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Pope Francis visit to Iraq

Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:51 am

Hey guys,

Today Pope Francis is expected in Irak.

Will he fly AZ on the way in and IA on the way back?

Can IA fly back to Europe with its own aircraft?

Thanks for the feedback.

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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:43 am

Since 1964 and Pope Paul VI on one way the popes use Alitalia and on the way back a national carrier of a country they visited. So it is just a tradtion to do it that way.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:32 am

Not sure about now but pre Covid, Iraqi Airways served a range of destinations in Europe including Berlin, Copenhagen, Düsseldorf, London (Gatwick), Manchester, Minsk and Stockholm with their brand new fleet of ~20 737-800s. So no issue flying a charter to Rome.

(And thank you RJA321 for correcting the OP’s spelling. “Irak” indeed!!)
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:35 am

He’s flying Alitalia from Rome to Baghdad and back, but internal flights will be on Iraqi Airways and military helicopters.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 8:43 am

The Pope will fly back on Alitalia to Ciampino Airport with the same A330-200 that he’s flying on today.
Flights on the 6th from Baghdad to Imam Ali Air Base and then back to Baghdad will be done with Iraqi Airways equipment.
Flights on the 7th of March to Erbil and back to Baghdad will be flown by Iraqi Airways as well.
Iraqi Air Force will take the Pope with a helicopter to Mosul and Qaraqosh.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:16 am

Iraqi Airways are currently banned from flying within the EU, so the normal convention of the host country taking the Pope back to Rome might not apply here.
That said, heads of state tend to be able to avoid the normal rules...
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/modes/ai ... /search_en
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:26 am

So he flew AZ on an A330. I still wonder about the return trip.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:01 pm

As mentioned earlier, his trip back from Baghdad to Rome Ciampino on March 8 is confirmed to be on AZ too, presumably due to IA being banned from EU airspace (they do operate flights e.g. to BER, but these are all operated with leased aircraft).

However, the Pope will be flying IA on several domestic legs:
March 6:
BGW-NJF
NJF-XNH
XNH-BGW

March 7:
BGW-EBL
EBL-BGW
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:13 pm

There have been numerous occasions on which the Pope returned on Alitalia when the host nation could not provide a suitable aircraft / airline. Even if, the Pope will not travel on any aircraft / airline just to be polite.

The issue of return travel is sometimes subject to public discussions. I remember that it was discussed to some extent before a visit to Ireland when Michael O'Leary said that the Pope should return on Ryanair, pointing out that his airline was the nation's largest carrier. And of course it can be tricky when visiting nations without an obvious flag carrier such as the US.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 5:48 pm

Isn’t the pope also supposed to be going to Iran to meet with Ayatollah soon?
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Iraq

Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:54 pm

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His plane did something strange. I passed Baghdad's airport and continued to head east and crossed over into Iran, before suddenly dropping off the radar. Any idea why?
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Iraq

Fri Mar 05, 2021 7:02 pm

Maybe just the software of the website you used tried to predict some ongoing cruise flight and got surprised by the descent and landing?
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Fri Mar 05, 2021 11:17 pm

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So he flew AZ on an A330. I still wonder about the return trip.


Yes, an A330-200. I read elsewhere that the AZ aircraft was remaining in Iraq and taking Pope Francis back to Rome.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:44 am

artflyer wrote:
Since 1964 and Pope Paul VI on one way the popes use Alitalia and on the way back a national carrier of a country they visited. So it is just a tradtion to do it that way.


Not anymore.

Last decade or so AZ both ways
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Sat Mar 06, 2021 4:02 am

jfklganyc wrote:
artflyer wrote:
Since 1964 and Pope Paul VI on one way the popes use Alitalia and on the way back a national carrier of a country they visited. So it is just a tradtion to do it that way.


Not anymore.

Last decade or so AZ both ways


I was about to say the same. AZ generally deals with papal travel.

Something else to remember - the accords between the Holy See and Italy give the Italian Secret Service the responsibility for protection when outside the Vatican City. I suspect they prefer working with AZ and people they know.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:10 am

jfklganyc wrote:
artflyer wrote:
Since 1964 and Pope Paul VI on one way the popes use Alitalia and on the way back a national carrier of a country they visited. So it is just a tradtion to do it that way.


