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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:39 pm

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US, France, Germany and Italy are among 43 new countries that are recommend for hotel quarantine list but the decision has been delayed because of the political and diplomatic fallout.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/c ... 55783.html

I didn't see this coming and not sure they will take the decision to add all of these. Italy would be the easy choice of the ones mentioned. The UK list review might shape what gets added.


Yes, it will be interesting to see the reaction in the US, given the number of US tech companies with bases over here. I think we can expect some "shots to be fired across our bows" by some of these companies, with CEOs "thinking aloud" as to whether a country which makes it difficult for their people to travel is necessarily the best place for them to have their European headquarters. This would be a dangerous move and it would probably need to carry some caveats, i.e. that it is time limited.

We should also see statistics; given that all pax coming from these countries (and every other) still need PCR tests, what statistics exist which suggest that incoming pax from the US are a source of Covid and have transmitted it? They really need to provide some data for this, because it is a high risk move. And I hope the govt is prepared for the blowback, because it will its decision, not NEPHT's.

Just when you think there might be light at the end of the tunnel ...
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:54 pm

kaitak wrote:
Yes, it will be interesting to see the reaction in the US, given the number of US tech companies with bases over here. I think we can expect some "shots to be fired across our bows" by some of these companies, with CEOs "thinking aloud" as to whether a country which makes it difficult for their people to travel is necessarily the best place for them to have their European headquarters. This would be a dangerous move and it would probably need to carry some caveats, i.e. that it is time limited.

We should also see statistics; given that all pax coming from these countries (and every other) still need PCR tests, what statistics exist which suggest that incoming pax from the US are a source of Covid and have transmitted it? They really need to provide some data for this, because it is a high risk move. And I hope the govt is prepared for the blowback, because it will its decision, not NEPHT's.

Just when you think there might be light at the end of the tunnel ...


Certain companies who have essential staff and management still flying are exempt from these rules especially the US ones. That works both ways as some Irish companies are still getting visas from the US and are allowed to travel from Ireland. Obviously the numbers are small but where needed its facilitated.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:51 pm

kaitak wrote:
Yes, it will be interesting to see the reaction in the US, given the number of US tech companies with bases over here. I think we can expect some "shots to be fired across our bows" by some of these companies, with CEOs "thinking aloud" as to whether a country which makes it difficult for their people to travel is necessarily the best place for them to have their European headquarters. This would be a dangerous move and it would probably need to carry some caveats, i.e. that it is time limited.

We should also see statistics; given that all pax coming from these countries (and every other) still need PCR tests, what statistics exist which suggest that incoming pax from the US are a source of Covid and have transmitted it? They really need to provide some data for this, because it is a high risk move. And I hope the govt is prepared for the blowback, because it will its decision, not NEPHT's.

Just when you think there might be light at the end of the tunnel ...


They can think aloud all they like. Where would they realistically move to where they have a low-tax regimen, English a s a first language and unfettered access to the EU market? It We also need to move beyond the idea that business travel is on a temporary hiatus, while some travel will always be necessary the majority of companies have retooled and reorganised their workflows to minimise travel to the office let alone between offices.

That said, I agree the statistics need to be examined in the public arena. NEPHT are an extremely risk averse group and I worry that their group think-in reinforces that conservatism. I think they would have preferred a zero-COVID policy. That has its own advantages and disadvantages, but they are essentially doing that in all but name. They seem very against any socialising and opening of the economy at all. The country has been in lockdown since November, to varying degrees. Cases remain stubborn - the question needs to be how we move forward. Hotel quarantine would seem to be mainly for discouraging the Irish population to travel. The countries chosen for the list might not be quite so important.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:04 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
the question needs to be how we move forward..


Vaccinations are the only way out so a long road to go yet and unless you have a mate at the Beacon or pass a brown envelope to a politician then join the long line !

A change in the vaccination policy had just been announced . Lets see if it changes the speed . The way things are going travel outside the CTA is not on the cards this year and even the CTA will have restrictions .

Some foreign carriers are starting to lay off more of their Irish based staff which is tragic .
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:08 pm

Oh I fully expected this. As soon as I saw the initial countries, most in Africa, I knew they were going to lobby the government to add a lot more countries to the list. We seem to be stuck right now between two strategies and neither is working as it should at this moment - vaccine and gradually reopen vs zero covid.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:20 pm

Ireland to require additional COVID test from passengers on arrival

(Reuters) - Ireland is to require arriving passengers to take a COVID-19 test on arrival in addition to one taken in the days before traveling, Deputy Prime Minister Leo Varadkar said on Tuesday.

"Even though we have the strictest border biosecurity already in the European Union, we'll be making that stricter again in the coming weeks, starting with an additional PCR test on arrival as well as before people arrive," he said.

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN2BM2SC
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:49 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
kaitak wrote:
Yes, it will be interesting to see the reaction in the US, given the number of US tech companies with bases over here. I think we can expect some "shots to be fired across our bows" by some of these companies, with CEOs "thinking aloud" as to whether a country which makes it difficult for their people to travel is necessarily the best place for them to have their European headquarters. This would be a dangerous move and it would probably need to carry some caveats, i.e. that it is time limited.

We should also see statistics; given that all pax coming from these countries (and every other) still need PCR tests, what statistics exist which suggest that incoming pax from the US are a source of Covid and have transmitted it? They really need to provide some data for this, because it is a high risk move. And I hope the govt is prepared for the blowback, because it will its decision, not NEPHT's.

Just when you think there might be light at the end of the tunnel ...


They can think aloud all they like. Where would they realistically move to where they have a low-tax regimen, English a s a first language and unfettered access to the EU market? It We also need to move beyond the idea that business travel is on a temporary hiatus, while some travel will always be necessary the majority of companies have retooled and reorganised their workflows to minimise travel to the office let alone between offices.


After 12 months of remote working, the importance of business travel, including inter-office travel, has become very apparent to our firm. It’s becoming increasingly difficult to strengthen relationships with clients and colleagues and most are pretty fatigued with the feeling of remoteness and distance created by the current way of working and communicating. I expect business travel to rebound fairly quickly by H2 2022. While a 100% recovery is probably unlikely as a smallish long-term structural change is probably inevitable, I’d be surprised to see anything less than a 75-80% recovery by 2023.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:17 pm

I'm just wondering what the response will be to Americans being added to the MHQ list (along with the others). If the American multi-nationals are allowed to travel for work and are not required to do this, that might be a pressure valve; if not, there will be trouble. Frankly, if it is made clear that you need to have a vaccine before you travel, then MHQ should not be necessary.

I am concerned that, even when vaccination is completed, there will still be resistance to travel being allowed to resume. Eamon Ryan has said this evening (to much criticism) that he wants he wants "getting back to work" and social life to take priority over international travel. Leaving aside the fact over over 140k rely directly (and hundreds of thousands, indirectly) on aviation, I think the situation underlines, once again, the problem of having a minister who is basically hostile to the sector for which he is responsible. Does anyone believe for a moment that Ryan defends or advances the interests of aviation at the cabinet table? If not he, whom?

One key problem with this is that when you are faced with the likes of NPHET, which is very cautious and risk averse, you are going to have a time when it is appropriate to open the country to international travel. Who will "sell" that? Ryan? Most likely not. And in the absence of anyone else doing so, NEPHT will continue to "get its way" and aviation will be hamstrung for much longer than is necessary.
 
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Re: Irish 3/21: stuck on the runway

Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:25 am

Hello again folks!

Here is the April 2021 thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1459327

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