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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 22, 2021 12:50 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
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Aviation wise its going to be a more restrictive Summer in Ireland compared to last year if the current trend continues. Especially when you look at the UK with a jab every 27 seconds and they are still warning about booking any holidays to a 51% vaccinated population. I just see all these airlines starting to lay on flights from DUB for July and August and cant help wonder how many of those naive enough to book will end up with vouchers and hours of wasted time trying to claw back their money.


I agree that in some cases getting back what we had will be difficult, if not impossible because demand profiles will look very different. I think that opens opportunity for the more 'exotic' destinations, the Caribbean, Mexico, South African and the Indian Ocean, especially if those destinations open before the traditional Irish favourites in the EU or the US.

I think the UK government is terrified of the vaccine-resistant strains - the physical and mental health of the population cant sustain a third winter of lockdown. Let alone the economic damage. There has been quite a bit of coverage over the weekend of the high rates of COVID in people returning from "safe" destinations like Greece last summer. Certainly the mood music seems to be encouraging against International travel rather than towards it.



Looking at the Aer Lingus schedules it looks as if they have just canceled a whole load of Aer Lingus Regional flights some until end of October ! Usually they do it in waves of 4-6 weeks so this is a drastic change.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:52 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
I think the UK government is terrified of the vaccine-resistant strains - the physical and mental health of the population cant sustain a third winter of lockdown. Let alone the economic damage. There has been quite a bit of coverage over the weekend of the high rates of COVID in people returning from "safe" destinations like Greece last summer. Certainly the mood music seems to be encouraging against International travel rather than towards it.


Surely any government would be terrified of such. I'm curious though where you arrive at a "third winter of lockdown". The first (and actually only) lockdown began in late March 2020, so there has only been one winter.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:31 pm

At the end of the day, that risk is always going to be there. If you start waiting for "no strains", you'll be waiting a very, very long time. Sooner or later, a line in the sand will have to be drawn. The vaccines will offer pretty much 80-90% immunity and as new strains emerge, new vaccines will have to be administered, much like annual flu shots. People will get sick, but if they are vaccinated, their ability to get over that illness will be greatly increased. This is where leadership comes in; governments are going to have to take a decision that travel can get under way again.

The big danger will be unvaccinated people, but the state can only go so far and those who have chosen not to be vaccinated will face a threat. There will also be civil liberties issues, but as Alan Joyce (of QF) said, countries will require vaccines, so it will be out of airlines' hands. Unvaccinated people won't be able to travel to most countries.

Once all of those who accept vaccination have been vaccinated, which will probably be well into the third quarter, the pressure to travel abroad will become too great for govenrments to resist; there will be certain destinations (such as Brazil and SA) which will be on a banned list, but gradually, there will be a list developed of safe countries and there will be a slow, occasionally painfully slow, network of routes being rebuilt.

I could easily see it being several years before we reach 2019 figures again. The best that we can hope for this year is probably a UK/Ireland travel bubble, possibly travel to a few other European countries.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:55 am

Aviation workers plead for recovery roadmap

Unless a recovery roadmap is drawn up, the Irish aviation industry is facing mass emigration of pilots, according to Recover Irish Aviation.

Many pilots are only completing a fraction of the flights they had before Covid-19, with some being out of work for such long periods, they are having to be retrained on simulators.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40249301.html



Dublin Airport travel: Restrictions, cost and day-by-day timeline as mandatory hotel quarantine portal goes live

It will start by passengers being escorted by the Defences Forces to their hotels

http://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-ne ... 234286.amp



AerAdvise gets authorisation to manage airworthiness

Dublin based AerAdvise has secured authorisation from the Irish Aviation Authority to provide airworthiness management services for aircraft operators and owners.

