Norse Atlantic Airways News and Discussion Thread

drerx7 · Wed Jun 15, 2022 1:32 am

What's premium like? Is it Norwegian's?

adambrau · Wed Jun 15, 2022 5:36 am

According to Flightradar24 flight left almost 2 hours late and arrived 45 minutes late into JFK. I guess the inaugural festivities are to blame. Welcome back Norwegian!

Someone83 · Wed Jun 15, 2022 10:27 am

drerx7 wrote:
What's premium like? Is it Norwegian's?

It is exactly the same seats and cabin

CornishBear · Wed Jun 15, 2022 11:49 am

G-CKOF 789 has been on the ground at Newquay since mid April - It looks parked waiting for collection, presumably for LGW ops?

LAXintl · Wed Jun 15, 2022 4:45 pm

drerx7 wrote:
What's premium like? Is it Norwegian's?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVPNOlGWQAA ... name=large

Oykie · Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:08 am

Inaugural flight from Oslo to Fort Lauderdale N021 are about to take off. This flight seems to leave on time. Gate closed ten minutes before departure time.

Oykie · Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:16 am

N021 has left the gate

Oykie · Sat Jun 18, 2022 7:30 am

N021 is airborne!

Oykie · Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:17 am

Anyone know the load? It went straight to 38000 feet. I know the 787 is very capable and the 4100 nautical mile distance is no problem for the plane. Still impressive to see.

BrianDromey · Sat Jun 18, 2022 8:51 am

The interior is so grey! That grey vinyl reminds me of 90s American taxis rather than the reputation of stylish Scandi design.

Someone83 · Sun Jun 19, 2022 5:34 am

Oykie wrote:
Anyone know the load? It went straight to 38000 feet. I know the 787 is very capable and the 4100 nautical mile distance is no problem for the plane. Still impressive to see.

According to Norse on Twitter it was "near full"

thepinkmachine · Sun Jun 19, 2022 7:40 am

Someone83 wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Anyone know the load? It went straight to 38000 feet. I know the 787 is very capable and the 4100 nautical mile distance is no problem for the plane. Still impressive to see.

According to Norse on Twitter it was "near full"

Initial FL 380 means TOW of approximately 200 tons. For a short-ish flight like OSL-JFK that would mean payload of approximately 30 tons or ~300 Pax

Oykie · Sun Jun 19, 2022 8:33 am

thepinkmachine wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Oykie wrote:
Anyone know the load? It went straight to 38000 feet. I know the 787 is very capable and the 4100 nautical mile distance is no problem for the plane. Still impressive to see.

According to Norse on Twitter it was "near full"

Initial FL 380 means TOW of approximately 200 tons. For a short-ish flight like OSL-JFK that would mean payload of approximately 30 tons or ~300 Pax

Thank you for the calculation. 300 PAX is a good load factor of 87%

The Dreamliner arrived on Saturday and are staying in Ft Lauderdale until Monday afternoon. Are there any chances of photo opportunities in FLL?

thepinkmachine · Sun Jun 19, 2022 9:12 am

Oykie wrote:
thepinkmachine wrote:
Someone83 wrote:

According to Norse on Twitter it was "near full"

Initial FL 380 means TOW of approximately 200 tons. For a short-ish flight like OSL-JFK that would mean payload of approximately 30 tons or ~300 Pax

Thank you for the calculation. 300 PAX is a good load factor of 87%

The Dreamliner arrived on Saturday and are staying in Ft Lauderdale until Monday afternoon. Are there any chances of photo opportunities in FLL?

No idea. I’m not associated with Norse in any way - just familiar with 787 performance…

SCQ83 · Sun Jun 19, 2022 10:09 am

ua900 wrote:
aviator2000 wrote:
I think they made a wise choice. I'd say Berlin is amongst the biggest european cities that are more poorly connected to the US. Wish them the best of luck

While I wish them the best of luck as well, I also think there's a reason why BER is so poorly connected.