Not anymore.

Last decade or so AZ both ways


Yes and no. It's been a mix of both AZ and local carriers on the way back:

2015
  • Visit to Cuba and the US: AZ FCO-HAV, AA PHL-CIA
  • Visit to Kenya, Uganda and CAR: AZ on all flights (FCO-NBO-EBB-BGF-CIA

2016
  • Visit to Mexico: AZ FCO-MEX, AM MEX-CJS-CIA
  • Visit to Armenia: AZ on all flights (FCO-EVN-LWN-EVN-CIA)
  • Visit to Poland: AZ FCO-KRK, LO KRK-CIA
  • Visit to Georgia and Azerbaijan: AZ on all flights (FCO-TBS-GYD-CIA)
  • Visit to Sweden: AZ both ways (FCO-MMX-CIA)

2017
  • Visit to Portugal: AZ FCO-QLR, TP QLR-CIA
  • Visit to Egypt: AZ both ways (FCO-CAI-CIA)
  • Visit to Colombia: AZ FCO-BOG, AV BOG-CTG-CIA
  • Visit to Myanmar and Bangladesh: AZ FCO-RGN, BG DAC-CIA

2018
  • Visit to Chile and Peru: AZ FCO-SCL, LP LIM-CIA
  • Visit to Geneva: AZ both ways (FCO-GVA-CIA)
  • Visit to Ireland: AZ FCO-DUB, EI DUB-CIA
  • Visit to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia: AZ FCO-VNO, BT TLL-CIA

2019
  • Visit to Panama: AZ FCO-PTY, AV PTY-CIA
  • Visit to Abu Dhabi: AZ FCO-AUH, EY AUH-CIA
  • Visit to Morocco: AZ FCO-RBA, AT RBA-CIA
  • Visit to Bulgaria and North Macedonia: AZ both ways (FCO-SOF, SKP-CIA)
  • Visit to Romania: AZ FCO-OTP, RO SBZ-CIA
  • Visit to Mozambique, Madagascar and Mauritius: AZ FCO-MPM, MD TNR-CIA
  • Visit to Thailand and Japan: AZ FCO-DMK, NH HND-FCO
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Iraq

Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:15 am

Quick question here ... Is there a reason why the departure is always from FCO but the arrival is always at CIA ?

Is this a gesture of fairness to split the spending on airport fees to both Rome airports, or what is the reason for this procedure ?
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Iraq

Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:38 am

Not sure, but from what I gather it may have to do with the fact that CIA is smaller and easier to handle in terms of security upon arrival. However, there have been exceptions such as the 2019 flight back from Japan.

International departures from FCO are the norm, and a requirement for long haul trips as the runway at CIA is not long enough. Although I have no idea why the Pope always departs from there even on shorter trips, FCO being AZ’s home base does mean that they could quickly sort out any tech issues - as well as saving an otherwise unnecessary ferry flight to CIA. It’s not like CIA is any closer to the Vatican, either.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:21 pm

Airdolomiti wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
artflyer wrote:
Since 1964 and Pope Paul VI on one way the popes use Alitalia and on the way back a national carrier of a country they visited. So it is just a tradtion to do it that way.


Not anymore.

Last decade or so AZ both ways


Yes and no. It's been a mix of both AZ and local carriers on the way back:

2015
  • Visit to Cuba and the US: AZ FCO-HAV, AA PHL-CIA
  • Visit to Kenya, Uganda and CAR: AZ on all flights (FCO-NBO-EBB-BGF-CIA

2016
  • Visit to Mexico: AZ FCO-MEX, AM MEX-CJS-CIA
  • Visit to Armenia: AZ on all flights (FCO-EVN-LWN-EVN-CIA)
  • Visit to Poland: AZ FCO-KRK, LO KRK-CIA
  • Visit to Georgia and Azerbaijan: AZ on all flights (FCO-TBS-GYD-CIA)
  • Visit to Sweden: AZ both ways (FCO-MMX-CIA)

