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TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:07 am

The NTSB said it will decommission the wreckage of TWA Flight 800 on July 7 -- 11 days before the 25th anniversary of the crash.

Interesting to note that, while not open to the public, family members of the victims were able to visit the reconstruction whenever they wanted.

On one hand, it seems a shame to destroy all the rebuilding work and the remnants, but I suppose it can't stay in a warehouse forever. It has served its purpose as a training tool and hopefully families have had enough time to grieve their losses.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/wreckage-twa-flight-800-destroyed-25-years-crash/story?id=76069411
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:28 am

I guess that, because TWA 800 was not a criminal act the way Pan Am 103 was, this is why they're disposing of the rebuilt section?
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:22 am

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
I guess that, because TWA 800 was not a criminal act the way Pan Am 103 was, this is why they're disposing of the rebuilt section?


According to the linked article, the main driver seems to be that the lease on the building is running out.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:27 am

What a shame.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:27 am

I'm surprised that they don't just keep it. PA103 is still stored in some yard after all these years.
 
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:41 am

Kind of odd/unusual that they're so averse to it becoming an educational display... particularly when so many places/instruments/vehicles involving famous deaths (e.g. Kennedy's limo; anything involving 9/11, the Holocaust, or various genocides, etc) are.
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:22 am

It won't be long before all conspiracy theorists out there, still believing this plane was shot down by a missile, will say the dismantling of the plane will be a cover-up... sigh. But I hope I am wrong.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:08 pm

I'm not sure what the issue is here. There have been thousands of serious aircraft crashes over time and I've never heard it suggested that wreckage should be permanently retained. The attachment of some sort of totemic status to any particular crash is a relatively recent phenomenon and, dare I say it, it seems to be more evident in the USA than the rest of the world.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 2:18 pm

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I'm surprised that they don't just keep it. PA103 is still stored in some yard after all these years.

Dumped in skips though?
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:55 pm

They're doing a full 3D imaging of the reconstructed plane and wreckage before dismantling everything. I suppose that will serve a purpose that can be more lasting than the physical remnants themselves. As for the theories on whether it was a missile or not, while that would not be a total shock if that was the case, personally, I am still inclined to believe the fuel tank spark as the most likely cause of this crash. The plane was 25 years old at the time of the accident (same age roughly as the UA 777-222A involved in Saturday's engine incident over Bloomfield, CO) but this was an early build 747 and it seems fuel tank and wiring may not have been fully fleshed out in 1996 as a potential contributor to a disaster. it seemed at the time a lot more became known as the investigation into TWA 800 proceeded.

Either way, it was an awful tragedy. So many lives lost. The real beginning of the end for TWA, and a frightening cause of accident and one that happened on a clear, summer night.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:30 pm

iRISH251 wrote:
I'm not sure what the issue is here. There have been thousands of serious aircraft crashes over time and I've never heard it suggested that wreckage should be permanently retained. The attachment of some sort of totemic status to any particular crash is a relatively recent phenomenon and, dare I say it, it seems to be more evident in the USA than the rest of the world.


It's not like the wreckage is piled up in a warehouse. It was carefully put back together - an extremely impressive feat.

IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:32 pm

PA103 was also carefully put back together and, nevertheless, they destroyed it again and it now rots away in some junkyard.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:53 pm

Antarius wrote:

IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.


How, or educational for whom?
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:03 pm

Vicenza wrote:
Antarius wrote:

IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.


How, or educational for whom?


For sick people with a strange morbid obsession of plane crashes.

Unless you work for an agency that investigates accidents, there is nothing to be seen. It has served its purpose and family members of victims are the only ones that should have a say in it not being destroyed.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:13 pm

Wacker1000 wrote:
Vicenza wrote:
Antarius wrote:

IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.


How, or educational for whom?


For sick people with a strange morbid obsession of plane crashes.

Unless you work for an agency that investigates accidents, there is nothing to be seen. It has served its purpose and family members of victims are the only ones that should have a say in it not being destroyed.


