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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Thu Apr 15, 2021 10:15 pm

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I see that fully vaccinated people are to be made exempt from MHQ. While logical, the cynic in me would say the real motive for the move is to “solve” the capacity issue caused by the government’s own incompetence. No point sugar-coating it.


But to be replaced by the need to quarantine at home. What kind of nonsense is that? So we’ve changed our mind and recognised that since you’re fully vaccinated you don’t pose the risk we said but just to be sure let’s lock you up in your own home instead of a hotel... By that logic why bother to
vaccinate because even when 80% of the population are vaccinated you still won’t be free to move about
 
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Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:06 pm

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I don’t. The automatic drive from people in this country when there’s any sort of accident has become to find someone to blame, and they never look in the mirror. Accidents happen, sometimes because of negligence but sometimes because of our own stupidity & the sooner the courts send out a message against spurious claims, the sooner small businesses (obviously not the DAA) can make a living and customers can see insurance go down.


Absolutely right. It’s high time that we start to clamp down on chancers like these. I see no reason why defendants of illegitimate claims should be expected to bear legal costs. It is right that the claimant should have skin in the game.
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:36 am

Aviation industry needs restrictions to end to survive

The aviation industry will not recover if Covid-19 quarantine and travel restrictions remain in place causing significant job losses and irreparable harm to the Irish economy, a new report has claimed.

The Aviation Restart Plan was carried out by the industry members of a subgroup of the National Civil Aviation Development Forum.

www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0415/1210 ... ent-forum/



Aer Lingus calls for government action on Aviation Restart Plan

Aer Lingus has called on the government to facilitate the implementation of a plan to restart Ireland’s aviation industry after more than a year on near dormancy due to the pandemic.

https://extra.ie/2021/04/15/business/ir ... t-plan/amp
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:41 am

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Vaccinated people to be exempt from hotel quarantine


Smart move, hopefully one that will follow all over the world. Now bring on the vaccinations!
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:01 am

ClassicLover wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Vaccinated people to be exempt from hotel quarantine


Smart move, hopefully one that will follow all over the world. Now bring on the vaccinations!


Indeed, but only from MHQ, not a fortnight of isolation at home or privately arranged accommodation, like....a hotel.

It doesn't seem entirely logical to create this halfway house for vaccinated people of MQ in a home/hotel/airBnB of your choosing. We've really created an Irish solution to an Irish problem. Im sure capacity played into it, but I think the number of legal challenges that were settled out of court from vaccinated individuals suggests that it would have been difficult to defend MHQ for the vaccinated as a proportional measure.
If you have been fully vaccinated and not left the country you can have unrestricted contact, indoors with someone who has also been vaccinated. If you have been vaccinated and been abroad, other than to NI, you must self-isolate for 2 weeks. Complex, illogical loopholes like this open both the vaccination programme and the health restrictions open to confusion and misinterpretation, either accidental or intentional. Let's remember Golfgate. The protagonists still protest their innocence.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Fri Apr 16, 2021 9:25 am

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, other than to NI, .


Northern Ireland is opening up 23rd April for various things so will be interesting to see how many people from the ROI cross the border both for traveling and to get a hair cut ! There were some hints that NI may need to bring in restrictions for ROI citizens to avoid them spreading C-19 but so far nothing further has been reported on that.

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Arrivals to Shannon Airport chaperoned by bus to Dublin for mandatory hotel quarantine

Passengers landing at Shannon Airport are travelling to Dublin after arrival to complete mandatory hotel quarantine.

Defence Forces personnel meet individuals that arrive into Shannon Airport, Cork Airport and Cork Port on arrival and are then chaperoned by bus to their quarantine facilities in the capital, as first reported by The Irish Examiner.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health told to The Clare Echo, “The vast majority of incoming passengers arrive through Dublin Airport, with a small number coming from Shannon, Cork and sea ports”.

