MAD-AMM already dropped to 12,99€ on some days.

Ryanairs longest route to Aqaba from Cologne is also on some days for 12,99€

Aqaba is one of the warmest winter destinations of Ryanair - with Agadir and Eilat.

An intercontinental five hour flight for 12,99€ !!!

airlinenavigato wrote:

MAD-AMM already dropped to 12,99€ on some days.

Ryanairs longest route to Aqaba from Cologne is also on some days for 12,99€

Aqaba is one of the warmest winter destinations of Ryanair - with Agadir and Eilat.

An intercontinental five hour flight for 12,99€ !!!

Every single FR route has fares for 12.99 at moment , it's nothing special

hm the Ryanair Fare Finder says it differently.

Living in Europe with international 5 hour flights for 12,99€ is indeed not so special. Only if compared to every other part in the world

Let's pray that they gonna stay with us after the election in Germany on Sunday. It's predicted to become a "green" orientated coalition...

There was the first delivery of a Malta Air MAX in the Ryanair livery.

9H-VUK and 9H-VUG were formerly EI-HGI and EI-HAV.
Their registration was changed still at Boeing in Renton. It's likely they have the Ryanair colors in the cabin.

The next Malta Air MAX 9H-VUL seems to come in the according livery.

https://m.planespotters.net/airframe/bo ... air/e5o2og

airlinenavigato wrote:

hm the Ryanair Fare Finder says it differently.

Living in Europe with international 5 hour flights for 12,99€ is indeed not so special. Only if compared to every other part in the world

Let's pray that they gonna stay with us after the election in Germany on Sunday. It's predicted to become a "green" orientated coalition...

The Election is over. It looks like either an SDP/FDP/Green or CD(S)U/FDP/Green i.e. traffic light or Jamaica Coalition.
SDP and FDP will find it hard to bridge their differences so the Greens will probably just have to content themselves with a Jamaica Coalition and the CDU won't run Lufthansa in to the ground. FDP won't allow CDU to drive others out of the market and won't agree to any policies which are prohibitionary.
The FDP party will be the ones who keep planes still flying. They deal in fact-based policy making, not dogmatic views of Green Evangelists or CDU cronyism.

currently it looks more like a traffic light coalition:
1) Speed limit on every German highway and
2) the try to establish illegal minimum fares on flight tickets. like the Austrian government

Imagine a world with 100% SAF. Nobody could ever say that flying is supposedly very bad for the environment. The green parties would then say, that the cultivable land of SAF takes too much space...

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These are the MAX routes of Ryanair in October:



It looks like Ryanair still doesn't show the MAX seat layout in the booking process. I checked it on some days on one of the most often served MAX route in October STN-SOF. Before the MAX grounding, Ryanair showed the MAX seating layout in the booking process.

The MS-21 can seat also 197 passengers and is almost due to delivery. So MOL needed to take position. He said it's a junk plane. He does not trust the Russian production and the law system. With this comment he may want to do Boeing a favor which is rebuilding reputation for their MAX.

Taking the MS-21 now would be surely a mistake. The supply of spare parts is bad. And it would hardly damage the Ryanair image if there were a plane crash with that plane. Ryanair may take it in 10 years if it had no fatal injury until then.

Still I think it's more likely that Ryanair gonna order a C919 stretch.

https://www-aerotelegraph-com.translate ... tr_pto=nui

The MS-21 has the widest fuselage of single aisle planes which makes it more comfortable to fly. The C919 has the same fuselage width as the A320. Even that the Chinese copied ^^

MOL says he could wait for a MAX10 order 10 years. He will ensure the growth with the current MAX200 order, by selling fewer old planes and by buying or leasing "current generation planes".

According to Planespotters, this and last year Ryanair withdrew from use among other planes: EI-DAM, EI-DAN and EI-ENY. FR may bring them back into the fleet, just to bring Ryanair into a better negotiation position for the MAX10 order ^^

Ryanair could also buy/lease some soon to be phased out A320ceo from Wizz Air ^^

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN2GC0G5

Ryanair connects Tenerife with Agadir. That's nice. I were in both Morocco and on the Canaries and wanted to fly in between.