Agreed. I’d be curious to see it, but only on a very informational basis run by the NTSB. I’ve also spent years working 747s, so there’s some interest in the aircraft itself...but definitely not something anyone should just waltz right in to take a look at like a museum piece. Pack up the kids honey, we’re going to see the plane wreck! No thanks...

It’s served it’s purpose as an aircraft, evidence, and then a training tool. But times up
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:16 pm

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PA103 was also carefully put back together and, nevertheless, they destroyed it again and it now rots away in some junkyard.


Indeed, it is a shame that the AAIB dismantled the rebuilt section which at the time was the largest reconstruction of its type, until the FAA rebuilt a large part of the aforementioned TWA800.

The reason the wreckage is still extant is because it has been retained should there be any further legal/criminal investigation.

Also, a fair few parts were stolen from the scrapyard and sold to ghoulish collectors - from memory I think it was the scrapyards owners son and he got busted for it.

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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:27 pm

Wacker1000 wrote:
Vicenza wrote:
Antarius wrote:

IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.


How, or educational for whom?


For sick people with a strange morbid obsession of plane crashes.

Unless you work for an agency that investigates accidents, there is nothing to be seen. It has served its purpose and family members of victims are the only ones that should have a say in it not being destroyed.


Such deep insight. Clearly, it's a morbid obsession - only possible answer. :roll:
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:29 pm

Vicenza wrote:
Antarius wrote:

IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.


How, or educational for whom?


An exhibit on accident investigations perhaps? Showcasing how the NTSB goes through their process, the complexity, difficulty, time taken etc. TWA 800 is an interesting crash because we have a lot of wreckage and we have a likely cause, it isn't like UA232 or AF447 where we know what happened. So the wreckage can be used as a pretty cool exhibit, IMO.

I mean, there is a giant museum in Belfast about the Titanic - the ship whacked an iceberg. This was a significantly more complex and unique investigation.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:29 pm

would this not be of interest to an aerospace museum or something? i think highlighting the industries commitment to investigating accidents is something that has made the industry incredibly safe is something worthy of celebrating, in addition to having a memorial to those lost on TWA800.
 
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:32 pm

Wacker1000 wrote:
Vicenza wrote:
Antarius wrote:
IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.


How, or educational for whom?


For sick people with a strange morbid obsession of plane crashes.

Hmm, some inarguable analysis right there..... :roll:

Guess we should destroy all Holocaust, 9/11, genocide, colonial era, French Revolution, Egyptian mummy, HIV-AIDS, WWII, Vietnam, US Civil, and Korean war museums too... because, I mean, what could people possibly learn from any of that stuff involving death, according to this brilliant deduction. :boggled:
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:42 pm

stlgph wrote:


:rotfl:

"Give Flight 800 a second chance—we're confident you'll like what you see."
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:44 pm

Sully's A320 is now in a museum. And JAL has a museum to flight 123. https://www.traveller.com.au/fear-of-fl ... -miss-gojo
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:46 pm

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PA103 was also carefully put back together and, nevertheless, they destroyed it again and it now rots away in some junkyard.


Indeed, it is a shame that the AAIB dismantled the rebuilt section which at the time was the largest reconstruction of its type, until the FAA rebuilt a large part of the aforementioned TWA800.

The reason the wreckage is still extant is because it has been retained should there be any further legal/criminal investigation.

Also, a fair few parts were stolen from the scrapyard and sold to ghoulish collectors - from memory I think it was the scrapyards owners son and he got busted for it.

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The rebuilt forward fuselage was originally constructed at Longtown (cumbria) then dismantled and reconstructed at Farnbourgh, again dismantled a few years ago and shipped back to Scotland to a secret location.

The rest of it including the cut up cockpit has been at Wyndleys scrap yard since the clear up in Lincolnshire.
 