The authorisation will allow AerAdvise to manage the ongoing airworthiness of individual aircraft and the import, export and storage of aircraft around the world on behalf of airline operators and aircraft leasing firms.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1205423/



Irish Aviation Authority wins global safety award
Regulator’s system ‘literally saves lives’ says global aviation organisation

Air travel regulator, the Irish Aviation Authority (IAA) has won a safety award for its use of a system that a global organisation says “saves lives”.

The authority’s Aireon Alert service, which uses satellite data to provide up-to-the-minute information on the location of aircraft, has won the Civil Air Navigation Services Organisation (CANSO) Global Safety Achievement Award for 2020.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 8?mode=amp
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:26 am

kaitak wrote:
I could easily see it being several years before we reach 2019 figures again. The best that we can hope for this year is probably a UK/Ireland travel bubble, possibly travel to a few other European countries.


I think you are right, the longer the limitations on travel go on, the less likely a recovery is. I think it is highly unlikely that business travel will ever recover to the 2019 highs, working patterns have changed beyond all recognition. That said there is a noticeable uptick in mobility since schools have gone back. The UK legislation suggest that restrictions on travel could go on until the end of June - with £5000 fines. The current situation is a £200 fixed penalty, which was due to expire around the 17th of May. its worth noting that travel within the CTA will be permitted under this legislation, so a CTA travel bubble is conceivable.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 23, 2021 5:16 pm

Hello lads and lassies. I'm a long, long time lurker on these threads. You can count me in the group who is most likely to end up emigrating or trying to get the funding to go back to do a Masters in something techy. It's absolutely gutting because things were just starting to turn around pre-pandemic. I graduated into the 08 recession, lived with the parents, wasted a few years in a low paid civil service short term contract, had to endure the dreaded Jobbridge for a few weeks and then finally got my lucky break and got into the job I had wanted since I was a child. Was finally saving some money and was on track to buy a house, in Laois or Offaly granted!, but things were looking up.

The last 12 months have been a mighty struggle mentally. I still wake up some mornings, back at home with the folks again, and just cannot believe the rotten look to start my 20s into a recession and my 30s into a pandemic. It has been hard to let go of the dream and face reality that I'm going to be better off getting out of the industry. I have friends in the same situation and you realise how it's more of a calling/passion/vacation for so many of us from ground workers up and a highly emotional decision to leave the industry.

It's been very frustrating to see the misinformation and confusion floating around. I don't blame people for latching onto aviation as the boogeyman. When you have a lack of transparency and poor communication from the top, people who are feeling out of control and scared and frustrated are going to look for something that they can latch onto as the source of their troubles. Believing that the numbers are being caused by foreigners pouring in gives people some way of processing what they see and hear and gives them a sense of control again - shut those borders and we'll be home dry. The result of course is aviation is being scapegoated and allowed to be used as a boogeyman which is not a good scenario for an island nation so dependant on the outside world. I am deeply opposed to shoving cameras in the face of people arriving into the airport to rile up the general public as I feel it's not only ineffective but possible more dangerous as people watching get so ticked off they say to themselves ''this is all the fault of these people going to Lanzarote, fec$ it I'm going to have the lads around tonight to watch the match'.

I don't expect and wouldn't even support removing travel restrictions today or even this day next month but I do think we could be helped out an awful lot by more fair, balanced and responsible reporting on travel and its impact on case numbers.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:12 am

Welcome ShadyShamrock.
Great post... will be interesting to see what replies come along...
Stuck with aviation if you can... the rewards are fantastic......
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:26 am

Aer Lingus Manchester flights now on sale..

JFK daily S21 A321
BOS starts S22
BGI starts W21 3x weekly A333
MCO 5x weekly S21 A333

JFK & MCO start late July
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:57 am

Great fares for BGI with connections from DUB. The route should do well .



IAG uses Aer Lingus slots at Heathrow to secure $1.8bn credit

Prized Aer Lingus slots at Heathrow that were a crunch negotiating issue with the government when the airline was sold to IAG in 2015 can be used as security against a near $1.8bn (€1.5bn) revolving credit facility the airline group has just secured to bolster its finances, the Irish Independent understands.

