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Eirules wrote:.......
I really hope that all those screaming for MHQ and we turn ourselves into Craggy Island have a good hard look at the nonsense they’ve demanded and now received
Fliplot wrote:Shannon-siders must be ecstatic. They can fly to Corfu but not London, Manchester, Birmingham or even Edinburgh or Glasgow! Wait now! It is FR so it might never get off the ground.
How random is that destination?
BrianDromey wrote:It would seem that the Greek islands will be popular this year - if the restrictions allow. Many years ago Falcon used to offer Zakynthos from Cork, but I cant think of any other routes. I guess its a fairly long sector from Ireland, so that might put the likes of FR and EI off it, although BOB might be decent, utilisation is low and other ancillaries would be limited.
OA260 wrote:Looking at the schedules it looks like Aer Lingus Regional have further extended their cancellation of routes until June on various routes from DUB ORK SNN and BHD. Expect the European cancellations will follow .
Is Ryanair right to be optimistic about passenger numbers?
Aviation industry needs help from vaccine programmes and traffic light system
Covid-19 travel bans may have grounded many of Ryanair’s planes over the past year, but they don’t appear to have dented its ambitions.
On Wednesday the Irish airline, Europe’s largest, said that it expected losses in this financial year, which ends on March 31st, 2022, to be €800 million-€850 million, rather than the €850 million-€950 million it had previously guided.
http://www.irishtimes.com/business/tran ... -1.4531488
shamrock321 wrote:I flew from Dublin to Heathrow yesterday as I’m due to restart work with BA this weekend! I didn’t encounter a single guard during my journey and at no point did anyone question why I was leaving the country! Should I have?
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kaitak wrote:From the 17th May, British people will no longer have to complete a form to give a reason for leaving the country, so that is likely to be the day that things get very interesting. I think there will be massive pressure on the govt to come up with a plan; I don't think they will. I think there will be some negative comments about people trekking up to BFS/BHD (or even Derry) and flying out of there. Much like the garda checkpoints at airport security, there will be a "show" and maybe one or two people will be turned back, but you will see a trickle turn into a flow. As our vax program gets into high gear and more and more people get their jabs, it will become more and more difficult for the govt to defend its position and they will have to move.
kaitak wrote:shamrock321 wrote:I flew from Dublin to Heathrow yesterday as I’m due to restart work with BA this weekend! I didn’t encounter a single guard during my journey and at no point did anyone question why I was leaving the country! Should I have?
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I'm back myself since last Saturday and haven't seen any garda activity; granted, I don't go through the vehicle checkpoints at T1 and T2, but there is no one at the pax security screening areas. I think it's all just for show, to create an impression.
From the 17th May, British people will no longer have to complete a form to give a reason for leaving the country, so that is likely to be the day that things get very interesting. I think there will be massive pressure on the govt to come up with a plan; I don't think they will. I think there will be some negative comments about people trekking up to BFS/BHD (or even Derry) and flying out of there. Much like the garda checkpoints at airport security, there will be a "show" and maybe one or two people will be turned back, but you will see a trickle turn into a flow. As our vax program gets into high gear and more and more people get their jabs, it will become more and more difficult for the govt to defend its position and they will have to move.
Looking at how Irish aviation policy has worked in the past (remember how the SNN stopover was only changed when it became impossible to sustain it, because of Open Skies, and T2 was only built because T1 was full and the DAA shoehorned into a corner they found ... Things only happen in Irish aviation because a metaphorical gun is put to their heads; they'll simply say "ah lads, look, half the country is flying via Belfast, we really have to move on this".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56682226
The situation in the UK is not as clear cut as you suggest.
The 17th is the earliest date and will start with a traffic light system.
We will be told which countries are in each band in 'early May'.
A lot of countries will be in Red, which means testing, (including at least 1 PCR) and hotel quarantine, (probably about £1,700).