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:48 pm

Did they never find the nose portion of the aircraft? The reconstruction does not have it.

stlgph wrote:


To write that article so soon after the crash is pretty poor taste imo.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:50 pm

NYPECO wrote:
Did they never find the nose portion of the aircraft? The reconstruction does not have it.

stlgph wrote:


To write that article so soon after the crash is pretty poor taste imo.


I have seen a photo where it was recovered last, it was really only the cockpit windows and a bit of fuselage. It was laid out on the Calverton hangar floor.
 
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:51 pm

Time to let it go. Nothing more to learn from this 25 years later.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:58 pm

NYPECO wrote:
Did they never find the nose portion of the aircraft? The reconstruction does not have it.

stlgph wrote:


To write that article so soon after the crash is pretty poor taste imo.


It was 2 years later.

Also, the Onion is known for their biting sarcasm and parody news. They're equal opportunity offenders
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:42 pm

What about moving it, or parts of it, to the Smithsonian Air and Space Museum at Dulles Airport?
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:48 pm

I believe the Space Shuttle Columbia wreckage is still stored in crates at Kennedy Space Center for whatever reason. Challenger's wreckage I think was buried under concrete in an old missile silo. I don't really know any reason that the TWA-800 reconstruction would be needed for anything. The statute of limitations on civil suits expired long ago. As for criminal, if evidence hasn't been discovered by now it isn't going to be.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:06 pm

That's a shame. I kind of wish that this reconstruction was put on display at Udvar Hazy if possible to showcase the fine work of the NTSB. It's a shame that this will be decommissioned.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:29 pm

Per the linked article the NTSB made an agreement with the victims' families that the wreckage would never become an exhibit or public display.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:43 pm

if the Titanic was brought up everyone would be ALL over it....
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:54 pm

It would be interesting to hear the legal explanation of all of this. How can the government essentially steal property from TWA (which would now be AA)? There was no crime so
since the investigation is over shouldn't it have been returned to the owner of the airframe and engines to decide what to do with?
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:57 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
It would be interesting to hear the legal explanation of all of this. How can the government essentially steal property from TWA (which would now be AA)? There was no crime so
since the investigation is over shouldn't it have been returned to the owner of the airframe and engines to decide what to do with?


Actually, the legal owner would likely be the insurance company or who they sold it to. Regardless, the NTSB isn't "stealing" anything. There is a zero percent chance that an insurance company/AA/lessor want a pile of scrap metal, so the NTSB is going to have to dispose of it.
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TTailedTiger wrote:
It would be interesting to hear the legal explanation of all of this. How can the government essentially steal property from TWA (which would now be AA)? There was no crime so
since the investigation is over shouldn't it have been returned to the owner of the airframe and engines to decide what to do with?

TWA forfeited any right to the wreckage the moment they took that insurance check.
 
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It won't be long before all conspiracy theorists out there, still believing this plane was shot down by a missile, will say the dismantling of the plane will be a cover-up... sigh. But I hope I am wrong.


It's interesting to consider that this was one of the first major conspiracy theories since the murder on JFK in 1963. Now, 25 years later, conspiracy has become the new normal...
 
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LAX772LR wrote:
Wacker1000 wrote:
Vicenza wrote:

How, or educational for whom?


For sick people with a strange morbid obsession of plane crashes.

Hmm, some inarguable analysis right there..... :roll:

Guess we should destroy all Holocaust, 9/11, genocide, colonial era, French Revolution, Egyptian mummy, HIV-AIDS, WWII, Vietnam, US Civil, and Korean war museums too... because, I mean, what could people possibly learn from any of that stuff involving death, according to this brilliant deduction. :boggled:


Are you seriously putting this on the same scale as the Holocaust?

