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Hawaiian Flight 86 (HNL-MCO) Inaugural Flight enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:47 am

Congratulations Hawaiian Airlines. I hope your new service to Orlando twice a week is a success! Inaugural flight is airborne...
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86...Inaugural Flight..enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:18 am

How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:22 am

LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?


Close to 9 hours.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:25 am

LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?


Hawaiian also does HNL-BOS/JFK, both are longer than HNL-MCO.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:26 am

LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?


I think Hawaiian flight 90 is the longest US domestic route (HNL-BOS). Edges HNL-MCO out by about 300 more miles direct
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86...Inaugural Flight..enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:27 am

LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?

HNL-BOS is still the longest followed by JFK.

HNL BOS 5,095 mi
HNL JFK 4,983 mi
HNL MCO 4,757 mi
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86...Inaugural Flight..enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:25 am

FlyinRabbit88 wrote:
LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?

HNL-BOS is still the longest followed by JFK.

HNL BOS 5,095 mi
HNL JFK 4,983 mi
HNL MCO 4,757 mi

How far is the HNL-Guam flight on UA?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:28 am

stl07 wrote:
FlyinRabbit88 wrote:
LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?

HNL-BOS is still the longest followed by JFK.

HNL BOS 5,095 mi
HNL JFK 4,983 mi
HNL MCO 4,757 mi

How far is the HNL-Guam flight on UA?


Great Circle Mapper has it at 3,801 mi. Isn't that an island hopper flight? Or is there also a nonstop HNL-GUM?
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:29 am

fraspotter wrote:
stl07 wrote:
FlyinRabbit88 wrote:
HNL-BOS is still the longest followed by JFK.

HNL BOS 5,095 mi
HNL JFK 4,983 mi
HNL MCO 4,757 mi

How far is the HNL-Guam flight on UA?


Isn't that an island hopper flight? Or is there also a nonstop HNL-GUM?

Both. the nonstop is on a 772

no clue if either are operating during the pandemic
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86...Inaugural Flight..enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:51 am

stl07 wrote:
fraspotter wrote:
stl07 wrote:
How far is the HNL-Guam flight on UA?


Isn't that an island hopper flight? Or is there also a nonstop HNL-GUM?

Both. the nonstop is on a 772

no clue if either are operating during the pandemic


Both the hopper and nonstops are still operating. The nonstop is UA200/201.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86 (HNL-MCO) Inaugural Flight enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:22 pm

By the way, getting back to the topic, interesting that the plane sits for 24 hours before the scheduled return flight next morning. 7am arrival today Friday...Departs 8:25 Saturday a.m.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:33 pm

It would be interesting to know what the passenger loads were.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:43 pm

crownvic wrote:
Congratulations Hawaiian Airlines. I hope your new service to Orlando twice a week is a success! Inaugural flight is airborne...


Interesting flight path- looks like they intentionally avoided Mexican airspace:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL ... /PHNL/KMCO
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:08 pm

miaami wrote:
It would be interesting to know what the passenger loads were.


Why? Because this plane could not make it with a full load?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:11 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Congratulations Hawaiian Airlines. I hope your new service to Orlando twice a week is a success! Inaugural flight is airborne...


Interesting flight path- looks like they intentionally avoided Mexican airspace:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL ... /PHNL/KMCO


Possibly to fly a route in the event of emergency to land at airports where they can transfer pax to another flight if needed? LAX, SAN, PHX, DFW are on the route it flew
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:11 pm

TeamLH wrote:
miaami wrote:
It would be interesting to know what the passenger loads were.


Why? Because this plane could not make it with a full load?


I'm curious about the loads as well, how many pax actually flew/tried the route
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:12 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Congratulations Hawaiian Airlines. I hope your new service to Orlando twice a week is a success! Inaugural flight is airborne...


Interesting flight path- looks like they intentionally avoided Mexican airspace:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL ... /PHNL/KMCO


I don’t think it was intentional. They flew pretty close to the great circle path between HNL and MCO.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:13 pm

TeamLH wrote:
miaami wrote:
It would be interesting to know what the passenger loads were.


Why? Because this plane could not make it with a full load?


