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Mon Mar 29, 2021 11:23 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
pranav7478 wrote:
i wonder how vistara and spicejet got some slots when jetblue got none. just a thought...


JetBlue did get LHR slots. Probably one of the biggest beneficiaries! They got a whopping 270 slots.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jet ... row-slots/


Not sure but I think Jet Blue’s 270 slots are the total slots over the summer schedule. How many flights per day do we think they got? I am only hearing about a flight to JFK and BOS. Anyone know?


They got 3 months of non historical slots. Do you think they’re going to fly a 3 month schedule?

No.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:37 am

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How relevant are the connections at this time? Doesn't India require travel between North America and India to be non stop under their air "bubble" agreement?

No, the India-USA air bubble agreement allows for connections at AMS (KL), CDG (AF) and maybe even FRA (LH), although not sure about LH.

https://www.klm.com/travel/in_en/campai ... ctions.htm
SCOPE:USA
Starting 1st January 2021, the “bilateral air bubble” agreement between India and The United States permits partner Delta Air Lines to codeshare with KLM and fly passengers between India and USA via Amsterdam.

To purchase tickets visit www.delta.com

Passengers are personally responsible to ascertain eligibility based on the ENTRY requirements applicable at destination.

https://www.airfrance.in/IN/en/local/re ... ctions.htm
SCOPE: USA

The recent “bilateral air bubble” agreement between India and The United States of America, permits partner Delta Air Lines to codeshare with Air France and fly passengers between India and USA via France.
For bookings visit www.delta.com
Passengers are personally responsible to ascertain eligibility based on the ENTRY requirements applicable at destination.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:03 am

DTWLAX wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

How relevant are the connections at this time? Doesn't India require travel between North America and India to be non stop under their air "bubble" agreement?

No, the India-USA air bubble agreement allows for connections at AMS (KL), CDG (AF) and maybe even FRA (LH), although not sure about LH.

https://www.klm.com/travel/in_en/campai ... ctions.htm
SCOPE:USA
Starting 1st January 2021, the “bilateral air bubble” agreement between India and The United States permits partner Delta Air Lines to codeshare with KLM and fly passengers between India and USA via Amsterdam.

To purchase tickets visit http://www.delta.com

Passengers are personally responsible to ascertain eligibility based on the ENTRY requirements applicable at destination.

https://www.airfrance.in/IN/en/local/re ... ctions.htm
SCOPE: USA

The recent “bilateral air bubble” agreement between India and The United States of America, permits partner Delta Air Lines to codeshare with Air France and fly passengers between India and USA via France.
For bookings visit http://www.delta.com
Passengers are personally responsible to ascertain eligibility based on the ENTRY requirements applicable at destination.


Thanks for this info. I read on another thread that if transiting through AMS, another COVID test is required and someone therefore recommended allowing sufficient time for it. Nevertheless, I would assume many would pass on that to avoid the headache of another test.

What about transiting through London? Why has Delta not mentioned that despite owning a large stake in Virgin Atlantic?
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 5:53 am

edealinfo wrote:
pranav7478 wrote:
i wonder how vistara and spicejet got some slots when jetblue got none. just a thought...


JetBlue did get LHR slots. Probably one of the biggest beneficiaries! They got a whopping 270 slots.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jet ... row-slots/

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Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:30 am

CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
pranav7478 wrote:
i wonder how vistara and spicejet got some slots when jetblue got none. just a thought...


JetBlue did get LHR slots. Probably one of the biggest beneficiaries! They got a whopping 270 slots.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jet ... row-slots/


Not sure but I think Jet Blue’s 270 slots are the total slots over the summer schedule. How many flights per day do we think they got? I am only hearing about a flight to JFK and BOS. Anyone know?


According to this article [ https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-g ... row-slots/ ] the slots are available starting the week commencing 2 August when they have 14 slots - enough for one flight a day. That increases in increments to a maximum of 28 slots from the week commencing 20 September through to the end of the summer season, permitting 2 flights a day - presumably one to New York and one to Boston.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 12:18 pm

CaptainHaresh wrote:
Rajahdhani wrote:
Semi-related, let's discuss the trend, and the current winners - in slots to LHR:

JetBlue, of the U.S.A.:

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/jetblue-appears-to-secure-heathrow-slots-from-2-august/143077.article
JetBlue has been allocated an initial 14 slots weekly, according to ACL. That increases to 22 slots weekly on 13 September and 28 weekly from 20 September through the end of the summer season, on 30 October.


Bamboo Airways, of Vietnam: (proposed to use Terminal 2).

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jetblue-bamboo-airways-westjet-secure-london-heathrow-slots/
Bamboo Airways received slot allocation to fly six times a week to London Heathrow. Specifically, the Vietnamese low-cost carrier secured slots to fly to Ho Chi Minh City three times a week on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays and Hanoi three times a week on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. At the start of May, the airline is eligible to utilize its slots.
Based on Heathrow’s Terminal Finder tool, both flights will arrive at 3:30 p.m. and depart at 5:40 p.m.


WestJet, of Canada: (proposed to use Terminal 2).