Nothing anyone in the general public learns from touring this in a museum would prevent a future accident. The industry has Title 14 Part 26, CDCCL, EWIS, and the resulting fuel tank inerting systems because of this accident. The people that needed to learn something did and if these programs and systems work as designed there will never be another accident due to a fuel tank exploding. Let that be your memorial or museum exhibit.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:46 pm

If the families do not want it displayed perhaps take it to a location on Long Island and bury it.
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:02 pm

Wow, the fact that so many of you have issues with the idea of this wreckage being displayed at a museum is odd. There are places where the wreckage of a plane was kept reconstructed as a memorial, as with the Alisarda DC-9 shot down in Italy decades ago which is displayed with mirrors where the occupants were. It's not a fetishization of plane crashes, it is reminding future generations of one of the worst aviation disasters in history and how far we've come as a society with such disasters being so rare in the last decade or so. Much like the aircraft parts on display at the 9/11 museum, we may never forget these incidents, but displays of such artifacts help sink in the human suffering and scale of such disasters for younger people who didn't live through the news stories like many of us did. I recall ANA was for many years showing new employees displays of the wreckage from their fatal accidents to remind them what is at stake every day when running an airline for decades, I am not sure about now.

I'm a very easy going fun loving person, I don't even kill most insects if I can help it, but I started reading accident reports as a kid in the 90s when they were being first posted online(http://www.airdisasters.net back in the day). I've read hundreds of reports over the years long before any popular documentaries started covering the incidents. It doesn't mean I like death or violence, it is just a fascinating part of aviation and history. Accidents reshape aviation sometimes. I try to stay totally objective about aviation accidents and have learned a lot from my research, and I hope to work my way into an airline's safety department one day if I'm flying for a union airline to be involved in any incidents that occur. The fact that some of you think that a majority of people who are interested in aviation safety and accidents want to get their jollies off the death associated with the accidents rather than visually examine the wreckage with objective curiosity is surely a false narrative.
 
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Wow, the fact that so many of you have issues with the idea of this wreckage being displayed at a museum is odd. There are places where the wreckage of a plane was kept reconstructed as a memorial, as with the Alisarda DC-9 shot down in Italy decades ago which is displayed with mirrors where the occupants were. It's not a fetishization of plane crashes, it is reminding future generations of one of the worst aviation disasters in history and how far we've come as a society with such disasters being so rare in the last decade or so. Much like the aircraft parts on display at the 9/11 museum, we may never forget these incidents, but displays of such artifacts help sink in the human suffering and scale of such disasters for younger people who didn't live through the news stories like many of us did. I recall ANA was for many years showing new employees displays of the wreckage from their fatal accidents to remind them what is at stake every day when running an airline for decades, I am not sure about now.

I'm a very easy going fun loving person, I don't even kill most insects if I can help it, but I started reading accident reports as a kid in the 90s when they were being first posted online(http://www.airdisasters.net back in the day). I've read hundreds of reports over the years long before any popular documentaries started covering the incidents. It doesn't mean I like death or violence, it is just a fascinating part of aviation and history. Accidents reshape aviation sometimes. I try to stay totally objective about aviation accidents and have learned a lot from my research, and I hope to work my way into an airline's safety department one day if I'm flying for a union airline to be involved in any incidents that occur. The fact that some of you think that a majority of people who are interested in aviation safety and accidents want to get their jollies off the death associated with the accidents rather than visually examine the wreckage with objective curiosity is surely a false narrative.

You're thinking of the wreckage of Itavia Flight 870, right? The Ustica massacre in which 81 souls on board perished.
The mirrors (black by the way) are not placed where the occupants were, but against walls surrounding the plane; behind them are loudspeakers. And above the plane, 81 pulsing lamps.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:56 pm

WTOP has an article on this. (DC media outlet, wreckage is in Northern Virginia)
https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2021/02 ... missioned/

The NTSB cites a few reasons for this:
-Lease for their training center in Ashburn is ending, not being renewed
-" advances in investigative techniques such as 3D scanning and drone imagery, lessen the relevance of the large-scale reconstruction in teaching modern investigative techniques"
 
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Wacker1000 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Wacker1000 wrote:
For sick people with a strange morbid obsession of plane crashes.

