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707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:36 pm

~*SPOILER ALERT*~
For those who have not seen this 1994 movie.

In the 1994 movie Speed, the final "chase scene" of the movie culminates with the bomb-laden bus crashing into a 707 under tow. The resulting explosion was a cinematic masterpiece, especially in an era before extensive CGI.

Presumably, in 1994 there were plenty of 707s sitting in the desert and the production company bought one, painted it in a fictional livery, and then used it.

Does anyone have any information on what airframe was used? Any information on special preparations (did they perforate the fuselage so it would come apart predictably)?
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:50 pm

I think it might have been a "frankenstein" plane made up out of several others.

According to this photo the vertical stabilizer is from N198CA. This tail started life on TWA N734TW.
However, the fuselage shows 4X-JYZ. This means the fuselage started as TWA N736TW.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitle ... 1/481487/L
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitle ... 1/193962/L
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Mon Mar 15, 2021 9:11 pm

According to Buchair 'Titles and green and white livery(basic Burlington Air Express livery)and fake registration adapted at Mojave for movie speed ... Cockpit windows and main landing gear were missing. 'N198CA' painted on tail. Aircraft was partially destroyed in the movie. Wreckage remained with N198CA painted on the tail'.

If you look at the second photo is does show N198CA, which was over written with 4X-JYZ. According to Buchair it was re registered to N6232G by World Air Freight in June 1994. However, according to the FAA it was still N198CA.

https://registry.faa.gov/AircraftInquir ... mberResult

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 17661 Certificate Issue Date None
Manufacturer Name BOEING Mode S Code (base 8 / oct) 50303026
Model 707-131 Mode S Code (base 16 / hex) A18616
Year Manufacturer 1959 Cancel Date 08/07/2012
Reason For Cancellation Expiration Export To None
Type Registration Individual
Aircraft Registration Prior to Deregistration
Name SALE REPORTED
Street 1581 WEST 259TH ST
City HARBOR CITY
State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90710
Country UNITED STATES

However, Rzjets.net also shows N6232G

https://rzjets.net/aircraft/?typeid=42

The Airlife book also shows both reg, but implies that 'World Air Freight' was a honey opator.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:50 am

DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~
For those who have not seen this 1994 movie.


I was unaware that not seeing Speed was possible
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:12 am

Antarius wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~
For those who have not seen this 1994 movie.


I was unaware that not seeing Speed was possible

Saw it on Aeroflot in 1995 flying between JFK and SVO, going both directions on the 767’s main IFE screen (no PTVs back then). Airplane explosion and all!
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:38 am

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DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~
For those who have not seen this 1994 movie.


I was unaware that not seeing Speed was possible


Not seeing Speed 2 should be!
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:39 am

DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~
For those who have not seen this 1994 movie.


Presumably, in 1994 there were plenty of 707s sitting in the desert and the production company bought one, painted it in a fictional livery, and then used it.



Yes, the USAF bought many used 707s in the 1980s/1990s to source spares for the KC135 program. There must have been plenty of frames available.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:49 am

Ah...Speed. They don't make them like that anymore!

There was also a Continental Airlines DC-10 featured in the airport. Did CO operate that type, or was it only Tristars?
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:01 am

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Yes, the USAF bought many used 707s in the 1980s/1990s to source spares for the KC135 program. There must have been plenty of frames available.


The USAF would not have bought this one, it was a non-fan -131 (ex TWA). The Air Force used the vertical fins, fan engines and pylons to upgrade the J57 powered KC135s into KC-135Es.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:18 am

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Ah...Speed. They don't make them like that anymore!

There was also a Continental Airlines DC-10 featured in the airport. Did CO operate that type, or was it only Tristars?



Continental indeed operated the DC-10.

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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:28 am

Use to see Continental brings their 10's into Melbourne through out the 80's, What part of LAX was that final scene shot at, cause I remember seeing a Korean Air (don't know if it was a 300 or 400 variant) 747 taking of in the back ground.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 12:53 pm

The police helicopter used by the Captain (or Lieutenant) in the movie is a McDonnell-Douglas NOTAR, #N599DB. It spent several years thereafter in operation as C-FCPS, Calgary, Alberta, Canada's police helicopter "HAWC 1". It was retired, and sold to a private citizen in late 2006.