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jetblue-bamboo-airways-westjet-secure-london-heathrow-slots/
WestJet obtained slots to London Heathrow for daily flights to Calgary and Vancouver. The Canadian carrier was allocated 732 slots, allowing it to start services as soon as May 1. Currently, the low-cost Canadian airline has slots at neighboring Gatwick that allow four daily services a day to Calgary, Halifax, Toronto and Vancouver.
displays a slot for a 9 a.m. arrival and 11 a.m. departure for Vancouver service and 11:20 a.m. arrival and 1:20 p.m. departure for Calgary service.


RwandAir, of Rwanda:

https://simpleflying.com/new-heathrow-slots/
Rwandair, a growing African carrier, has also received some slots out of Heathrow


Loganair, of the U.K.:

https://simpleflying.com/new-heathrow-slots/Loganair, a regional airline in the UK, appears to have gotten a significant number of Heathrow slots and operations. Loganair is targeting regional routes out of Heathrow to Newquay, Teesside, and the Isle of Man.


For those interested in completed swap trades, consider:

https://www.acl-uk.org/completed-slot-trades/

Of note - is that there are current exemptions in place;

https://www.acl-uk.org/news/further-summer-2021-waiver-announcement/Following the further announcement on 26th February of the UK’s Secretary of State for Transport that legislation has been introduced (to come into force from 26 March 2021) to extend the waiver from the 80:20 slot usage rule to the Summer 2021 season but now without conditions


...so the Indian carriers, gaining slots - is noteworthy, and potentially market changing - however based on the news of other major arrivals to LHR, the news is thus a bit tempered.

Hopefully this can assist in providing some depth and reality to the currency of LHR.


Jetblue - Hybrid LCC
Bamboo - LCC
Westjet - Hybrid LCC
Rwandair - niche
Loganair - Regional
Vistara - Hybrid LCC
Spicejet - LCC

Yes indeed, this should make people realize where LHR is headed.

1.3 million migrant workers have left the UK in 2020.
London has lost shy of 10% of its population.
It's a mass exodus.

Welcome to a new reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dus-brexit

Not exactly sure what you are trying to argue. Most long standing intercontinental full service carriers already have service to LHR. Most new entrants are naturally going to be LCCs or smaller, regional/niche carriers expanding their reach. These are carriers that have long wanted to serve London, and are using the opportunity to serve the city at its preferred airport instead of LGW or STN (which are filled with LCCs with plenty of Londoners on board pre pandemic).
 
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Re: Indian Carriers Vistara and SpiceJet Bag Coveted London Heathrow LHR Slots for S21

Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:29 pm

Polot wrote:
CaptainHaresh wrote:
Rajahdhani wrote:
Semi-related, let's discuss the trend, and the current winners - in slots to LHR:

JetBlue, of the U.S.A.:



Bamboo Airways, of Vietnam: (proposed to use Terminal 2).



WestJet, of Canada: (proposed to use Terminal 2).



RwandAir, of Rwanda:



Loganair, of the U.K.:



For those interested in completed swap trades, consider:

https://www.acl-uk.org/completed-slot-trades/

Of note - is that there are current exemptions in place;



...so the Indian carriers, gaining slots - is noteworthy, and potentially market changing - however based on the news of other major arrivals to LHR, the news is thus a bit tempered.

Hopefully this can assist in providing some depth and reality to the currency of LHR.


Jetblue - Hybrid LCC
Bamboo - LCC
Westjet - Hybrid LCC
Rwandair - niche
Loganair - Regional
Vistara - Hybrid LCC
Spicejet - LCC

Yes indeed, this should make people realize where LHR is headed.

1.3 million migrant workers have left the UK in 2020.
London has lost shy of 10% of its population.
It's a mass exodus.

Welcome to a new reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dus-brexit

Not exactly sure what you are trying to argue. Most long standing intercontinental full service carriers already have service to LHR. Most new entrants are naturally going to be LCCs or smaller, regional/niche carriers expanding their reach. These are carriers that have long wanted to serve London, and are using the opportunity to serve the city at its preferred airport instead of LGW or STN (which are filled with LCCs with plenty of Londoners on board pre pandemic).


Only suggesting that the race for LHR slots may no longer be what it once was.
London will remain a major city and LHR will remain slot-constrained, but not to the extent that it was when airlines were paying 8 digits to purchase a pair of slots from other airlines.

The same way no airline is in the market for airplanes right now, no airline in their right mind fighting for their survival will be wasting their reserves on slots unless they can get them for free from the coordinator.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:39 pm

CaptainHaresh wrote:
Polot wrote:
CaptainHaresh wrote:

Jetblue - Hybrid LCC
Bamboo - LCC
Westjet - Hybrid LCC
Rwandair - niche
Loganair - Regional
Vistara - Hybrid LCC
Spicejet - LCC

Yes indeed, this should make people realize where LHR is headed.

1.3 million migrant workers have left the UK in 2020.
London has lost shy of 10% of its population.
It's a mass exodus.

Welcome to a new reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dus-brexit

Not exactly sure what you are trying to argue. Most long standing intercontinental full service carriers already have service to LHR. Most new entrants are naturally going to be LCCs or smaller, regional/niche carriers expanding their reach. These are carriers that have long wanted to serve London, and are using the opportunity to serve the city at its preferred airport instead of LGW or STN (which are filled with LCCs with plenty of Londoners on board pre pandemic).


Only suggesting that the race for LHR slots may no longer be what it once was.
London will remain a major city and LHR will remain slot-constrained, but not to the extent that it was when airlines were paying 8 digits to purchase a pair of slots from other airlines.