Having travelled from BER to the US this past weekend via a connection, one has to conclude that it's just a poorly designed and poorly managed airport, in spite of years of planning and taking more than a decade to complete. It feels like a regional airport in so many ways.

It caters *heavily* to leisure travellers, and absent the current post-Covid surge in travel due to penned up demand, I don't see sufficient premium demand to fill the front of the plane. What UA has done there is about right, no high J 763s, no premium economy product, just a basic one plane a day operation to maintain a long standing presence. An all economy / LCC flight *might* have a chance, but the local market doesn't have sufficient demand for say AA, DL *and* UA to succeed there.

It's different market in spite of being a capital: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... t-suggests

mercure1 wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
Berlin really is underserved, and has a very big catchment area. Very high potential.

Its a pretty poor market as has been proven over and over.

Yesterday US aviation writer Brett Snyder had a story analyzing the markets history.
https://crankyflier.com/2022/06/09/nors ... to-berlin/

IMO Berlin will suffer more than the rest of Germany in the (very likely) event of global recession soon. Berlin is and has always been Germany's boom and burst town.

A big chunk of Berlin's economic boom is construction and a massive real estate bubble.

Berlin has now more well-paid jobs than in the past, but many of them are in tech companies and specially start-ups (even more traditional FAAMG companies are mostly in Munich or Zurich in the German-speaking Europe). Some of those companies have started laying off people (some HQed in Berlin) and hiring freezes.

Tourism is also a big thing but I even suspect that the average American tourist is substantially different from that to more traditional destinations like Paris or Rome. Berlin is skewed towards a more Zoomer, tech US tourist, which will be hit harder in a recession that a Boomer physician from Vermont that is planning to tour Italy.

I would be surprised that those routes from Berlin are still next year if the global economy slows down or crashes.

Milgram · Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:25 am

A passenger report of the inaugural flight from OSL to JFK can be watched here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybX3FleTAa8

PITFlyer330 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:32 pm

Norse plans LGW routes https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status ... oCH9naTJ0g

ONT already known but RFD?!?!?

no surprise FLL MCO SFO

Jshank83 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:33 pm

RFD made me do a doubletake.

georgiabill · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:33 pm

Shocked no BOS

PITFlyer330 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:37 pm

georgiabill wrote:
Shocked no BOS

Because jetblue

Wneast · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:42 pm

Ok the others don’t surprise me but RFD oh god.

bravotango75 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:45 pm

georgiabill wrote:
Shocked no BOS

Ditto...BOS seems like a natural.

flight152 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:48 pm

PITFlyer330 wrote:
georgiabill wrote:
Shocked no BOS

Because jetblue

Um. What?

PITFlyer330 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:53 pm

flight152 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
georgiabill wrote:
Shocked no BOS

Because jetblue

Um. What?

These are all unserved from LGW

Jetblue does BOS

aviator2000 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:56 pm

what sense does it make to fly to ONT when their other tatl routes are from LAX

SurfandSnow · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:57 pm

PITFlyer330 wrote:
ONT already known

So, to best serve Greater Los Angeles this carrier that is completely unknown to both American and European travelers alike (a problem even Norwegian didn’t have - it was a well established brand in Europe after all) will fly from LAX to OSL and BER, but then LGW will be served from ONT?!?

Abeam79 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 10:59 pm

Here we go, Norwegian 2.0. Hyper expanding off the door, with inflation and sky high fuel prices. Lets see how long this lasts.

flight152 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:00 pm

PITFlyer330 wrote:
flight152 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:

Because jetblue

Um. What?

These are all unserved from LGW

Jetblue does BOS

First, JetBlue hasn’t started anywhere to London from Boston, and even if they did serving it with a narrow body Airbus isn’t putting enough of a dent in the market to keep anyone out.

laca773 · Wed Jun 22, 2022 11:45 pm

Eventually, I wouldn’t be surprised to see OSL moved to ONT. Less expensive to operate out of & ONT will go out of their way to accommodate them.
LGW makes sense from ONT since LAX-LON already has VS x2-3 daily; BA x3 daily; AA x2 daily & UA x1 daily.