Umm.. or because many want to know how a new route during COVID that is longhaul is doing?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:36 pm

TeamLH wrote:
miaami wrote:
It would be interesting to know what the passenger loads were.


Why? Because this plane could not make it with a full load?


The loads would basically tell us whether or not there's a market for such a route.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86 (HNL-MCO) Inaugural Flight enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:39 pm

crownvic wrote:
By the way, getting back to the topic, interesting that the plane sits for 24 hours before the scheduled return flight next morning. 7am arrival today Friday...Departs 8:25 Saturday a.m.


The crews need a rest period, and there's no real need to get the plane turned around quickly during a period of dramatically reduced passenger traffic.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:59 pm

Does anyone know if meals are served?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:25 pm

orlandocfi wrote:
tjwgrr wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Congratulations Hawaiian Airlines. I hope your new service to Orlando twice a week is a success! Inaugural flight is airborne...


Interesting flight path- looks like they intentionally avoided Mexican airspace:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL ... /PHNL/KMCO


I don’t think it was intentional. They flew pretty close to the great circle path between HNL and MCO.


It's intentional in the sense of sticking to established airways; IINM there is no eastbound airway south of the one they use (even Hawaii-SAN flights typically make landfall closer to LAX than to SAN). And at that point, avoiding Mexico is probably optimal from a wind perspective.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86 (HNL-MCO) Inaugural Flight enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:29 pm

tjwgrr wrote:
crownvic wrote:
Congratulations Hawaiian Airlines. I hope your new service to Orlando twice a week is a success! Inaugural flight is airborne...


Interesting flight path- looks like they intentionally avoided Mexican airspace:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/HAL ... /PHNL/KMCO


Pretty much all Hawaii - ConUS flights avoid Mexican airspace so as not to incur ATC overflight fees. Track any UA HNL-IAH or AA Hawaii-DFW flight.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86 (HNL-MCO) Inaugural Flight enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:43 pm

I'm curious what the market would be for two big vacation cities. Are they relying on lots of Hawaii folks heading to the big Orlando theme parks? Would there be a big market for folks in Orlando traveling to Hawaii for a vacation when there are loads of nice beaches 2 hours or less away?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 4:45 pm

Flight was pretty full, yes there are meals and a 3rd frequency has already been added to the schedule starting in June.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:12 pm

ScottB wrote:
crownvic wrote:
By the way, getting back to the topic, interesting that the plane sits for 24 hours before the scheduled return flight next morning. 7am arrival today Friday...Departs 8:25 Saturday a.m.


The crews need a rest period, and there's no real need to get the plane turned around quickly during a period of dramatically reduced passenger traffic.


The 25 hour layover gives plenty of time for crews to get their rest and operate the plane’s return flight to HNL. The alternative means having to have crews stay in MCO hotels for several nights so there’s another crew to take the plane right back to HNL. With little of Hawaiian’s international network operating, they have plenty of excess aircraft capacity so they can afford to have the plane sit so long in MCO; it would otherwise probably just be sitting in HNL anyway. As demand picks up, I expect we’ll see Hawaiian adjust the schedule to bring the plane back to HNL sooner, and if the route proves popular to warrant a daily (or near daily) flights, then we’ll see that as well.

Hawaiian isn’t the only one doing this sort of thing. JAL just resumed their NRT-SAN flight with a similar schedule that sees the 787 spend the day and night in San Diego.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:22 pm

crownvic wrote:
By the way, getting back to the topic, interesting that the plane sits for 24 hours before the scheduled return flight next morning. 7am arrival today Friday...Departs 8:25 Saturday a.m.

Lots of time for a nice deep clean.

Did they get a water cannon on arrival?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:29 pm

readytotaxi wrote:
crownvic wrote:
By the way, getting back to the topic, interesting that the plane sits for 24 hours before the scheduled return flight next morning. 7am arrival today Friday...Departs 8:25 Saturday a.m.

Lots of time for a nice deep clean.

Did they get a water cannon on arrival?


yes there was a double water cannon salute taxiing in...Local news reports plane was full, but my guess is a lot of freebies for those entitled to such..
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 5:41 pm

how full was the flight?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 6:54 pm

There were far more revenue passengers than non-revs. Put it that way.

