a7ala wrote:

NZ516 wrote:

Here you go for the same week:

WLG to SYD 11
WLG to MEL 5
WLG to BNE 8

I'm seeing from the Air NZ booking site for week starting 19 April:

WLG to SYD 6 (no Wednesday)
WLG to MEL 5 (no Tuesday/Saturday)
WLG to BNE 5 (No Monday/Thursday)

Where about are you getting your info from?

Yes, I checked WLG-BNE for June-July and noted 5x weekly as well, though I'm sure the frequencies will vary by season. But that's better than pre-covid IIRC, when after the VA rupture NZ restarted WLG-BNE (which had been exclusively a VA offering) with only 3x weekly services.

Also, in addition to NZ516's list, there's ZQN-BNE at 3x weekly from 30 June. I'm a bit disappointed that NZ hasn't taken the opportunity to inaugurate WLG-OOL - it seems to me an obvious route for the carrier to serve.

I do find it very irritating that you can't now find a proper timetable on NZ's website, even week-by-week route-by-route. I sometimes use Flightlookup, but it tends to be slow to reflect changes, additions and deletions.

a7ala wrote:

NZ516 wrote:

Here you go for the same week:

WLG to SYD 11
WLG to MEL 5
WLG to BNE 8

I'm seeing from the Air NZ booking site for week starting 19 April:

WLG to SYD 6 (no Wednesday)
WLG to MEL 5 (no Tuesday/Saturday)
WLG to BNE 5 (No Monday/Thursday)

Where about are you getting your info from?

From the same site, perhaps some frequencies have been taken out.

DavidByrne wrote:

I'm a bit disappointed that NZ hasn't taken the opportunity to inaugurate WLG-OOL - it seems to me an obvious route for the carrier to serve.

I recall JQ had announced just prior to Covid an increase on WLG-OOL to 6pw. Although no word on when they will return at this stage.

DavidByrne wrote:

a7ala wrote:

NZ516 wrote:

Here you go for the same week:

WLG to SYD 11
WLG to MEL 5
WLG to BNE 8

I'm seeing from the Air NZ booking site for week starting 19 April:

WLG to SYD 6 (no Wednesday)
WLG to MEL 5 (no Tuesday/Saturday)
WLG to BNE 5 (No Monday/Thursday)

Where about are you getting your info from?

Yes, I checked WLG-BNE for June-July and noted 5x weekly as well, though I'm sure the frequencies will vary by season. But that's better than pre-covid IIRC, when after the VA rupture NZ restarted WLG-BNE (which had been exclusively a VA offering) with only 3x weekly services.

Also, in addition to NZ516's list, there's ZQN-BNE at 3x weekly from 30 June. I'm a bit disappointed that NZ hasn't taken the opportunity to inaugurate WLG-OOL - it seems to me an obvious route for the carrier to serve.

I do find it very irritating that you can't now find a proper timetable on NZ's website, even week-by-week route-by-route. I sometimes use Flightlookup, but it tends to be slow to reflect changes, additions and deletions.

I agree it's annoying to search day by day over a week for every single route it's very time consuming but it is what we have to get use to now. Other sources are not up to date unfortunately.

With the new Tasman bubble flying Air NZ will be placing 5 789s back into service nearly everyday.

From AKL each port sees a daily 789 service BNE, SYD, MEL and PER all leaving in the morning and ADL gets 4 789 flights per week as well. The afternoon Tasman flights from AKL are all 320/321 operated at this stage. This is still a really good start none the less.

a7ala wrote:

DavidByrne wrote:

I'm a bit disappointed that NZ hasn't taken the opportunity to inaugurate WLG-OOL - it seems to me an obvious route for the carrier to serve.

I recall JQ had announced just prior to Covid an increase on WLG-OOL to 6pw. Although no word on when they will return at this stage.

Wasn't WLG-OOL an old SJ route? did NZ ever take this one on when they folded SJ operation back into NZ?

Will DUD join HLZ,PMR,ROT in all losing there International status over the years?