LAXintl · Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:13 am

Doubt Norse leaves LAX as they received a 2-year incentive program that runs till May 1, 2024.

VS4ever · Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:36 am

flight152 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
flight152 wrote:

Um. What?

These are all unserved from LGW

Jetblue does BOS

First, JetBlue hasn’t started anywhere to London from Boston, and even if they did serving it with a narrow body Airbus isn’t putting enough of a dent in the market to keep anyone out.

Coming soon in August and September

http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investor-r ... -150014342

However I agree, DY used their 344 seat 789’s on LGW-BOS and generally filled them. B6 is getting their first but Norse should be able to coexist

TexasAirCorp · Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:15 am

PITFlyer330 wrote:
Norse plans LGW routes https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status ... oCH9naTJ0g

ONT already known but RFD?!?!?

Oh no no no. Norwegian struggled to make ORD work.

travaz · Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:51 pm

I am wondering does RFD even have the infrastructure (ICE ) to handle 300 pax at once? With the exception of a few international cargo flights AAY is all that is there with a handful of flights. It seems Chicago is a tough go for anyone internationally. That was a head turner.

Someone83 · Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:41 pm

Remember, Norse also «planned» flying to Stewart. But are now at JFK. So wouldn’t put too much into this

mercure1 · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:09 pm

Norse has secured 38 weekly slots at Dublin Airport for the winter 2022/23 season. It also plans to launch flights to Dubai.

https://aviation.direct/en/norse-atlant ... -and-dubai

lesfalls · Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:54 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Norse has secured 38 weekly slots at Dublin Airport for the winter 2022/23 season. It also plans to launch flights to Dubai.

https://aviation.direct/en/norse-atlant ... -and-dubai

Taking up what DY left behind of OSL-DXB as they flew the route daily before on the 737. I wonder if DY will ever bring it back.

Someone83 · Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:08 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Norse has secured 38 weekly slots at Dublin Airport for the winter 2022/23 season. It also plans to launch flights to Dubai.

https://aviation.direct/en/norse-atlant ... -and-dubai

Secure slots, doesn't necessary means they will launch flights....

JannEejit · Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:30 pm

Someone83 wrote:
mercure1 wrote:
Norse has secured 38 weekly slots at Dublin Airport for the winter 2022/23 season. It also plans to launch flights to Dubai.

https://aviation.direct/en/norse-atlant ... -and-dubai

Secure slots, doesn't necessary means they will launch flights....

But what would be the point of securing slots then ?

pmanni1 · Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:01 pm

PITFlyer330 wrote:
Norse plans LGW routes https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status ... oCH9naTJ0g

ONT already known but RFD?!?!?

no surprise FLL MCO SFO

RFD hasn't had any scheduled service from any airlines since 2015. F9 couldn't make CUN work from here so I don't know how they think London would work.

JetBuddy · Sun Jun 26, 2022 1:52 pm

One thing Rockford RFD and Ontario ONT has in common = large logistics centers.
Norse is flying widebody aircraft with lots of space for cargo. Cargo is now extremely important and can make a thin route profitable.

UPlog · Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:16 pm

JetBuddy wrote:
One thing Rockford RFD and Ontario ONT has in common = large logistics centers.
Norse is flying widebody aircraft with lots of space for cargo. Cargo is now extremely important and can make a thin route profitable.

Except its the wrong type of logistics.. Both RFD and ONT are home to integrators, not the commercial freight forwarder community.

In LA basin, for instance, the entire freight forwarder community is located on Western edge to serve LAX and the Port of LA and Long Beach. ONT has operations for integrators like UPS and its sorting facility along with player like Amazon nearby, but not the freight forwarder industry that would be feeding commercial widebody flights.

