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Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 3:58 pm

I don't know if I should make a thread about this, but arguably, out of all of the 737 family, I'd say the Classic got the least recognition. It primarily competed against the MD-80. It did sell a little bit better than the MD-80 series, at 1,988 units vs 1191 units. But I think part of the reason was that Boeing was still building 737-200s in the 1980s when the Classics started rolling out, and they also had a slow selling 757. But by the 1990s, when the Classic was really starting to shine, that's when the 757 picked up, when the 777 was launched, and also when they were studying the 737 NG. I don't know about you guys, but I think maybe the Classic didn't have much time to grow? It's just my opinion, so feel free to tell yours in the thread.


Anyways, on this day, in 2000, (according to this source, it might actually be the 28th that the last classic rolled off the line) Czech Airlines recieved the last 2 734s off the line.
http://www.b737.org.uk/ok-fgs.htm


Now, over 600 Classics still soldier on (297 -300s, 261 -400s, and 134 -500s), but it has been an ever-declining number. Shame, I've always liked the Classic for some reason... Here's where it stands in my 737 family rankings

1. 737 Classic
2. 737 NG
3. 737 Original (100 and 200)
4. 737 MAX
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:08 pm

Actually surprised to see that many left, especially the -500. Who has the most Classics still in service?
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:22 pm

WN732 wrote:
Actually surprised to see that many left, especially the -500. Who has the most Classics still in service?





Maybe UTair? They have over 30 735s in addition to 6 more -400s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utair#Fleet


According to wiki
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:31 pm

Great info to know. Hard to believe the '90s are that far away now. I remember when WN's 733 fleet dominated everywhere with some 732s sprinkled here and there. The 737-400 is probably my favorite of the entire 73 line-up.
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 4:55 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Actually surprised to see that many left, especially the -500. Who has the most Classics still in service?





Maybe UTair? They have over 30 735s in addition to 6 more -400s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utair#Fleet


According to wiki


Something called iAero, which I could have sworn was Russian but is actually American, with 29 in service or short term corona storage.

If we include multiple AOCs, ASL group, who have 60 across 6 daughter companies.
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:01 pm

VSMUT wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
WN732 wrote:
Actually surprised to see that many left, especially the -500. Who has the most Classics still in service?





Maybe UTair? They have over 30 735s in addition to 6 more -400s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utair#Fleet


According to wiki


Something called iAero, which I could have sworn was Russian but is actually American, with 29 in service or short term corona storage.

If we include multiple AOCs, ASL group, who have 57 across 5 daughter companies.


iAero used to be called SwiftAir...do a lot of sports team charters.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:06 pm

IAero is a large operator. Based out of MIA.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:07 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
VSMUT wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:




Maybe UTair? They have over 30 735s in addition to 6 more -400s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utair#Fleet


According to wiki


Something called iAero, which I could have sworn was Russian but is actually American, with 29 in service or short term corona storage.

If we include multiple AOCs, ASL group, who have 57 across 5 daughter companies.


iAero used to be called SwiftAir...do a lot of sports team charters.


*Swift Air

Swiftair (no space) is a Spanish airline that does the same with grotesquely underpaid staff.
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 5:13 pm

Flying mainly Continental, United, American and Alaska back in the day, flying on Classics was ubiquitous. I remember boarding at ONT, SNA and CLE, in particular, and groaning, "Not another 737!" They were as exciting as a vanilla milkshake but workhorses all the way through. Apart from that horrid rudder issue, they'll go down in civil aviation history as one of the most successful and durable designs ever.
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:31 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
I don't know if I should make a thread about this, but arguably, out of all of the 737 family, I'd say the Classic got the least recognition. It primarily competed against the MD-80. It did sell a little bit better than the MD-80 series, at 1,988 units vs 1191 units. But I think part of the reason was that Boeing was still building 737-200s in the 1980s when the Classics started rolling out, and they also had a slow selling 757. But by the 1990s, when the Classic was really starting to shine, that's when the 757 picked up, when the 777 was launched, and also when they were studying the 737 NG. I don't know about you guys, but I think maybe the Classic didn't have much time to grow? It's just my opinion, so feel free to tell yours in the thread.