The 23 take-off and landing slots that Aer Lingus controlled at Heathrow at the time of the €1.36bn sale to IAG were valued at as much as €900m.

https://amp.independent.ie/business/iri ... 32566.html
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:29 am

Eirules wrote:
Aer Lingus Manchester flights now on sale..

JFK daily S21 A321
BOS starts S22
BGI starts W21 3x weekly A333
MCO 5x weekly S21 A333

JFK & MCO start late July


BGI is a great addition for EI and deferring BOS was the correct call. Now its a case of hoping the US opens in July. Good to see JB codeshare is available for now via JFK.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 3:00 pm

Boris is expected to make an announcement before 5/4 on the prospects for flights from the UK, so that will be very signiifcant at all.

As usual, our own lot are resolutely committed to saying nothing at all - and anything they do say is not encouraging (such as SD's comments about deterring flying - and also spoke of more garda checks in and around the airport).

Can anyone clarify to me: is the MQD policy restricted only to the 33 countries on the "blacklist", or is it for all arriving passengers. I am assuming the former, but just wanted to confirm.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:00 pm

Ryanair have added x2 weekly NOC-MAN from September.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 4:04 pm

kaitak wrote:
Boris is expected to make an announcement before 5/4 on the prospects for flights from the UK, so that will be very signiifcant at all.

As usual, our own lot are resolutely committed to saying nothing at all - and anything they do say is not encouraging (such as SD's comments about deterring flying - and also spoke of more garda checks in and around the airport).

Can anyone clarify to me: is the MQD policy restricted only to the 33 countries on the "blacklist", or is it for all arriving passengers. I am assuming the former, but just wanted to confirm.


Just the 33 or if you have no PCR test on arrival you will be quarantined paying 150 per day until you get a negative test.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:48 pm

I think that's fair enough. There's a fair balance there; people will not be coming to Ireland, unaware of requirements, so if they come without the PCR, tough!
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 5:50 pm

kaitak wrote:
Boris is expected to make an announcement before 5/4 on the prospects for flights from the UK, so that will be very signiifcant at all.

As usual, our own lot are resolutely committed to saying nothing at all - and anything they do say is not encouraging (such as SD's comments about deterring flying - and also spoke of more garda checks in and around the airport).

Can anyone clarify to me: is the MQD policy restricted only to the 33 countries on the "blacklist", or is it for all arriving passengers. I am assuming the former, but just wanted to confirm.


Some politicians were calling for hotel quarantine for everyone from every country without actually knowing what they were talking about. How it would even be workable when its taken them a year to conjure up the current system. Apparently the current HSE forecasts for vaccinations are already slipping by 2 months and its got nothing to do with the shortages. Sadly the organisation of the roll out is full of mismanagement so it looks like any kind of travel will be demonised to hide the chaos.

MOL was on Sky News today and was saying that there would be high demand for his BHD routes this Summer from Irish crossing the UK border to avoid the ROI restrictions. Whether that is true or not remains to be seen . I presume they have some idea from the IP address and billing address of the bookings currently coming in.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:00 pm

Great news about BGI , finally EI has a winter sunshine strategy - hopefully Cancun , CPT to follow in years to come to fully cover the old Thomas Cook routes

Interestingly ORK- BGI via MAN has the cheapest fares on this route, Possibly because of UK taxes
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:20 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
Ryanair have added x2 weekly NOC-MAN from September.


Also starting NOC-EDI 2x Weekly.
Good to see FR picking up these ex-Flybe routes
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 6:23 pm

Link to Ryanair interview earlier today :



COVID-19: Holiday gamble for Ryanair as it reveals 'expanded' summer schedule

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-rya ... e-12254991
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:12 pm

The new EI routes from MAN are very interesting, BGI is a complete departure for them, but will be popular I think. Im sure they had access to good data from IAG and MAN about routes to the Caribbean. One slightly odd thing is that HeadforPoints says the US routes are not bookable from the US end. I thought EI had authorisation for these routes granted already?

