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tphuang wrote:Pretty sure about the following for JetBlue
A321NEO - Originally scheduled to take 11 in 2020, ended up taking 7. 2021 drops from 11 to 6. 2022 drops from 8 to 0.
A321CEO - Originally scheduled 4 on loan for 2020, ended up returning them all
A321LR - 2021 drops from 6 to 3. 2022 drops from 7 to 3
A220 - 2021 delivery increased for 6 to 7. 2022 delivery increased for 8 to 9.
Their fleet grew from 259 to 267 over 2020 and is planning to get to 282 by end of 2021. So no planned retirement.
tphuang wrote:Pretty sure about the following for JetBlue
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A220 - 2021 delivery increased for 6 to 7. 2022 delivery increased for 8 to 9.
MIflyer12 wrote:DL leads off the season...
changes from 12/31/19 to 12/31/20:
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321ceo, deliveries were to have been completed in 2020, now 22 are due this year
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A350, 2 for 2021 drop to zero, zero for 2022 becomes 2, what had been 10 for later than 2022 is now 18
Sokes wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:DL leads off the season...
changes from 12/31/19 to 12/31/20:
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321ceo, deliveries were to have been completed in 2020, now 22 are due this year
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A350, 2 for 2021 drop to zero, zero for 2022 becomes 2, what had been 10 for later than 2022 is now 18
Airbus cuts production on the neo and continues to deliver ceos? A321 on top of that!
Good news for the A350.
MIflyer12 wrote:A350, 2 for 2021 drop to zero, zero for 2022 becomes 2, what had been 10 for later than 2022 is now 18
canmau wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:A350, 2 for 2021 drop to zero, zero for 2022 becomes 2, what had been 10 for later than 2022 is now 18
I'm slightly confused by this, does this mean that Delta ordered 8 new A350s?
MIflyer12 wrote:DL's takeover of ten LATAM A350 orders with Airbus was announced as part of the equity purchase. It took a while (months?) for the ten aircraft to show up in DL orders. That purchase obligation has been showing up in financial notes for some time now.
Polot wrote:As you say though DL acknowledges them in financial reports, but has not made a big PR splash about them for obvious reasons.
MIflyer12 wrote:Polot wrote:As you say though DL acknowledges them in financial reports, but has not made a big PR splash about them for obvious reasons.
I appreciate your comments but I'm not sure what you mean by that. It's not as if DL can argue that $2 Billion in aircraft purchase commitments are immaterial, to be paid by SkyMiles elite drink vouchers that are sitting around.
The 10 + 4 purchase commitments were listed in the original PR Newswire release dated 9/26/2019, that announced the plan for the equity buy and numerous ancillary spending commitments.
https://www.cnn.com/business/newsfeeds/ ... 86230.html
The ten appear in the annual report's table of purchase commitments as of 12/31/2020, the reference for year-over-year changes in my original post.
There are five references to the agreement to take over ten in the annual report, plus numerous links to DL/Airbus purchase documents for same.
I'm kind of interested in how they are priced: DL prices comparable to DL's first A350 order, or LATAM prices, and the gap between those two. Unless there's a WTO case we probably won't have that disclosed publicly.
lightsaber wrote:tphuang wrote:Pretty sure about the following for JetBlue
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A220 - 2021 delivery increased for 6 to 7. 2022 delivery increased for 8 to 9.
In a sea of differals, that is a nice change. Yes, small, but an increase. I will be very interested to see what other increases occur.
Lightsaber
MIflyer12 wrote:AA released its 10-K dated 2/17/21.
Total purchase commitments - out to '2026 and thereafter' - declined by 46 frames although 69 frames, including E75 and CR9, had been scheduled for 2020. That's got to be a net total of deliveries and cancellations.
Change in purchase commitments by type by year from 12/31/19 to 12/31/20:
A320Neo family
'21 (1)
'22 +1
'23 (3)
'24 unchanged
'25 and beyond +7
MAX
'21 (5)
'22 unchanged
'23 +7
'24 unchanged
'25 and beyond unchanged
787
'21 +9
'22 unchanged
'23 unchanged
'24 unchanged
'25 and beyond unchanged
These type aggregations are AA's, not mine. AA isn't specifying the mix within MAX, Neo, or 787.
Although changes by year seem fairly small (especially compared to DL's hacking), a lot of spending has been pulled from 2021 and 2022. 'Aircraft and engine purchase commitments' in 2025 are 6x 2021 levels,
MIflyer12 wrote:I'm kind of interested in how they are priced: DL prices comparable to DL's first A350 order, or LATAM prices, and the gap between those two. Unless there's a WTO case we probably won't have that disclosed publicly.
LAX772LR wrote:IINM, UA's A350s have been deferred to 2027 (and if DL's similar action on its 788s is predictive, means they likely won't be taken).... but that aside, what variant are they?
They've shunted back and forth between A359 and A35K, but no idea where it sits now. Anyone?
MIflyer12 wrote:Alaska Air Group published its 10-K today. ALK likes paragraphs instead of charts of purchase commitments.
ALK holds cancellable commitments for thirty A320neo for delivery 2024-2026 and 'at this time, we do not expect to take delivery.' In the prior annual report they stated 'We could incur a loss of pre-delivery payments and credits as a cancellation fee,' so one has to wonder how they played a get-out-of-jail card with Airbus, although they previously listed those for 2023-2025 delivery.
majano wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:Alaska Air Group published its 10-K today. ALK likes paragraphs instead of charts of purchase commitments.
ALK holds cancellable commitments for thirty A320neo for delivery 2024-2026 and 'at this time, we do not expect to take delivery.' In the prior annual report they stated 'We could incur a loss of pre-delivery payments and credits as a cancellation fee,' so one has to wonder how they played a get-out-of-jail card with Airbus, although they previously listed those for 2023-2025 delivery.
Leehamnews.com states in the article below that Alaska believes that the deposit of USD15M is not recoverable. There seems to be no get-out-of-jail card on this one. https://leehamnews.com/2021/03/01/hotr- ... h-737-max/
Polot wrote:majano wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:Alaska Air Group published its 10-K today. ALK likes paragraphs instead of charts of purchase commitments.
ALK holds cancellable commitments for thirty A320neo for delivery 2024-2026 and 'at this time, we do not expect to take delivery.' In the prior annual report they stated 'We could incur a loss of pre-delivery payments and credits as a cancellation fee,' so one has to wonder how they played a get-out-of-jail card with Airbus, although they previously listed those for 2023-2025 delivery.
Leehamnews.com states in the article below that Alaska believes that the deposit of USD15M is not recoverable. There seems to be no get-out-of-jail card on this one. https://leehamnews.com/2021/03/01/hotr- ... h-737-max/
The fact that it was VX that spent that $15 million and not AS makes it an easier pill to swallow though. AS is just not going to get money back that somebody else paid.