From AGA to TFS almost all flights this year are for 15€, which could be a sign of a rather low demand..

The idea that FR would risk buying MC-21s is... nothing more than a negotiating tactic. Ryanair flies too many hours per day to trust an airframe from vendor with less than outstanding support. Don't get me wrong, I think the MC-21 is an incredible technical concept, the details of support will determine if any western airlines buy the type and FR won't be the first. Changing from US standard 737 and CFM engines to metric standard aircraft with Pratt's with zero available already trained pilots? My back of the envelope estimate is it will cost FR $400 million to bring in a new type, but possibly as much as $600 million for a plane that so much different than what they are used to. Not insurmountable, but since we're talking 100 MAX 10, we're talking at a price low enough to pay for the conversion and pay for the risk of an unknown type.

airlinenavigato wrote:

MOL says he could wait for a MAX10 order 10 years. He will ensure the growth with the current MAX200 order, by selling fewer old planes and by buying or leasing "current generation planes".

According to Planespotters, this and last year Ryanair withdrew from use among other planes: EI-DAM, EI-DAN and EI-ENY. FR may bring them back into the fleet, just to bring Ryanair into a better negotiation position for the MAX10 order ^^

Ryanair could also buy/lease some soon to be phased out A320ceo from Wizz Air ^^

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN2GC0G5

Ryanair has so many MAX 200 options, I doubt they have any pressing need. They will continue to negotiate and eventually come to terms for a MAX 10 order.

As you note, they have many options. Boeing wasn't being mean, they must also have a business case.

Lightsaber

lightsaber wrote:

The idea that FR would risk buying MC-21s is... nothing more than a negotiating tactic. Ryanair flies too many hours per day to trust an airframe from vendor with less than outstanding support. Don't get me wrong, I think the MC-21 is an incredible technical concept, the details of support will determine if any western airlines buy the type and FR won't be the first. Changing from US standard 737 and CFM engines to metric standard aircraft with Pratt's with zero available already trained pilots? My back of the envelope estimate is it will cost FR $400 million to bring in a new type, but possibly as much as $600 million for a plane that so much different than what they are used to. Not insurmountable, but since we're talking 100 MAX 10, we're talking at a price low enough to pay for the conversion and pay for the risk of an unknown type.

airlinenavigato wrote:

MOL says he could wait for a MAX10 order 10 years. He will ensure the growth with the current MAX200 order, by selling fewer old planes and by buying or leasing "current generation planes".

According to Planespotters, this and last year Ryanair withdrew from use among other planes: EI-DAM, EI-DAN and EI-ENY. FR may bring them back into the fleet, just to bring Ryanair into a better negotiation position for the MAX10 order ^^

Ryanair could also buy/lease some soon to be phased out A320ceo from Wizz Air ^^

https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reu ... SKBN2GC0G5

Ryanair has so many MAX 200 options, I doubt they have any pressing need. They will continue to negotiate and eventually come to terms for a MAX 10 order.

As you note, they have many options. Boeing wasn't being mean, they must also have a business case.

Lightsaber

"nothing more than a negotiating tactic"

Your estimated $400 to $600 million could be a tiny loss if FR would have a fleet of ~100 MS-21 and get the same experience like Interjet and believe me I spend quite some time in Russia, great country, great people but some things are a fair bit different to the Western.
So which options FR has ? Airbus to expensive ( MOL told us ) a risky adventure for an other OEM than A+B , no I believe they stick to Boeing until something really dramastically change. It`s like tomorow IndiGo would order 500 MAX`s
As a side note, I don't want to be petty but why we so often use two different terms here : MS-21 and MC-21 ? I can read Cyrillic and the "C" is an "S" in English

They will certainly not make any "small" orders of alternatives to the A32X and 737.
If they can't get deals then they are better off not releasing old 737-800s and just putting them through heavy maintenance checks to keep one type in operation.

Prolonged use is what they did in the past when they felt used aircraft prices were not what they had hoped for at certain times. Besides they have huge orders and options for MAX 200s and could use these instead.
Let's see if this order finally doesn't happen until year end? It must be tempting to get the numbers right for 2021. My bet is it will happen.

also, if they're plans for world(or at least european wide) domination come to fruition there will be plenty of former competitors' airframes up for grabs.