HAL is leaving the plane for 24 hours in BOS and JFK as well.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:05 pm

pilotsmallz wrote:
I'm curious what the market would be for two big vacation cities. Are they relying on lots of Hawaii folks heading to the big Orlando theme parks? Would there be a big market for folks in Orlando traveling to Hawaii for a vacation when there are loads of nice beaches 2 hours or less away?


The target would be Hawaii citizens, much like HA's service to LAS targets Hawaii citizens.

In a post-COVID environment, I do think this service will cease to exist as HA focuses its A330 on western U.S./ northeast U.S. markets which would have reopened by then.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:09 pm

FlyinRabbit88 wrote:
LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?

HNL-BOS is still the longest followed by JFK.

HNL BOS 5,095 mi
HNL JFK 4,983 mi
HNL MCO 4,757 mi


Is that the 330 I see parked behind Delta's old Cargo 67 building for JFK-HNL
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 7:15 pm

DKNEF wrote:
I was able to feel the window getting warmer as we headed south in to Kona from SJC.

You'd experience the same thing even if flying over the arctic in winter, if your window was pointing towards the sun.

The air temp that you're flying through, even above the tropics, is well below 0 (both Fahrenheit and Centigrade)-- so location definitely wasn't the reason why your window was warming.



phatfarmlines wrote:
In a post-COVID environment, I do think this service will cease to exist as HA focuses its A330 on western U.S./ northeast U.S. markets which would have reopened by then.

Why? What significant western/northeast US market is being denied capacity, due to this flight?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:13 pm

Looks like it arrived at Gate 90 (Airside 4). Surprised they aren’t using Airside 1 (Gates 1-29) to be alongside B6 for connections. Any B6 connections would have to take the tram to the Main Terminal, exit security and walk to the west TSA checkpoint, re-clear TSA and take the tram to Airside 1.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:31 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Looks like it arrived at Gate 90 (Airside 4). Surprised they aren’t using Airside 1 (Gates 1-29) to be alongside B6 for connections. Any B6 connections would have to take the tram to the Main Terminal, exit security and walk to the west TSA checkpoint, re-clear TSA and take the tram to Airside 1.

Sure, but I think this flight is very O&D-focused so it wouldn't (shouldn't) matter, right?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:38 pm

They're not selling connections to B6 on this flight. B6 isnt putting its code onto this flight. So there are no connections unless people go through the process of building them themselves.

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Looks like it arrived at Gate 90 (Airside 4). Surprised they aren’t using Airside 1 (Gates 1-29) to be alongside B6 for connections. Any B6 connections would have to take the tram to the Main Terminal, exit security and walk to the west TSA checkpoint, re-clear TSA and take the tram to Airside 1.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:45 pm

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Why? What significant western/northeast US market is being denied capacity, due to this flight?


The LA Basin area offers the same entertainment venues that Orlando offers. Once those open back up in the LA area, demand would shift back to those places. Plus, do Hawaiian citizens really want to experience an Orlando summer that is very different from a LA summer?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 8:50 pm

stl07 wrote:
FlyinRabbit88 wrote:
LASVegan wrote:
How long is that flight?? I’m guessing longest US domestic flight ever?

HNL-BOS is still the longest followed by JFK.

HNL BOS 5,095 mi
HNL JFK 4,983 mi
HNL MCO 4,757 mi

How far is the HNL-Guam flight on UA?


Doesn't UA have a cargo-only flight to Guam from LAX?
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:11 pm

hawaiian717 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
crownvic wrote:
By the way, getting back to the topic, interesting that the plane sits for 24 hours before the scheduled return flight next morning. 7am arrival today Friday...Departs 8:25 Saturday a.m.


The crews need a rest period, and there's no real need to get the plane turned around quickly during a period of dramatically reduced passenger traffic.


The 25 hour layover gives plenty of time for crews to get their rest and operate the plane’s return flight to HNL. The alternative means having to have crews stay in MCO hotels for several nights so there’s another crew to take the plane right back to HNL. With little of Hawaiian’s international network operating, they have plenty of excess aircraft capacity so they can afford to have the plane sit so long in MCO; it would otherwise probably just be sitting in HNL anyway. As demand picks up, I expect we’ll see Hawaiian adjust the schedule to bring the plane back to HNL sooner, and if the route proves popular to warrant a daily (or near daily) flights, then we’ll see that as well.