Anyways, on this day, in 2000, (according to this source, it might actually be the 28th that the last classic rolled off the line) Czech Airlines recieved the last 2 734s off the line.
http://www.b737.org.uk/ok-fgs.htm


Now, over 600 Classics still soldier on (297 -300s, 261 -400s, and 134 -500s), but it has been an ever-declining number. Shame, I've always liked the Classic for some reason... Here's where it stands in my 737 family rankings

1. 737 Classic
2. 737 NG
3. 737 Original (100 and 200)
4. 737 MAX


You have to also remember the A320 was introduced only a few years afterwards (84 vs. 87). Technologically speaking, the Classics were a somewhat conservative design for the early 80's.
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:49 pm

WN732 wrote:
Actually surprised to see that many left, especially the -500. Who has the most Classics still in service?


And we've lost 3 of them in the past few months (2 -500s and a -400)

Strangely even though more -300s were built, with the way the narrowbody freighter market is headed recently I think we'll see the relatively rare -400 be the most common in service variant in the coming years.
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 6:50 pm

Tiredofhumanity wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
I don't know if I should make a thread about this, but arguably, out of all of the 737 family, I'd say the Classic got the least recognition. It primarily competed against the MD-80. It did sell a little bit better than the MD-80 series, at 1,988 units vs 1191 units. But I think part of the reason was that Boeing was still building 737-200s in the 1980s when the Classics started rolling out, and they also had a slow selling 757. But by the 1990s, when the Classic was really starting to shine, that's when the 757 picked up, when the 777 was launched, and also when they were studying the 737 NG. I don't know about you guys, but I think maybe the Classic didn't have much time to grow? It's just my opinion, so feel free to tell yours in the thread.


Anyways, on this day, in 2000, (according to this source, it might actually be the 28th that the last classic rolled off the line) Czech Airlines recieved the last 2 734s off the line.
http://www.b737.org.uk/ok-fgs.htm


Now, over 600 Classics still soldier on (297 -300s, 261 -400s, and 134 -500s), but it has been an ever-declining number. Shame, I've always liked the Classic for some reason... Here's where it stands in my 737 family rankings

1. 737 Classic
2. 737 NG
3. 737 Original (100 and 200)
4. 737 MAX


You have to also remember the A320 was introduced only a few years afterwards (84 vs. 87). Technologically speaking, the Classics were a somewhat conservative design for the early 80's.

I’m not sure they were somewhat conservative, more computer/software design improved rapidly throughout the 80s. I’m not sure the A320 would have been possible if launched in 1979 (like the Classic program) with first flight in 1984. The A320 program was launched a month after the 733’s first flight.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:43 pm

Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:38 pm

I worked with CSA on line mtce department when those last classic arrived and luck to prepare OK-FGS, last classic built to first long flight with full center tank. After refueling I did preflight check, captaing signed it, than I went back to office. After some ten minuts crew called me back due to fuel leak. When I came back, immidiately when I got out of car, there was strong fuel smell and stream of fuel from wheel well area was visible from twenty meters. Flight was transferred to other aitcraft and we had to get to center tank and reseal it.
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:52 pm

Veigar wrote:
Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?

It depends. The 707/727 might be louder (Don't take this advice, I sadly never flew on them) but the 737 NG might be different. In terms of seating, yes I think they are all in a 3-3 config.
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:41 pm

Polot wrote:
Tiredofhumanity wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
I don't know if I should make a thread about this, but arguably, out of all of the 737 family, I'd say the Classic got the least recognition. It primarily competed against the MD-80. It did sell a little bit better than the MD-80 series, at 1,988 units vs 1191 units. But I think part of the reason was that Boeing was still building 737-200s in the 1980s when the Classics started rolling out, and they also had a slow selling 757. But by the 1990s, when the Classic was really starting to shine, that's when the 757 picked up, when the 777 was launched, and also when they were studying the 737 NG. I don't know about you guys, but I think maybe the Classic didn't have much time to grow? It's just my opinion, so feel free to tell yours in the thread.


Anyways, on this day, in 2000, (according to this source, it might actually be the 28th that the last classic rolled off the line) Czech Airlines recieved the last 2 734s off the line.
http://www.b737.org.uk/ok-fgs.htm


Now, over 600 Classics still soldier on (297 -300s, 261 -400s, and 134 -500s), but it has been an ever-declining number. Shame, I've always liked the Classic for some reason... Here's where it stands in my 737 family rankings

1. 737 Classic
2. 737 NG
3. 737 Original (100 and 200)
4. 737 MAX


You have to also remember the A320 was introduced only a few years afterwards (84 vs. 87). Technologically speaking, the Classics were a somewhat conservative design for the early 80's.

I’m not sure they were somewhat conservative, more computer/software design improved rapidly throughout the 80s. I’m not sure the A320 would have been possible if launched in 1979 (like the Classic program) with first flight in 1984. The A320 program was launched a month after the 733’s first flight.