OA260 wrote:
Link to Ryanair interview earlier today :

COVID-19: Holiday gamble for Ryanair as it reveals 'expanded' summer schedule

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-rya ... e-12254991


MOL has been saying this for a year now and repeatedly such projections/predicitions/wishful thinking have been wrong. I dont see how FR will deliver anything like 80% of 2019 numbers this summer, as a 3rd wave and low vaccination numbers cause problems in the EU.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:31 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
The new EI routes from MAN are very interesting, BGI is a complete departure for them, but will be popular I think. Im sure they had access to good data from IAG and MAN about routes to the Caribbean. One slightly odd thing is that HeadforPoints says the US routes are not bookable from the US end. I thought EI had authorisation for these routes granted already?

OA260 wrote:
Link to Ryanair interview earlier today :

COVID-19: Holiday gamble for Ryanair as it reveals 'expanded' summer schedule

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-rya ... e-12254991


MOL has been saying this for a year now and repeatedly such projections/predicitions/wishful thinking have been wrong. I dont see how FR will deliver anything like 80% of 2019 numbers this summer, as a 3rd wave and low vaccination numbers cause problems in the EU.


They need final CAA approval for the AOC before the US will allow sales on that side.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 24, 2021 8:07 pm

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They need final CAA approval for the AOC before the US will allow sales on that side.

I have just seen that on the other thread - thanks for that.
It does seem unlikely that an airline like EI would not be granted a license from an operational point of view - ownership rights etc might be a different matter, of course. But I's must be dotted. I wonder how EI has 'got away' with operating LHR-BHD while FR got a bit of a telling-off? Was it because FR were selling Ryanair UK flights that they intended to operate on a wet-lease basis with non-UK arms of the company As I read the Brexit protocols both EI and FR should have equal rights to operate UK domestic flights as pre-existing airlines? Or is it the usual political fudge when it comes to NI, with the only domestic EI routes being from BHD?
 
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Wed Mar 24, 2021 11:30 pm

Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told

Airline considering transfer of routes from Cork and Shannon to Belfast

Aer Lingus is asking staff in Ireland to move to Manchester where the company is expanding air services, the Dáil has been told.

Sinn Féin transport spokesman Darren O’Rourke said the airline is also considering transferring routes from Cork and Shannon to Belfast.

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/aer-li ... 8?mode=amp
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Thu Mar 25, 2021 12:57 am

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I wonder how EI has 'got away' with operating LHR-BHD while FR got a bit of a telling-off?


British Airways quietly 'wet leased' Aer Lingus to do the BHD-LHR route between January and March.

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Source: CAA

The route has been operated by the same three aircraft on a rotating basis ever since. I'm guessing the Aer Lingus Regional routes from BHD are under a similar guise. The limited and possibly temporary nature of the leases might be why it hasn't raised any eyebrows.

Ryanair UK was planning almost all of its flying programme to be on Irish registered aircraft via wet leases with just a token UK registered aircraft whereas British Airways wet leasing a handful of Irish aircraft from Aer Lingus doesn't disrupt the ratio in the same way, keeping them in the good books with the regulators.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:49 am

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Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told


I always thought this move might actually wake up the Irish Government a bit when it comes to travel.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:29 pm

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Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told


I always thought this move might actually wake up the Irish Government a bit when it comes to travel.


Obviously not . Aer Lingus have just extended the free booking change policy up until 31st December so thats pretty telling.

Meanwhile Ryanair are setting its hopes on a Southern Med bonanza this Summer !


Ryanair Strengthening Its Presence in Greece

ATHENS -- Low cost airline Ryanair is strengthening its presence in Greece with three additional bases in Rhodes, Chania and Corfu, and 46 new routes to and from these airports.