The same way no airline is in the market for airplanes right now, no airline in their right mind fighting for their survival will be wasting their reserves on slots unless they can get them for free from the coordinator.

Uhh..have you noticed what has been going on world wide in the past year?

These are slots available this summer (and likely winter) as carriers have pared down their flights in response to the global pandemic and the “use it or lose it” rule temporarily suspended. Rather than just have the airport sit at reduced capacity the slots are temporarily being given out to new entrants. Next year the original carriers will get their original slots back (and must use them under the rules) and the new entrants talked about in this thread will have to come up with a way to secure slots if still interested in servicing LHR.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:06 pm

edealinfo wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
edealinfo wrote:


So, does United have the monopoly now among US carriers? And, is is a direct United vs Air India fight?


United was and has been the only US carrier to have nonstop flights for more than 10 years, except for a brief period when DL started flying between JFK and BOM, and has now discontinued due to Covid. Who knows DL may come back as BOM is less served nonstop market from US.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 2:07 pm

jumpjets wrote:
CaliguyNYC wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

JetBlue did get LHR slots. Probably one of the biggest beneficiaries! They got a whopping 270 slots.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jet ... row-slots/


Not sure but I think Jet Blue’s 270 slots are the total slots over the summer schedule. How many flights per day do we think they got? I am only hearing about a flight to JFK and BOS. Anyone know?


According to this article [ https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-g ... row-slots/ ] the slots are available starting the week commencing 2 August when they have 14 slots - enough for one flight a day. That increases in increments to a maximum of 28 slots from the week commencing 20 September through to the end of the summer season, permitting 2 flights a day - presumably one to New York and one to Boston.


They are non historical slots. They won't be flying them. Why would they launch a 3 month schedule only to have no access to LHR after October?
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 3:05 pm

catiii wrote:
Why would they (JetBlue) launch a 3 month schedule only to have no access to LHR after October?


Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that if slots continue to be available in the subsequent season, the preference would be for carriers that established service during the preceding temporary phase. So, it helps to get a foot in the door.
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:56 pm

hohd wrote:
United was and has been the only US carrier to have nonstop flights for more than 10 years, except for a brief period when DL started flying between JFK and BOM, and has now discontinued

Not completely accurate.

AA flew ORD-DEL less than 10yrs ago as well.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:57 pm

edealinfo wrote:
catiii wrote:
Why would they (JetBlue) launch a 3 month schedule only to have no access to LHR after October?


Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that if slots continue to be available in the subsequent season, the preference would be for carriers that established service during the preceding temporary phase. So, it helps to get a foot in the door.


Do you think it’s a prudent business move to take your long range aircraft and deploy them on your first ever trans Atlantic flights to an airport you have no guarantee of access to 3 months after you launch?
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:22 am

CaptainHaresh wrote:
Rajahdhani wrote:
Semi-related, let's discuss the trend, and the current winners - in slots to LHR:

JetBlue, of the U.S.A.:

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/jetblue-appears-to-secure-heathrow-slots-from-2-august/143077.article
JetBlue has been allocated an initial 14 slots weekly, according to ACL. That increases to 22 slots weekly on 13 September and 28 weekly from 20 September through the end of the summer season, on 30 October.


Bamboo Airways, of Vietnam: (proposed to use Terminal 2).

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jetblue-bamboo-airways-westjet-secure-london-heathrow-slots/
Bamboo Airways received slot allocation to fly six times a week to London Heathrow. Specifically, the Vietnamese low-cost carrier secured slots to fly to Ho Chi Minh City three times a week on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays and Hanoi three times a week on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. At the start of May, the airline is eligible to utilize its slots.
Based on Heathrow’s Terminal Finder tool, both flights will arrive at 3:30 p.m. and depart at 5:40 p.m.


WestJet, of Canada: (proposed to use Terminal 2).

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jetblue-bamboo-airways-westjet-secure-london-heathrow-slots/
WestJet obtained slots to London Heathrow for daily flights to Calgary and Vancouver. The Canadian carrier was allocated 732 slots, allowing it to start services as soon as May 1. Currently, the low-cost Canadian airline has slots at neighboring Gatwick that allow four daily services a day to Calgary, Halifax, Toronto and Vancouver.
displays a slot for a 9 a.m. arrival and 11 a.m. departure for Vancouver service and 11:20 a.m. arrival and 1:20 p.m. departure for Calgary service.


RwandAir, of Rwanda:

https://simpleflying.com/new-heathrow-slots/
Rwandair, a growing African carrier, has also received some slots out of Heathrow


Loganair, of the U.K.:

https://simpleflying.com/new-heathrow-slots/Loganair, a regional airline in the UK, appears to have gotten a significant number of Heathrow slots and operations. Loganair is targeting regional routes out of Heathrow to Newquay, Teesside, and the Isle of Man.


For those interested in completed swap trades, consider:

https://www.acl-uk.org/completed-slot-trades/

Of note - is that there are current exemptions in place;

https://www.acl-uk.org/news/further-summer-2021-waiver-announcement/Following the further announcement on 26th February of the UK’s Secretary of State for Transport that legislation has been introduced (to come into force from 26 March 2021) to extend the waiver from the 80:20 slot usage rule to the Summer 2021 season but now without conditions


...so the Indian carriers, gaining slots - is noteworthy, and potentially market changing - however based on the news of other major arrivals to LHR, the news is thus a bit tempered.