Facilities in regional locations “have not been stepped-up for the purposes of mandatory hotel quarantine at this point,” the spokesperson outlined.

www.clareecho.ie/arrivals-to-shannon-ai ... uarantine/


So no hotels at or around Shannon Airport can be used for MHQ so passengers have to travel 235KM to Dublin Airport.
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 11:54 am

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BrianDromey wrote:
, other than to NI, .


Northern Ireland is opening up 23rd April for various things so will be interesting to see how many people from the ROI cross the border both for traveling and to get a hair cut ! There were some hints that NI may need to bring in restrictions for ROI citizens to avoid them spreading C-19 but so far nothing further has been reported on that.

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Arrivals to Shannon Airport chaperoned by bus to Dublin for mandatory hotel quarantine

Passengers landing at Shannon Airport are travelling to Dublin after arrival to complete mandatory hotel quarantine.

Defence Forces personnel meet individuals that arrive into Shannon Airport, Cork Airport and Cork Port on arrival and are then chaperoned by bus to their quarantine facilities in the capital, as first reported by The Irish Examiner.

A spokesperson for the Department of Health told to The Clare Echo, “The vast majority of incoming passengers arrive through Dublin Airport, with a small number coming from Shannon, Cork and sea ports”.

Facilities in regional locations “have not been stepped-up for the purposes of mandatory hotel quarantine at this point,” the spokesperson outlined.

http://www.clareecho.ie/arrivals-to-sha ... uarantine/


So no hotels at or around Shannon Airport can be used for MHQ so passengers have to travel 235KM to Dublin Airport.


Not enough passengers to justify setting up and staffing an operation with so few arrivals. By all accounts set it up but increase the costs to offset and not have everyone else paying.

No flights at Shannon today and possibly not for at least another month...
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:27 pm

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Italians feel 'discriminated' by hotel quarantine list

The Italian Ambassador to Ireland has said the decision to put Italy on the mandatory hotel quarantine list is "discriminatory" and "excessive".

In a video message, Paulo Serpi told Italians in Ireland that the move would do serious and severe harm to the community living in the country.

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Maybe Im a bit old and grumpy but this seems to be hyperbole to me.
The Italians are still able to enter, they jut have to adher to Irish public health guidelines.
Not too long ago certain EU nations werent allowing any traveller from Irelnd to even enter their borders. For basically the same public health reasons.


BrianDromey wrote:
Indeed, but only from MHQ, not a fortnight of isolation at home or privately arranged accommodation, like....a hotel.

It doesn't seem entirely logical to create this halfway house for vaccinated people of MQ in a home/hotel/airBnB of your choosing. We've really created an Irish solution to an Irish problem.


Im in favour of home quarantine. The problem is that it will be just like"self isolation". ie. Pointless if people flout it. Over the last year we're seen/heard about the farcial track&trace system.
(Obviously anyone vaccinated will/should be a bit more mindful than some eejit jetting back from a sun holiday during a pandemic)
The data is not fully certain of the efficacy of vaccines regarding transmission. Certainly the numbers from Israel indicate a massive drop in infections. I expect data over the next week or two from the UK will support that idea.

But it's a decent allowance for the moment.
I can't see MHQ lasting more than another month or two anyway. If by end of May we see a drop in daily cases across Europe combined with a majority of arrivals being vaccinated then it will no longer be relevant. Unfortunately however I can see the Irish Govt (and Stephen Donnelly) stubbornly keeping it in place in a attempt yo justify their decisions
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Fri Apr 16, 2021 12:35 pm

I expect the next trance of cancellations from Aer Lingus for EU / USA routes will probably come next week and cover flights until end of June.

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European Commission writes to Govt over quarantine measures

The European Commission has said the Government should use "less restrictive" quarantine measures for citizens arriving from five EU member states and that there should be clear exemptions for essential travel to Ireland.

The commission said it had written to the Government today asking the Irish authorities to clarify the criteria used to determine which EU countries faced mandatory hotel quarantine.

www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0416/1 ... uarantine/
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Fri Apr 16, 2021 3:20 pm

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Looks like Aer Lingus are operating a cargo flight to Dallas on Saturday.
They also operated some recent flights to Miami and JFK so nice to see some movement on the 330 fleet.