The company announced in a web press conference on Wednesday that Ryanair's bases in Greece and the 14 airports managed by Fraport will now amount to five in total (Athens, Rhodes, Chania, Corfu, Thessaloniki).

Ryanair's flight operations this summer include a total of 107 new routes and an announcement for more connections is to follow. The new bases have launched 243 flights a week, with the company's executives talking about the creation of 120 new jobs. It is underlined that Ryanair, for the execution of its new flights to Greece, is reinforcing its fleet with four new aircraft, with a total investment of 400 million dollars.

www.thenationalherald.com/greece_econom ... e-2057538/
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:58 pm

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Aer Lingus asking staff to move from Ireland to UK, Dáil told


I always thought this move might actually wake up the Irish Government a bit when it comes to travel.


TBH its a non story. Little rich coming from Darren considering his parties position anyway.
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:03 am

Hydrosense Protects New Dublin Airport Control Tower

Vimpex's Hydrosense Water Leak Detection System has been installed in Dublin Airport’s new Visual Control Tower (VCT) to protect the new state of the art facility from water ingress, which could seriously damage electrical, communication and computer networks.

www.aviationpros.com/airports/press-rel ... trol-tower



New Belfast medical aviation business seeking captain and pilots

A NEW aviation firm specialising in medical repatriation and organ transfer has launched in Belfast.

247 Aviation, which has secured two Lear Jet 40 air ambulance aircraft which will operate from the International Airport, responds to medical flight emergencies throughout the world.

www.irishnews.com/business/2021/03/25/n ... s-2266756/



O'Leary expects Irish to fly from NI as Ryanair expands summer schedule

Ryanair has announced it is expanding its summer flying schedule, despite ongoing fears the Covid-19 restrictions may mean foreign holidays remain on hold.

www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40250354.html?type=amp
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2021 11:54 am

Aer Lingus to AA connections starting to become available via JFK, LAX and MCO-Orlando is just offering MAN connections. Currently very limited offering but will probably change over time.

All other partners remain available which are JetBlue, United, Air Canada, WestJet and Alaska.
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:48 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
Aer Lingus to AA connections starting to become available via JFK, LAX and MCO-Orlando is just offering MAN connections. Currently very limited offering but will probably change over time.

All other partners remain available which are JetBlue, United, Air Canada, WestJet and Alaska.


Once EI join the joint venture how is this going to work? Say DUB-LAX-LAS on EI/AA is the same price as DUB-JFK-LAS on EI/B6, how is the revenue split amongst the other joint venture partners? For the EI/B6 is it just the DUB-JFK leg ? How do they decide what % of the revenue goes to B6?
 
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Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:18 pm

Eirules wrote:
Once EI join the joint venture how is this going to work? Say DUB-LAX-LAS on EI/AA is the same price as DUB-JFK-LAS on EI/B6, how is the revenue split amongst the other joint venture partners? For the EI/B6 is it just the DUB-JFK leg ? How do they decide what % of the revenue goes to B6?


From what I understand from when the B6/EI partnership was put into place, it was done in a very simple manner. My understanding is that essentially EI set a fare, B6 set a fare, and if you buy the ticket, you're paying EI their fare, and B6 their fare. The IT literally just adds the two together. It's far less complex of a setup than other airlines have. I could be wrong though, but that's my understanding. They wanted to do it as cheaply as possible at the time.

Due to that, it won't have an impact on the JV. That being said, I'm waiting to see if any of the EI partners are dumped in due course.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:42 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
Eirules wrote:
Once EI join the joint venture how is this going to work? Say DUB-LAX-LAS on EI/AA is the same price as DUB-JFK-LAS on EI/B6, how is the revenue split amongst the other joint venture partners? For the EI/B6 is it just the DUB-JFK leg ? How do they decide what % of the revenue goes to B6?