Hopefully this can assist in providing some depth and reality to the currency of LHR.


Jetblue - Hybrid LCC
Bamboo - LCC
Westjet - Hybrid LCC
Rwandair - niche
Loganair - Regional
Vistara - Hybrid LCC
Spicejet - LCC

Yes indeed, this should make people realize where LHR is headed.

1.3 million migrant workers have left the UK in 2020.
London has lost shy of 10% of its population.
It's a mass exodus.

Welcome to a new reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dus-brexit


I wouldn’t call WestJet (basically the replacement for Canadian Airlines International), Bamboo (the private competition to Vietnam Airlines), or Vistara (which has a W offering) LCCs. I’m not even sure JetBlue (which has an international style J on certain routes) can be called LCC.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 12:38 pm

Actually, for the argument sake:
1, WestJet has been applying the slots for years. It was high on waitlist for the remedy slot that belong to HAL. HAL allocates some of these remedy slots to give access to new destinations and give more competitations.
2, Bamboo Airways can have typical Asian flights in the evening and there is no menaingful competition on that slots.
3, No comment on Indian carriers as we discussed this earlier.
4, Loganair accesses the now defunct Flybe's regional flights time slots, some are HAL remedy slots, and some are the legacy of BA purchase of BMI. Not only that, since the lockdown, British government was urged by the regional bodies to give access to Heathrow in order to revive the regional economy. Hence the slots awarded to Loganair as it offers the only regional flight solution in UK since Flybe went under.
5, Rwandair: got slot under new destination and new carrier priority in the HAL slot awarding system.

Seriously it is a non-story. All these carriers got their slot based on their application, British government's policies (to encourage more connection to the unserved destination, to encourage competition on certain market and to provide more regional connection) as well as remedy slot availability.

I will only get worried when Ryanair or easyjet got slots to fly to sun sand destinations like Alicante, Malaga and Algarve, then that is the sign of desperation.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 1:56 pm

catiii wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
catiii wrote:
Why would they (JetBlue) launch a 3 month schedule only to have no access to LHR after October?


Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that if slots continue to be available in the subsequent season, the preference would be for carriers that established service during the preceding temporary phase. So, it helps to get a foot in the door.


Do you think it’s a prudent business move to take your long range aircraft and deploy them on your first ever trans Atlantic flights to an airport you have no guarantee of access to 3 months after you launch?


Firstly, we are not talking about 777 or 787 or something similar. JetBlue's "long range" aircraft are modified Airbus A321 with extra fuel tanks.

Any yeah, I think its a worthwhile move if it helps JetBlue get a foot in the door at LHR.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 5:26 pm

chonetsao wrote:
I will only get worried when Ryanair or easyjet got slots to fly to sun sand destinations like Alicante, Malaga and Algarve.


Why is that bad?
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:16 pm

edealinfo wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
I will only get worried when Ryanair or easyjet got slots to fly to sun sand destinations like Alicante, Malaga and Algarve.


Why is that bad?


That means Heathrow is toasted on many levels. First, those sun sand destinations basically is for ultra cheap package holidays for Brits. Conventionally they were flown from airport with less charges in order to keep the ticket price down. Often you can get £9.99 one way ticket with Ryanair, and that fare is not even enough to pay for Heathrow charges. If you start to see those airlines flying these ultra cheap holiday routes with their clientele, it shows how far Heathrow is falling to want that part of business so badly. Second, because of the nature of the flights and typical passenger fix, Heathrow has to have ultra low charges for LCC airlines like Ryanair or easyJet to operate and to survive. The current cost structure just can not support the routes mentioned. British Airways can operate those routes because they offer a business class and connection opportunities, as well as a good in house holiday department. Even that BA is operating these routes on a very limited bases (compare with the market share of Ryanair in those cities to UK&I). Third, those routes does not bring any economic benefits. One of the criteria for the slot allocation is based on potential economic benefits to UK, that is why some of the long haul routes to India and Asia got prioritised for slots allocation. If Ryanair can operate Heathrow to Alicante or Malaga, it only shows there are so many slots surplus that HAL has to totally discount any slot criteria. I hope above information helps, but I know it is difficult to explain the reason to readers who are outside UK and Ireland without understanding of the background on Brits holiday destinations and the nature of Ryanair holiday makers.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:37 pm

edealinfo wrote:
catiii wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Someone correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding is that if slots continue to be available in the subsequent season, the preference would be for carriers that established service during the preceding temporary phase. So, it helps to get a foot in the door.


Do you think it’s a prudent business move to take your long range aircraft and deploy them on your first ever trans Atlantic flights to an airport you have no guarantee of access to 3 months after you launch?


Firstly, we are not talking about 777 or 787 or something similar. JetBlue's "long range" aircraft are modified Airbus A321 with extra fuel tanks.

Any yeah, I think its a worthwhile move if it helps JetBlue get a foot in the door at LHR.


That's incredibly poor planning. "Let's take the 3 LRs we have and deploy them into Heathrow on poorly timed non-historics for 3 months with no guarantee that at 3 months and 1 day we won't be kicked out, and left with no other London options."

"A foot in the door" is not a winning strategy.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:38 pm

edealinfo wrote:
JetBlue's "long range" aircraft are modified Airbus A321 with extra fuel tanks.



