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wjcandee
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:02 am

My favorite photo is this one from the Wall Street Journal: https://images.wsj.net/im-302062?width=1260&size=1.5
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:03 am

SuperGee wrote:
They were fortunate that it happened when and where it did and not over the pacific halfway to HNL.


I would argue the opposite. The most risky point for the passengers (the initial explosion) had already passed. It would have been better to have happened in the middle of the ocean. The probability of debris hitting someone on the ground is far higher than the enormous statistical improbability of the second engine failing in the three hours to HNL (or back to the mainland).

What is lucky is that no one was hit by debris.
 
Italianflyer
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:06 am

Given this incident and yesterday's MSY incident does UA have a C check issue?
 
303dk
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:10 am

303dk wrote:
Looks like N773UA is going to fly DEN-HNL tonight

Update: flight cancelled
 
Spetsnaz55
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:13 am

303dk wrote:
303dk wrote:
Looks like N773UA is going to fly DEN-HNL tonight

Update: flight cancelled


To probably check the fan blades on those engines
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:13 am

wjcandee wrote:
My favorite photo is this one from the Wall Street Journal: https://images.wsj.net/im-302062?width=1260&size=1.5

That’s just how an AVGEEK proposes marriage.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:14 am

acavpics wrote:
Does it look like another Southwest 1380-style accident?
If so, then they are lucky as it could have resulted in injuries and even fatalities


WN1380 was an absolute freak accident - there have been a number of fan blade incidents before and since, and none have ever led to the exact separation needed of parts/debris to take out a single window.

That said - this certainly does appear to be a fan blade failure. And not the first for PW on these engines... me thinks suggested inspections are coming
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CALTECH
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:15 am

Bird Strike......
Blood all over the engine Acft #2372......
 
wjcandee
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:16 am

ikramerica wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
My favorite photo is this one from the Wall Street Journal: https://images.wsj.net/im-302062?width=1260&size=1.5

That’s just how an AVGEEK proposes marriage.


Ha! Took me a second. That's very funny.
 
wjcandee
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:18 am

CALTECH wrote:
Bird Strike......
Blood all over the engine Acft #2372......


Sounds more like it. I love how folks here jump in with "Are inspections coming?" and "Those dang PW engines!". Give me a break.

PM sounded pretty freaked-out in initial communications, but calmed down as it went on. Sounds like a bunkie (or jumpseater) handled the radio briefly.
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WayexTDI
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:26 am

Italianflyer wrote:
Given this incident and yesterday's MSY incident does UA have a C check issue?

2 engine issues out of 1,600+ engines; and you conclude they have a C check issue???
$h!t happens; sometimes weeks or months apart, sometimes a few hours apart.
 
wjcandee
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:26 am

WayexTDI wrote:
Italianflyer wrote:
Given this incident and yesterday's MSY incident does UA have a C check issue?

2 engine issues out of 1,600+ engines; and you conclude they have a C check issue???
$h!t happens; sometimes weeks or months apart, sometimes a few hours apart.


Of course they don't have a "c-check issue". It's just noise. Don't let it stress you.
 
OldB747Driver
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:29 am

Just from a quick gander, reasonable possibility of cowling/de-ice overpressure precipitating catastrophic engine failure?

The kevlar shroud that surrounds the first stage fan blades (as well as the blades themselves AND they're still rotating in the video) seems to imply the failure was external to the compression/ combustion cycle even though the hot section seems to be burning, most likely from the interrupted cooling flow in the normal combustion process. Also the front end of the cowl appears to have separated in its entirety, not shredded as the result of internal failure.
 
sealevel
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:30 am

Excellent job by the crew, spot on
 
kiowa
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:31 am

jayunited wrote:
This is a very early extremely preliminary report.

N772UA was operating as UA328 DEN-HNL number 2 engine failed (will have to wait for a final report to know exactly what happen), Captain did declare an emergency flight landed 31,000 LBS over weight, engine cowling is completely missing, fire department met the aircraft on the runway and sprayed the engine down to prevent a fire. There was no evacuation onto the airfield, air stairs and buses were brought out to meet the aircraft all passengers have been bussed back or are in the process of being busses back to the terminal.