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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:28 pm

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Use to see Continental brings their 10's into Melbourne through out the 80's, What part of LAX was that final scene shot at, cause I remember seeing a Korean Air (don't know if it was a 300 or 400 variant) 747 taking of in the back ground.


I think you are describing when the bus first entered LAX property (after exiting the 105 Freeway). I remember seeing the plane taking off, but never noticed what kind or which airline. FYI, the explosion scene was actually filmed at Palmdale Airport (you'll notice there are mountains visible that appear to be relatively close to the airport, there are no mountains that close to LAX (the Hollywood Hills or Santa Monica Mountains can be viewed from some parts of LAX, but they are at least 10 miles away)).
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 1:30 pm

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Continental indeed operated the DC-10.


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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:13 pm

DIJKKIJK wrote:
Spiderguy252 wrote:
Ah...Speed. They don't make them like that anymore!

There was also a Continental Airlines DC-10 featured in the airport. Did CO operate that type, or was it only Tristars?



Continental indeed operated the DC-10.



To my knowledge, Continental never operated the L-1011. There are no photos in the database, nor do I recall seeing or hearing of any. CO was always a DC-10 operator from WAY back, and somewhere I have a plastic model in the "flying meatball" livery dating from the late 1970's. If I recall correctly, I got it at the same time as my TWA L-1011.

As much as I loved the movie, I did do a laugh out loud when the bus drove into a hangar at LAX - and out of a hangar at Mojave. "That is one LONG hangar!!" Yes, I am a native Southern Californian, and yes, having grown up near Bakersfield I am VERY familiar with Mojave, CA, but I know my locations. Regardless, the scene was still filmed live, and it was done well.

Ironically enough, "A Late Show" with Stephen Colbert recently had on Gina Yashere, a comedian and actress who used to work as an elevator technician, and for a time was the highest ranking woman at Otis Elevators in London. When pressed, she stated that "most movies with an elevator scene are inaccurate. I start talking to my friends about 'how that would never happen', and of course they get mad at me. Except 'Speed' - that was incredibly accurate and still scares me to this day!"
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:53 pm

Trailer clip, aircraft appears at 6 sec mark. Frezze frame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:29 pm

DL_Mech wrote:
DIJKKIJK wrote:

Yes, the USAF bought many used 707s in the 1980s/1990s to source spares for the KC135 program. There must have been plenty of frames available.


The USAF would not have bought this one, it was a non-fan -131 (ex TWA). The Air Force used the vertical fins, fan engines and pylons to upgrade the J57 powered KC135s into KC-135Es.


That is right. I believe this bird N198CA was one of two ex-Israel Air Force non-fan 707-131s that found their way back to the US via Charlotte Aircraft sometime in the 1980s. I photographed these airplanes at MHV in 1992 and they were in good shape. I always wished the Save-a-Connie folks would have had the money to save a non-fan TWA 707, and one of these would have been perfect. Alas the movie industry called and destroyed this bird was. They survived as long as they did because their water-injected JT3C-6 turbojets had no value to the KC-135E program - because they were the same engines as the J57s the Air Force was pulling off the KC-135As.

I have never heard a non-fan 707 take off, and there aren't any videos around with real sound that I have seen. I had always hoped that it was one of these birds that would fly again.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:53 pm

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I have never heard a non-fan 707 take off, and there aren't any videos around with real sound that I have seen. I had always hoped that it was one of these birds that would fly again.


Your best bet would be to search for newsreels on YouTube (there are tons from Pathe) that show the first jet services. The sound in those would be real.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:38 pm

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TW870 wrote:
I have never heard a non-fan 707 take off, and there aren't any videos around with real sound that I have seen. I had always hoped that it was one of these birds that would fly again.


Your best bet would be to search for newsreels on YouTube (there are tons from Pathe) that show the first jet services. The sound in those would be real.


