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LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:14 pm

The 763 sure has become a hot model for cargo.


https://www.aircargonews.net/airlines/l ... nversions/

LATAM Airlines will expand its freighter capacity by as much as 80% through the addition of up to eight B767-300ER conversions.

The Santiago-headquartered airline group said the conversion plan will be implemented between 2021-2023.

Upon completion, LATAM will operate a total of 19 767-300ER freighters. “The addition of these aircraft would consolidate LATAM Group as the leading group of cargo operators in South America,” per Andrés Bianchi, LATAM Cargo’s chief executive
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:08 pm

Where are they coming from?.
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:12 pm

Delta or United ? Shame they aren't ordering new ones.
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:12 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Where are they coming from?.


I’d assume they were coming from the passenger operation. There probably is slack in their 787 fleet utilization
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:21 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Where are they coming from?.


I’d assume they were coming from the passenger operation. There probably is slack in their 787 fleet utilization


It might depend on where they will be based, maybe. They already have 5 parked on their Chilean and a further 10 in use. If they convert from these, then their passenger operations will be catered by their B787s

But LATAM Chile has been transferring several of theirs to LATAM Brazil for passenger use. If they now decide to convert those, then either they will transfer them back to Chile or leave them in Brazil.

The other issue is, if they do indeed use their LATAM Brazil's ones, given that LA BR does not use B787s, I wonder what they would use instead...
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:28 pm

Jomar777 wrote:
Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Where are they coming from?.


I’d assume they were coming from the passenger operation. There probably is slack in their 787 fleet utilization


It might depend on where they will be based, maybe. They already have 5 parked on their Chilean and a further 10 in use. If they convert from these, then their passenger operations will be catered by their B787s

But LATAM Chile has been transferring several of theirs to LATAM Brazil for passenger use. If they now decide to convert those, then either they will transfer them back to Chile or leave them in Brazil.

The other issue is, if they do indeed use their LATAM Brazil's ones, given that LA BR does not use B787s, I wonder what they would use instead...


Upgauging the Brazil flights from 767 to 777/A350 may be a bit too much, but may work for a few routes. The 767 passenger fleet has been shrinking since LATAM sold some to UPS, Atlas, Cargojet and SF. Gently used 767s have a pretty high market value since they are great for freighter conversions
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Tue Mar 02, 2021 1:16 am

What about the 777F ? I remember that LATAM Brasil(JJ) had an extra pair(or just 1) of 777-300ER on order and later converted it to the 777F . This order still shows up in the Boeing's backlog ...Maybe they will use this frame as a bargain for a new wide body order to replace those 767's being converted ?
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:11 am

Anyone has any idea where will these conversions carried out? Looking at the recent and planned activities for the various B767 conversion lines, all seems to be booked out in the near future for DHL and Amazon.
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Tue Mar 02, 2021 12:15 pm

MrBryan86 wrote:
Anyone has any idea where will these conversions carried out? Looking at the recent and planned activities for the various B767 conversion lines, all seems to be booked out in the near future for DHL and Amazon.

It is true that Bedek / IAI seems to be booked out in the near future.
LATAM has ordered BCF conversions, see https://ajot.com/news/latam-announces-t ... freighters , so there must have been some conversion slots available. They will likely go to QPG, because all recent 767 BCF conversions are performed there as far as I am aware of.
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:50 pm

a2b7 wrote:
MrBryan86 wrote:
Anyone has any idea where will these conversions carried out? Looking at the recent and planned activities for the various B767 conversion lines, all seems to be booked out in the near future for DHL and Amazon.

It is true that Bedek / IAI seems to be booked out in the near future.
LATAM has ordered BCF conversions, see https://ajot.com/news/latam-announces-t ... freighters , so there must have been some conversion slots available. They will likely go to QPG, because all recent 767 BCF conversions are performed there as far as I am aware of.