The primary innovation of the A320 was the Fly-By-Wire system, which already existed (albeit in analog form) on Concorde.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 9:54 pm

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Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


Different eras = different seating configurations. Remember, when 707s and 727s ruled the skies, airlines didn’t try to pack the a/c like sardines. I imagine the noise levels were higher with the 707s, 727s, 737OGs. 737 classics are slightly louder ride vs the 737NGs for sure.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:10 pm

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Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


For the travelling public...probably not. For us Avgeeks, definitely...the "geek" factor of knowing exactly what you're flying on and why you're flying on that particular model is all part of the actual passenger experience.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:13 pm

The 727 was a very different experience. Its rate of climb always felt slower and shallower than other commercial jets. The front was very quiet, and the back was loud. I'm a few years too young to have flown on a 707.

I'm a big fan of the 300s (I've forgotten what they were called when new, something like "new generation", different from Next Generation. It always seemed to more of a "fun ride", for lack of a better phrase, than than the -200s and NG's. Sitting in the back of a lightly loaded -300, especially out of airport like BUR with steep climbs and tight turns right after takeoff, really lets you feel the power. Once I realized it was a safe situation, a TOGA in the last row of a 733 on a missed visual approach at PHX with short final rivaled any wooden roller coaster as an E-ticket ride. I didn't fly enough -400s or -500s to have comparable memories of them, but I'm guessing the -500 was very similar.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:16 pm

Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


Oh yes! Of course, a lot depends upon era. Back in the '70s I used to fly coach on American and United 707s and we had thicker, comfier seats and actual china to eat from. Drinks were served in actual glass. I distinctly remember the stewardesses pushing a meal cart down the aisle and them cutting roast beef to serve to the coach passengers.

By the '80s, the 707s were being phased out and the 727s were more the norm. Plastic started entering the in-flight service realm, but it was still nice. Leg room was still rather good, too. We still had actual silverware most flights, as we did in the '70s.

By the '90s, deregulation had taken full effect and the El Cheapo Grande philosophy had fully taken hold. I remember boarding 737s, as they'd largely taken over, and being shocked at the lesser level of service and the tighter seat pitch compared to the earlier planes, even if the seats were largely the same. I hadn't flown for a few years so the dichotomy was striking.

Were the planes all that different? In many ways, no. However, the in-flight service and amenities are! And no, not really in a good way. What you get in domestic first or business today isn't too different from how coach was back in the day. So yes, the passenger experience was very different, though not due to anything inherent to the plane and its similar cross section but rather because the public demanded a better experience and was willing to pay for it. Deregulation also played a significant role, as well.
 
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:32 pm

I still remember seeing a classic for the first time as a kid and finding the odd shaped engines fascinating.
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Thu Feb 25, 2021 10:35 pm

bigb wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


Different eras = different seating configurations. Remember, when 707s and 727s ruled the skies, airlines didn’t try to pack the a/c like sardines. I imagine the noise levels were higher with the 707s, 727s, 737OGs. 737 classics are slightly louder ride vs the 737NGs for sure.


Don't forget the 757. Same upper fuselage, ergo the passenger part.

They pretty much all flew with 3-3 configurations, so the seat width hasn't changed a bit. Just the legroom and how padded the seats are. And overhead lockers, I know the 727 pretty much just had a hat-rack up there.
 
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I worked hundreds of flights as cabin crew on Norwegian's B737-300 and loved working on them even though they were a lot more worn and noisy compared to our factory-fresh B737-800s. With 148 seats they were the perfect size on many short and medium routes and the company made money with them even though they required more maintenance than the new -800s. Norwegian's B733s all came from other airlines, so many had unique galleys and lav configs, which made it more fun for an av-geek like me as they offered variety and showed what flying used to be like before the LCC model completely took over with identical cabins on every aircraft. The B733s had personality and quirks but I always felt safe in them, they were sturdy birds who could take a beating in rough weather without problems.
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:56 am

Veigar wrote:
Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


I'm too young for 707s, but I'd echo most of what others have said about the rest. The rear of a 727 is an ears-ringing experience for hours afterward. 737-200s were also pretty loud, at least on takeoff. 727s often seemed roomier inside (despite identical fuselage dimensions) than newer models because of increased seat pitch and smaller overhead bins versus newer 737s. New NGs and forward offer IFE options that don't exist on older ones and the 727s, and the Sky interior gives a different lighting ambiance. The main difference, really, is that planes have gotten fuller and people have gotten fatter. That's not the planes themselves, except to the extent that lower costs to operate mean cheaper tickets.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:51 am

I've flown on the last 737-300 off the line a few times, both with Air New Zealand and in 2019 with Air Nauru. Great condition with the window serial numbers still referring to 1998
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:09 am

Veigar wrote:
Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


Not really. I've flown on the 727, 737, 757, and DC-8. On the inside the cabins are very similar.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:38 am

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I still remember seeing a classic for the first time as a kid and finding the odd shaped engines fascinating.