Thanks for the reply! I haven't found any newsreels with real sound from what I can tell - but maybe I am not looking in the right place. There are some good silent ones on pathe, but there are mostly dubbed in soundtrack over music. I hear what you are saying in that many of the available sound clips of early jets would be JT3C and JT4A engines, but a lot of what I can find is basically random - maybe military - jet sound dubbed behind music.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:43 pm

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Antarius wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~
For those who have not seen this 1994 movie.


I was unaware that not seeing Speed was possible


Not seeing Speed 2 should be!


Oh god. The worst movie ever made.

When Keanu Reeves, stalwart of script free Matrix Reloaded and Revolutions says "heck no" to a sequel, you know it's going to be rubbish.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:52 pm

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When pressed, she stated that "most movies with an elevator scene are inaccurate.


That's hilarious. Of course, it never occurred to me, but there are people who are experts on elevators and the movies, being the movies, probably get that stuff wrong all the time and the rest of us who have never seen the inside of an elevator shaft have no idea.

Don't even get me started on the way that Hollywood handles medical stuff.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:08 pm

The problem is entertainment elevators, TV or movies, are built on single level sets. They don’t have inner and outer doors and the doors sound like hollow core wood veneer when they open and close.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:34 pm

DocLightning wrote:
PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
When pressed, she stated that "most movies with an elevator scene are inaccurate.


That's hilarious. Of course, it never occurred to me, but there are people who are experts on elevators and the movies, being the movies, probably get that stuff wrong all the time and the rest of us who have never seen the inside of an elevator shaft have no idea.

Don't even get me started on the way that Hollywood handles medical stuff.


Being experienced in several different industries, I feel extremely safe in saying that pretty much *anything* you see in a movie or on a TV show is basically fictionalised to the point where someone from that field will be loudly shouting "bollocks!" at the screen during a scene.

If you think how often we spot issues with aircraft in movies, shows and indeed even the news, and then take a moment to realise that this is probably happening to everything else you think is accurate and just accept, your perception of all that is "right" starts to disintegrate fairly rapidly :D
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 9:47 pm

PSAatSAN4Ever wrote:
DIJKKIJK wrote:
Spiderguy252 wrote:
Ah...Speed. They don't make them like that anymore!

There was also a Continental Airlines DC-10 featured in the airport. Did CO operate that type, or was it only Tristars?



Continental indeed operated the DC-10.



To my knowledge, Continental never operated the L-1011. There are no photos in the database, nor do I recall seeing or hearing of any. CO was always a DC-10 operator from WAY back, and somewhere I have a plastic model in the "flying meatball" livery dating from the late 1970's. If I recall correctly, I got it at the same time as my TWA L-1011.

As much as I loved the movie, I did do a laugh out loud when the bus drove into a hangar at LAX - and out of a hangar at Mojave. "That is one LONG hangar!!" Yes, I am a native Southern Californian, and yes, having grown up near Bakersfield I am VERY familiar with Mojave, CA, but I know my locations. Regardless, the scene was still filmed live, and it was done well.

Ironically enough, "A Late Show" with Stephen Colbert recently had on Gina Yashere, a comedian and actress who used to work as an elevator technician, and for a time was the highest ranking woman at Otis Elevators in London. When pressed, she stated that "most movies with an elevator scene are inaccurate. I start talking to my friends about 'how that would never happen', and of course they get mad at me. Except 'Speed' - that was incredibly accurate and still scares me to this day!"


I actually remember seeing a while back a scan of an Interaction Research Corporation Continental Airlines L1011 Safety Card dated April, 1990. I'm guessing they were looking at moving the Tristars from Eastern over to Continental but then changed their mind. *Edit* I just found some photos again online.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:27 pm

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Trailer clip, aircraft appears at 6 sec mark. Frezze frame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI


Nice find - the 707 exploding is at about 2:08.
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FlyHossD wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
Trailer clip, aircraft appears at 6 sec mark. Frezze frame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI


Nice find - the 707 exploding is at about 2:08.


Bizarrely it looks like the took the organ pipe suppressors off the engines put KC-135A exhausts on the engines. Trying to figure out why they would put money into engine mods for a non-flying aircraft that was blown up in production! Maybe just aluminum covers to make the tail pipe look more modern? If so, talk about obsession with detail.