From what I understand from when the B6/EI partnership was put into place, it was done in a very simple manner. My understanding is that essentially EI set a fare, B6 set a fare, and if you buy the ticket, you're paying EI their fare, and B6 their fare. The IT literally just adds the two together. It's far less complex of a setup than other airlines have. I could be wrong though, but that's my understanding. They wanted to do it as cheaply as possible at the time.

Due to that, it won't have an impact on the JV. That being said, I'm waiting to see if any of the EI partners are dumped in due course.

I hope B6 isn't dropped as a partner. They have by far the best Y class short haul offering of them all, easily beating AA, UA, AC, AS.
 
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Sat Mar 27, 2021 8:15 am

Emirates 'well prepared' to welcome back customers

The past year has been among the toughest Emirates has ever had to endure, its country manager for Ireland, Enda Corneille said.

As with all other airlines and many businesses across the world, the company has had to refocus its operations.

Mr Corneille spoke to us about how he has been managing the Irish leg of the business throughout the pandemic and when he expects holiday-goers will take to the skies again.

https://amp.rte.ie/amp/1206401/



Pilot forced to live in attic with wife and baby as pandemic wrecks aviation industry

Getting a job with an Irish airline was 'brilliant' but training to become a pilot left him in debt

www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/unem ... 268413.amp



George Best Belfast City Airport Belfast City Airport boss hits out at Robin Swann foreign holiday comments

Brian Ambrose, CEO at Belfast City Airport, said the recent comments were "both premature and unhelpful"

www.business-live.co.uk/economic-develo ... 263651.amp
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Sat Mar 27, 2021 7:29 pm

Any chance of A330s returning to BOS??
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:30 am

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Any chance of A330s returning to BOS??



I’m sure when demand returns BOS will 100% return to a A330 flight, I believe the plan this summer was 1 A330 and 1 A321LR.

Do we know if the MAN-JFK flights will use T5?
 
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Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:31 am

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Do we know if the MAN-JFK flights will use T5?

I don't see any issue with the MAN flights using T5 at JFK. TP is a T5 tenant for its LIS flights and B6 also operates a number of Caribbean routes from there.
 
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:11 am

I know it was rumoured but Menzies have confirmed they’re pulling out of Dublin. Staff being offered redundancy or transfer to Swissport
 
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Mon Mar 29, 2021 8:29 am

Cork airport gets new helicopter base for Kinsale gas-field shutdown

The airport will be the base for transporting decommissioning workers

www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-news/cork-air ... 275553.amp



United States looks set to lift Ireland travel ban ahead of summer holiday season

Exclusive: The travel restrictions preventing Irish citizens from visiting the US for non-essential reasons such as holidays have been in place since March 17 last year.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/unit ... t-23800270
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:21 am

EI-LRE in MAN this morning. I assume this must be to do with the upcoming US flights?
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:33 am

linco22 wrote:
EI-LRE in MAN this morning. I assume this must be to do with the upcoming US flights?

Proving flight for the UK AOC I believe.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:13 am

shamrock321 wrote:
C777ER wrote:
Any chance of A330s returning to BOS??


Do we know if the MAN-JFK flights will use T5?


On the Aer Lingus website when selecting flight details it says T5. It also says T2 for the departing flight from MAN - they use T1 for MAN to Ireland today right?
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 12:05 pm

Rolls wrote:
On the Aer Lingus website when selecting flight details it says T5. It also says T2 for the departing flight from MAN - they use T1 for MAN to Ireland today right?

I think only T1 is open right now. There is some speculation that BA, IB and Vueling would be early in to relocate to the new T2. There were rumours of a oneworld or BA lounge. How COVID has changed the planned relocations is unclear, but EI would likely relocate with their JV partners.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 3:58 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
Rolls wrote:
On the Aer Lingus website when selecting flight details it says T5. It also says T2 for the departing flight from MAN - they use T1 for MAN to Ireland today right?