The plan is to get the bags off N772UA bring in a new aircraft (I don't have the aircraft tail number yet) and new crew and relaunch later this afternoon or evening to HNL.


Outstanding job by the pilots and crew!
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:38 am

303dk wrote:
303dk wrote:
Looks like N773UA is going to fly DEN-HNL tonight

Update: flight cancelled


New flight number, 3025.
 
Adipocere
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:39 am

Would the homeowner who (most likely) lost his truck be automatically covered by United’s insurance or is he SOL with his own insurance? Wonder what the policies around these situations are.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:44 am

 
Adipocere
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:49 am

Video of homeowners likely totaled truck

https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comment ... oded_over/
 
iAvgeek737
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:50 am

Just watched some dude go off in the YouTube comment section about how this is Boeing and their plant in South Carolina's fault. Gotta love it
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:56 am

Adipocere wrote:
Video of homeowners likely totaled truck

https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comment ... oded_over/


I hate it when people record portrait mode video.
 
EFBfan
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 12:57 am

With the evidence available so far, a question comes to my mind : will that prove to be an engine mechanical failure leading to loss of major cowling parts, or cowling becoming unlatched for whatever reason (happened many times on 73x and 32x, would be the first occurence on 777 AFAIK), leading to an engine failure via e.g. ingestion of parts, major disruption of engine airflow,...

At this time, I put 2 cents on the later
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:06 am

Thankfully everyone on the plane and on the ground is safe, but have to go ahead and call the truck a write-off. Looks to be a late 90's-early 2000's build Ram, so equivalent of a 737 Classic. Think her next stop is soup cans. :D

Adipocere wrote:
Video of homeowners likely totaled truck

https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comment ... oded_over/
 
32andBelow
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:09 am

rising wrote:
Don’t they do a detailed Etops check for this route ? I know it can’t catch everything but you’d think anything major would get caught. Must have been just a freak thing. Will be interesting to see.

It’s not going to catch microscopic cracks in a fan blade that you can only see with an X-ray.
 
Spetsnaz55
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:19 am

PA727 wrote:
Thankfully everyone on the plane and on the ground is safe, but have to go ahead and call the truck a write-off. Looks to be a late 90's-early 2000's build Ram, so equivalent of a 737 Classic. Think her next stop is soup cans. :D

Adipocere wrote:
Video of homeowners likely totaled truck

https://www.reddit.com/r/Denver/comment ... oded_over/



2003 or 2004 and up in the US for the ram
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:20 am

SuperGee wrote:
They were fortunate that it happened when and where it did and not over the pacific halfway to HNL.

More than likely the flight path would have had this happen would have taken it back to LAX, SFO or if further inland LAS or SLC.
 
randomdude83
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:21 am

I feel like UA’s PW 772 need to be retired at this point. It seems that they go tech all the time lately too.

Also these older PW4070 seem to not be reliable as they age. Let’s not forget the JAL engine failure that happened recently as well.

I’m happy to be proven wrong on this.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:24 am

If a piece of an airplane engine falls from the sky and lands in your backyard, are you allowed to keep it?
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:26 am

OldB747Driver wrote:
Just from a quick gander, reasonable possibility of cowling/de-ice overpressure precipitating catastrophic engine failure?

The kevlar shroud that surrounds the first stage fan blades (as well as the blades themselves AND they're still rotating in the video) seems to imply the failure was external to the compression/ combustion cycle even though the hot section seems to be burning, most likely from the interrupted cooling flow in the normal combustion process. Also the front end of the cowl appears to have separated in its entirety, not shredded as the result of internal failure.


One thing about being on this site for a long time is you tend to know who really knows their stuff, and in this case CALTECH really has good insider info. If he says bird strike, I would believe him.

Likely scenario is bird causes fan blade to detach, causing this whole wobbly cascade of nacelle disintegration and possibly also downstream ingestion of meat and other engine parts.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:33 am

randomdude83 wrote:
I feel like UA’s PW 772 need to be retired at this point. It seems that they go tech all the time lately too.