Here's a question for the history buffs here.
Will this be the first EI metal ever to visit DFW? The only previous EI metal I can recall here in north Texas was when Southwest leased an EI 737-200 for a year or so back in the 80's and it was a regular at DAL.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:00 pm

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Is it not the case that non-essential travel between the US, Canada and Mexico is restricted? That was my understanding and I cant see any changes on the US or Canada government websites. I wonder what proportion of travel to the US is not from Canada, the UK, EU, Mexico and Brazil? I cant find numbers, but it must be the majority?


The rule is that the USA's land borders are closed to non-essential travel, however there are no such restrictions for air travel. The issue is moot for Canada as they have prohibited entry from the USA for both air and land crossings anyway, save for essential travel. Between Mexico and the USA though there are numerous departures every day - as an example, there are nine direct flights between Cancun and NYC tomorrow.

Arrival stats for foreign nationals (who are not green card holders) into the USA can be found at https://www.trade.gov/i-94-arrivals-program. The top 10 countries for arrivals into the USA by air in Feb 2021 (by country of citizenship) excluding Canada were India, Colombia, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Chile, Venezuela, Peru, Argentina, Honduras and Guatemala - the total number of arrivals was 238,000. For reference, the top 10 in 2019 were UK, Japan, China, South Korea, Germany, Brazil, France, India, Australia and Italy - total number of arrivals 2.4mm. Ireland was 15th on the list. From what I can gather (and this is from just a cursory review of the statistics - I could be misreading them), with the exception of Canada, Mexico and the Bahamas, Ireland has the highest number of visitors to the USA relative to its population by far out of the top 50 countries listed - 491,000 Irish residents entered the USA in 2019 alone, amounting to just about 10% of the Irish population (though obviously many would have taken multiple trips, meaning 10% of population of Ireland didn't actually enter the USA).
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Fri Apr 16, 2021 5:29 pm

Ryanair loses appeal over order to release air incident report

Airline ordered to release fuller version of report of inquiry into incident with 2012 flight

Ryanair has lost an appeal over an order to disclose a fuller version of a report of an investigation into an incident involving one of its flights at the centre of defamation proceedings the airline is taking against one of its former pilots.


www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/r ... -1.4539662
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 6:02 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Vaccinated people to be exempt from hotel quarantine


Smart move, hopefully one that will follow all over the world. Now bring on the vaccinations!


Indeed, you would imagine that with so much talk about extending on line registration to the over 65's in Ireland means that all the over 70's have been vaccinated - this is very far from the reality.
Neither have large numbers of the vulnerable category been vaccinated in the Republic, so it will be some time before these groups can take to the air and return without quarantine.

The rush to quarantine, introduced without much reflection, continues to show cracks.
Two new categories now seemingly do not need to quarantine on entry in a hotel in Ireland anymore
- Parents of Surrogate children returning (cant get Covid perhaps?)
- Elite Sport participants (Tiddlewinks included?)

Must be fun to try to check in passengers for flights to Ireland now. Vaccine cert issued by the Republic of Rockall on line, that will do nicely.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Fri Apr 16, 2021 7:00 pm

Does anyone know where one can find the criteria used by the Government to determine which countries require MHQ? It would be good to investigate this data further.
 
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Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:24 pm

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Does anyone know where one can find the criteria used by the Government to determine which countries require MHQ? It would be good to investigate this data further.


It’s deliberately vague...

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/13 ... 34306?s=21

Details on the 4th slide. The “variants of concern” part could go on infinitum
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:12 am

Just a reminder if you are posting from news sources you must include a link and your own comments, quoting is optional however it must be fair use only
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sat Apr 17, 2021 9:28 am

Warning from Aer Lingus if another Summer is lost. With June and July looking like no real change and further cancelations expected to cover end of June in the coming days the Summer may already be lost.