I always found it odd that TWA didn't re-fan this first batch of 707-100s. All you had to buy was the new nacelles and the actual fan assembly, as you could use the existing JT3C-6 core for the JT3D-3B turbofan platform. TWA bought a whole bunch of new-build 707-131Bs starting in 1967, so its not like the didn't want the capability of the airplanes. While they kept many of the -131Bs until the early 1980s, they parked these old turbojet -131s in 1970.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:17 am

TW870 wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
Trailer clip, aircraft appears at 6 sec mark. Frezze frame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI


Nice find - the 707 exploding is at about 2:08.


Bizarrely it looks like the took the organ pipe suppressors off the engines put KC-135A exhausts on the engines. Trying to figure out why they would put money into engine mods for a non-flying aircraft that was blown up in production! Maybe just aluminum covers to make the tail pipe look more modern? If so, talk about obsession with detail.

I always found it odd that TWA didn't re-fan this first batch of 707-100s. All you had to buy was the new nacelles and the actual fan assembly, as you could use the existing JT3C-6 core for the JT3D-3B turbofan platform. TWA bought a whole bunch of new-build 707-131Bs starting in 1967, so its not like the didn't want the capability of the airplanes. While they kept many of the -131Bs until the early 1980s, they parked these old turbojet -131s in 1970.


Yes, I spotted the "modified" engines as well. Being there was no use anymore for the "daisy petal" exhaust parts by the time this era came about, you would think that they would have left them on, but I think perhaps you are correct. They were trying to make the engines look more modern.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:27 am

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DL_Mech wrote:
DIJKKIJK wrote:

Yes, the USAF bought many used 707s in the 1980s/1990s to source spares for the KC135 program. There must have been plenty of frames available.


The USAF would not have bought this one, it was a non-fan -131 (ex TWA). The Air Force used the vertical fins, fan engines and pylons to upgrade the J57 powered KC135s into KC-135Es.


That is right. I believe this bird N198CA was one of two ex-Israel Air Force non-fan 707-131s that found their way back to the US via Charlotte Aircraft sometime in the 1980s. I photographed these airplanes at MHV in 1992 and they were in good shape. I always wished the Save-a-Connie folks would have had the money to save a non-fan TWA 707, and one of these would have been perfect. Alas the movie industry called and destroyed this bird was. They survived as long as they did because their water-injected JT3C-6 turbojets had no value to the KC-135E program - because they were the same engines as the J57s the Air Force was pulling off the KC-135As.

I have never heard a non-fan 707 take off, and there aren't any videos around with real sound that I have seen. I had always hoped that it was one of these birds that would fly again.


I actually came across one of the "sisterships" at ACY back in the 80s. The aircraft was N195CA that was stored in ACY for awhile. It was supposed to have been used by the FAA for a destructive test, but perhaps got swapped for the FAA 720. Honestly, I don't recall the story. Eventually, this aircraft was broken up at ACY. It was in the same ex-IIAF blue and white livery as N198CA. Ironically, after the scrapping many years later, I came across the fuselage in a salvage yard in Atco NJ, about 45 miles away from ACY
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:50 am

TW870 wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:
readytotaxi wrote:
Trailer clip, aircraft appears at 6 sec mark. Frezze frame

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI


Nice find - the 707 exploding is at about 2:08.


Bizarrely it looks like the took the organ pipe suppressors off the engines put KC-135A exhausts on the engines. Trying to figure out why they would put money into engine mods for a non-flying aircraft that was blown up in production! Maybe just aluminum covers to make the tail pipe look more modern? If so, talk about obsession with detail.


I’ll bet that that plane didn’t even have engines on it. The fuselage livery is obviously digital and the engines probably are too. Note the #1 engine turbo-compressor (EDIT: these planes had #1 turbo compressors)

Regarding the TWA -131s, as they were largely retired by 1970, I assume that TWA did not want (or could not afford) to re-engine the -100s as AA and PA did. Ten or so years old was probably close to the service limit for time at a major airline (not like the 30 years today) so it was not worth it as so many -131Bs followed. I didn’t check, but I believe all the non fan -131s went on to serve other airlines.