2017
  • Visit to Portugal: AZ FCO-QLR, TP QLR-CIA
  • Visit to Egypt: AZ both ways (FCO-CAI-CIA)
  • Visit to Colombia: AZ FCO-BOG, AV BOG-CTG-CIA
  • Visit to Myanmar and Bangladesh: AZ FCO-RGN, BG DAC-CIA

2018
  • Visit to Chile and Peru: AZ FCO-SCL, LP LIM-CIA
  • Visit to Geneva: AZ both ways (FCO-GVA-CIA)
  • Visit to Ireland: AZ FCO-DUB, EI DUB-CIA
  • Visit to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia: AZ FCO-VNO, BT TLL-CIA

2019
  • Visit to Panama: AZ FCO-PTY, AV PTY-CIA
  • Visit to Abu Dhabi: AZ FCO-AUH, EY AUH-CIA
  • Visit to Morocco: AZ FCO-RBA, AT RBA-CIA
  • Visit to Bulgaria and North Macedonia: AZ both ways (FCO-SOF, SKP-CIA)
  • Visit to Romania: AZ FCO-OTP, RO SBZ-CIA
  • Visit to Mozambique, Madagascar and Mauritius: AZ FCO-MPM, MD TNR-CIA
  • Visit to Thailand and Japan: AZ FCO-DMK, NH HND-FCO



Good info thanks

The hard fast rule of flying the home airline back ended with the last Pope.

They always flew AZ to the US and TWA home.

Last few visits had AZ and possibly AA
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:37 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Airdolomiti wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:

Not anymore.

Last decade or so AZ both ways


Yes and no. It's been a mix of both AZ and local carriers on the way back:

2015
  • Visit to Cuba and the US: AZ FCO-HAV, AA PHL-CIA
  • Visit to Kenya, Uganda and CAR: AZ on all flights (FCO-NBO-EBB-BGF-CIA

2016
  • Visit to Mexico: AZ FCO-MEX, AM MEX-CJS-CIA
  • Visit to Armenia: AZ on all flights (FCO-EVN-LWN-EVN-CIA)
  • Visit to Poland: AZ FCO-KRK, LO KRK-CIA
  • Visit to Georgia and Azerbaijan: AZ on all flights (FCO-TBS-GYD-CIA)
  • Visit to Sweden: AZ both ways (FCO-MMX-CIA)

2017
  • Visit to Portugal: AZ FCO-QLR, TP QLR-CIA
  • Visit to Egypt: AZ both ways (FCO-CAI-CIA)
  • Visit to Colombia: AZ FCO-BOG, AV BOG-CTG-CIA
  • Visit to Myanmar and Bangladesh: AZ FCO-RGN, BG DAC-CIA

2018
  • Visit to Chile and Peru: AZ FCO-SCL, LP LIM-CIA
  • Visit to Geneva: AZ both ways (FCO-GVA-CIA)
  • Visit to Ireland: AZ FCO-DUB, EI DUB-CIA
  • Visit to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia: AZ FCO-VNO, BT TLL-CIA

2019
  • Visit to Panama: AZ FCO-PTY, AV PTY-CIA
  • Visit to Abu Dhabi: AZ FCO-AUH, EY AUH-CIA
  • Visit to Morocco: AZ FCO-RBA, AT RBA-CIA
  • Visit to Bulgaria and North Macedonia: AZ both ways (FCO-SOF, SKP-CIA)
  • Visit to Romania: AZ FCO-OTP, RO SBZ-CIA
  • Visit to Mozambique, Madagascar and Mauritius: AZ FCO-MPM, MD TNR-CIA
  • Visit to Thailand and Japan: AZ FCO-DMK, NH HND-FCO



Good info thanks

The hard fast rule of flying the home airline back ended with the last Pope.

They always flew AZ to the US and TWA home.