PITFlyer330 · Sun Jun 26, 2022 3:45 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
Norse plans LGW routes https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status ... oCH9naTJ0g

ONT already known but RFD?!?!?

no surprise FLL MCO SFO

RFD hasn't had any scheduled service from any airlines since 2015. F9 couldn't make CUN work from here so I don't know how they think London would work.

Allegiant flies to RFD..........

JetBuddy · Sun Jun 26, 2022 4:09 pm

UPlog wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
One thing Rockford RFD and Ontario ONT has in common = large logistics centers.
Norse is flying widebody aircraft with lots of space for cargo. Cargo is now extremely important and can make a thin route profitable.

Except its the wrong type of logistics.. Both RFD and ONT are home to integrators, not the commercial freight forwarder community.

In LA basin, for instance, the entire freight forwarder community is located on Western edge to serve LAX and the Port of LA and Long Beach. ONT has operations for integrators like UPS and its sorting facility along with player like Amazon nearby, but not the freight forwarder industry that would be feeding commercial widebody flights.

Interesting. Is it out of the question that Norse could have signed freight contract with someone in ONT or RFD? Or just unlikely?

krizzzy · Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:23 am

pmanni1 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
Norse plans LGW routes https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status ... oCH9naTJ0g

ONT already known but RFD?!?!?

no surprise FLL MCO SFO

RFD hasn't had any scheduled service from any airlines since 2015. F9 couldn't make CUN work from here so I don't know how they think London would work.

As someone else also mentioned on here, RFD has scheduled services with Allegiant. Including services from Orlando, Tampa, Sarasota, Punta Gorda, Las Vegas and Phoenix AZA.

santi319 · Tue Jun 28, 2022 4:47 am

krizzzy wrote:
pmanni1 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
Norse plans LGW routes https://twitter.com/ethanklapper/status ... oCH9naTJ0g

ONT already known but RFD?!?!?

no surprise FLL MCO SFO

RFD hasn't had any scheduled service from any airlines since 2015. F9 couldn't make CUN work from here so I don't know how they think London would work.

As someone else also mentioned on here, RFD has scheduled services with Allegiant. Including services from Orlando, Tampa, Sarasota, Punta Gorda, Las Vegas and Phoenix AZA.

Sanford* and St Petesburg* not Orlando and Tampa..

chonetsao · Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:46 am

santi319 wrote:
Sanford* and St Petesburg* not Orlando and Tampa..

I don't know about Sanford, so I can't comment.

But St. Petersburg/Clearwater airport is only 14 miles away from TPA (and shorter to Tampa downtown area depends on where you are going) and have two causeway bridge connect the two places. St. Petersburg airport runway 22 is literally point towards TPA runway 1L across the bay, and the direct distance is less than 14kms (8.7 miles). Often when you take off from 19R of TPA you can see the PIE airport very clearly and sometimes the aircraft will make a right turn flying above the PIE airport in very low alttitude.

For reference point, the distance between JFK and LGA is less than 13 miles, the distance from JFK to Brooklyn NY is about 14 miles. And distance between ONT and LAX is 47 miles.

So distance wise, PIE and TPA are both Tampa bay airports, the two are very close and well connected. Sure, St. Petersburg is not Tampa downtown, but both airports are equally convenient for most Tampa Bay residents and businesses.

bfitzflyer · Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:32 am

chonetsao wrote:
santi319 wrote:
Sanford* and St Petesburg* not Orlando and Tampa..

I don't know about Sanford, so I can't comment.

But St. Petersburg/Clearwater airport is only 14 miles away from TPA (and shorter to Tampa downtown area depends on where you are going) and have two causeway bridge connect the two places. St. Petersburg airport runway 22 is literally point towards TPA runway 1L across the bay, and the direct distance is less than 14kms (8.7 miles). Often when you take off from 19R of TPA you can see the PIE airport very clearly and sometimes the aircraft will make a right turn flying above the PIE airport in very low alttitude.