With a long haul layout. What are they going to do with it when London doesn't work? Sure you can fly it to LAX and SFO, but it's not an optimal layout for transcon.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:00 pm

catiii wrote:

"A foot in the door" is not a winning strategy.


And, so is penny wise pound foolish.
 
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Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:15 pm

chonetsao wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
I will only get worried when Ryanair or easyjet got slots to fly to sun sand destinations like Alicante, Malaga and Algarve.


Why is that bad?


That means Heathrow is toasted on many levels. First, those sun sand destinations basically is for ultra cheap package holidays for Brits. Conventionally they were flown from airport with less charges in order to keep the ticket price down. Often you can get £9.99 one way ticket with Ryanair, and that fare is not even enough to pay for Heathrow charges. If you start to see those airlines flying these ultra cheap holiday routes with their clientele, it shows how far Heathrow is falling to want that part of business so badly. Second, because of the nature of the flights and typical passenger fix, Heathrow has to have ultra low charges for LCC airlines like Ryanair or easyJet to operate and to survive. The current cost structure just can not support the routes mentioned. British Airways can operate those routes because they offer a business class and connection opportunities, as well as a good in house holiday department. Even that BA is operating these routes on a very limited bases (compare with the market share of Ryanair in those cities to UK&I). Third, those routes does not bring any economic benefits. One of the criteria for the slot allocation is based on potential economic benefits to UK, that is why some of the long haul routes to India and Asia got prioritised for slots allocation. If Ryanair can operate Heathrow to Alicante or Malaga, it only shows there are so many slots surplus that HAL has to totally discount any slot criteria. I hope above information helps, but I know it is difficult to explain the reason to readers who are outside UK and Ireland without understanding of the background on Brits holiday destinations and the nature of Ryanair holiday makers.


A very opinion orientated post if I may say so. So BA will well be able to fly Alicante, Malaga and Faro because the offer business class and onward connections. Remembering BA doesn't like economy passengers, except when it suits their interests, you're saying that they can sustain flights indefinitely to those destinations based on their 'business' passengers, right? Onward connections? How many business class passengers are going to be using those destinations for onward connections......to where? As for "BA is operating these routes on a very limited bases".... well yes, that would be correct seeing as they have little interest in flying from anywhere in UK except to suit their 'connections' in Heathrow. So, you are saying that those business class passengers are going to connect on BA in London to fly to Alicante, Malaga and Faro....when they could fly straight to all three for a fraction of the price. Yeah right!!! Business passengers rarely like to put their hand in their pockets for anything not paid for by others, so your thesis would be highly dubious. I actually don't think you fully understand British people holiday destinations, or Ryanair's holiday makers, but that does clearly show with the type od post. As a sidenote, and it must be very shocking to some, but your beloved BA would give their right arm for Ryanair's passenger volume....and when it suits they'd be after them in a flash. Don't tell me 'businessmen' don't fly Ryanair or Easyjet when it's at their own cost.
 
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JBU may have been allocated slots but haven't decided whether to use them yet

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... row-slots/
 
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catiii wrote:

"A foot in the door" is not a winning strategy.


And, so is penny wise pound foolish.


What does penny wise pound foolish have to do with anything? They have the money to do it. You’re suggesting they launch trans Atlantic service into an airport they have no guarantee to serve after the summer season ends 3 months after they launch. No sane airline network planner would ever do that. It’s a monumentally foolish risk. “Hey JetBlue customers, we are only going to sell three months of London service because we can’t guarantee we can fly you to London after the summer slot season.”

Do you understand what historic vs non historic slots are?
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JBU may have been allocated slots but haven't decided whether to use them yet

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... row-slots/


This is a prudent approach.
 
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catiii wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
JBU may have been allocated slots but haven't decided whether to use them yet

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... row-slots/


This is a prudent approach.

JetBlue would be crazy to launch flights when there's still a ban on travel to the US for the general visitor. Hopefully an air bridge with the UK will be announced soon and a firm date given for travel to restart, then we'll see B6 landing at LHR.
 
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TC957 wrote:
catiii wrote:
fcogafa wrote:
JBU may have been allocated slots but haven't decided whether to use them yet

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... row-slots/


This is a prudent approach.

JetBlue would be crazy to launch flights when there's still a ban on travel to the US for the general visitor. Hopefully an air bridge with the UK will be announced soon and a firm date given for travel to restart, then we'll see B6 landing at LHR.



My recommendation is for both countries to agree that fully immunized passengers travel freely. Already, Iceland accepts immunized passengers.
 
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JBU may have been allocated slots but haven't decided whether to use them yet

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... row-slots/


Ah, they are trying the make the 3 London airports compete. Sensible approach.
 
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You’re suggesting they launch trans Atlantic service into an airport they have no guarantee to serve after the summer season ends 3 months after they launch. No sane airline network planner would ever do that. It’s a monumentally foolish risk. “Hey JetBlue customers, we are only going to sell three months of London service because we can’t guarantee we can fly you to London after the summer slot season.” ?


If LHR slots won't continue move to LGW or Stanstead where slots will definitely be available. It is not like the choice is LHR or no London at all.
 
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edealinfo wrote:
TC957 wrote:
catiii wrote:

This is a prudent approach.

JetBlue would be crazy to launch flights when there's still a ban on travel to the US for the general visitor. Hopefully an air bridge with the UK will be announced soon and a firm date given for travel to restart, then we'll see B6 landing at LHR.