You mean the smooshed cowling, of course.

However, as a kid, *I* remember sitting inside a Jurassic well after Classics were in service, and marveling at the *crazy* long cowling... that was around the same time I sat next to the engine in an MD-80 and got hearing loss... also the lav / galley layout in those MD-80s is a level of weird approached by only perhaps the back of the 753.

Anyways...we know better now. More seats, less pitch. :D
 
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flyingclrs727 wrote:
Veigar wrote:
Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


Not really. I've flown on the 727, 737, 757, and DC-8. On the inside the cabins are very similar.


Getting too quiet... can hear that guy eating chips 2 rows back when you're trying to sleep in the hardass seat on a redeye.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:16 am

Just like the MAX, 737 classic is synonymous with a deadly design flaw. Perhaps only the DC-10 cargo door compares to these two.

In terms of the 737 classic versus the MD-80 series, it would be interesting to see the total number of deliveries through 1991. I believe the disparity between the two families was less at that point then what would become the ultimate number at the end of the decade. Where the MD87 went against the 735, and the 734 was of similar capacity to the MD80 (of which the MD outsold more than 2 to 1), there was no direct competitor to the 733.
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:39 am

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Just like the MAX, 737 classic is synonymous with a deadly design flaw. Perhaps only the DC-10 cargo door compares to these two.

In terms of the 737 classic versus the MD-80 series, it would be interesting to see the total number of deliveries through 1991. I believe the disparity between the two families was less at that point then what would become the ultimate number at the end of the decade. Where the MD87 went against the 735, and the 734 was of similar capacity to the MD80 (of which the MD outsold more than 2 to 1), there was no direct competitor to the 733.


Oh pray tell, what was this deadly flaw?

I love how some people on a.net just assume airlines are total morons and buy 10,000+ airframes with deadly flaws.
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:18 am

That's cray-cray. Never would have guessed the classics were produced that late. I've flown on the 200, 300, and 500. The 200 was on Aloha back in '87... nice and shiny JT8D's.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:29 am

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Oh pray tell, what was this deadly flaw?

I love how some people on a.net just assume airlines are total morons and buy 10,000+ airframes with deadly flaws.


I assume he meant this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:50 am

Antarius wrote:
DeltaMD95 wrote:
Just like the MAX, 737 classic is synonymous with a deadly design flaw. Perhaps only the DC-10 cargo door compares to these two.

In terms of the 737 classic versus the MD-80 series, it would be interesting to see the total number of deliveries through 1991. I believe the disparity between the two families was less at that point then what would become the ultimate number at the end of the decade. Where the MD87 went against the 735, and the 734 was of similar capacity to the MD80 (of which the MD outsold more than 2 to 1), there was no direct competitor to the 733.


Oh pray tell, what was this deadly flaw?

I love how some people on a.net just assume airlines are total morons and buy 10,000+ airframes with deadly flaws.


I'm pretty sure this is referring to the rudder PCU issue that downed two 737 jets in the 1990s - United 585 in Colorado Springs and USAir 427 in Pittsburgh.

And the only reason why this became a deadly flaw, is simply a case of failure of imagination.
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:07 pm

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Oh pray tell, what was this deadly flaw?


It was a non-redundant design from the 1950s that didn't meet any design standards in the 1980s but kept being produced by revising the original type certificate. You would think Boeing would have learned this lesson 20 years ago but money talks.

Two things kept it from being as big of a deal - we didn't have the internet or the 24/7 media so the general public wasn't as aware and the fleet wasn't grounded because of economics (pretty much every US carrier would have had to stop flying a majority of their routes). The "temporary fix" was a total joke. Sure it worked once but you should never have to resort to turning off a hydraulic system as your plane starts to roll over and nose towards the ground.
 
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:10 pm

I've flown on the classic many times, they were everywhere when I was younger. I have flown on the 300 with America West, United, Southwest, and Norwegian. The 400 with Alaska, and the 500 with Southwest, and United, in the Shuttle by United colors. The last classic flight I flew on was a Southwest 300 in 2013. I always liked the unique sound the engines and flaps made on the classics, distinctly different from the NG. I never got the chance to fly on a 737-200, so can't compare to that.
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Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:51 pm

Flew many times with Varig, Rio Sul and Nordeste 737-300 and -500 when kid. The classics ruled the brazilian skies during the 90s and early 2000s. It was my wanna be pilot dream to work for Webjet, and one of the highlights were the -300s!