Aer Lingus faces further cost cuts if summer revenues are lost, chief says

Aer Lingus faces further cost cuts if the Government fails to act on a plan to restart air travel, the carrier’s new chief executive, Lynne Embleton, has warned staff.Ms Embleton warned Aer Lingus staff in an internal memo that there is now a risk of losing this summer, which is when the airline stands to earn most of its revenues.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... -1.4539722

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In the meantime the Irish government had been reported as wanting to not adopt the digital passport this Summer . Although we still do not know what freedom that will give if it is adopted anyway.


Coalition wanted to shut out travel for tourist season with jab passport delay
The Government tried to block attempts to open up foreign travel during the summer tourist season.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/coalition ... 22401.html
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:05 am

Eirules wrote:
EI320 wrote:
Does anyone know where one can find the criteria used by the Government to determine which countries require MHQ? It would be good to investigate this data further.


It’s deliberately vague...

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/13 ... 34306?s=21

Details on the 4th slide. The “variants of concern” part could go on infinitum


Thanks for the link. The “variants of concern” criterion, in the absence of any firm substantiation, basically gives them free reign to add whichever countries they wish, for as long as they wish. The criteria should be quantitative and measurable. That is the only way to ensure full transparency and accountability.

Ultimately, there may always be potential “variants of concern”. So what are we meant to do - retain MHQ indefinitely? Madness.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:17 am

EI320 wrote:
Eirules wrote:
EI320 wrote:
Does anyone know where one can find the criteria used by the Government to determine which countries require MHQ? It would be good to investigate this data further.


It’s deliberately vague...

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/13 ... 34306?s=21

Details on the 4th slide. The “variants of concern” part could go on infinitum


Thanks for the link. The “variants of concern” criterion, in the absence of any firm substantiation, basically gives them free reign to add whichever countries they wish, for as long as they wish. The criteria should be quantitative and measurable. That is the only way to ensure full transparency and accountability.

Ultimately, there may always be potential “variants of concern”. So what are we meant to do - retain MHQ indefinitely? Madness.


Northern Ireland have brought in arrangements for the UK’s red list countries although currently no direct flights to those countries . In the meantime some taxi companies are reporting cross border business .


Lucrative Dublin run for taxi drivers as quarantine dodgers fly to Belfast
‘I’d be averaging four times a week down to Dublin,’ says taxi driver at airport


www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-n ... -1.4539715
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:52 am

It looks like the passport delays were because of technical issues, no database. Recording vaccinations in individual GP records with no national reference number was always going to end like this.
I really don’t think the Irish government want travel in any significant way, based on their actions. NHEPT have taken a very risk averse view of everything from releasing lockdowns to vaccines. They would like MHQ for around 18 months based on reports this week- I dont know what data this is based on. Their decision making is opaque and not open to public scrutiny.
On the whole the speed going into lockdown and early messaging was very good, but hard and nuanced decisions have to be taken as part of the recovery, which is far from the usual parochial politics that can predominate in Ireland.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:23 am

BrianDromey wrote:
It looks like the passport delays were because of technical issues, no database. Recording vaccinations in individual GP records with no national reference number was always going to end like this.
I really don’t think the Irish government want travel in any significant way, based on their actions. NHEPT have taken a very risk averse view of everything from releasing lockdowns to vaccines. They would like MHQ for around 18 months based on reports this week- I dont know what data this is based on. Their decision making is opaque and not open to public scrutiny.
On the whole the speed going into lockdown and early messaging was very good, but hard and nuanced decisions have to be taken as part of the recovery, which is far from the usual parochial politics that can predominate in Ireland.

Whatever about the NPHET, government opposition parties also seem to be united in their position that MHQ should be more robust, all countries included etc. which makes me think it's not going away anytime soon. There is silence all around on the crisis hitting the aviation and tourism industry here i.e. no public representatives fighting their corner (at least not in any meaningful/visible way as far as I can see). Many of our UK/European counterparts took foreign holidays last summer and it looks to be going in that direction again this year with talks of vaccine passport implementation this summer (which the government here is looking to delay) and new "traffic light systems".