My recommendation is for both countries to agree that fully immunized passengers travel freely. Already, Iceland accepts immunized passengers.


Can we raise the level of conversation?

I mean, statements like above you may as well say "both countries should vaccinate all people". Reality isn't so simple.
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catiii wrote:
You’re suggesting they launch trans Atlantic service into an airport they have no guarantee to serve after the summer season ends 3 months after they launch. No sane airline network planner would ever do that. It’s a monumentally foolish risk. “Hey JetBlue customers, we are only going to sell three months of London service because we can’t guarantee we can fly you to London after the summer slot season.” ?


If LHR slots won't continue move to LGW or Stanstead where slots will definitely be available. It is not like the choice is LHR or no London at all.


It is when you have to actually FLY the slots with the limited tails they have to fly them with. You think they can just get slots at LGW and not fly them to instead fly LHR?

Have you ever managed a slot portfolio?
 
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fcogafa wrote:
JBU may have been allocated slots but haven't decided whether to use them yet

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... row-slots/


Ah, they are trying the make the 3 London airports compete. Sensible approach.


There’s nothing to compete for. LHR has made its decision: non historic slots for the back half of the summer slot season. If there were other historic slots LHR could issue they would have.
 
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Antarius wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
TC957 wrote:
JetBlue would be crazy to launch flights when there's still a ban on travel to the US for the general visitor. Hopefully an air bridge with the UK will be announced soon and a firm date given for travel to restart, then we'll see B6 landing at LHR.



My recommendation is for both countries to agree that fully immunized passengers travel freely. Already, Iceland accepts immunized passengers.


Can we raise the level of conversation?

I mean, statements like above you may as well say "both countries should vaccinate all people". Reality isn't so simple.


What’s wrong with saying if you’ve been immunized you can travel? How is that lowering the level of conversation? Seems a prudent position to me. “You can’t travel transborder if you haven’t been immunized, you can travel if you have.”
 
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catiii wrote:
Antarius wrote:
edealinfo wrote:


My recommendation is for both countries to agree that fully immunized passengers travel freely. Already, Iceland accepts immunized passengers.


Can we raise the level of conversation?

I mean, statements like above you may as well say "both countries should vaccinate all people". Reality isn't so simple.


What’s wrong with saying if you’ve been immunized you can travel? How is that lowering the level of conversation? Seems a prudent position to me. “You can’t travel transborder if you haven’t been immunized, you can travel if you have.”


It has nothing to do with the carriers air service. It's a perfectly fine statement in a COVID thread.

Given that the situation is what it is, B6, SG, UK will need to make a decision based on reality. Obviously it would be nice to not have to deal with COVID, but that's pretty much the same sentiment that every airline has. And none of them have control of border policies.
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It has nothing to do with the carriers air service. It's a perfectly fine statement in a COVID thread.


It had to do with launching trans border flights to LHR given the ACL awards and for which they've obtained three months worth of non-historic slots, in the middle of a pandemic, and if that made sense and the circumstances that makes sense. It's tangential to the slot award discussion.
 
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catiii wrote:
Antarius wrote:
It has nothing to do with the carriers air service. It's a perfectly fine statement in a COVID thread.


It had to do with launching trans border flights to LHR given the ACL awards and for which they've obtained three months worth of non-historic slots, in the middle of a pandemic, and if that made sense and the circumstances that makes sense. It's tangential to the slot award discussion.


Well, then let's just start saying that covid should vanish. Because why stop at fanciful mediums.

The point is that B6 has no control over this. So bringing it up as a "what they should do" is worthless. the situation is what it is and B6 doesn't control border policies.
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Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:14 am

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Rajahdhani wrote:
Semi-related, let's discuss the trend, and the current winners - in slots to LHR:

JetBlue, of the U.S.A.:

https://www.flightglobal.com/networks/jetblue-appears-to-secure-heathrow-slots-from-2-august/143077.article
JetBlue has been allocated an initial 14 slots weekly, according to ACL. That increases to 22 slots weekly on 13 September and 28 weekly from 20 September through the end of the summer season, on 30 October.


Bamboo Airways, of Vietnam: (proposed to use Terminal 2).

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jetblue-bamboo-airways-westjet-secure-london-heathrow-slots/
Bamboo Airways received slot allocation to fly six times a week to London Heathrow. Specifically, the Vietnamese low-cost carrier secured slots to fly to Ho Chi Minh City three times a week on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays and Hanoi three times a week on Mondays, Wednesdays and Saturdays. At the start of May, the airline is eligible to utilize its slots.
Based on Heathrow’s Terminal Finder tool, both flights will arrive at 3:30 p.m. and depart at 5:40 p.m.


WestJet, of Canada: (proposed to use Terminal 2).

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jetblue-bamboo-airways-westjet-secure-london-heathrow-slots/
WestJet obtained slots to London Heathrow for daily flights to Calgary and Vancouver. The Canadian carrier was allocated 732 slots, allowing it to start services as soon as May 1. Currently, the low-cost Canadian airline has slots at neighboring Gatwick that allow four daily services a day to Calgary, Halifax, Toronto and Vancouver.
displays a slot for a 9 a.m. arrival and 11 a.m. departure for Vancouver service and 11:20 a.m. arrival and 1:20 p.m. departure for Calgary service.