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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:27 am

petertenthije wrote:
I think it might have been a "frankenstein" plane made up out of several others.

According to this photo the vertical stabilizer is from N198CA. This tail started life on TWA N734TW.
However, the fuselage shows 4X-JYZ. This means the fuselage started as TWA N736TW.

https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitle ... 1/481487/L
https://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitle ... 1/193962/L



If you look closely, it looks like N194CA underneath the Israeli registration.

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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 6:16 am

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This is slightly off-topic but I don't know if it's really needed to put up a spoiler warning for a movie that premiered over 25 years ago and where multiple sources have discussed said scene without warnings (I remember watching a documentary as a kid that mentioned said scene and never out up a spoiler warning). It just seems pointless, especially when the plane and movie are in the subject anyway.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:07 pm

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I’ll bet that that plane didn’t even have engines on it. The fuselage livery is obviously digital and the engines probably are too. Note the #1 engine turbo-compressor (EDIT: these planes had #1 turbo compressors)



Could they do digital in 1992 when they were shooting that? I guess they must have used digital editing for the fuselage. But it is still striking to me that they would think to cover up the organ pipe suppressors - as if they audience would have been like, "wait, is that a JT3C-6 powered bird? Well then its fake because it wasn't legal to fly in the US after January 1, 1985 due to noise abatement!" Indeed it is only us who are having this conversation!
 
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Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:10 pm

Keanu looked so good in that movie...that's my contribution
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:11 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~

This is slightly off-topic but I don't know if it's really needed to put up a spoiler warning for a movie that premiered over 25 years ago and where multiple sources have discussed said scene without warnings (I remember watching a documentary as a kid that mentioned said scene and never out up a spoiler warning). It just seems pointless, especially when the plane and movie are in the subject anyway.


I agree with a spoiler warning not being needed here but the plane and movie in the subject is not a spoiler by any means. You can read that title and have no idea what goes on. The explosion is the spoiler and thats why OP put it in
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:21 pm

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DL_Mech wrote:

I’ll bet that that plane didn’t even have engines on it. The fuselage livery is obviously digital and the engines probably are too. Note the #1 engine turbo-compressor (EDIT: these planes had #1 turbo compressors)



Could they do digital in 1992 when they were shooting that? I guess they must have used digital editing for the fuselage. But it is still striking to me that they would think to cover up the organ pipe suppressors - as if they audience would have been like, "wait, is that a JT3C-6 powered bird? Well then its fake because it wasn't legal to fly in the US after January 1, 1985 due to noise abatement!" Indeed it is only us who are having this conversation!


The livery was NOT digital, I knew someone who worked up in the tower at MHV and he had a few pictures that he showed us in class.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:30 pm

JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
Use to see Continental brings their 10's into Melbourne through out the 80's, What part of LAX was that final scene shot at, cause I remember seeing a Korean Air (don't know if it was a 300 or 400 variant) 747 taking of in the back ground.


I think you are describing when the bus first entered LAX property (after exiting the 105 Freeway). I remember seeing the plane taking off, but never noticed what kind or which airline. FYI, the explosion scene was actually filmed at Palmdale Airport (you'll notice there are mountains visible that appear to be relatively close to the airport, there are no mountains that close to LAX (the Hollywood Hills or Santa Monica Mountains can be viewed from some parts of LAX, but they are at least 10 miles away)).


It was a Japan Airlines 747. IIRC that shot took a lot of takes to just the airplane taking off in the background just right.

The bus was originally supposed to circle the parking lots at Dodgers Stadium but the filmmakers couldn’t get the rights to film there, which turned out for the best since putting the bus at the airport ended up being much better.

maverick4002 wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~

This is slightly off-topic but I don't know if it's really needed to put up a spoiler warning for a movie that premiered over 25 years ago and where multiple sources have discussed said scene without warnings (I remember watching a documentary as a kid that mentioned said scene and never out up a spoiler warning). It just seems pointless, especially when the plane and movie are in the subject anyway.