As has been mentioned frequently already, new variants "of concern" are going to continue popping up - keeping international travel effectively banned cannot be the solution.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 11:28 am

BrianDromey wrote:
It looks like the passport delays were because of technical issues, no database. Recording vaccinations in individual GP records with no national reference number was always going to end like this.


Is that whats happening in the ROI? If so its very old school. What is needed is a national database that can be used for various things. For instance it could be used by immigration at Irish Airports for Irish citizens to prove they have been vaccinated fully. If consent was given it could be linked to your passport details so when scanned at passport control it showed ok to travel/arrive. It seems then a mess of many programs and databases at the moment which is a nightmare. It may explain why a neighbour of mine over 70 with 3 serious conditions was sent a SMS the other day to say their vaccination appointment was canceled which they never knew they had. A few days later a letter arrived for a new appointment for a date already past.

If we really are to get tourism and aviation back open and running at all we need nationwide modern databases it would also help to track anyone that happened to have been on a flight where someone tested positive. When you think that when I enter my Oneworld or Star Alliance Gold cards into numerous member airlines it shows my status the technology must be there. I guess it comes down to investment but seeing the billions lost so far it would be a worthwhile expense for a system that will be needed for decades to come.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:02 pm

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In the meantime the Irish government had been reported as wanting to not adopt the digital passport this Summer . Although we still do not know what freedom that will give if it is adopted anyway.


Coalition wanted to shut out travel for tourist season with jab passport delay
The Government tried to block attempts to open up foreign travel during the summer tourist season.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/co ... 22401.html


This sounds like it lost the battle, but of course, it will no doubt find new ways to frustrate travel plans. The need for vaccine passports could have been foreseen a year ago (at least); the technology can't b THAT difficult; it's really just another excuse.

God only knows what the waiting list for new passports will be when they finally get to issue new ones and somehow I doubt that they'll be in any hurry to get through the list! I wonder if the EU will have to speak to them about this too, but I doubt this will achieve much.

I can see things reaching a point where airlines get so cheesed off about the Irish government's attitude and policy towards transport that they wind down services and not return until they receive specific assurances as to how any future similar situation might be handled.

I sense that with the message sent by the EU to the government, there is an increasing impatience towards Ireland. Whether this translates into anything meaningful, I don't know. I sense no urgency at govt level. The airline industry issued a new report yesterday, supported by EI, to get aviation moving again; if the govt pays it the slightest attention, I'll be surprised. The problem is manifold:
- short term thinking (they fail to realise that in order to pay for the damage that Covid had caused, they will need aviation to be a big part of that; if they nobble it and undermine its ability to be an effective contributor to growth, and annoy the carriers actually providing service, they will seriously lengthen the amount of time it takes to recover from this;
- lack of leadership. if,as they say, 80% of the population will be vaccinated by July and the most vulnerable are protected; if antigen testing is widely and cheaply available; if everyone still wears masks, then they will have covered almost all of the precautions necessarily to permit flying to happen again. It won't remove the threat entirely, but it will go a long way to doing so. There needs to be a point where people in govt accept that you're not going to get rid of Covid entirely. You take all reasonable precautions, such as protecting the elderly and have robust policies and we should be able to re-start. The problem is that the govt is not in control and does not have a long term strategy. If there were a mechanism for the EU to take direct control of the Irish response, I would support it, but there isn't.

The trouble is that we have the perfect storm of obstacles to a quick emergence from this disaster: poor leadership, an unwillingness to lead, excessive power given to unelected groups, failure to understand the long term consequences of an island nation with an open economy nobbling its airline industry and finally, to cap it all, a transport minister who is openly hostile to aviation.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sat Apr 17, 2021 12:41 pm

Can we try and get away from the Politics please, and back to “ anything” that’s happening in Irish aviation...?
Like what flights are running, what’s cancelled, what movements going thru DUB/SNN etc.....
Politics in the Non-Av please....
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 1:04 pm

kaitak wrote:


I can see things reaching a point where airlines get so cheesed off about the Irish government's attitude and policy towards transport that they wind down services and not return until they receive specific assurances as to how any future similar situation might be handled.