Guess we should destroy all Holocaust, 9/11, genocide, colonial era, French Revolution, Egyptian mummy, HIV-AIDS, WWII, Vietnam, US Civil, and Korean war museums too... because, I mean, what could people possibly learn from any of that stuff involving death, according to this brilliant deduction.


Are you seriously putting this on the same scale as the Holocaust?

Only to demonstrate how utterly ridiculous your statement was.


Wacker1000 wrote:
Nothing anyone in the general public learns from touring this in a museum would prevent a future accident.

So? That's you positing that as the only valuable takeaway, not an actually objective assessment.
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It won't be long before all conspiracy theorists out there, still believing this plane was shot down by a missile, will say the dismantling of the plane will be a cover-up... sigh. But I hope I am wrong.


It's interesting to consider that this was one of the first major conspiracy theories since the murder on JFK in 1963. Now, 25 years later, conspiracy has become the new normal...


Also interesting to note that one of the conspiracy’a biggest early proponents online was a veteran.
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 10:45 pm

Antarius wrote:
Vicenza wrote:
Antarius wrote:

IMO, it would make a good museum piece. Not for totemic status, but educational.


How, or educational for whom?


An exhibit on accident investigations perhaps? Showcasing how the NTSB goes through their process, the complexity, difficulty, time taken etc. TWA 800 is an interesting crash because we have a lot of wreckage and we have a likely cause, it isn't like UA232 or AF447 where we know what happened. So the wreckage can be used as a pretty cool exhibit, IMO.

I mean, there is a giant museum in Belfast about the Titanic - the ship whacked an iceberg. This was a significantly more complex and unique investigation.


I still don't get who your targeted audience would be, and what they would learn from it. At the end of the day, it is the final report/resolution of the NTSB which is important and to what depth does their 'processes' involve anyone.......again, who is your 'targeted' audience? Now you seem to be saying that it would be a 'pretty cool exhibit' instead of 'educational'. And, in the true spirit of a.net, who is going to fund the upkeep of this 'cool exhibit'?
I'd say you don't know much about the Titanic, and the Titanic Exhibition on Belfast is most certainly not 'giant' by any stretch of the imagination. Furthermore, it is an exhibition of Belfast's maritime heritage, together with the building of the Titanic......nothing at all to do with any investigation into it's sinking. Indeed, if your 'cool exhibit' ha happened in 1912 I very much doubt you'd be claiming any sort of 'significantly more complex and unique investigation'.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:01 pm

I used to live right next to this building 2 decades ago. Drove by it every day. Visited once with a group of System Ops peeps. Very somber place and it's really amazing to see something this large reconstructed after a catastrophic event.

Wacker1000 wrote:
For sick people with a strange morbid obsession of plane crashes.

Unless you work for an agency that investigates accidents, there is nothing to be seen. It has served its purpose and family members of victims are the only ones that should have a say in it not being destroyed.


I find plane crashes (and catastrophic failures in general) fascinating, because I'm an engineer. It's interesting (and educational) to discover what can be learned from them and if/how they could be prevented in the future. I'm sure there are "sick people with morbid obsession[s]", but I don't think you'll find many here. A plane crash is a major event to all us aviation aficionados.
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Fri Feb 26, 2021 11:02 pm

Vicenza wrote:
Antarius wrote:
Vicenza wrote:

How, or educational for whom?


An exhibit on accident investigations perhaps? Showcasing how the NTSB goes through their process, the complexity, difficulty, time taken etc. TWA 800 is an interesting crash because we have a lot of wreckage and we have a likely cause, it isn't like UA232 or AF447 where we know what happened. So the wreckage can be used as a pretty cool exhibit, IMO.

I mean, there is a giant museum in Belfast about the Titanic - the ship whacked an iceberg. This was a significantly more complex and unique investigation.


