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Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 8:17 pm

AIN reporting that Textron is ceasing production of the King Air 90 and Citation Sovereign:

Textron Aviation has ended production of its Cessna Citation Sovereign+ midsize business jet and Beechcraft King Air C90 GTx twin-turboprop, the OEM confirmed to AIN today. Demand for both airplanes had slipped in recent years while Textron Aviation noted its action was based on a continuous alignment of product offerings with current and future market demand.


The Sovereign doesn't really surprise me, the Latitude pretty much killed off that model, to say nothing of the Challenger 350 and Legacy 450/500. The King Air is a bit more surprising, or at least disappointing. The 90 was always a niche model but I'll miss it!

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news ... their-rule
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:51 pm

When will the last ones be delivered?
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:57 pm

It seems that the sustained success of the PC-12 and other pressurized single turboprops has really killed off demand for the King Air 90 and there are enough on the used market for those that demand a twin.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:01 pm

Threw me for a second. Obviously, the -200 and -300 King Airs are still going to be built.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:05 pm

Is fuel efficiency of a turboprop that much better over a light jet like the CJ3+ or Phenom? I can't really imagine why someone would want a new King Air otherwise.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:26 pm

Is the Cessna 408 a King Air replacement?
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:28 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is the Cessna 408 a King Air replacement?



I don't know really, the only order I heard of is FX, so I don't know if they target same market
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:29 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Is fuel efficiency of a turboprop that much better over a light jet like the CJ3+ or Phenom? I can't really imagine why someone would want a new King Air otherwise.


Well, in the case of the KA 200 / 350; on a per passenger basis, yes plus more room.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:18 am

Pardon my ignorance concerning the King Air range - does the C90 differ significantly from the 200/300? Wondering why they don't see fit to still produce it if someone is interested, given that the King Air line will stay in place.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:20 am

drdisque wrote:
It seems that the sustained success of the PC-12 and other pressurized single turboprops has really killed off demand for the King Air 90 and there are enough on the used market for those that demand a twin.


I'd add the immanent introduction of Textron's own pressurized single turboprop - the Denali. They would have competed in a similar price range and with similar performances.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:50 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is the Cessna 408 a King Air replacement?


I doubt it with the Skycourier being an unpressurized utility plane for logistics and passenger transport.
I see the Denali in the role of an undeclared King Air 90 replacement, aiming for a similar owner-pilots customer base.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:25 am

drdisque wrote:
It seems that the sustained success of the PC-12 and other pressurized single turboprops has really killed off demand for the King Air 90 and there are enough on the used market for those that demand a twin.


Still, they got 57 years out of the design with minimal investment...
 
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:43 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance concerning the King Air range - does the C90 differ significantly from the 200/300? Wondering why they don't see fit to still produce it if someone is interested, given that the King Air line will stay in place.


Much smaller cabin-6 vs up to 9/10
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:09 pm

vfw614 wrote:
Pardon my ignorance concerning the King Air range - does the C90 differ significantly from the 200/300? Wondering why they don't see fit to still produce it if someone is interested, given that the King Air line will stay in place.


The 90 serires has a smaller cabin, different tail, different landing gear, and different wing. The 200/300 series can also fly higher and faster.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:55 pm

TTailedTiger wrote:
Is fuel efficiency of a turboprop that much better over a light jet like the CJ3+ or Phenom? I can't really imagine why someone would want a new King Air otherwise.


The efficiency is better on short range.

The difference is price and field performance.

A used CJ3 or Phenom is over $3MM I see used C90's selling well under $500k and high hour ones can sell in the $200k range.

Additionally, the CJ3 and Phenom can't realistically make it off 3000-4000 ft. runways with any viable payload or fuel/range while the C90 can. The C90 can also do unprepared strips if necessary.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:49 pm

The beauty of the bigger King Airs is that they can get into smaller runways, one of the reasons they tend to be popular as a medevac aircraft even though the interior is quite cramped to work in.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:24 pm

There were a few King Air 90s made with the T-Tails like that of the Super King Airs.... What was the reason behind that?
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:08 pm

nws2002 wrote:
The 90 serires has a smaller cabin, different tail, different landing gear, and different wing.


Apart from that, they're almost identical! :lol:
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:28 pm

FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
There were a few King Air 90s made with the T-Tails like that of the Super King Airs.... What was the reason behind that?


F90s.

Few were built because they were kind of a neither fish nor foul aircraft. However, they were both fast and attractive. Never lots of takers...
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:30 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is the Cessna 408 a King Air replacement?



I don't know really, the only order I heard of is FX, so I don't know if they target same market


At one point, the Raytheon (then owner of Hawker and Beech) estimated there was a 300+ aircraft market for a B1900, and the average low time 1900 was on the market for less than 6 weeks.

Upshot, once the 1900 went away, really only the 350 had similar capability and less room (despite the fact the 350 is a gem of a personal/corporate aircraft.)
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:32 pm

drdisque wrote:
It seems that the sustained success of the PC-12 and other pressurized single turboprops has really killed off demand for the King Air 90 and there are enough on the used market for those that demand a twin.


From a risk standpoint, I certainly appreciated doing overwater or overmountain with two engines, versus watching the U-28 peeps go out with one turning in front.
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:41 pm

acecrackshot wrote:
FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
There were a few King Air 90s made with the T-Tails like that of the Super King Airs.... What was the reason behind that?


F90s.

Few were built because they were kind of a neither fish nor foul aircraft. However, they were both fast and attractive. Never lots of takers...


The F90 was a fun aircraft to fly though. It had higher shaft hp engines than the C or even E90s, so it climbed well. It was a short cabin King Air for those who didn't need the extra room and weight of a 200, but wanted better performance than the other 90s. But as the C90 series improved (C90A, C90B), the niche for F90 wasn't there anymore (the E90 went away, too).

More info on the 90 series: https://blog.wepushtin.com/blog/history ... r-e90-h90/
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 9:51 pm

FlyHossD wrote:
acecrackshot wrote:
FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
There were a few King Air 90s made with the T-Tails like that of the Super King Airs.... What was the reason behind that?


F90s.

Few were built because they were kind of a neither fish nor foul aircraft. However, they were both fast and attractive. Never lots of takers...


The F90 was a fun aircraft to fly though. It had higher shaft hp engines than the C or even E90s, so it climbed well. It was a short cabin King Air for those who didn't need the extra room and weight of a 200, but wanted better performance than the other 90s. But as the C90 series improved (C90A, C90B), the niche for F90 wasn't there anymore (the E90 went away, too).

More info on the 90 series: https://blog.wepushtin.com/blog/history ... r-e90-h90/


Thanks for the information. Much appreciated!
 
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Re: Textron announces end of production for King Air 90 & Citation Sovereign

Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:29 pm

aemoreira1981 wrote:
Is the Cessna 408 a King Air replacement?

No... Way too slow for that.

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