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gunsontheroof wrote:Does anyone know if this bird was delivered to LH by Boeing from PAE? I believe AY's final frame(s) were post-Boeing/MD merger.
Still love seeing the 11 from my deck. FX (and sometimes, 5X) still send them my way often enough, but they're sadly a species in decline these days.
Boeing757100 wrote:And for anyone who cares, the last MD-11 built, D-ALCN, is now re-registered as N262UP for UPS.
gunsontheroof wrote:Does anyone know if this bird was delivered to LH by Boeing from PAE? I believe AY's final frame(s) were post-Boeing/MD merger.
Still love seeing the 11 from my deck. FX (and sometimes, 5X) still send them my way often enough, but they're sadly a species in decline these days.
TheSonntag wrote:Corona helped the extension of the MD-11 life. Apart from that, a rather questionable design which found a niche, but which certainly fell far behind the A340 and especially the B777.
Boeing757100 wrote:TheSonntag wrote:Corona helped the extension of the MD-11 life. Apart from that, a rather questionable design which found a niche, but which certainly fell far behind the A340 and especially the B777.
I wouldn't call the design questionable, rather neglected or malnourished. Since McDD was already running out of cash to innovate, they basically retained most of the DC-10 features and just improved avionics, added scimitar winglets, and lengthened the fuselage, which hindered its success. In addition to the whole small tailplane thing, the plane sadly became a starving disaster. Such a shame for such an otherwise beautiful plane.
TheSonntag wrote:Corona helped the extension of the MD-11 life. Apart from that, a rather questionable design which found a niche, but which certainly fell far behind the A340 and especially the B777.
ContinentalEWR wrote:The MD11 worked out well as a cargo hauler. As a passenger plane, it was stymied by a few factors. The MD11 arrived just a few short years before the twin engine A330 and B777 rolled out. Cockpit commonality was becoming a thing and the MD11 fell short (far short) of the range capabilities McDonnell Douglas touted in developing it. Boeing's acquisition of MDC was the final nail in the coffin. The MD11 had a beautiful silhouette, but it was essentially a DC10 with wingtips, a slightly longer fuselage, tapered tail, and larger tail engine. The cost of overhauling its wings and other capabilities to extend the range and load weren't worth it by the time the program was shuttered.
flyingclrs727 wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:TheSonntag wrote:Corona helped the extension of the MD-11 life. Apart from that, a rather questionable design which found a niche, but which certainly fell far behind the A340 and especially the B777.
I wouldn't call the design questionable, rather neglected or malnourished. Since McDD was already running out of cash to innovate, they basically retained most of the DC-10 features and just improved avionics, added scimitar winglets, and lengthened the fuselage, which hindered its success. In addition to the whole small tailplane thing, the plane sadly became a starving disaster. Such a shame for such an otherwise beautiful plane.
They should have collaborated with Airbus and used the A330 wing on the MD-11.
TheSonntag wrote:Corona helped the extension of the MD-11 life. Apart from that, a rather questionable design which found a niche, but which certainly fell far behind the A340 and especially the B777.
Boeing757100 wrote:flyingclrs727 wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:
I wouldn't call the design questionable, rather neglected or malnourished. Since McDD was already running out of cash to innovate, they basically retained most of the DC-10 features and just improved avionics, added scimitar winglets, and lengthened the fuselage, which hindered its success. In addition to the whole small tailplane thing, the plane sadly became a starving disaster. Such a shame for such an otherwise beautiful plane.
They should have collaborated with Airbus and used the A330 wing on the MD-11.
Why would they have collabed with Airbus?
Boeing757100 wrote:TheSonntag wrote:Corona helped the extension of the MD-11 life. Apart from that, a rather questionable design which found a niche, but which certainly fell far behind the A340 and especially the B777.
I wouldn't call the design questionable, rather neglected or malnourished. Since McDD was already running out of cash to innovate, they basically retained most of the DC-10 features and just improved avionics, added scimitar winglets, and lengthened the fuselage, which hindered its success. In addition to the whole small tailplane thing, the plane sadly became a starving disaster. Such a shame for such an otherwise beautiful plane.
Boeing757100 wrote:gunsontheroof wrote:Does anyone know if this bird was delivered to LH by Boeing from PAE? I believe AY's final frame(s) were post-Boeing/MD merger.
Still love seeing the 11 from my deck. FX (and sometimes, 5X) still send them my way often enough, but they're sadly a species in decline these days.
I don't think so, 5X is still picking up a few secondhand examples and FX was still getting some till last year or something. And I'd expect there to be some other MD-11F operator (startup) because acquisition cost is so low. If anything, the fleet should be increasing slightly.
Boeing757100 wrote:flyingclrs727 wrote:Boeing757100 wrote:
I wouldn't call the design questionable, rather neglected or malnourished. Since McDD was already running out of cash to innovate, they basically retained most of the DC-10 features and just improved avionics, added scimitar winglets, and lengthened the fuselage, which hindered its success. In addition to the whole small tailplane thing, the plane sadly became a starving disaster. Such a shame for such an otherwise beautiful plane.
They should have collaborated with Airbus and used the A330 wing on the MD-11.
Why would they have collabed with Airbus?
flyingclrs727 wrote:
Airbus had a better wing, and the MD-11 had longer range. The DC-10 cross section was a better for larger capacity aircraft than the the A330/A340 fuselage. Imagine if instead of building the A340-600, Airbus and McDonnell Douglas had developed a plane based on the DC-10 cross section.
ELBOB wrote:
The original A300A cross-section was wider still at 6.4m, but Airbus lost their nerve and narrowed it because they didn't think there was enough demand to fill the wider body. A decision that hampered them until the A350.
Total Number Built: 200
Written Off: 10
vfw614 wrote:Total Number Built: 200
Written Off: 10
That sounds like a high percentage of write-offs. Were these all fully fledged-accidents or also "mishaps" (like ground collision, hangar fire)
744SPX wrote:MD-11 desperately needed the new 5200 sq ft wing they were were working on for the MD-XX version. Extremely high wing loading was the MD-11's biggest problem.