Ryanair have already said they will not invest at the moment . Of course we all know Ryanair often threaten and bluff but it does seem there is some truth to it . I would say many foreign carriers are getting to the point where tough decisions will need to be made. If the home base carrier is exporting aircraft and jobs then others will go where digital passports are actively promoted and accepted .

More on the Ryanair CEO’s comments here :

Ireland 'is last on our list' for investment, Ryanair CEO warns

Ryanair CEO Eddie Wilson has said Ireland is now 'last on its list' for investment going forward.
He pointed to the fact that about 8% of the carrier's traffic is in and out of Ireland.

www.newstalk.com/news/ireland-is-last-o ... ns-1180488
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 3:14 pm

TUGMASTER wrote:
Can we try and get away from the Politics please, and back to “ anything” that’s happening in Irish aviation...?
Like what flights are running, what’s cancelled, what movements going thru DUB/SNN etc.....
Politics in the Non-Av please....


Quite honestly, there is effectively nothing happening in Irish Aviation right now, which is precisely the issue. The current situation is deeply political, so if we ban any form of political discussion from this thread, we may as well close it. The Irish Forum has been a source of lively, respectful debate for over 15 years and political debate has rarely marred the discussion. However, there is an immense feeling of frustration within Irish Aviation right now, due largely to current Government policy, and I believe it’s appropriate that we have the opportunity to debate it. I accept that political discussion has become a greater feature of this thread in the recent weeks, but this is inevitable, and indeed unavoidable, given how politicised Irish Aviation has sadly become.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 5:31 pm

As somebody who has concluded that travelling internationally out of Ireland appears not to be a viable option for the next few months at least, I'm looking into taking a domestic flight to CFN on the Aer Lingus Regional route from DUB at some stage after inter county travel restrictions are lifted. It's been over 10 years since I last flew into CFN - it was a nice scenic landing and it has been long on the to do list to go back. My reluctance to go back has been based mainly on the fact that the airport is quite isolated and has had, to the best of my knowledge, no public transport connections. As somebody who can't drive, this would have left me with little option other than a taxi (And at 55km into Letterkenny where there is reasonably frequent bus route back to Dublin or a choice of hotels, I didn't want to imagine what that taxi would cost!).

However, having done a little bit of research, I notice that there is now a public transport connection Monday to Saturday which links with EI3402 from Dublin. Subject to a timely arrival of EI3402 into CFN at 14:20, there is now the possibility of a Transport for Ireland Local Link service out of the airport at 14:50, which arrives into Crolly at 15:05 (Route 992). A further bus out of Crolly at 15:25 arrives into Letterkenny at 16:30 (Route 271).

Timetables:
https://www.transportforireland.ie/tfi-local-link/
https://www.transportforireland.ie/wp-c ... 4pg-dl.pdf
https://www.transportforireland.ie/wp-c ... jan-20.pdf

I don't know how long route 992 has been running - certainly it wasn't there as an option when I last looked at flying to Donegal, maybe 2 years ago at this stage. However, given that that is the only bus out of Donegal Airport - if the plane is late, you appear to be stuck!

I hope the above is of use to anybody who might be interested in taking a domestic flight up to Donegal from Dublin when inter county travel restrictions are lifted.
 
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Sat Apr 17, 2021 6:42 pm

EISG1129 wrote:
I don't know how long route 992 has been running - certainly it wasn't there as an option when I last looked at flying to Donegal, maybe 2 years ago at this stage. However, given that that is the only bus out of Donegal Airport - if the plane is late, you appear to be stuck!

I hope the above is of use to anybody who might be interested in taking a domestic flight up to Donegal from Dublin when inter county travel restrictions are lifted.


This is really good information, as I didn't know this. I wonder if they hold the bus if the plane is late... probably not, I guess.