Last few visits had AZ and possibly AA


When Pope Francis visited the US in 2015, he flew into JFK and down to PHL and back to Rome on a chartered AA 777-200ER.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Sat Mar 06, 2021 9:43 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Airdolomiti wrote:

Yes and no. It's been a mix of both AZ and local carriers on the way back:

2015
  • Visit to Cuba and the US: AZ FCO-HAV, AA PHL-CIA
  • Visit to Kenya, Uganda and CAR: AZ on all flights (FCO-NBO-EBB-BGF-CIA

2016
  • Visit to Mexico: AZ FCO-MEX, AM MEX-CJS-CIA
  • Visit to Armenia: AZ on all flights (FCO-EVN-LWN-EVN-CIA)
  • Visit to Poland: AZ FCO-KRK, LO KRK-CIA
  • Visit to Georgia and Azerbaijan: AZ on all flights (FCO-TBS-GYD-CIA)
  • Visit to Sweden: AZ both ways (FCO-MMX-CIA)

2017
  • Visit to Portugal: AZ FCO-QLR, TP QLR-CIA
  • Visit to Egypt: AZ both ways (FCO-CAI-CIA)
  • Visit to Colombia: AZ FCO-BOG, AV BOG-CTG-CIA
  • Visit to Myanmar and Bangladesh: AZ FCO-RGN, BG DAC-CIA

2018
  • Visit to Chile and Peru: AZ FCO-SCL, LP LIM-CIA
  • Visit to Geneva: AZ both ways (FCO-GVA-CIA)
  • Visit to Ireland: AZ FCO-DUB, EI DUB-CIA
  • Visit to Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia: AZ FCO-VNO, BT TLL-CIA

2019
  • Visit to Panama: AZ FCO-PTY, AV PTY-CIA
  • Visit to Abu Dhabi: AZ FCO-AUH, EY AUH-CIA
  • Visit to Morocco: AZ FCO-RBA, AT RBA-CIA
  • Visit to Bulgaria and North Macedonia: AZ both ways (FCO-SOF, SKP-CIA)
  • Visit to Romania: AZ FCO-OTP, RO SBZ-CIA
  • Visit to Mozambique, Madagascar and Mauritius: AZ FCO-MPM, MD TNR-CIA
  • Visit to Thailand and Japan: AZ FCO-DMK, NH HND-FCO



Good info thanks

The hard fast rule of flying the home airline back ended with the last Pope.

They always flew AZ to the US and TWA home.

Last few visits had AZ and possibly AA


When Pope Francis visited the US in 2015, he flew into JFK and down to PHL and back to Rome on a chartered AA 777-200ER.



And Benedict was AZ both ways.

The last John Paul visit was a EWR arrival. Who did he fly home on?

That trip had two massive masses in terrible weather. Giants Stadium in the pouring rain and Aqueduct Racetrack where the blazing sun caused people to faint
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Irak

Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:17 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:


Good info thanks

The hard fast rule of flying the home airline back ended with the last Pope.

They always flew AZ to the US and TWA home.

Last few visits had AZ and possibly AA


When Pope Francis visited the US in 2015, he flew into JFK and down to PHL and back to Rome on a chartered AA 777-200ER.



And Benedict was AZ both ways.

The last John Paul visit was a EWR arrival. Who did he fly home on?

That trip had two massive masses in terrible weather. Giants Stadium in the pouring rain and Aqueduct Racetrack where the blazing sun caused people to faint


Pope John Paul II travelled to the US in 1995 and he arrived on an AZ MD11 which had the AZ/Continental logos above the front door (it wasn't the dual painted jet with AZ on one side and CO on the other. That was a CO DC10-30 and this was an MD11). On that trip, he flew back on a chartered jet from Baltimore. I am not sure what airline flew him back to Rome. The last PJPII visit to the US was, I think, in 1999 to/from STL and I think he rode on TWA. Not sure. I am not a chronicler of Popes but I was able to find some footage.
 
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Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:29 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

When Pope Francis visited the US in 2015, he flew into JFK and down to PHL and back to Rome on a chartered AA 777-200ER.



And Benedict was AZ both ways.

The last John Paul visit was a EWR arrival. Who did he fly home on?

