Revelation wrote:Hurrah, it only took four months after "launch" to be able to give some numbers for the plane and produce a photoshop drawing of it and put together a web page.
I agree it would have been better for us enthusiasts to have known the specifications when Airbus disclosed that they would be offering the A350F to potential customers, but I suspect the people who needed to know its details have done so for a long time and it’s just now hitting the press as there could be some orders placed.
It could be worse, we have known the specifications of the 777X since what 2013? And it seems plausible that it will not enter service until late 2024 or even 2025 at this rate, taking just 12 years from being announced until entering service. In fact, earlier in this thread I said jokingly that it would not surprise me if we see the A350F enter service before the 779X. Well if Airbus get some orders for the A350F this week, then I really could see it happening.
Revelation wrote:This has been mentioned several times over the 30+ pages of this thread.
Also, on page 1 of this thread it was mentioned that the program would need 50 orders to be viable, yet here we are months later, with maybe an order from one leasing firm, presumably not for 50 airframes.
It would surprise me to see any single customer order 50 frames at this time, especially with the 77W conversations still somewhat of an unknown as well as what if any future regulation may restrict operations of older frames. I suspect Airbus is playing the long game here, this is a new market segment for them and has been discussed countless times a relatively cheap, low risk endeavour.
The A350 is already a highly successful, profitable project, should they manage to sell and only sell 50 frames within the next decade, whist disappointing It will not sink the program. However, for its competitor 50 frames accounts for almost a quarter, perhaps a fifth or its entire order book and without a monopoly on the large freighter market allowing them to charge exorbitant rates for a possible 77XF then there is a serious risk that the entire project will fail to ever make a profit.
Revelation wrote:Funny we don't mention that potential EY and KE orders are said to involve conversions of orders of other Airbus models (EY converting A320neo, KE converting A350), yet this gets mentioned early and often for 77XF potential orders.
Perhaps that’s because the A350 is certified and able to be delivered? It would also follow that said customer would not have as much room to negotiate with Airbus as they would with Boeing due to the significant delays with the 777X program. Well with the obvious exception of AAB, but even then I don’t think he has as much of a strangle hold on Airbus as STC does on Boeing – So who knows? got to wait and see I guess.
As a side note and a bit of fun: You quoted the Bruce Springsteen song Local Hero a few pages ago specifically the lyric “I can't tell my courage from my desperation” when discussing why Airbus would release a freighter variant. Well, now that they have, and it both seems like it will be much more capable than we thought and it has customers. Then I’d like to suggest the Monroe song “What to you want from me” as the Boeing anthem. It seems to fit their current predicament with the 77XF well. As they watch the last market segment they had a monopoly over end, and the chances of ever making money on the 77X become increasingly slim. the lines:
It's not how it used to be
You've taken my life away
Seem quite poignant. Boeing is certainly not how it used to be