RwandAir, of Rwanda:

https://simpleflying.com/new-heathrow-slots/
Rwandair, a growing African carrier, has also received some slots out of Heathrow


Loganair, of the U.K.:

https://simpleflying.com/new-heathrow-slots/Loganair, a regional airline in the UK, appears to have gotten a significant number of Heathrow slots and operations. Loganair is targeting regional routes out of Heathrow to Newquay, Teesside, and the Isle of Man.


For those interested in completed swap trades, consider:

https://www.acl-uk.org/completed-slot-trades/

Of note - is that there are current exemptions in place;

https://www.acl-uk.org/news/further-summer-2021-waiver-announcement/Following the further announcement on 26th February of the UK’s Secretary of State for Transport that legislation has been introduced (to come into force from 26 March 2021) to extend the waiver from the 80:20 slot usage rule to the Summer 2021 season but now without conditions


...so the Indian carriers, gaining slots - is noteworthy, and potentially market changing - however based on the news of other major arrivals to LHR, the news is thus a bit tempered.

Hopefully this can assist in providing some depth and reality to the currency of LHR.


Jetblue - Hybrid LCC
Bamboo - LCC
Westjet - Hybrid LCC
Rwandair - niche
Loganair - Regional
Vistara - Hybrid LCC
Spicejet - LCC

Yes indeed, this should make people realize where LHR is headed.

1.3 million migrant workers have left the UK in 2020.
London has lost shy of 10% of its population.
It's a mass exodus.

Welcome to a new reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dus-brexit


sorry westjet is not hybrid lcc they have transitioned to full service carrier.
 
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CaptainHaresh wrote:
Rajahdhani wrote:
Semi-related, let's discuss the trend, and the current winners - in slots to LHR:

JetBlue, of the U.S.A.:



Bamboo Airways, of Vietnam: (proposed to use Terminal 2).



WestJet, of Canada: (proposed to use Terminal 2).



RwandAir, of Rwanda:



Loganair, of the U.K.:



For those interested in completed swap trades, consider:

https://www.acl-uk.org/completed-slot-trades/

Of note - is that there are current exemptions in place;



...so the Indian carriers, gaining slots - is noteworthy, and potentially market changing - however based on the news of other major arrivals to LHR, the news is thus a bit tempered.

Hopefully this can assist in providing some depth and reality to the currency of LHR.


Jetblue - Hybrid LCC
Bamboo - LCC
Westjet - Hybrid LCC
Rwandair - niche
Loganair - Regional
Vistara - Hybrid LCC
Spicejet - LCC

Yes indeed, this should make people realize where LHR is headed.

1.3 million migrant workers have left the UK in 2020.
London has lost shy of 10% of its population.
It's a mass exodus.

Welcome to a new reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr ... dus-brexit


I wouldn’t call WestJet (basically the replacement for Canadian Airlines International), Bamboo (the private competition to Vietnam Airlines), or Vistara (which has a W offering) LCCs. I’m not even sure JetBlue (which has an international style J on certain routes) can be called LCC.


Whole heartedly agree.
 
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CaptainHaresh wrote:
Do LHR slots even hold any value anymore?
They were hot commodities when everything ran like clockwork, it may take a while to get back up there and it’s not sure that airlines and pax will flock back to LHR.
Covid will rearrange many things and in the meanwhile Brexit has quietly happened and trade is going to shift a lot.
The U.K. has now become an island up there that Europeans don’t care for.
A niche market that’s too inconvenient to bother.

LHR may never fully recover from this crisis.


Of course they hold value, which is why every carrier in the world is trying to get more including new entrants who can't get into LHR with meaningfully timed historical (or even non historical) slots.


I think "every carrier in the world" is not an accurate statement. Hopefully most of us can see that! Read the threads above - some airlines have indeed exited slots - e.g recently - NZ - which had two daily flights at one point. NZ is not clamouring for slots and they are not totally alone! Instead, NZ have shifted their focus to nonstop destinations from one-stops and they will be left with just one one-stop flight AFAIK; AKL-RAR-LAX assuming it resumes. Meanwhile good timing from one perspective may not be so good from another. So while mid-late evening slots may not be flavour of the month for the ME3 and those travelling to the US.. it's not so bad for non-stops to East Asia, Southern Africa and South America. I do agree with you, however, that the slots hold value and I only see it as a matter of time (and not decades) before demand returns to pre-Covid levels.... the only question is how fast and few if any of us have enough information to accurately predict that quite yet.
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I wouldn’t call WestJet (basically the replacement for Canadian Airlines International), Bamboo (the private competition to Vietnam Airlines), or Vistara (which has a W offering) LCCs. I’m not even sure JetBlue (which has an international style J on certain routes) can be called LCC.

Is there even a difference between a LCC and a so called Full Service carrier, anymore? If there is one I haven't experienced it.
In the last year I flew both United and JetBlue. On both carriers, if I want to pick a seat I have to pay for it, if I want to check a bag I have to pay for it, if I want to use a lounge I have to pay for it, if I want to eat a meal I can't, and if I so much as want to bring a full size carry-on on UA and soon on B6 you guessed it, I have to pay for it.
In other words, the only thing that is relevant these days is price and schedule.
 
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aemoreira1981 wrote:

I wouldn’t call WestJet (basically the replacement for Canadian Airlines International), Bamboo (the private competition to Vietnam Airlines), or Vistara (which has a W offering) LCCs. I’m not even sure JetBlue (which has an international style J on certain routes) can be called LCC.