Hawaiian isn’t the only one doing this sort of thing. JAL just resumed their NRT-SAN flight with a similar schedule that sees the 787 spend the day and night in San Diego.


This will be one nice layover for the HA crew. The weather is absolutely perfect here in the Orlando area today. I don't think there will be too many "slam-click's" on this overnight!
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:33 pm

Not to nitpick, but Hawaii is still part of the US. The correct term to use would be "Hawaii residents."
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:55 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
hawaiian717 wrote:
ScottB wrote:

The crews need a rest period, and there's no real need to get the plane turned around quickly during a period of dramatically reduced passenger traffic.


The 25 hour layover gives plenty of time for crews to get their rest and operate the plane’s return flight to HNL. The alternative means having to have crews stay in MCO hotels for several nights so there’s another crew to take the plane right back to HNL. With little of Hawaiian’s international network operating, they have plenty of excess aircraft capacity so they can afford to have the plane sit so long in MCO; it would otherwise probably just be sitting in HNL anyway. As demand picks up, I expect we’ll see Hawaiian adjust the schedule to bring the plane back to HNL sooner, and if the route proves popular to warrant a daily (or near daily) flights, then we’ll see that as well.

Hawaiian isn’t the only one doing this sort of thing. JAL just resumed their NRT-SAN flight with a similar schedule that sees the 787 spend the day and night in San Diego.


This will be one nice layover for the HA crew. The weather is absolutely perfect here in the Orlando area today. I don't think there will be too many "slam-click's" on this overnight!


Amen! Am here supporting the flight "internally" and the weather is 100%...where are those 3p thunderstorms??? ;)
Looking forward to the departure tomorrow...today's arrival went more or less as planned. This route has some real potential...sometimes you don't know it until you do it
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:02 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
This will be one nice layover for the HA crew. The weather is absolutely perfect here in the Orlando area today. I don't think there will be too many "slam-click's" on this overnight!


I can't really imagine anyone from Hawaii going to Orlando for the weather.

KMCOFlyer wrote:
Looks like it arrived at Gate 90 (Airside 4). Surprised they aren’t using Airside 1 (Gates 1-29) to be alongside B6 for connections. Any B6 connections would have to take the tram to the Main Terminal, exit security and walk to the west TSA checkpoint, re-clear TSA and take the tram to Airside 1.


No one's going to connect from B6 to a flight departing at 0825.
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:05 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Why? What significant western/northeast US market is being denied capacity, due to this flight?

The LA Basin area offers the same entertainment venues that Orlando offers. Once those open back up in the LA area, demand would shift back to those places.

But you didn't answer my question: what market(s) are being DENIED capacity due to this?
The answer is: none.

Hawaiian, and plenty of competing carriers, offer nonstop service to the islands from every west coast location with a strip of pavement longer than a driveway.
If nothing else, HI is looking to differentiate themselves, by chasing a market others won't likely follow.



phatfarmlines wrote:
Plus, do Hawaiian citizens really want to experience an Orlando summer that is very different from a LA summer?

Um, what....
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:30 pm

Are the flights timed for connecting passengers from SYD, BNE, AKL, ICN and HND? There's always high down under interest in Orlando and Florida. HA will be a lower cost competitor than QF/AA which pre-COVID was expensive.
 
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Are the flights timed for connecting passengers from SYD, BNE, AKL, ICN and HND? There's always high down under interest in Orlando and Florida. HA will be a lower cost competitor than QF/AA which pre-COVID was expensive.

Several of those aren't even operating, and (with admittedly only a few skimmed spot checks) the other ones don't price out.

Also, found several Saturdays where HI was no less expensive than the more established HNL cnnx (ATL, IAH, DFW, etc) from MCO... so not sure why you're assuming that island-side connections would be less expensive than carriers that offer multiple routing options.

This flight is primarily about bringing MCO O&D to the islands, that's what it's after.
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:51 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Why? What significant western/northeast US market is being denied capacity, due to this flight?