I agree with a spoiler warning not being needed here but the plane and movie in the subject is not a spoiler by any means. You can read that title and have no idea what goes on. The explosion is the spoiler and thats why OP put it in


The explosion technically wasn’t even a spoiler in 1994 since the end of the trailer clearly shows the airplane blowing up.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:01 pm

It keeps getting more and more complicated;

Jet Airliner Production List

MSN 17595 B707-321
4X-JYZ/240 wfu Tel Aviv 1994 broken up
MSN 17596 B707-321
4X-BYZ/240 wfu Tel Aviv 1994 broken up
MSN 17661 B707-131
N198CA wfu Mojave 11/1978
MSN 17663 B707-131
N194CA wfu Mojave 01/1980

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MSN 17596 B707-321
N717PA scrapped Marana
MSN 17596 B707-321
4X-JYZ/240 derelict Tel Aviv
MSN 17661 B707-131
N198CA/N6232G destroyed Mojave 1994
MSN 17663 B707-131
N194CA scrapped Mojave post 1993

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MSN 17595 B707-321
4X-JYZ wfu Tel Aviv 05/1977 broken up Tel Aviv 1995
MSN 17596 B707-321
4X-JYZ/240 wfu Tel Aviv 1983 scrapped Tel Aviv 1984
MSN 17661 B707-131
N198CA wfu Mojave 11/1978 destroyed in film 06/1994
MSN 17663 B707-131
N194CA wfu Mojave 07/1978 tail missing 04/1982 L/N 1992

N717PA exported to Israel 14/01/1976

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It could well be a composite of more than one airframe.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:14 pm

filipinoavgeek wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~

This is slightly off-topic but I don't know if it's really needed to put up a spoiler warning for a movie that premiered over 25 years ago and where multiple sources have discussed said scene without warnings (I remember watching a documentary as a kid that mentioned said scene and never out up a spoiler warning). It just seems pointless, especially when the plane and movie are in the subject anyway.


Did it harm anyone?

Because I promise if I hadn't put it there, someone would have complained.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:16 pm

jmc1975 wrote:
Antarius wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~
For those who have not seen this 1994 movie.


I was unaware that not seeing Speed was possible

Saw it on Aeroflot in 1995 flying between JFK and SVO, going both directions on the 767’s main IFE screen (no PTVs back then). Airplane explosion and all!


On a longer flight, they could run a double feature: The High and the Mighty, followed by Fate is the Hunter. Why not? Same story author...
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 8:36 pm

Was it true for the movie Home Alone, the outside view of the plane was a 767, but inside it was an A300?
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:07 pm

OB1504 wrote:
JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:
Flyingsottsman wrote:
Use to see Continental brings their 10's into Melbourne through out the 80's, What part of LAX was that final scene shot at, cause I remember seeing a Korean Air (don't know if it was a 300 or 400 variant) 747 taking of in the back ground.


I think you are describing when the bus first entered LAX property (after exiting the 105 Freeway). I remember seeing the plane taking off, but never noticed what kind or which airline. FYI, the explosion scene was actually filmed at Palmdale Airport (you'll notice there are mountains visible that appear to be relatively close to the airport, there are no mountains that close to LAX (the Hollywood Hills or Santa Monica Mountains can be viewed from some parts of LAX, but they are at least 10 miles away)).


It was a Japan Airlines 747. IIRC that shot took a lot of takes to just the airplane taking off in the background just right.

The bus was originally supposed to circle the parking lots at Dodgers Stadium but the filmmakers couldn’t get the rights to film there, which turned out for the best since putting the bus at the airport ended up being much better.

maverick4002 wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
This is slightly off-topic but I don't know if it's really needed to put up a spoiler warning for a movie that premiered over 25 years ago and where multiple sources have discussed said scene without warnings (I remember watching a documentary as a kid that mentioned said scene and never out up a spoiler warning). It just seems pointless, especially when the plane and movie are in the subject anyway.


I agree with a spoiler warning not being needed here but the plane and movie in the subject is not a spoiler by any means. You can read that title and have no idea what goes on. The explosion is the spoiler and thats why OP put it in


The explosion technically wasn’t even a spoiler in 1994 since the end of the trailer clearly shows the airplane blowing up.