When I flew in to Donegal, I stayed overnight at the Caisleáin Óir Hotel, because it was walking distance to the airport. It took 30 or 40 minutes, but since it wasn't raining, it was quite lovely. I then went back to Dublin the next day. Part of the reason I didn't go anywhere else was due to the reasons you outlined around the public transport. Even so, the hotel was fine with extremely good food (massive portions too!).
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sat Apr 17, 2021 10:59 pm

Can't get over to to DFW to catch EI-EIM operating cargo flight EIN955 arriving from DUB this evening, but I will be watching the DFW live cam to hopefully catch this rare event on the live cam feed.
Link to DFW live cam https://hdontap.com/index.php/video/stream/dfw-airport
Arrival due in about an hour.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:04 am

IrishTexan wrote:
Can't get over to to DFW to catch EI-EIM operating cargo flight EIN955 arriving from DUB this evening, but I will be watching the DFW live cam to hopefully catch this rare event on the live cam feed.
Link to DFW live cam https://hdontap.com/index.php/video/stream/dfw-airport
Arrival due in about an hour.

I’m going to take a guess that it’s a first for EI to operate into DFW. I’ve once flown within Kansas ATC area (very southerly route our of LAX)
Similarly there have been 2-3 cargo flights to ATL. Another new destination.had a chat to one of the crew, apparently the cargo area was very impressive.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 18, 2021 10:14 am

DFW was a rumoured new routes but was never launched. I think around the tome AA launched it? It’s a JV route now, of course.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 18, 2021 12:21 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
DFW was a rumoured new routes but was never launched. I think around the tome AA launched it? It’s a JV route now, of course.


Unless I’m missing them, it appears DUB-DFW has been dropped along with DUB-CLT. No real surprise
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 18, 2021 1:23 pm

Loganair cancels planned DUB-MME route that was to begin in May

https://flyinginireland.com/2021/04/log ... lin-route/
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:07 pm

Eirules wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
DFW was a rumoured new routes but was never launched. I think around the tome AA launched it? It’s a JV route now, of course.


Unless I’m missing them, it appears DUB-DFW has been dropped along with DUB-CLT. No real surprise


CLT pushed back until August 18th
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 18, 2021 7:58 pm

Apparently pre-Covid DFW-DUB in EI was planned, maybe this is a sign
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:33 pm

PHL-SNN seems to have dropped from the AA summer schedule.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Mon Apr 19, 2021 7:07 am

Planes4you wrote:
Apparently pre-Covid DFW-DUB in EI was planned, maybe this is a sign


The aim going forward will be to rebuild the core pre Covid Irish - US routes of which some will not come back for a very long time . DFW is not one of these sadly.



An interesting article about the lengths furloughed Pilots are going to survive . There have been a few stories from fruit picking to delivery drivers.


Pilot takes head out of clouds for agricultural contracting

A grounded Aer Lingus pilot has taken his head out of the clouds during the pandemic to pursue a sideline in agricultural contracting.

www.agriland.ie/farming-news/pilot-take ... ntracting/
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:02 am

Planes4you wrote:
Apparently pre-Covid DFW-DUB in EI was planned, maybe this is a sign

Nope. It was never “planned”.
From 2015 onwards EI had a list of about 15-0 possible destinations. DFW was among these.
But even in summer 2019 it didn’t seem like an imminent new route.

IrishTexan wrote:
PHL-SNN seems to have dropped from the AA summer schedule.

Several recent posts in the AA thread indicate updates to their European network. It’s pretty grim.

For Ireland;
CLT-DUB delayed until mid August.
DFW-DUB has been cancelled for the rest of the year. Planned for 2022.
PHL-SNN also cancelled this year. Planned for 2022.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:21 pm

DHL to fly x5 weekly service between Cork and Leipzig with B763.

https://corksafetyalerts.com/news/dhl-e ... k-airport/

Fed-Ex to CDG was last service out of Cork I think.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:23 pm

KLM restarts AMS-BHD today, to be operated 4x weekly with E75:

- 19 Apr 2021 AMS 16.10 - BHD 16.45 E75L PH-EXI
- 19 Apr 2021 BHD 17.15 - AMS 19.50 E75L PH-EXI

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/kl947
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:01 am

An update on the Stobart Air sale .