They clearly seem to prefer new builds in their standard configuration.

-double display-

They do but money talks and if it is cheaper to adapt airframes they will rather than adopt a new type.

They have not done this after their launch phase. They want low maintenance and high reliability and latest efficiency. This is why they need factory new aircraft in their own standard configuration.

if that was an unbreakable rule Laudamotion would be on 737s now. Ryanair are the most pragmatic airline in the air.

They inherited this fleet. No need to throw it away. They certainly wanted to evaluate the buses and see how they work for them. But their own fleet acquisition has always been very strategic and the opposite of mixing up bargain priced sub fleets. However after 9-11 they shopped own specced -800s whenever Boeing had empty production slots to built them.

is there a source that Ryanair still has MAX200 options and possibly how much?

Ryanair has currently intercontinental flights for 5€.

From Porto to Fes in November.


Pic:Google Flights

On all flying days the same fare.

Ryanair banned passengers who used the chargeback for their credit card.

These passengers got the money back from the card issuer even though the flight was operating correctly. The passengers could not take that flight because of Covid restrictions. It's a legal gray area in which Ryanair sees itself in the right. These passengers will be able to fly again with Ryanair after paying the amount in question to the airline.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irisht ... 3fmode=amp

According to this Balkan portal, Ryanair's average loadfactor in ZAG is 40%. If that's true then it is absolutely catastrophic.

https://zamaaero.com/19/10/2021/novosti ... /#comments

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/14 ... 4203852801

Ryanair UK - Edinburgh to Marrakesh. Flights start 18 December 2021

RK514 EDI 0600-1100 RAK (Sat)
RK514 EDI 1510-2010 RAK (Tue)

RK515 RAK 1125-1425 EDI (Sat)
RK515 RAK 2035-2335 EDI (Tue)

Blerg wrote:

According to this Balkan portal, Ryanair's average loadfactor in ZAG is 40%. If that's true then it is absolutely catastrophic.

https://zamaaero.com/19/10/2021/novosti ... /#comments

In comparison: The overall Ryanair load factor in the recent months was 80-82%.

I wonder why Ryanair expands in Zagreb so fast. People there are not used to fly that much due to the high prices of Croatian Airlines before. There are still travel restrictions in Europe. Ryanair may wanted to use the subsidies for new routes before other airlines do it. Wizz Air still don't fly to Zagreb.

https://investor.ryanair.com/traffic/

I wouldn't get too worried about low load factors in the first month of operations. Give it three months before you start to do any serious comparisons, and make an additional allowance in case there is a sudden lockdown across Europe
Ryanair may be opportunistic, but their thinking is not *that* short term. Flooding Zagreb with FR-branded advertising for a few weeks may well fix this. This year, Ryanair are launching 24 routes at Zagreb - ie a significant commitment. Ryanair will be thinking about how to long term dominate Zagreb, particularly when OU as the existing main carrier is known to be weak, not how to just make a quick bit of cash before disappearing into the night

davidjohnson6 wrote:

I wouldn't get too worried about low load factors in the first month of operations. Give it three months before you start to do any serious comparisons, and make an additional allowance in case there is a sudden lockdown across Europe
Ryanair may be opportunistic, but their thinking is not *that* short term. Flooding Zagreb with FR-branded advertising for a few weeks may well fix this. This year, Ryanair are launching 24 routes at Zagreb - ie a significant commitment. Ryanair will be thinking about how to long term dominate Zagreb, particularly when OU as the existing main carrier is known to be weak, not how to just make a quick bit of cash before disappearing into the night

When it comes to ZAG, over the past 20 years or so many LCCs had come and gone, Wizz Air included. Makes you wonder how come none of them managed to considerably expand their presence. If I am not wrong, Eurowings planned Berlin-Zagreb flights but decided against them.
I read somewhere that FR is getting decent subsidies for these flights. Wouldn't surprise me.