I'm just going on memory, but I thought the 747 taking off when the bus entered the airport was a KLM. I remember there was a 727 on approach in the background as well. I looked for a clip but can't seem to find one showing that scene. I did see a clip where the bus is passing through a hangar just before it explodes and there is what appears to be a TWA 707 parked in front of that hangar. Could have been a 747 though but I am sure the livery was TWA.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:12 pm

WesternDC6B wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
Antarius wrote:

I was unaware that not seeing Speed was possible

Saw it on Aeroflot in 1995 flying between JFK and SVO, going both directions on the 767’s main IFE screen (no PTVs back then). Airplane explosion and all!


On a longer flight, they could run a double feature: The High and the Mighty, followed by Fate is the Hunter. Why not? Same story author...

LOL! Actually on JFK-SVO, the featured films were “Speed” then “Baby’s Day Out”; then on the return SVO-JFK leg, it was “Baby’s Day Out” then “Speed”.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Thu Mar 18, 2021 1:39 am

Drafran wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
JFKCMILAXFLL wrote:

I think you are describing when the bus first entered LAX property (after exiting the 105 Freeway). I remember seeing the plane taking off, but never noticed what kind or which airline. FYI, the explosion scene was actually filmed at Palmdale Airport (you'll notice there are mountains visible that appear to be relatively close to the airport, there are no mountains that close to LAX (the Hollywood Hills or Santa Monica Mountains can be viewed from some parts of LAX, but they are at least 10 miles away)).


It was a Japan Airlines 747. IIRC that shot took a lot of takes to just the airplane taking off in the background just right.

The bus was originally supposed to circle the parking lots at Dodgers Stadium but the filmmakers couldn’t get the rights to film there, which turned out for the best since putting the bus at the airport ended up being much better.

maverick4002 wrote:

I agree with a spoiler warning not being needed here but the plane and movie in the subject is not a spoiler by any means. You can read that title and have no idea what goes on. The explosion is the spoiler and thats why OP put it in


The explosion technically wasn’t even a spoiler in 1994 since the end of the trailer clearly shows the airplane blowing up.


I'm just going on memory, but I thought the 747 taking off when the bus entered the airport was a KLM. I remember there was a 727 on approach in the background as well. I looked for a clip but can't seem to find one showing that scene. I did see a clip where the bus is passing through a hangar just before it explodes and there is what appears to be a TWA 707 parked in front of that hangar. Could have been a 747 though but I am sure the livery was TWA.

According to the Internet Movie Plane Database, it's a 747-200B from Japan Air Lines (747-246B).
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:58 am

DL_Mech wrote:
TW870 wrote:
FlyHossD wrote:

Nice find - the 707 exploding is at about 2:08.


Bizarrely it looks like the took the organ pipe suppressors off the engines put KC-135A exhausts on the engines. Trying to figure out why they would put money into engine mods for a non-flying aircraft that was blown up in production! Maybe just aluminum covers to make the tail pipe look more modern? If so, talk about obsession with detail.


I’ll bet that that plane didn’t even have engines on it. The fuselage livery is obviously digital and the engines probably are too. Note the #1 engine turbo-compressor (EDIT: these planes had #1 turbo compressors)

In 1994 why would they have bothered with the expense and complexity of CGI-ing a livery when it would’ve been cheaper and simpler to just paint the airplane? The airplane was probably Frankenstein’ed together with whatever spare parts were lying around the boneyard and that would easily account for the engine discrepancy.

Even 26 years later, movie makers are still blowing up actual aircraft if it’s easier.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:26 am

DocLightning wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
~*SPOILER ALERT*~

This is slightly off-topic but I don't know if it's really needed to put up a spoiler warning for a movie that premiered over 25 years ago and where multiple sources have discussed said scene without warnings (I remember watching a documentary as a kid that mentioned said scene and never out up a spoiler warning). It just seems pointless, especially when the plane and movie are in the subject anyway.


Did it harm anyone?

Because I promise if I hadn't put it there, someone would have complained.