Isle of Man’s Ettyl flies in for Stobart Air
ESKEN, the owner of Aer Lingus Regional operator Stobart Air, has confirmed it's in advanced discussions to sell the Dublin-based carrier to Isle of Man-based Ettyl.

https://m.independent.ie/business/isle- ... 30874.html



Funding expected to be approved for Cork Airport works within weeks
Earlier today, the Government announced the allocation of over €11 million in Exchequer funding to regional airports.

www.echolive.ie/corknews/arid-40269881.html?type=amp

Funding was also allocated to CFN / KIR / NOC / SNN regional airports. With Shannon getting €6.3 Million.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 7:18 am

JAmie2k9 wrote:
DHL to fly x5 weekly service between Cork and Leipzig with B763.

https://corksafetyalerts.com/news/dhl-e ... k-airport/

Fed-Ex to CDG was last service out of Cork I think.


Looks like they've moved the Condor service from Shannon to Cork
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 8:15 am

As expected Aer Lingus have removed from sale most of the European network flights until the end of June. All the usual popular Summer sun flights have been axed.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:16 am

OA260 wrote:
As expected Aer Lingus have removed from sale most of the European network flights until the end of June. All the usual popular Summer sun flights have been axed.

Flights to England seem to be mostly untouched for June. ORK-LHR is for sale at 4x daily in June, ORK-MAN 2x daily, ORK-BHX and ORK-BRS daily. Both GLA and EDI from Cork have been taken off sale. Slightly odd that the Scottish routes have been taken off sale, but English routes remain. Maybe they are still working through.

LH982 wrote:
JAmie2k9 wrote:
DHL to fly x5 weekly service between Cork and Leipzig with B763.

https://corksafetyalerts.com/news/dhl-e ... k-airport/

Fed-Ex to CDG was last service out of Cork I think.


Looks like they've moved the Condor service from Shannon to Cork

Interesting, it's a good addition, but is presumably temporary until passenger flights come back in some form? Do EI carry much cargo these days on the European routes? I think there was a TNT Bae 146 for many years, to Liege IIRC.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 9:40 am

BrianDromey wrote:
OA260 wrote:
As expected Aer Lingus have removed from sale most of the European network flights until the end of June. All the usual popular Summer sun flights have been axed.

Flights to England seem to be mostly untouched for June. ORK-LHR is for sale at 4x daily in June, ORK-MAN 2x daily, ORK-BHX and ORK-BRS daily. Both GLA and EDI from Cork have been taken off sale. Slightly odd that the Scottish routes have been taken off sale, but English routes remain. Maybe they are still working through.



From what I can gather ORK-DBV/AMS/PMI/AGP/FAO are effected . Some cancelations out of BHD to MAN/BHX/EDI/LBA/EMA/EXT are also off sale until 31st May. The usual USA routes are further suspended along with YYZ too.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 12:58 pm

EIEIDW wrote:
CLT pushed back until August 18th


I had heard that this was being axed altogether but maybe as its still showing in the systems it was saved? Or maybe they have not updated the systems yet.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:20 pm

Belfast City - Newquay is now listed on the Aer Lingus website and app. Appears to be stating in June
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 3:33 pm

Looks like the Stobart deal is done

Esken sells Stobart Air to Isle of Man-based Ettyl

www.independent.ie/business/irish/esken ... 33648.html
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 20, 2021 6:13 pm

2 New Aer Lingus Regional Routes:

DUB-EXT Begins 30 August 2021 4x Weekly
BHD-NQY Begins 28 June 2021 3x Weekly
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Wed Apr 21, 2021 6:26 am

Aer Lingus has pushed out its season on DUB - ADB extending it to end of October. They could even get November out of it. They may do this with a number of routes should travel open up end of August so get a few months out of them where usually these would end in September. We could see some Greek Island routes extended also if they decide to go with that strategy.



Looking at the schedules AY are hoping to increase DUB - HEL to 4 per week from June .

AF ORK - CDG restart end of May and ORK - AMS due to go daily in May .

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