GalaxyFlyer wrote:phatfarmlines wrote:sevenair wrote:
A tragic example of CRM disasters and the toxic masculinity that still risks lives to this day.
You're trying to bring SJW terminology into a workplace scenario that doesn't belong. Toxic environments can be made by both male and female bosses/managers (I'm intentionally leaving out the term "leader" here). Van Zanten was a toxic boss because it was his way or the highway, and did not listen to the concerns brought forth by his subordinate crew members before it was too late.
The recent WN pilot rant about the San Francisco Bay Area, while contextually different than what the KLM crew experienced, had me thinking of this accident. There's no place for a bad attitude in the cockpit.
Does the CVR transcript from the KLM flight support your assertion on the captain? What’s been posted here doesn’t.
"Is he not clear, that Pan American?”
The FO likely didn't speak up to support the SO's observation at that point since the FO was already harangued by Van Zanten. Not that it mattered, collision would have been imminent as they were rolling at that point.
And I'll add one more thing: just because someone puts an act in front of senior leadership doesn't mean it will translate into the actual workplace environment.