It honestly just seems pointless to put up a spoiler warning for a film that came out over 20 years ago. Had it been a newer film such a thing could have been more understandable. In addition, another possibility could have been simply to mention that a 707 appeared in the ending of the film without spoiling the ending, thus negating the need for a spoiler warning in the first place.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:08 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
DocLightning wrote:
filipinoavgeek wrote:
This is slightly off-topic but I don't know if it's really needed to put up a spoiler warning for a movie that premiered over 25 years ago and where multiple sources have discussed said scene without warnings (I remember watching a documentary as a kid that mentioned said scene and never out up a spoiler warning). It just seems pointless, especially when the plane and movie are in the subject anyway.


Did it harm anyone?

Because I promise if I hadn't put it there, someone would have complained.

It honestly just seems pointless to put up a spoiler warning for a film that came out over 20 years ago. Had it been a newer film such a thing could have been more understandable. In addition, another possibility could have been simply to mention that a 707 appeared in the ending of the film without spoiling the ending, thus negating the need for a spoiler warning in the first place.


Imagine being this wound up about something so harmless :roll:

I saw it as a little bit of humour, as these days you can assume that near enough everyone has seen it... multiple times.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:09 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Was it true for the movie Home Alone, the outside view of the plane was a 767, but inside it was an A300?


In Home Alone it was a DC-10 and in Home Alone 2 it was a 767.
 
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:13 am

TW870 wrote:

Could they do digital in 1992 when they were shooting that? I guess they must have used digital editing for the fuselage. But it is still striking to me that they would think to cover up the organ pipe suppressors - as if they audience would have been like, "wait, is that a JT3C-6 powered bird? Well then its fake because it wasn't legal to fly in the US after January 1, 1985 due to noise abatement!" Indeed it is only us who are having this conversation!


A good question, but the engine suppressor cover up was worth it so nerds could talk about it 25+ years later.

OB1504 wrote:
In 1994 why would they have bothered with the expense and complexity of CGI-ing a livery when it would’ve been cheaper and simpler to just paint the airplane?


I would think a couple of guys at a computer would be cheaper than 10 guys on man lifts, but who knows?

I would assume that most of the work for the film occurred in 1993 for a summer 1994 release. But a July 1994 photo in the database shows engines on an intact airplane without cabin doors (like the film) but no livery. Previous photos showed engines and pylons missing.



A photo at the dark site shows part of a livery, but on the starboard? side. It looks like there are engines on the left, but fake? cowlings on the right. Raises the question why did they do all that work on N194CA when N198CA was so intact?

http://www.jetphotos.com/photo/403652

http://www.flickr.com/photos/egcb_egcc/16463958165/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/egcb_egcc/15841449694/
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:51 am

More info on the explosion:

http://beforesandafters.com/2019/06/07/look-closely-and-you-can-see-the-cable-pulling-the-speed-bus-towards-the-plane-before-it-explodes/

FX1816 wrote:

The livery was NOT digital, I knew someone who worked up in the tower at MHV and he had a few pictures that he showed us in class.


You were right, the livery in the article above looks much better than that in the earlier movie clip.
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Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:37 am

DL_Mech wrote:
TW870 wrote:

Could they do digital in 1992 when they were shooting that? I guess they must have used digital editing for the fuselage. But it is still striking to me that they would think to cover up the organ pipe suppressors - as if they audience would have been like, "wait, is that a JT3C-6 powered bird? Well then its fake because it wasn't legal to fly in the US after January 1, 1985 due to noise abatement!" Indeed it is only us who are having this conversation!


A good question, but the engine suppressor cover up was worth it so nerds could talk about it 25+ years later.



Best quote of the thread. And it turns out we really need Scooby Doo here to figure out what happened with these engines. It turns out that they modded N194CA for a scene in a different movie, changing the number 3 and 4 pods to resemble JT3Ds. See this:

https://www.planelogger.com/Aircraft/Re ... 4CA/489519

Then, despite N194CA being in worse shape and already having oddly modded engine pods from a movie, they decided to use N198CA for the Speed demolition, and then modify its pods to make them look vaguely J57-like from a KC-135A - as if the audience would care. Who knows if they actually removed the engines altogether or just pulled the suppressors. I would not have known that I would be talking about these two planes in the next century when I photographed them 30 years ago at Mojave. Good on them, though, because they are sweet airplanes.

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