As the plague isn't completely over, it's good to know the current ryanair avg load factor to put the 40% into perspective. of course on new routes the LF is usually lower, what airlines try to stimulate with lower fares. 40% seems still very low.

Ryanair gets an 80% discount from ZAG for every new unserved route.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflyi ... -drop/amp/

airlinenavigato wrote:

As the plague isn't completely over, it's good to know the current ryanair avg load factor to put the 40% into perspective. of course on new routes the LF is usually lower, what airlines try to stimulate with lower fares. 40% seems still very low.

Ryanair gets an 80% discount from ZAG for every new unserved route.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/simpleflyi ... -drop/amp/

Croatia also has something called 'Udruzeno oglasavanje' and from what I read online it's like subsidies for marketing. Emirates used to get money from those and I am sure FR does too.
I don't understand why they had to start with so many planes and routes. One plane based there plus a few routes operated from other bases should have been enough for now.

My guess is that they crunched the numbers and figured that Croatia has good enough potential for future growth and they decided to capture a good deal of that market, So they went big from the start to position themselves as the dominant carrier.
I believe that they will add more routes and when the pandemic restrictions are fully lifted they will have the 80-90% loadfactors they used to have back in 2019 and before in far less low profile markets.
So great things are coming for ZAG airport. Not so much for Croatian airlines though or LH, OS and TK who got a lot of transfer pax from Zagreb.

LHAM wrote:

My guess is that they crunched the numbers and figured that Croatia has good enough potential for future growth and they decided to capture a good deal of that market, So they went big from the start to position themselves as the dominant carrier.
I believe that they will add more routes and when the pandemic restrictions are fully lifted they will have the 80-90% loadfactors they used to have back in 2019 and before in far less low profile markets.
So great things are coming for ZAG airport. Not so much for Croatian airlines though or LH, OS and TK who got a lot of transfer pax from Zagreb.

I guess we will have to wait and see what becomes of it all once covid passes. I think a 3-4 plane base is solid for the size of the airport. I don't think OU has a future so it remains to be seen what will become of some regional routes in the future if OU goes bust.

British Airways is suspending ZAG in November, seems like FR impacted them quite a bit. Their London route seems to be the best performer. Flights are scheduled to return from 02.12.

Breathe wrote:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1450372994203852801

Ryanair UK - Edinburgh to Marrakesh. Flights start 18 December 2021

RK514 EDI 0600-1100 RAK (Sat)
RK514 EDI 1510-2010 RAK (Tue)

RK515 RAK 1125-1425 EDI (Sat)
RK515 RAK 2035-2335 EDI (Tue)

Ryanair is really expanding quickly in the UK, according to my napkin maths, they would need at least 5 aircraft, notwithstanding any operational backup aircraft.
so far starting Nov 5th:
3x STN
1x MAN
1x EDI
with more needed In further weeks.
So far we have EI-RUKA/B/C , any news on what the further aircraft will be max8200, lauda A320 or FR 738?

Swiss03 wrote:

Breathe wrote:

https://twitter.com/SeanM1997/status/1450372994203852801

Ryanair UK - Edinburgh to Marrakesh. Flights start 18 December 2021

RK514 EDI 0600-1100 RAK (Sat)
RK514 EDI 1510-2010 RAK (Tue)

RK515 RAK 1125-1425 EDI (Sat)
RK515 RAK 2035-2335 EDI (Tue)

Ryanair is really expanding quickly in the UK, according to my napkin maths, they would need at least 5 aircraft, notwithstanding any operational backup aircraft.
so far starting Nov 5th:
3x STN
1x MAN
1x EDI
with more needed In further weeks.
So far we have EI-RUKA/B/C , any news on what the further aircraft will be max8200, lauda A320 or FR 738?

I’ve read elsewhere Lauda will operating some flights ex MAN

according to planespotters, Ryanair UK has now four 737-800.

https://mobile.twitter.com/JacdecNew/st ... 7382201348


Main question is will it buff out?

According to statista: In 2020 Ryanair's cost were 90€ per passenger!

In 2019 it was somewhat over 30€.

That happens when an efficient airline gets hit by a plague and travel restrictions.