I think only T1 is open right now. There is some speculation that BA, IB and Vueling would be early in to relocate to the new T2. There were rumours of a oneworld or BA lounge. How COVID has changed the planned relocations is unclear, but EI would likely relocate with their JV partners.


Does the development of T2 have CTA gates and the capacity to handle multiple arrivals from DUB/BHD/ORK/LHR etc. All CTA routed to T1/3 presently even pre-covid?

Bridgetown is showing T1 but of course all subject to change.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 4:17 pm

JAmie2k9 wrote:
Does the development of T2 have CTA gates and the capacity to handle multiple arrivals from DUB/BHD/ORK/LHR etc. All CTA routed to T1/3 presently even pre-covid?

Bridgetown is showing T1 but of course all subject to change.

I don’t know to be honest. Ryanair used to operate from T2, so some solution existed at one point. The CTA arrival at T1 isn’t great, it’s always a bus. Departures from T3 aren’t brilliant either. Passenger experience at MAN has not been great for at least a decade.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 5:53 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
Passenger experience at MAN has not been great for at least a decade.


Very true indeed.
Was not MAN on the fast track to provide US pre-clearance before Covid intervened?
Presumably EI would use this if and when available, removing a unique selling point from DUB and SNN.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 9:18 pm

dstc47 wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
Passenger experience at MAN has not been great for at least a decade.


Very true indeed.
Was not MAN on the fast track to provide US pre-clearance before Covid intervened?
Presumably EI would use this if and when available, removing a unique selling point from DUB and SNN.

It was talked about adding CBP to MAN about five years ago but seemed to die a death then. There's been nothing about (from what I can find) it in recent times.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:12 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
. There were rumours of a oneworld or BA lounge. How COVID has changed the planned relocations is unclear, but EI would likely relocate with their JV partners.


BA have announced that the MAN lounge wont reopen so I wouldn’t be surprised if the next announcement is a change of terminal and some sort of new facility.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Mon Mar 29, 2021 10:44 pm

We’re risking going way OT here, but I think the pre-Covid plan was for FR to remain at T3 - they like the short taxy times. With a bit of reconfiguration T3 could be vastly improved. Perhaps reusing the check-in hall for security - FR don’t need much check-in space, assuming IAG move to T2 and AF/KL join VS/DL at T2, T3 would be left for Ryanair. In truth the gate areas themselves aren’t bad and the lounge provision is actually very good. The issue is the tiny post-security circulating space.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 7:21 am

Study recommends introduction of State fee per passenger at Shannon Airport

A NEW study by regional business groups has recommended the State pays a fee for each passenger using Shannon Airport to grow traffic once aviation can fully resume.

www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/620919/ ... rport.html



Belfast City Airport announces Covid testing facility plans

Belfast City Airport has announced plans for a Covid testing centre. The airport, in partnership with diagnostics firm Randox, is working on the facility

www.irishnews.com/paywall/tsb/irishnews ... ntent.html

 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:56 am

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I know it was rumoured but Menzies have confirmed they’re pulling out of Dublin. Staff being offered redundancy or transfer to Swissport


I am surprised at this. They only entered DUB in 2018 and had the BA contract which was quite lucrative given the amount of flights BA had to LHR/LCY. They also gained Icelandair, Luxair and I believe Eurowings since and were in talks with I believe United to cater for them before Covid hit.

Swissport recently lost Etihad to Sky handling aswell.

AA left Swissport and had their own in-house check in staff however the majority of these have been let go and given the size of AA's operation (obviously this will change with Covid) you wonder whether they will go back to a ground handling. I never thought it made economic sense for AA to have their own in-house check in team at DUB given they operated one daily flight for the large majority of the year.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:03 am

US, France, Germany and Italy are among 43 new countries that are recommend for hotel quarantine list but the decision has been delayed because of the political and diplomatic fallout.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/c ... 55783.html

I didn't see this coming and not sure they will take the decision to add all of these. Italy would be the easy choice of the ones mentioned. The UK list review might shape what gets added.

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