BNE-DUD on VA always seemed to have good loadings.

zkncj wrote:

a7ala wrote:

DavidByrne wrote:

I'm a bit disappointed that NZ hasn't taken the opportunity to inaugurate WLG-OOL - it seems to me an obvious route for the carrier to serve.

I recall JQ had announced just prior to Covid an increase on WLG-OOL to 6pw. Although no word on when they will return at this stage.

Wasn't WLG-OOL an old SJ route? did NZ ever take this one on when they folded SJ operation back into NZ?

Will DUD join HLZ,PMR,ROT in all losing there International status over the years?

BNE-DUD on VA always seemed to have good loadings.

They've removed all the VA signage in Dunedin

Emirates is to bring back their A380 to Christchurch from Dubai via Sydney again on November 2. Just hope they can get the borders open for them.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... amOBT0bQXM

LamboAston wrote:

zkncj wrote:

a7ala wrote:

I recall JQ had announced just prior to Covid an increase on WLG-OOL to 6pw. Although no word on when they will return at this stage.

Wasn't WLG-OOL an old SJ route? did NZ ever take this one on when they folded SJ operation back into NZ?

Will DUD join HLZ,PMR,ROT in all losing there International status over the years?

BNE-DUD on VA always seemed to have good loadings.

They've removed all the VA signage in Dunedin

Unlike WLG, which has had VA adverts and sings during the entire pandemic.

Announcement today.

NZ6 wrote:

Announcement today.

Of?

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NZ6 wrote:

Announcement today.

It seems promising of an Cook Islands bubble, now that the NZ Covid tracer app works in the Cooks. Although will it just be an another announcement of the date of the announcement?

AKL-RAR seems to be bookable as an daily 321NEO service from 12 April.

The question that I’ve got about the covid tracer app, is New Zealand wanting Australia to be apart of that too before we open an bubble with them....

Actually Victoria is a bit more than that it's population is 6.6 m and NSW 8.1 m

NZ6 wrote:

Announcement today.

So no firm date yet..... just an hopefully of an May start date.
Live stream https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/300262687/watch-live-cook-islands-pm-mark-brown-and-jacinda-ardern-front-media-after-meeting-in-auckland

Hobart flights might start on Anzac day.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-19/ ... /100018456

tullamarine wrote:

So no firm date yet..... just an hopefully of an May start date.

Hobart flights might start on Anzac day.

At least one of these is wrong.

Nah man. May is the Raro Bubble, I think HBA is a west island territory?

Is the 380 comming back to AKL anytime soon as well?

For the first three days of the fully opened Tasman Bubble services, every seat on every Qantas flight will be offered as a classic reward seat for frequent flyer redemptions.

It’s a great initiative to spur traveller bookings.

I’ll feel for QF’s Kiwi based crew, from stand down to chocka-block flights.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... he-tasman/

Gangurru wrote:

For the first three days of the fully opened Tasman Bubble services, every seat on every Qantas flight will be offered as a classic reward seat for frequent flyer redemptions.

It’s a great initiative to spur traveller bookings.

I’ll feel for QF’s Kiwi based crew, from stand down to chocka-block flights.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... he-tasman/

Qantas also just signed up with AA Smart Fuel, with an auto conversion option. You get 15QP/1c A Smart Fuel rewards.

So an $200 weekly spend at Countdown will net you 90QP an week.

Feels like QF are ready to take on the New Zealand market.

tullamarine wrote:

zkncj wrote:

Gangurru wrote:

For the first three days of the fully opened Tasman Bubble services, every seat on every Qantas flight will be offered as a classic reward seat for frequent flyer redemptions.

It’s a great initiative to spur traveller bookings.

I’ll feel for QF’s Kiwi based crew, from stand down to chocka-block flights.

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... he-tasman/

Qantas also just signed up with AA Smart Fuel, with an auto conversion option. You get 15QP/1c A Smart Fuel rewards.

So an $200 weekly spend at Countdown will net you 90QP an week.

Feels like QF are ready to take on the New Zealand market.

I know fuel is a bit dearer in NZ compared with AU, but do you seriously spend $200 per week on petrol?? I buy premium and spend about $90 per fortnight.

Countdown as supermarket (Woolworths in New Zealand).

