sfojvjets wrote:Wneast wrote:Some might think about this as crazy but what about them partnering with WN on the American side for feeder flights it would greatly benefit both of them. WN passengers would fill Norse planes with them wanting to go to Europe and then Norse being able to have there passengers continue on to USA destinations they don’t serve
I would think that Norse would benefit from a partner short-haul network much, much more on the European side. They seem to want to cater largely to US-based customers who want to go to Europe for cheap, and these are the kinds of passengers who fly airlines like Vueling, Ryanair, Easyjet, etc on intra-European short-haul.
Even if they were to partner with an American lcc, it would most likely not be WN. WN does not fly to JFK or EWR so would be absolutely useless if they wanted feed directly from the NYC area intl airports.
However, an airline with a decently strong network at JFK/EWR, FLL, & LAX is B6. B6 is likely the "ideal" US feeder they are aiming for. Even still I don't see B6 pursuing any kind of partnership with Norse. In just a couple years, with the arrival or more LRs + XLRs, they will likely be competing in very similar tatl markets out of NYC that Norse will be interested in as well.
The next best option is NK. Decent networks out of EWR, FLL/MIA, and LAX. F9 has a more desirable brand image of course, but will no longer fly to LAX by the time Norse starts operations.
I still am unconvinced that Norse needs any kind of partnership with airlines in the West though. To me, the value comes in having a partner short-haul European network, where they can allow connections, since I presume that their services will be most targeted towards the US-based passenger. For example, I flew OAK-SPU on Norwegian in maybe 2018 and had a pretty seamless connection through LGW. Flew back DBV-OAK via OSL and had a similarly pleasant-enough experience. If Norse can kind of replicate the old Norwegian short-haul network, this time instead allowing connections on a separate European short-haul partner, they'll be golden.
Edited for grammar mistake.
If they choose to do what Norwegian did between their choice of airports (JFK, FLL, and LAX which also correspond to the OSM Aviation crew bases, which furthermore are hiring for Norse), and who Norwegian had sought an interlining agreement with for 2020, the reasoning is even more leaned toward B6. There's also the added bonus that B6 has also moved into LAX, and it's not like their A321LRs and XLRs will be flying to Europe from LAX, presumably neither FLL, but they could also give up all of this to protect JFK-LON.
https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/jetb ... h-jetblue/
Norwegian Air aims to sign an interline deal with US low-cost counterpart JetBlue. The planned partnership will allow passengers to combine fares in a single booking for connecting flights between Europe and the Americas on both airlines’ websites.
Galwayman wrote:I wish them well, competition is always welcome and DY was a high quality transatlantic experience compared to many other airlines.....but there are so many discounters across the atlantic ( TP, EI, BA etc ) it's difficult to see what they bring to the market ( outside of maybe decently priced premium economy)
If Norse can offer reasonable one-way pricing options, that would be something that's been mostly lost ever since Norwegian or other LCCs like Primera or WOW stopped offering transatlantic, aside from Level (which despite being IAG-aligned, had its pricing scheme separate from the JV with AA). With them, there was always the option of buying a one-way transatlantic ticket and then buying a one-way in the opposite direction, on another route, or on another airline at a later time. On airlines participating in a metal-neutral JV, the pricing is skewed towards buying the return ticket within the same JV (e.g. JFK-CDG on AF/DL and then AMS-EWR on KL, but not JFK-LHR on AA/BA and then FRA-LAX on LH), otherwise a single one-way ticket can be 4x or more the price of the return ticket. Even with EI, B6, and presumably TP or TK I would see a slight premium pricing two separately-booked one-ways compared to a return ticket. With Norwegian/Level/Primera/WOW it didn't matter if the itinerary was booked as two one-ways or a return, as the pricing would add up to the same amount.
Practicality may seem questionable but it has its users.