That trip had two massive masses in terrible weather. Giants Stadium in the pouring rain and Aqueduct Racetrack where the blazing sun caused people to faint


Pope John Paul II travelled to the US in 1995 and he arrived on an AZ MD11 which had the AZ/Continental logos above the front door (it wasn't the dual painted jet with AZ on one side and CO on the other. That was a CO DC10-30 and this was an MD11). On that trip, he flew back on a chartered jet from Baltimore. I am not sure what airline flew him back to Rome. The last PJPII visit to the US was, I think, in 1999 to/from STL and I think he rode on TWA. Not sure. I am not a chronicler of Popes but I was able to find some footage.


But you are a Chronicler of CO at EWR...and that was the biggest arrival they had there :)
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:04 am

jfklganyc wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:


And Benedict was AZ both ways.

The last John Paul visit was a EWR arrival. Who did he fly home on?

That trip had two massive masses in terrible weather. Giants Stadium in the pouring rain and Aqueduct Racetrack where the blazing sun caused people to faint


Pope John Paul II travelled to the US in 1995 and he arrived on an AZ MD11 which had the AZ/Continental logos above the front door (it wasn't the dual painted jet with AZ on one side and CO on the other. That was a CO DC10-30 and this was an MD11). On that trip, he flew back on a chartered jet from Baltimore. I am not sure what airline flew him back to Rome. The last PJPII visit to the US was, I think, in 1999 to/from STL and I think he rode on TWA. Not sure. I am not a chronicler of Popes but I was able to find some footage.


But you are a Chronicler of CO at EWR...and that was the biggest arrival they had there :)


:)
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:39 am

The flight is enroute back to Rome now.
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:39 am

Unrelated to the topic. But, I noticed the A330 that AZ using for this flight has Irish tail registration (EI-EJK). After further checking on FlightRadar24, noticed all AZ planes now on the air have Irish registration. When did Alitalia go Irish?
 
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Unrelated to the topic. But, I noticed the A330 that AZ using for this flight has Irish tail registration (EI-EJK). After further checking on FlightRadar24, noticed all AZ planes now on the air have Irish registration. When did Alitalia go Irish?

Most of Alitalia’s fleet is leased from Irish-registered companies. This doesn’t mean they couldn’t register the aircraft in Italy. However, AZ (and many other Italian airlines) prefer to keep the Irish registration: I can’t remember the details, but I think it is beneficial in terms of tax deduction on the leasing rates.
 
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amax1977 wrote:
Unrelated to the topic. But, I noticed the A330 that AZ using for this flight has Irish tail registration (EI-EJK). After further checking on FlightRadar24, noticed all AZ planes now on the air have Irish registration. When did Alitalia go Irish?


Most of AZ's planes are leased and registered in Ireland. Has been that way for a time. The lease rates would otherwise be significantly higher, given AZ's financial state and poor credit rating and it is cheaper to lease Ireland registered aircraft.
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 1:27 pm

ContinentalEWR wrote:
amax1977 wrote:
Unrelated to the topic. But, I noticed the A330 that AZ using for this flight has Irish tail registration (EI-EJK). After further checking on FlightRadar24, noticed all AZ planes now on the air have Irish registration. When did Alitalia go Irish?


Most of AZ's planes are leased and registered in Ireland. Has been that way for a time. The lease rates would otherwise be significantly higher, given AZ's financial state and poor credit rating and it is cheaper to lease Ireland registered aircraft.

Those factors are independent of aircraft registration. A leasing company will still consider AZ’s financial state and credit rating when determining lease rates- having an Irish registration doesn’t alter the probability of AZ defaulting. Usually if an airline is operating a foreign registered aircraft it is for favorable tax or accounting reasons.
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:04 pm

Wouldn't the country of registration play a role if the aircraft has to be repossessed ?

I remember reading about the registration changes for AZ a few years ago here, don't remember the details. Was sale-leaseback involved ?
 
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Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:13 pm

Polot wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:
amax1977 wrote:
Unrelated to the topic. But, I noticed the A330 that AZ using for this flight has Irish tail registration (EI-EJK). After further checking on FlightRadar24, noticed all AZ planes now on the air have Irish registration. When did Alitalia go Irish?