At my local BP (Auckland) 98 is currently selling at $2.70/L - If you use 40L per week of 98 you spending around $108.....

Further to the announcement of AKL-HBA flights last week, here is an interesting article about the new services.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... n-support/

According to the article, 54,751 pax travelled between HBA and New Zealand in 2019. This equates to an average of 75 pax per direction each day - I think NZ will have no trouble filling two or three flights a week, even if some of the traffic does continue to flow over other ports.

I expect this service to be a quiet success, and hope to see it continue for many years to come.

budgetflyer wrote:

Further to the announcement of AKL-HBA flights last week, here is an interesting article about the new services.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... n-support/

According to the article, 54,751 pax travelled between HBA and New Zealand in 2019. This equates to an average of 75 pax per direction each day - I think NZ will have no trouble filling two or three flights a week, even if some of the traffic does continue to flow over other ports.

I expect this service to be a quiet success, and hope to see it continue for many years to come.

Interesting to note also that this was just O&D passengers. In addition NZ could expect a number of international connection passengers once traffic to and from North America resumes.

I'm always surprised when that particular website does an analysis of a route as to how many potential passengers some routes not served directly do actually have. I'd love to see their analysis (yet to be done, recently at least, as I've not seen it) of the current AKL-CBR numbers (and also the WLG-CBR numbers, and for good measure, CHC-ADL). That would perhaps help us understand which routes really are potential goers.

In 2019 there was just under 45,000 passengers that flew between DUD & BNE approximately 865 people per week.

Source:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunedin_Airport

Based on that the 3x week VA services wouldn’t have done to badly in the past. That would be approximately 144 per service. On an 176 seater VA 738 that would be an 80% load factor.

One would expect allot of traffic between BNE & DUD would be very local.

So could be an case for someone to pickup this route once the Tasman bubble is operating?

zkncj wrote:

In 2019 there was just under 45,000 passengers that flew between DUD & BNE approximately 865 people per week.

Source:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunedin_Airport

Based on that the 3x week VA services wouldn’t have done to badly in the past. That would be approximately 144 per service. On an 176 seater VA 738 that would be an 80% load factor.

One would expect allot of traffic between BNE & DUD would be very local.

So could be an case for someone to pickup this route once the Tasman bubble is operating?

We don't really know from the load factor whether the route was profitable though. Selling the seats is one thing and selling them at a profit another.

ZK-NBT wrote:

. Who else would fly it though really, JQ don't or pre Covid didn't do international ex BNE, I can't see QF or NZ touching it.

JQ did have international service from BNE pre Covid with BNE-DPS.

New Information put this afternoon shows that 23,447 people arrived from Australia in the past 8 months and only 3 people have tested positive after arriving in the past 8 months.
Source: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/transtasman-bubble-boost-positive-step-as-number-of-infected-australian-travellers-revealed/BLIAFITD3MSJSJ34R6GZEJUJCA/

Seems like positive news towards an Tasman bubble, being very low risk.

zkncj wrote:

NZ6 wrote:

Announcement today.

It seems promising of an Cook Islands bubble, now that the NZ Covid tracer app works in the Cooks. Although will it just be an another announcement of the date of the announcement?

AKL-RAR seems to be bookable as an daily 321NEO service from 12 April.

The question that I’ve got about the covid tracer app, is New Zealand wanting Australia to be apart of that too before we open an bubble with them....

Yes sorry, I got word the PM was making an announcement re the Cook Island bubble with PM Brown on Friday afternoon. Seemed very much like an announcement around commencement but was only a timeframe and still subject to other things happening.

NZ6 wrote:

zkncj wrote:

NZ6 wrote:

Announcement today.

It seems promising of an Cook Islands bubble, now that the NZ Covid tracer app works in the Cooks. Although will it just be an another announcement of the date of the announcement?

AKL-RAR seems to be bookable as an daily 321NEO service from 12 April.

The question that I’ve got about the covid tracer app, is New Zealand wanting Australia to be apart of that too before we open an bubble with them....

Yes sorry, I got word the PM was making an announcement re the Cook Island bubble with PM Brown on Friday afternoon. Seemed very much like an announcement around commencement but was only a timeframe and still subject to other things happening.