The LA Basin area offers the same entertainment venues that Orlando offers. Once those open back up in the LA area, demand would shift back to those places.

But you didn't answer my question: what market(s) are being DENIED capacity due to this?
The answer is: none.

Hawaiian, and plenty of competing carriers, offer nonstop service to the islands from every west coast location with a strip of pavement longer than a driveway.
If nothing else, HI is looking to differentiate themselves, by chasing a market others won't likely follow.


You are correct that service still exists to these destinations, but is it at the same ASMs as 2019? No. That's where capacity is being shifted to places like MCO.

LAX772LR wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
Plus, do Hawaiian citizens really want to experience an Orlando summer that is very different from a LA summer?

Um, what....


Orlando summer: humid and rainy (near-daily thunderstorm activity)

LA summer: not as humid with little rain
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:54 pm

phatfarmlines wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
The LA Basin area offers the same entertainment venues that Orlando offers. Once those open back up in the LA area, demand would shift back to those places.

But you didn't answer my question: what market(s) are being DENIED capacity due to this?
The answer is: none.

Hawaiian, and plenty of competing carriers, offer nonstop service to the islands from every west coast location with a strip of pavement longer than a driveway.
If nothing else, HI is looking to differentiate themselves, by chasing a market others won't likely follow.


You are correct that service still exists to these destinations, but is it at the same ASMs as 2019? No. That's where capacity is being shifted to places like MCO.

But why are you assuming that those former ASMs would translate to superior RASM over what the airline has chosen to expand to currently?



phatfarmlines wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
Plus, do Hawaiian citizens really want to experience an Orlando summer that is very different from a LA summer?

Um, what....

Orlando summer: humid and rainy (near-daily thunderstorm activity)
LA summer: not as humid with little rain

I spent 4 decades living on the Gulf Coast, I've no need of you to explain the southeast's weather... I'm asking you to explain why on earth you believe that THAT would be a travel impediment to an island-based people. :lol:
 
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Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:59 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
phatfarmlines wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
But you didn't answer my question: what market(s) are being DENIED capacity due to this?
The answer is: none.

Hawaiian, and plenty of competing carriers, offer nonstop service to the islands from every west coast location with a strip of pavement longer than a driveway.
If nothing else, HI is looking to differentiate themselves, by chasing a market others won't likely follow.


You are correct that service still exists to these destinations, but is it at the same ASMs as 2019? No. That's where capacity is being shifted to places like MCO.

But why are you assuming that those former ASMs would translate to superior RASM over what the airline has chosen to expand to currently?



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LAX772LR wrote:
Um, what....

Orlando summer: humid and rainy (near-daily thunderstorm activity)
LA summer: not as humid with little rain

I spent 4 decades living on the Gulf Coast, I've no need of you to explain the weather... I'm asking you to explain why on earth you believe that THAT would be a travel impediment to an island-based people. :lol:


Looks like we have posters on A.net who are much smarter and more insightful than Hawaiian’s Network Planning team. I’m sure they forgot to think about how Hawaii residents will view the weather in Orlando when deciding to launch the flight .
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86 (HNL-MCO) Inaugural Flight enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:02 pm

x1234 wrote:
Are the flights timed for connecting passengers from SYD, BNE, AKL, ICN and HND? There's always high down under interest in Orlando and Florida. HA will be a lower cost competitor than QF/AA which pre-COVID was expensive.


SYD and BNE appear to be possible, I didn't check the other ones. The eastbound would be pretty brutal though with back to back redeyes. I can't imagine many Aussies wanting to do that in one go. I suspect they'd rather stopover in HNL or somewhere in the western CONUS than going straight through.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Flight 86...Inaugural Flight..enroute

Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:06 pm

BoeingGuy wrote:
Looks like we have posters on A.net who are much smarter and more insightful than Hawaiian’s Network Planning team. I’m sure they forgot to think about how Hawaii residents will view the weather in Orlando when deciding to launch the flight .

Right??

It's like: "Hmm, the largest leisure destination in the country, with no inherent hub carrier who'll challenge a nonstop, a growing Hawaiian population, and a state economy that's recovering faster than most others"....

....versus launching Fresno! Decisions decisions!

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