Thanks for posting that article link. While it did not specify which B763ER's would be converted, the 2-phase plan (4 soon and another 4 later) seems to point to these aircraft coming from their current B767ER fleet. It is also notable that LATAM has the youngest passenger B767's in the world. These were obtained as compensation when Boeing delayed B787 deliveries of their original order.

Under their bankruptcy reorganization, LATAM returned 4 B789's to lessors, who have placed them in storage in the US. Once LATAM emerges from Chapter 11, I imagine the lessors will be more than glad to work out new leases for these same aircraft?

MatheusLPV wrote:
What about the 777F ? I remember that LATAM Brasil(JJ) had an extra pair(or just 1) of 777-300ER on order and later converted it to the 777F . This order still shows up in the Boeing's backlog ...Maybe they will use this frame as a bargain for a new wide body order to replace those 767's being converted ?


LATAM had 3 B777F's (2 leased, 1 owned), but they apparently moved them on after obtaining 10 B77W's from the merger with TAM. I surmise that at the time, LATAM felt that the substantial underfloor cargo capacity of the B77W's adequately compensated for their lift requirements making the B777F's redundant?

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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:53 am

MatheusLPV wrote:
What about the 777F ? I remember that LATAM Brasil(JJ) had an extra pair(or just 1) of 777-300ER on order and later converted it to the 777F . This order still shows up in the Boeing's backlog ...Maybe they will use this frame as a bargain for a new wide body order to replace those 767's being converted ?


Per LATAM Cargo CEO Andres Bianchi:

“We let the 777 go because it does not fit our network,” he said. “The 767 does fit – we can push it on the longhaul side and, if needed, it can also be deployed in domestic markets.”

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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:57 am

a2b7 wrote:
They will likely go to QPG, because all recent 767 BCF conversions are performed there as far as I am aware of.


Boeing has two contractors currently that do touch labor on the 767-300BCF. The first, as you note, is ST Aero at QPG. The second is EGAT at TPE.

EGAT initially was the expansion line, but recently has been putting out significant volume, leading to ST Aero having to expand the number of lines available at QPG.
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:13 pm

Most aren't even 10 yet. What a waste...
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:37 pm

Tiredofhumanity wrote:
Most aren't even 10 yet. What a waste...


Whyso? This will ensure they have a much longer life than their non-converted brethren.
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Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:36 pm

Spacepope wrote:
Tiredofhumanity wrote:
Most aren't even 10 yet. What a waste...


Whyso? This will ensure they have a much longer life than their non-converted brethren.


It just seems wasteful to convert a 7/ 8 year old airframe from an environmental perspective - freighter conversion is a much more invasive process than, say, an HMV check and generates a lot of landfill waste (miles of wiring, insulation, etc...).
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:54 pm

Tiredofhumanity wrote:
Spacepope wrote:
Tiredofhumanity wrote:
Most aren't even 10 yet. What a waste...


Whyso? This will ensure they have a much longer life than their non-converted brethren.


It just seems wasteful to convert a 7/ 8 year old airframe from an environmental perspective - freighter conversion is a much more invasive process than, say, an HMV check and generates a lot of landfill waste (miles of wiring, insulation, etc...).

If you are looking at it from an environmental prospective then converting is greener than buying new build freighters.
 
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Re: LATAM to expand freighter capacity with 8 additional B767s

Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:09 pm

Polot wrote:
Tiredofhumanity wrote:
Spacepope wrote:

Whyso? This will ensure they have a much longer life than their non-converted brethren.


It just seems wasteful to convert a 7/ 8 year old airframe from an environmental perspective - freighter conversion is a much more invasive process than, say, an HMV check and generates a lot of landfill waste (miles of wiring, insulation, etc...).

If you are looking at it from an environmental prospective then converting is greener than buying new build freighters.

It depends on how you look at it. Greener from a solid waste perspective, or from a long-term emissions perspective. I don't believe the emissions difference between a 742 and a 744 is all that substantial, but from 744 to 748 is a bit more measurable. Obviously we aren't arguing converted 4-holer compared to a large twin.

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