I believe that one of the obstacles to opening the bubble and beginning the planned daily A321 service was the need to set up covid testing facilities in Raro and have staff trained etc. Does anyone know whether this has yet been established?

ZK-NBT wrote:

anstar wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

. Who else would fly it though really, JQ don't or pre Covid didn't do international ex BNE, I can't see QF or NZ touching it.

JQ did have international service from BNE pre Covid with BNE-DPS.

Thanks, not sure if it makes a difference with aircraft or crew scheduling as that was a 788 which did MEL-DPS-BNE-DPS-MEL IIRC. Did JQ have BNE-HNL 2-3 years back for a period aswelll?

The BNE-DPS flights do have some BNE crew - but worth calling out that most of JQ's international flights are crewed by crew from Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand.

anstar wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

anstar wrote:

JQ did have international service from BNE pre Covid with BNE-DPS.

Thanks, not sure if it makes a difference with aircraft or crew scheduling as that was a 788 which did MEL-DPS-BNE-DPS-MEL IIRC. Did JQ have BNE-HNL 2-3 years back for a period aswelll?

The BNE-DPS flights do have some BNE crew - but worth calling out that most of JQ's international flights are crewed by crew from Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand.

Pre-covid some of the Tasman flights would be crew AKL-ZQN-Australia etc with New Zealand based crews.

No reason why that couldn't work with an daily AKL-DUD-BNE-(overnight)-DUD-AKL service with New Zealand based crews.

If New Zealand opens to Australia by Winter, I would expect allot of demand across New Zealand for travel to Queensland.

zkncj wrote:

anstar wrote:

ZK-NBT wrote:

Thanks, not sure if it makes a difference with aircraft or crew scheduling as that was a 788 which did MEL-DPS-BNE-DPS-MEL IIRC. Did JQ have BNE-HNL 2-3 years back for a period aswelll?

The BNE-DPS flights do have some BNE crew - but worth calling out that most of JQ's international flights are crewed by crew from Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand.

Pre-covid some of the Tasman flights would be crew AKL-ZQN-Australia etc with New Zealand based crews.

No reason why that couldn't work with an daily AKL-DUD-BNE-(overnight)-DUD-AKL service with New Zealand based crews.

If New Zealand opens to Australia by Winter, I would expect allot of demand across New Zealand for travel to Queensland.

I'm pretty sure Virgin Australia flights from Dunedin to Brisbane were weight restricted due to the length of the runway at DUD.... Max I think was 140... Flights were one of the profitable ones on the TransTasman network (albeit with a few kickbacks from the local council/tourism board)

VA would be silly not to restart these services if they had opportunity to do it again.

QuayWeeAir wrote:

zkncj wrote:

anstar wrote:

The BNE-DPS flights do have some BNE crew - but worth calling out that most of JQ's international flights are crewed by crew from Singapore, Indonesia and Thailand.

Pre-covid some of the Tasman flights would be crew AKL-ZQN-Australia etc with New Zealand based crews.

No reason why that couldn't work with an daily AKL-DUD-BNE-(overnight)-DUD-AKL service with New Zealand based crews.

If New Zealand opens to Australia by Winter, I would expect allot of demand across New Zealand for travel to Queensland.

I'm pretty sure Virgin Australia flights from Dunedin to Brisbane were weight restricted due to the length of the runway at DUD.... Max I think was 140... Flights were one of the profitable ones on the TransTasman network (albeit with a few kickbacks from the local council/tourism board)

VA would be silly not to restart these services if they had opportunity to do it again.

Nope, I loaded flights to 179 pax.

LamboAston wrote:

QuayWeeAir wrote:

zkncj wrote:

Pre-covid some of the Tasman flights would be crew AKL-ZQN-Australia etc with New Zealand based crews.

No reason why that couldn't work with an daily AKL-DUD-BNE-(overnight)-DUD-AKL service with New Zealand based crews.

If New Zealand opens to Australia by Winter, I would expect allot of demand across New Zealand for travel to Queensland.