Most of AZ's planes are leased and registered in Ireland. Has been that way for a time. The lease rates would otherwise be significantly higher, given AZ's financial state and poor credit rating and it is cheaper to lease Ireland registered aircraft.

Those factors are independent of aircraft registration. A leasing company will still consider AZ’s financial state and credit rating when determining lease rates- having an Irish registration doesn’t alter the probability of AZ defaulting. Usually if an airline is operating a foreign registered aircraft it is for favorable tax or accounting reasons.


I understand that privately-owned airlines would do all kinds of tricks to reduce their tax! But, for an airline like Alitalia that is entirely owned by the Government of Italy, registering planes in a foreign country to escape from paying government tax, that just sounds and looks funny!
 
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Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:14 pm

Airdolomiti wrote:
Visit to Mozambique, Madagascar and Mauritius: AZ FCO-MPM, MD TNR-CIA

TNR-MRU was on MD and MRU-TNR was on MK's A330-900
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2021 1:02 pm

3BNBE wrote:
Airdolomiti wrote:
Visit to Mozambique, Madagascar and Mauritius: AZ FCO-MPM, MD TNR-CIA

TNR-MRU was on MD and MRU-TNR was on MK's A330-900


That's right, and he also flew LAM (737-700) on MPM-TNR. I only included outbound and inbound flights from/to Italy in my post as otherwise the list would have been too long.
 
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Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:20 pm

amax1977 wrote:
Polot wrote:
ContinentalEWR wrote:

Most of AZ's planes are leased and registered in Ireland. Has been that way for a time. The lease rates would otherwise be significantly higher, given AZ's financial state and poor credit rating and it is cheaper to lease Ireland registered aircraft.

Those factors are independent of aircraft registration. A leasing company will still consider AZ’s financial state and credit rating when determining lease rates- having an Irish registration doesn’t alter the probability of AZ defaulting. Usually if an airline is operating a foreign registered aircraft it is for favorable tax or accounting reasons.


I understand that privately-owned airlines would do all kinds of tricks to reduce their tax! But, for an airline like Alitalia that is entirely owned by the Government of Italy, registering planes in a foreign country to escape from paying government tax, that just sounds and looks funny!


And it's not just AZ. I've seen other carriers do something similar; AM comes to mind, noticed some of theirs carry N registrations. I know airlines are chasing the most advantageous leasing/insurance/tax deals they can find. But it sure does look funny, especially when the carrier is perceived to be a flag one. It doesn't look patriotic nor a vote of confidence in that nation's legal and financial systems.
 
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amax1977 wrote:
Polot wrote:
Those factors are independent of aircraft registration. A leasing company will still consider AZ’s financial state and credit rating when determining lease rates- having an Irish registration doesn’t alter the probability of AZ defaulting. Usually if an airline is operating a foreign registered aircraft it is for favorable tax or accounting reasons.


I understand that privately-owned airlines would do all kinds of tricks to reduce their tax! But, for an airline like Alitalia that is entirely owned by the Government of Italy, registering planes in a foreign country to escape from paying government tax, that just sounds and looks funny!


And it's not just AZ. I've seen other carriers do something similar; AM comes to mind, noticed some of theirs carry N registrations. I know airlines are chasing the most advantageous leasing/insurance/tax deals they can find. But it sure does look funny, especially when the carrier is perceived to be a flag one. It doesn't look patriotic nor a vote of confidence in that nation's legal and financial systems.


The average flyer wouldn't notice the registration code or pay attention to the country of registry. Many airline fleets are leased, so it's not really as odd as sounds. AZ though is a flying billboard for how an airline should not be run.
 
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Re: Pope Francis visit to Iraq

Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:29 am

rida79 wrote:
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His plane did something strange. I passed Baghdad's airport and continued to head east and crossed over into Iran, before suddenly dropping off the radar. Any idea why?


Look at the tag you had an estimated track because it lost tracking from ground stations and kept flying until being picked back up near the airport and landing. If lost tracking an estimate on flightradar keeps flying same path and speed for X miles, in a direction to the airport or same current path if flightradar had no destination for the flight.

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