How to forgot the flaps sound, the sound of the engines when going idle after reverse thrust? Awsome plane. Love the Classics, long life to them.
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Sat Feb 27, 2021 12:16 am

Wacker1000 wrote:
Two things kept it from being as big of a deal - we didn't have the internet or the 24/7 media so the general public wasn't as aware and the fleet wasn't grounded because of economics (pretty much every US carrier would have had to stop flying a majority of their routes).

Yeah, and there was a third reason for the rudder issue being less prominent than the MCAS issue in the media. The FDRs used on 737s at that time were of an ancient design which only gave few data at low freqency - long periods with no data. They were mostly useless for the investigations.

The incomplete data had the effect that the NTSB and Boeing interpreted them differently. For instance Boeing for a long time insisted that the accidents were caused by pilot error - that the crews had acted incorrectly on wake turbulence.
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Sat Feb 27, 2021 2:03 am

treebeard787 wrote:
I've flown on the classic many times, they were everywhere when I was younger. I have flown on the 300 with America West, United, Southwest, and Norwegian. The 400 with Alaska, and the 500 with Southwest, and United, in the Shuttle by United colors. The last classic flight I flew on was a Southwest 300 in 2013. I always liked the unique sound the engines and flaps made on the classics, distinctly different from the NG. I never got the chance to fly on a 737-200, so can't compare to that.


My last two -300 flights were both on WN, and both in the last year they were in the fleet: LAS-PHX in Dec. '16, followed by HOU-IND in March '17. Distinctly remember the large number of patches and reinforced areas on the fuselage skins. Those aircraft had seen lots of use.
 
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Sat Feb 27, 2021 6:28 am

Veigar wrote:
Is the actual passenger experience in flying on a 707, 727, and all 737 variants from the -100 to the MAX that much different?


ouch that hurts. i've flown on 707,727,737 dino/classic/ng, 757.
there was a certain seat that could be found on all on those acft. the window construction was all the same and on my 707 the window shades would read 707, 727 and 737 as well.

the cabin on the 707 could be the modernized one with closed bins like in 727-200 and 737s, or open hatracks like in 727-100. they called the modernized versions something with "wide body feeling".

the flying experience is something uniqe to each and every one. 732s were extremely noisy behind the wing. much louder than 707s. 727 even in the rear were less loud. while the cfm made a more thunder like sou d k the cabin, the pratts especially on the 707 had a very humming character to them... depending where you were seated.

707-300: https://youtu.be/Hck3V9iE-AM
707-300: https://youtu.be/7pJEGJm2CbM
727-200: https://youtu.be/0k98CCQvlYQ
727-200: https://youtu.be/sYKkSNqWg84
737 classic: https://youtu.be/hEmNUkxCPPg
757: https://youtu.be/DLOzlJte2ag
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Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:13 am

Ty134A wrote:

the flying experience is something uniqe to each and every one. 732s were extremely noisy behind the wing. much louder than 707s. 727 even in the rear were less loud. while the cfm made a more thunder like sou d k the cabin, the pratts especially on the 707 had a very humming character to them... depending where you were seated.

707-300: https://youtu.be/Hck3V9iE-AM
707-300: https://youtu.be/7pJEGJm2CbM
727-200: https://youtu.be/0k98CCQvlYQ
727-200: https://youtu.be/sYKkSNqWg84
737 classic: https://youtu.be/hEmNUkxCPPg
757: https://youtu.be/DLOzlJte2ag


The 707 definitely had some nice harmonics from the four JT3D engines. Plus, it was always fun to watch the spring loaded “sucker doors” on the intakes. The down side of the 707 were some of the window seats. With a wing so big, 1/3 of the plane could see nothing but wing (like an A380).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sf3mo3QROC8

The 727 always felt sluggish to me on take off, but approach to landing was the best part of the 727 experience. Nose high attitude and lots of power (with accompanying engine noise) made it feel like the pilots needed some skill to land it. I assume that was the technique taught to pilots after some crashes in the early ‘60s.

The 732s were just loud, as you said. How those WN F/As kept their hearing during all those short hops I’ll never know.

If you were a plane fan, those planes had lots of character. If you were a businessman, they were just rattling old death traps without in seat power or PTVs. (See: Complaints about 5500 series NWA 757s)
This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot.

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