I still don't get who your targeted audience would be, and what they would learn from it. At the end of the day, it is the final report/resolution of the NTSB which is important and to what depth does their 'processes' involve anyone.......again, who is your 'targeted' audience? Now you seem to be saying that it would be a 'pretty cool exhibit' instead of 'educational'. And, in the true spirit of a.net, who is going to fund the upkeep of this 'cool exhibit'?
I'd say you don't know much about the Titanic, and the Titanic Exhibition on Belfast is most certainly not 'giant' by any stretch of the imagination. Furthermore, it is an exhibition of Belfast's maritime heritage, together with the building of the Titanic......nothing at all to do with any investigation into it's sinking. Indeed, if your 'cool exhibit' ha happened in 1912 I very much doubt you'd be claiming any sort of 'significantly more complex and unique investigation'.


By your reasoning, half the Smithsonian Air and Space museum could be thrown out as meaningless. Who's the target audience of any exhibit?

As for the Titanic exhibition, it is 130,000 sq ft over 8 floors. Not sure what your definition of giant is, but that's not a tiny little museum.
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Sat Feb 27, 2021 5:44 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
It would be interesting to hear the legal explanation of all of this. How can the government essentially steal property from TWA (which would now be AA)? There was no crime so
since the investigation is over shouldn't it have been returned to the owner of the airframe and engines to decide what to do with?


No offense but you have a lot to learn before the next time you want to make a comment like this.
 
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:36 am

WayexTDI wrote:
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Wow, the fact that so many of you have issues with the idea of this wreckage being displayed at a museum is odd. There are places where the wreckage of a plane was kept reconstructed as a memorial, as with the Alisarda DC-9 shot down in Italy decades ago which is displayed with mirrors where the occupants were. It's not a fetishization of plane crashes, it is reminding future generations of one of the worst aviation disasters in history and how far we've come as a society with such disasters being so rare in the last decade or so. Much like the aircraft parts on display at the 9/11 museum, we may never forget these incidents, but displays of such artifacts help sink in the human suffering and scale of such disasters for younger people who didn't live through the news stories like many of us did. I recall ANA was for many years showing new employees displays of the wreckage from their fatal accidents to remind them what is at stake every day when running an airline for decades, I am not sure about now.

I'm a very easy going fun loving person, I don't even kill most insects if I can help it, but I started reading accident reports as a kid in the 90s when they were being first posted online(http://www.airdisasters.net back in the day). I've read hundreds of reports over the years long before any popular documentaries started covering the incidents. It doesn't mean I like death or violence, it is just a fascinating part of aviation and history. Accidents reshape aviation sometimes. I try to stay totally objective about aviation accidents and have learned a lot from my research, and I hope to work my way into an airline's safety department one day if I'm flying for a union airline to be involved in any incidents that occur. The fact that some of you think that a majority of people who are interested in aviation safety and accidents want to get their jollies off the death associated with the accidents rather than visually examine the wreckage with objective curiosity is surely a false narrative.

You're thinking of the wreckage of Itavia Flight 870, right? The Ustica massacre in which 81 souls on board perished.
The mirrors (black by the way) are not placed where the occupants were, but against walls surrounding the plane; behind them are loudspeakers. And above the plane, 81 pulsing lamps.

LOL yes you are absolutely correct, Itavia, don't know why I said Alisarda, was thinking about them for some reason. But yes, that one, I had read about the memorial years ago when members of the Italian military came forward with the truth decades later and there were stories posted about it, I've never actually seen photos of it.
 
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Re: TWA 800 wreckage to be destroyed before 25th anniversary

Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:49 am

Polot wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
It would be interesting to hear the legal explanation of all of this. How can the government essentially steal property from TWA (which would now be AA)? There was no crime so since the investigation is over shouldn't it have been returned to the owner of the airframe and engines to decide what to do with?

TWA forfeited any right to the wreckage the moment they took that insurance check.

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Thought that said, I'm curious as to when exactly in the process that would've come, as this was such a seemingly unusual investigation type.
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