Also these older PW4070 seem to not be reliable as they age. Let’s not forget the JAL engine failure that happened recently as well.

I’m happy to be proven wrong on this.


Can you share the latest reliability data for the PW 772 fleet that justifies your point? and compare it to other fleets?
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:45 am

SuperGee wrote:
They were fortunate that it happened when and where it did and not over the pacific halfway to HNL.

If it had happened over the Pacific halfway to Honolulu they would have been just fine. A whole lot lighter and still with one good engine. That's why it's ETOPS certified!
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:47 am

look rather bad in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6wgXNSwCDA
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:47 am

wjcandee wrote:
My favorite photo is this one from the Wall Street Journal: https://images.wsj.net/im-302062?width=1260&size=1.5


Another angle, that bounced off the homeowner's pick-up's roof! Wow.
 
787SIN
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:50 am

Adipocere wrote:
Would the homeowner who (most likely) lost his truck be automatically covered by United’s insurance or is he SOL with his own insurance? Wonder what the policies around these situations are.


United will have Liability coverage, so the owners could lodge a direct claim for property damage if they know how, sure some lawyers are already be trying to help them out.

The alternative would be for them to claim on their own insurance and allow their insurers to recover the claim from united’s insurers.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:56 am

How much vibration are the fuse pins designed to take, before they let go?
 
StarAC17
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 1:59 am

SuperGee wrote:
They were fortunate that it happened when and where it did and not over the pacific halfway to HNL.


If there was no damage to the flight control surfaces or the fuselage. I would assume that the plane has the appropriate ETOPS rating and should still be able to divert.

The wing looks very intact.

The fire would be the biggest concern but if you can cut fuel to the engine you should be able to get there or back to LAX or SFO as JET A1 can't be ignited easily unless dispersed into droplets.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:00 am

Newark727 wrote:
If a piece of an airplane engine falls from the sky and lands in your backyard, are you allowed to keep it?


I hope so!
 
aeromoe
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:00 am

N965UW wrote:
Commentary on Fox News a little while ago: the engine failure happened at "13,000 miles above the ground." United 328 Heavy, cleared for translunar injection :lol:

In all seriousness, glad everyone's safe and a big round of applause to the crew. The engine staying on wing while jumping around like that is a testament to how well-built the aircraft is.


The story I first click on in AOL said the plane was almost to cruise. :roll: Yeah right if it dropped debris on Broomfield during ascent it was nowhere near cruise. I had to check FR24 to see the flight entire flight path and altitude. I second your second line...job well done and everyone is safe.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:21 am

ethernal wrote:
SuperGee wrote:
They were fortunate that it happened when and where it did and not over the pacific halfway to HNL.


I would argue the opposite. The most risky point for the passengers (the initial explosion) had already passed. It would have been better to have happened in the middle of the ocean. The probability of debris hitting someone on the ground is far higher than the enormous statistical improbability of the second engine failing in the three hours to HNL (or back to the mainland).

What is lucky is that no one was hit by debris.


You clearly haven't spent much time approaching ETP and hoping something like this doesn't happen. No, the middle of the Pacific is the last place you would want this to happen - certification notwithstanding - it would be a very tense situation.
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Antarius
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:22 am

ordbosewr wrote:
randomdude83 wrote:
I feel like UA’s PW 772 need to be retired at this point. It seems that they go tech all the time lately too.

Also these older PW4070 seem to not be reliable as they age. Let’s not forget the JAL engine failure that happened recently as well.

I’m happy to be proven wrong on this.


Can you share the latest reliability data for the PW 772 fleet that justifies your point? and compare it to other fleets?


Exactly. Given the abundance of available aircraft due to COVID, I doubt UA would be flying horribly unreliable ones.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:24 am

barney captain wrote:
ethernal wrote:
SuperGee wrote:
They were fortunate that it happened when and where it did and not over the pacific halfway to HNL.


