibility the U S Air Force might take owenership of the aircraft for VIP use as it has several Rolls Royce powered 757s.
I just read yesterday that the U S Air Force is looking for a replacement aircraft to replace their "Air Force 2" aircraft and 757s they have as Boeing has NO suitable replacement in the works. They are considering reengining their 757s on a short basis. About 10 years. :old:


The USAF C-32s (757-200) have PW engines.
 
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The only private planes that I can recall that have their operators name splashed across the fuselage. Donald Trump and Peter Nygard. Enough said


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NWAROOSTER wrote:
Speedy752 wrote:
I wonder as operators with RR 757s keep retiring them where the point is that they become too uneconomical. Do freighter 752s have RB211s? If I had one I’d never want to part with it, I can only imagine the takeoff performance of a 752 with minimal passengers and weekend getaway bags


FedEx flys a mixture of Rolls Royce and Pratt powered 757s. UPS has no Rolls Royce powered 757s. Only Pratt powered 757s. American Airlines has Rolls Royce powered 757s which are all in storage or retired. Someone had to remove the one Rolls Royce engine from Trump's 757. It most likely is a leased engine and the lease holder has possession of if it due to money owed. When Trump's political problems are resolved there are other jurisdictions waiting to go after him and his businesses such as the State of New York and others. The 757 will most likely get reposed and make a one way trip to the desert, with a temporarily leased engine, awaiting it's fate or a new owner if that is an option. I doubt that the aircraft will ever fly again except as a VIP aircraft. It would be too costly to return to a passenger aircraft or convert it to a freighter due to its age even if it has low cycles and time on it. There is a very SMALL possibility the U S Air Force might take owenership of the aircraft for VIP use as it has several Rolls Royce powered 757s.
I just read yesterday that the U S Air Force is looking for a replacement aircraft to replace their "Air Force 2" aircraft and 757s they have as Boeing has NO suitable replacement in the works. They are considering reengining their 757s on a short basis. About 10 years. :old:


The USAF C-32s (757-200) have PW engines.


Only the A models. The Bs that fly a ton of strange State Dept missions are RR.
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But with a registry expiration coming soon, we'll find out what the plan is for this one.


Not necessarily. Trump's people have previously ignored a registration expiration and continued to fly on an expired registration. This happened with his N725DT Citation X back in 2016:

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/nyre ... -news&_r=0

https://apnews.com/article/f9899e672d86 ... 68c60cfeb8
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Fri Feb 12, 2021 10:59 pm

NWAROOSTER wrote:
UPS has no Rolls Royce powered 757s. Only Pratt powered 757s.


....Except for the last 40 (of 75).
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:54 pm

JohanTally wrote:
reltney wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
The plane is 30 years old and is probably unlikely to return to service. Let's avoid political rhetoric


Agree. However 30 years is nothing if you know anything about airliners and especially if they are privately operated. It more than likely has another 30 years left at the rate it is flown. FYI, the Vc-25s are 34 years old. FYI for the non pilots, VC-25 is the biggest presidential plane. All air force planes can be Air Force 1 if the current president is on it, otherwise it’s just a VC-25. When the president is on the C-37, it is Air Force 1.

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I'm quite aware of the ability for aircraft with relatively low utilization to be kept airworthy well beyond the life of commercial aircraft. This aircraft in particular is 30 years old and likely needs a fair amount of capital to be brought up to spec. It may be cost prohibitive with the massive influx of much newer aircraft being parked and offered for sale/lease. I hate seeing 757s being retired but this one could see that fate but hopefully not.

Did this aircraft receive the ADS-B update already? That could be another cost that would influence a decision.


I did not mean to sound like I am talking down to you about low utilized aircraft. I never comes out quite right on the net... keeping the plane up to spec is a term I am not sure of. I am a B757/767 pilot and a maintenance inspector for my maintenance shop and not sure what you mean by “up to spec”. I will assume you mean keep a plane current maintenance wise? Usually not an issue, some items are age related and some are flight time related. Progressive maintenance on jets is an annual program. If the plane is parked for over a year, you just have a longer of items to check when you bring the plane back to service. Since the 757 is still in service, Boeing has a maintenance program you would use. If it was cost prohibitive, the airlines would just scrap the. Instead of parking them. Sometimes they do. Bringing a parked 757 back to life would range from 100k to 250k with no major issues including the engine change....not engine cost...that’s different.. My airline says it takes about 50k to get a year old stored airliner back in the air if it was run periodically on the ground. For a person worth 3billion, it’s gum change to get the 757 up to speed and a heck of a lot cheaper than a new jet. Costs of A,B,C and D checks are pretty strait forward and are time in service related.

ADS-B for some jets we have done are 25k-50k The lowest was 1500 for my PA-30. Keeping it current in RVSM airspace is another expense but I bet it is up to speed before he took office.