I'm pretty sure Virgin Australia flights from Dunedin to Brisbane were weight restricted due to the length of the runway at DUD.... Max I think was 140... Flights were one of the profitable ones on the TransTasman network (albeit with a few kickbacks from the local council/tourism board)

VA would be silly not to restart these services if they had opportunity to do it again.

Nope, I loaded flights to 179 pax.

Oh that's strange because none of the flights I operated out of Dunedin were loaded with that amount of passengers ever....

The market changed pre covid and VA was already struggling to cope. NZ/QF has closed the door in VA doing anything internationally for the time being. I'd be surprised to see them back in AKL, let alone DUD. The fact that VA even exists is remarkable as they should have been out of business years ago.

QuayWeeAir wrote:

LamboAston wrote:

QuayWeeAir wrote:

I'm pretty sure Virgin Australia flights from Dunedin to Brisbane were weight restricted due to the length of the runway at DUD.... Max I think was 140... Flights were one of the profitable ones on the TransTasman network (albeit with a few kickbacks from the local council/tourism board)

VA would be silly not to restart these services if they had opportunity to do it again.

Nope, I loaded flights to 179 pax.

Oh that's strange because none of the flights I operated out of Dunedin were loaded with that amount of passengers ever....

I spent 6 months loading them, school holiday average was 140, we had a couple of weeks in summer with every flight over 150 in and out

https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/NZ-Agents/Wing-Tips/2021/WTPS-5090-26-Mar-21.pdf

AirNZ put out an travel agent update over the weekend, which gives an few details of there bubble plans.

- From 12 of April, all Red Flights between Australia and New Zealand will end. You must haven been in NZ or AU for more than 14 days before travelling on the Tasman.
- PER services are subject to WA Government.
- 787 services between CHC-MEL.
- Aiming to start at 65% of pre-covid levels.

zkncj wrote:

https://p-airnz.com/cms/assets/NZ-Agents/Wing-Tips/2021/WTPS-5090-26-Mar-21.pdf

AirNZ put out an travel agent update over the weekend, which gives an few details of there bubble plans.

- From 12 of April, all Red Flights between Australia and New Zealand will end. You must haven been in NZ or AU for more than 14 days before travelling on the Tasman.
- PER services are subject to WA Government.
- 787 services between CHC-MEL.
- Aiming to start at 65% of pre-covid levels.

That is a good find thanks for sharing. The CHC to MEL 787 flights run 2 weekly from 30 March to 12 April then it reverts to 320 at 6-7 weekly.

With the latest clusters in QLD, surely Tuesday bubble announcement isn’t going to go well? For travel anytime soon....

zkncj wrote:

With the latest clusters in QLD, surely Tuesday bubble announcement isn’t going to go well? For travel anytime soon....

Given the travel bubble will have to deal with situations like the one in QLD shouldn't mean that the bubble is not opened. They just need to have some framework around what happens when a city like Brisbane or Auckland locks down.

anstar wrote:

zkncj wrote:

With the latest clusters in QLD, surely Tuesday bubble announcement isn’t going to go well? For travel anytime soon....

Given the travel bubble will have to deal with situations like the one in QLD shouldn't mean that the bubble is not opened. They just need to have some framework around what happens when a city like Brisbane or Auckland locks down.

The bubble is about more than Queensland or Auckland. If either is locked down for a period you can still operate happily into all the other ports. Both Wellington and Christchurch haven't had any positive cases for months.

GW54 wrote:

anstar wrote:

zkncj wrote:

With the latest clusters in QLD, surely Tuesday bubble announcement isn’t going to go well? For travel anytime soon....

Given the travel bubble will have to deal with situations like the one in QLD shouldn't mean that the bubble is not opened. They just need to have some framework around what happens when a city like Brisbane or Auckland locks down.

The bubble is about more than Queensland or Auckland. If either is locked down for a period you can still operate happily into all the other ports. Both Wellington and Christchurch haven't had any positive cases for months.

The trick will be how do you restrict people from locked down areas using services where the bubble is open. We saw that when the original one-way travel was openned between NZ and NSW where passengers where connecting with VIC and SA which were closed at the time.

I’ve created a new thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1459367

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