I would argue the opposite. The most risky point for the passengers (the initial explosion) had already passed. It would have been better to have happened in the middle of the ocean. The probability of debris hitting someone on the ground is far higher than the enormous statistical improbability of the second engine failing in the three hours to HNL (or back to the mainland).

What is lucky is that no one was hit by debris.


You clearly haven't spent much time approaching ETP and hoping something like this doesn't happen. No, the middle of the Pacific is the last place you would want this to happen - certification of otherwise.


Not to mention that the vast majority of the Mountain West is uninhabited so the poster's comment only applies to the spare few minutes in flight spent over populated areas near DEN. Better to have airfields to land at, statistically speaking.
 
OldB747Driver
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:24 am

CALTECH wrote:
Bird Strike......
Blood all over the engine Acft #2372......

Spacepope wrote:
One thing about being on this site for a long time is you tend to know who really knows their stuff, and in this case CALTECH really has good insider info. If he says bird strike, I would believe him.

Likely scenario is bird causes fan blade to detach, causing this whole wobbly cascade of nacelle disintegration and possibly also downstream ingestion of meat and other engine parts.

Well in this industry there's nothing better than inside information if @CALTECH's information is based upon that.

I've had the "pleasure" of ingesting a ~3 ft tall bird/vulture (I'll let the reader estimate its weight) at takeoff thrust which put fist-sized gouges in three consecutive blades but it didn't cause the cowl to separate or a flame out, although it did not go through the core. Hell of a compressor stall though.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:27 am

Adipocere wrote:
Would the homeowner who (most likely) lost his truck be automatically covered by United’s insurance or is he SOL with his own insurance? Wonder what the policies around these situations are.



My understanding is that you generally file with your primary insurance carrier, they pay, and subrogate
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:31 am

Would this be an NTSB or FAA investigation?
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:35 am

gwrudolph wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
Would the homeowner who (most likely) lost his truck be automatically covered by United’s insurance or is he SOL with his own insurance? Wonder what the policies around these situations are.



My understanding is that you generally file with your primary insurance carrier, they pay, and subrogate


Given the news coverage of this particular house, UA Public Relations will likely reach out to the individual as well and give them the 411 on how best to get his truck replaced and may choose to forego the insurance runaround. It's been a while since I've worked with our insurance teams but I seem to recall that although flight operations hull loss and human liability can't be self-insured, damage to property on the ground can be.
 
gwrudolph
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:35 am

TropicalSky wrote:
look rather bad in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6wgXNSwCDA


Is the engine still powering or just windmilling in this video. It looks like it is still powering?
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:36 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
Would this be an NTSB or FAA investigation?


NTSB with FAA assistance.

Probably goes without saying to folks around here, but if you value your sanity, stay away from anything about this on social media...
 
gwrudolph
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:37 am

alasizon wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
Would the homeowner who (most likely) lost his truck be automatically covered by United’s insurance or is he SOL with his own insurance? Wonder what the policies around these situations are.



My understanding is that you generally file with your primary insurance carrier, they pay, and subrogate


Given the news coverage of this particular house, UA Public Relations will likely reach out to the individual as well and give them the 411 on how best to get his truck replaced and may choose to forego the insurance runaround. It's been a while since I've worked with our insurance teams but I seem to recall that although flight operations hull loss and human liability can't be self-insured, damage to property on the ground can be.



Fair enough. Being proactive given the publicity is likely the approach that will be taken . . .
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:47 am

INFINITI329 wrote:
Would this be an NTSB or FAA investigation?


NTSB.

I don't think the FAA directly investigates accidents or incidents primarily. The NTSB can enroll the FAA to investigate UA if any negligence is suspected.
 
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Re: UA328 engine explosion at DEN

Sun Feb 21, 2021 2:52 am

gwrudolph wrote:
TropicalSky wrote:
look rather bad in this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6wgXNSwCDA


Is the engine still powering or just windmilling in this video. It looks like it is still powering?


It looks like it's windmilling and I sure hope that it is.

It's anecdotal, but you can see the fanblades as they spin.
On a normal approach there is still enough thrust being applied to not see the fanblades clearly. At least that is what I have observed.
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