For reference point, the distance between JFK and LGA is less than 13 miles, the distance from JFK to Brooklyn NY is about 14 miles. And distance between ONT and LAX is 47 miles.

So distance wise, PIE and TPA are both Tampa bay airports, the two are very close and well connected. Sure, St. Petersburg is not Tampa downtown, but both airports are equally convenient for most Tampa Bay residents and businesses.

7,7 miles from TPA to downtown Tampa, 17 miles from PIE, absolutely not closer to downtown Tampa

chonetsao · Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:54 am

bfitzflyer wrote:
I don't know about Sanford, so I can't comment.

But St. Petersburg/Clearwater airport is only 14 miles away from TPA (and shorter to Tampa downtown area depends on where you are going) and have two causeway bridge connect the two places. St. Petersburg airport runway 22 is literally point towards TPA runway 1L across the bay, and the direct distance is less than 14kms (8.7 miles). Often when you take off from 19R of TPA you can see the PIE airport very clearly and sometimes the aircraft will make a right turn flying above the PIE airport in very low alttitude.

For reference point, the distance between JFK and LGA is less than 13 miles, the distance from JFK to Brooklyn NY is about 14 miles. And distance between ONT and LAX is 47 miles.

So distance wise, PIE and TPA are both Tampa bay airports, the two are very close and well connected. Sure, St. Petersburg is not Tampa downtown, but both airports are equally convenient for most Tampa Bay residents and businesses.

7,7 miles from TPA to downtown Tampa, 17 miles from PIE, absolutely not closer to downtown Tampa[/quote]

I have never said PIE is closer to downtown compare to TPA. You are twisting my word.

What I said was PIE is 14 miles away from TPA and the distance is shorter to from PIE to Tampa compare to PIE to TPA depends on where you are going. Sorry for the confusion. And I admit that downtown Tampa might be a mistake word I used. However, your interpretation on my words and point of view is wrong.

MLIAA · Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:26 pm

chonetsao wrote:
santi319 wrote:
Sanford* and St Petesburg* not Orlando and Tampa..

I don't know about Sanford, so I can't comment.

But St. Petersburg/Clearwater airport is only 14 miles away from TPA (and shorter to Tampa downtown area depends on where you are going) and have two causeway bridge connect the two places. St. Petersburg airport runway 22 is literally point towards TPA runway 1L across the bay, and the direct distance is less than 14kms (8.7 miles). Often when you take off from 19R of TPA you can see the PIE airport very clearly and sometimes the aircraft will make a right turn flying above the PIE airport in very low alttitude.

For reference point, the distance between JFK and LGA is less than 13 miles, the distance from JFK to Brooklyn NY is about 14 miles. And distance between ONT and LAX is 47 miles.

So distance wise, PIE and TPA are both Tampa bay airports, the two are very close and well connected. Sure, St. Petersburg is not Tampa downtown, but both airports are equally convenient for most Tampa Bay residents and businesses.

Whatever the distance, PIE is not Tampa, TPA is Tampa. SFB isn’t Orlando, MCO is Orlando and SFB is Sanford.

chonetsao · Tue Jun 28, 2022 2:54 pm

MLIAA wrote:
Whatever the distance, PIE is not Tampa, TPA is Tampa. SFB isn’t Orlando, MCO is Orlando and SFB is Sanford.

I think you are very wrong, and just trying to argue for the argument sake. 14 miles are within any metropolitan limit. PIE and TPA both serve Tampa Bay area. Again, I have said I won't comment on MCO/SFB as I don't know the area. So no need to bring that up again.

Moreover, PIE and TPA are both considered as Tampa Bay area airport. The circumstances are very different from let us say ONT and LAX or SJC and SFO. If you like we can continue debating on this issue for pages long. For residence in western Tampa bay residence, and for tourists to Clearwater beach, PIE is more convenient.

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