Easyjet had also 90€ per passenger, Wizz 124€, Eurowings 186€ and Norwegian 279€.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... cs-europe/

Former Ryanair planes are popular for freighter conversions.

The latest, EI-DAM goes to ASL Belgium. It's 18 years old.



Ryanair has now 3 aircraft that are older than 18 years.

https://m.planespotters.net/airframe/bo ... ngs/rmm6mr

I thought FR retired planes before they were supposed to go for a D check. How come they have some planes that are this old? Any special reason for keeping them?

Blerg wrote:

I thought FR retired planes before they were supposed to go for a D check. How come they have some planes that are this old? Any special reason for keeping them?

Its more of a case where Ryanair were selling their planes young before to take advantage of the market conditions. They basically got a bunch of then brand new planes post 9/11 at a very good price, and sold most of them quite young and profiting from the sale. The ones that stayed in the fleet were probably required as they expanded over the years.

jeffrey0032j wrote:

Blerg wrote:

I thought FR retired planes before they were supposed to go for a D check. How come they have some planes that are this old? Any special reason for keeping them?

Its more of a case where Ryanair were selling their planes young before to take advantage of the market conditions. They basically got a bunch of then brand new planes post 9/11 at a very good price, and sold most of them quite young and profiting from the sale. The ones that stayed in the fleet were probably required as they expanded over the years.

Interesting, thank you.

Why is Ryanair building four brands in Europe? Surely it just dilutes the main brand? Especially Malta Air as I always thought geographically named airlines were at a disadvantage to more generic named airlines. Keeping a purchased name like Lauda is understandable as it has some recognition but Malta Air now has 130 aircraft which is way beyond what I would have thought is necessary to take advantage of local recognition. Would they all be in Malta Air livery?
Or is it to do with staffing costs / unions etc?

metalinyoni wrote:

Why is Ryanair building four brands in Europe? Surely it just dilutes the main brand? Especially Malta Air as I always thought geographically named airlines were at a disadvantage to more generic named airlines. Keeping a purchased name like Lauda is understandable as it has some recognition but Malta Air now has 130 aircraft which is way beyond what I would have thought is necessary to take advantage of local recognition. Would they all be in Malta Air livery?
Or is it to do with staffing costs / unions etc?

-Malta air exists to get around Irish tax residency laws ( which have since been reformed)

metalinyoni wrote:

Why is Ryanair building four brands in Europe? Surely it just dilutes the main brand? Especially Malta Air as I always thought geographically named airlines were at a disadvantage to more generic named airlines. Keeping a purchased name like Lauda is understandable as it has some recognition but Malta Air now has 130 aircraft which is way beyond what I would have thought is necessary to take advantage of local recognition. Would they all be in Malta Air livery?
Or is it to do with staffing costs / unions etc?

Only a handful of the new MAX's are in the Malta Air colours, the brand is Ryanair and they (all) fly on FR codes with RYR "Ryanair" callsigns.

skipness1E wrote:

they (all) fly on FR codes with RYR "Ryanair" callsigns.

And for Ryanair UK flights, the code RK is used

I wonder aviation24.be copies a Ryanair press release and lets it look like it would be the words of the Aviation24.be author.

including:
"Ryanair regrets the unnecessary cancellation of the following flights due to the unlawful actions of the Ministry of Infrastructure:"

"Ryanair repeatedly tried to secure these permissions over the past month, but the faceless bureaucrats from the Ministry of Infrastructure all departed for their holiday break on Friday evening, refusing to issue the routine permissions, demonstrating total indifference to the chaos they have caused to over 3,000 Portuguese passengers whose travel plans to Morocco on the busiest weekend of the year are now in tatters."

https://www.aviation24.be/airlines/ryan ... an-routes/

airlinenavigato wrote:

skipness1E wrote:

they (all) fly on FR codes with RYR "Ryanair" callsigns.

And for Ryanair UK flights, the code RK is used

That's non EU flying out of the UK under the "BlueMax" callsign, MaltaAir and most/all of Buzz is FR/RYR and so branded.

Are there any sources which routes in summer 2022 will be served with the MAX200? Especially of interest ex PMI.