Is there even a difference between a LCC and a so called Full Service carrier, anymore? If there is one I haven't experienced it.
In the last year I flew both United and JetBlue. On both carriers, if I want to pick a seat I have to pay for it, if I want to check a bag I have to pay for it, if I want to use a lounge I have to pay for it, if I want to eat a meal I can't, and if I so much as want to bring a full size carry-on on UA and soon on B6 you guessed it, I have to pay for it.
In other words, the only thing that is relevant these days is price and schedule.

Well on long haul you do have the option of paying for Premium, Business or First. That's the key difference, traditional locos only really offer the premium economy part, even if it's tarted up and branded "Business."
 
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Is there even a difference between a LCC and a so called Full Service carrier, anymore? If there is one I haven't experienced it.
In the last year I flew both United and JetBlue. On both carriers, if I want to pick a seat I have to pay for it, if I want to check a bag I have to pay for it, if I want to use a lounge I have to pay for it, if I want to eat a meal I can't, and if I so much as want to bring a full size carry-on on UA and soon on B6 you guessed it, I have to pay for it.
In other words, the only thing that is relevant these days is price and schedule.


This is so true for economy class.
 
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Internationally long haul there is a key difference . Full service airlines provide you with meals, spirits etc even in Y cabin.
 
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Westjet flies LGW usually..Did they get LHR slots too?


They were awarded 732 slots for s21 https://www.openjaw.com/newsroom/redire ... his-summer
 
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airbazar wrote:
Is there even a difference between a LCC and a so called Full Service carrier, anymore? If there is one I haven't experienced it.
In the last year I flew both United and JetBlue. On both carriers, if I want to pick a seat I have to pay for it, if I want to check a bag I have to pay for it, if I want to use a lounge I have to pay for it, if I want to eat a meal I can't, and if I so much as want to bring a full size carry-on on UA and soon on B6 you guessed it, I have to pay for it.
In other words, the only thing that is relevant these days is price and schedule.


This is so true for economy class.


It's starting to show up in business class too.
https://www.frommers.com/blogs/arthur-f ... structures

cirrusdragoon wrote:
Internationally long haul there is a key difference . Full service airlines provide you with meals, spirits etc even in Y cabin.

For now but my guess is that will go away too just like at one point we used to have checked bags and seat assignment included with intl long haul carriers.
 
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This looks like Emirates realising they were very late to the game with Premium Economy. They only have a single aircraft with it, this maybe just an interim hybird until it's rolled out.
 
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catiii wrote:
Antarius wrote:
It has nothing to do with the carriers air service. It's a perfectly fine statement in a COVID thread.


It had to do with launching trans border flights to LHR given the ACL awards and for which they've obtained three months worth of non-historic slots, in the middle of a pandemic, and if that made sense and the circumstances that makes sense. It's tangential to the slot award discussion.


Well, then let's just start saying that covid should vanish. Because why stop at fanciful mediums.

The point is that B6 has no control over this. So bringing it up as a "what they should do" is worthless. the situation is what it is and B6 doesn't control border policies.
 
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Antarius wrote:
catiii wrote:
Antarius wrote:
It has nothing to do with the carriers air service. It's a perfectly fine statement in a COVID thread.


It had to do with launching trans border flights to LHR given the ACL awards and for which they've obtained three months worth of non-historic slots, in the middle of a pandemic, and if that made sense and the circumstances that makes sense. It's tangential to the slot award discussion.


Well, then let's just start saying that covid should vanish. Because why stop at fanciful mediums.

The point is that B6 has no control over this. So bringing it up as a "what they should do" is worthless. the situation is what it is and B6 doesn't control border policies.


JetBlue doesn’t have control over if/when they launch Transatlantic to London? Huh?
 
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catiii wrote:
Antarius wrote:
catiii wrote:

It had to do with launching trans border flights to LHR given the ACL awards and for which they've obtained three months worth of non-historic slots, in the middle of a pandemic, and if that made sense and the circumstances that makes sense. It's tangential to the slot award discussion.


Well, then let's just start saying that covid should vanish. Because why stop at fanciful mediums.

The point is that B6 has no control over this. So bringing it up as a "what they should do" is worthless. the situation is what it is and B6 doesn't control border policies.


JetBlue doesn’t have control over if/when they launch Transatlantic to London? Huh?


They don't have control over border policies. Whether or not they choose to launch TATL service is theirs, but it is in the same policies and circumstances that every airline has.

So making statements like "they should allow vaccinated people to travel" is irrelevant to the specifics of B6. It is akin to saying "they should speed up vaccination", which while nice, is not in Jetblue (or any airline's control). Its a general, superficial statement that has no meaning and hence the request to elevate above that.
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i wonder how vistara and spicejet got some slots when jetblue got none. just a thought...


JetBlue did get LHR slots. Probably one of the biggest beneficiaries! They got a whopping 270 slots.

https://airlinegeeks.com/2021/03/27/jet ... row-slots/


Just to clear some confusion I had and some others may also have. JetBlue, according to the link has 270 slots, SpiceJet has 366 slots, WestJet has 732 slots, Bamboo has 314 slots, Loganair has 2914 and Vistara has a sizable 868 slots. Except JetBlue, I didn’t see the others posted, so this may help.
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