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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Sat Feb 13, 2021 2:37 am

reltney wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
reltney wrote:

Agree. However 30 years is nothing if you know anything about airliners and especially if they are privately operated. It more than likely has another 30 years left at the rate it is flown. FYI, the Vc-25s are 34 years old. FYI for the non pilots, VC-25 is the biggest presidential plane. All air force planes can be Air Force 1 if the current president is on it, otherwise it’s just a VC-25. When the president is on the C-37, it is Air Force 1.

Cheers


I'm quite aware of the ability for aircraft with relatively low utilization to be kept airworthy well beyond the life of commercial aircraft. This aircraft in particular is 30 years old and likely needs a fair amount of capital to be brought up to spec. It may be cost prohibitive with the massive influx of much newer aircraft being parked and offered for sale/lease. I hate seeing 757s being retired but this one could see that fate but hopefully not.

Did this aircraft receive the ADS-B update already? That could be another cost that would influence a decision.


I did not mean to sound like I am talking down to you about low utilized aircraft. I never comes out quite right on the net... keeping the plane up to spec is a term I am not sure of. I am a B757/767 pilot and a maintenance inspector for my maintenance shop and not sure what you mean by “up to spec”. I will assume you mean keep a plane current maintenance wise? Usually not an issue, some items are age related and some are flight time related. Progressive maintenance on jets is an annual program. If the plane is parked for over a year, you just have a longer of items to check when you bring the plane back to service. Since the 757 is still in service, Boeing has a maintenance program you would use. If it was cost prohibitive, the airlines would just scrap the. Instead of parking them. Sometimes they do. Bringing a parked 757 back to life would range from 100k to 250k with no major issues including the engine change....not engine cost...that’s different.. My airline says it takes about 50k to get a year old stored airliner back in the air if it was run periodically on the ground. For a person worth 3billion, it’s gum change to get the 757 up to speed and a heck of a lot cheaper than a new jet. Costs of A,B,C and D checks are pretty strait forward and are time in service related.

ADS-B for some jets we have done are 25k-50k The lowest was 1500 for my PA-30. Keeping it current in RVSM airspace is another expense but I bet it is up to speed before he took office.


Cheers!


By spec I was referring to airworthiness specifications sorry for the confusion. The costs that you reference would those be the same for a single frame that wouldn't have the scale of airlines with a large maintenance team and spares inventory? From what I've seen here it hasn't flown in two years and needs an engine which obviously is manageable but we don't even know why it hasn't moved since 2019. I also wouldn't think SWF would be a great location for long-term storage but hopefully this bird is brought back into service.
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Sat Feb 13, 2021 5:46 pm

Spacepope wrote:
arcticcruiser wrote:
NWAROOSTER wrote:

FedEx flys a mixture of Rolls Royce and Pratt powered 757s. UPS has no Rolls Royce powered 757s. Only Pratt powered 757s. American Airlines has Rolls Royce powered 757s which are all in storage or retired. Someone had to remove the one Rolls Royce engine from Trump's 757. It most likely is a leased engine and the lease holder has possession of if it due to money owed. When Trump's political problems are resolved there are other jurisdictions waiting to go after him and his businesses such as the State of New York and others. The 757 will most likely get reposed and make a one way trip to the desert, with a temporarily leased engine, awaiting it's fate or a new owner if that is an option. I doubt that the aircraft will ever fly again except as a VIP aircraft. It would be too costly to return to a passenger aircraft or convert it to a freighter due to its age even if it has low cycles and time on it. There is a very SMALL possibility the U S Air Force might take owenership of the aircraft for VIP use as it has several Rolls Royce powered 757s.
I just read yesterday that the U S Air Force is looking for a replacement aircraft to replace their "Air Force 2" aircraft and 757s they have as Boeing has NO suitable replacement in the works. They are considering reengining their 757s on a short basis. About 10 years. :old:


The USAF C-32s (757-200) have PW engines.


Only the A models. The Bs that fly a ton of strange State Dept missions are RR.


Not that I like to see 75s replaced but is there something they need for either plane that a MAX8 with a few extra tanks couldn’t provide?
 
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Speedy752 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
arcticcruiser wrote:

The USAF C-32s (757-200) have PW engines.


Only the A models. The Bs that fly a ton of strange State Dept missions are RR.


Not that I like to see 75s replaced but is there something they need for either plane that a MAX8 with a few extra tanks couldn’t provide?


The C-32B has some pretty interesting specifics for some pretty interesting missions. They're the only 757s that have in flight refueling capabilities which is presumably needed for certain things. Not to say a Max couldn't be modified for that though...
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Re: Trump's Parked 757 N757AF

Sat Feb 13, 2021 6:59 pm

Speedy752 wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
arcticcruiser wrote:

The USAF C-32s (757-200) have PW engines.


Only the A models. The Bs that fly a ton of strange State Dept missions are RR.


Not that I like to see 75s replaced but is there something they need for either plane that a MAX8 with a few extra tanks couldn’t provide?


The 737-8 BBJ has a still air range of over 6,300nm, which is substantially longer than the C-32's max range of over 5,600nm, so it might be a candidate.

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