Pathetic, but that's the way it will work.
shamrock321 wrote:I flew from Dublin to Heathrow yesterday as I’m due to restart work with BA this weekend! I didn’t encounter a single guard during my journey and at no point did anyone question why I was leaving the country! Should I have?
The Aer Lingus 321 NEO is nice but not sure how comfortable it would be for a longer journey especially when the person in front reclines which they did. There was no catering on the flight either, is this normal for the Heathrow flights? I thought there was a reduced Bia menu.
Regardless the crew were lovely as usual, and hopefully it won’t be too long until I’m back at DUB.
Eirules wrote:I think we’re in really dangerous territory here. With no end date / review date, ending the free movement of people within the EU & forced detention of even those fully vaccinated, this is setting a very dangerous precedent.
If domestic case numbers were close to zero I could understand (whether I agree or not is another thing) but given we’re seeing 3000 cases/wk domestically and evidence that every vaccine significantly lowers death & severe disease against all known variants, I’m not sure where the justification to remove countries will come from
JAmie2k9 wrote:Eirules wrote:I think we’re in really dangerous territory here. With no end date / review date, ending the free movement of people within the EU & forced detention of even those fully vaccinated, this is setting a very dangerous precedent.
If domestic case numbers were close to zero I could understand (whether I agree or not is another thing) but given we’re seeing 3000 cases/wk domestically and evidence that every vaccine significantly lowers death & severe disease against all known variants, I’m not sure where the justification to remove countries will come from
What dangerous precedent is been set?
It will be reviewed and I suspect a lot more frequently with the latest additions. Albania, Israel and Saint Lucia have been removed.
Eirules wrote:[No defined end/review date has been put in place & no one is privy to the metrics used to decide if a country is added / removed. That to me is not a good place to be
Fliplot wrote:An end date would be great but then that would mean the Government knows when covid will end - which they do not!
Phen wrote:Fliplot wrote:An end date would be great but then that would mean the Government knows when covid will end - which they do not!
Indeed if one thing has become clear over the last year, its that covid is never going to go away and we will have to learn to live with it and the inevitable variants which will spring up around the world from time to time or else live like we are right now forever.
This idea of shutting the country down with the excuse being "to keep variants out" is just nonsense. This attitude by extension means we will never be happy to open up again because variants are never going to go away. The western world may be largely vaccinated by the end of this year but places like Brazil will be petri dishes for new variants for years to come. Vaccines however are shown to be effective against variants including the most feared South African variant so the Government needs to plan ahead for the phasing out of MHQ and give airlines and business some idea of when they can expect to be allowed to trade again. This forward vision is sorely lacking at the moment.
And if we were to believe some of the more prominent proponents of zero-covid such as this neuroscientist https://twitter.com/TJRyan_77/status/13 ... 58535?s=20 , (not even a discipline related to public health/virology/immunology), we can say goodbye to overseas travel permanently.
The problem as I see it is that people like him are being given an open platform on the national media, scaremongering the public are thus the public are clinging to what they say is the only solution to the covid problem (i.e. staying shut forever). The Government is being unduly influenced by such opinions and hey presto we are the only country in the EU with MHQ. NPHET has actually openly said this week that they would be in favour of a carefully implemented vaccine/negative PCR test passport for travel in due course. But opinions like the above are getting too much traction and having too much influence resulting in knee-jerk reactions from Government.
Fliplot wrote:Sorry atcsundevil but I am not sure how you seperate aviation and covid! Presently, on this thread, there are those who see covid as the "final solution" for aviation. This has lead to some wild, yet interesting, posts! I do not agree and believe aviation will survive.
An example would be the recent UK Government's latest plan for aviation (thats politics) and the less than happy aviation reply, example Jet2 cancelling all flights until June 23rd (thats aviation).
The situation for aviation is unprecedented! How do you apply your rules?
AmricanShamrok wrote:Hundreds book tickets to fly in to Ireland before mandatory quarantine rules kick in
"It is also understood that Aer Lingus has switched to a larger aircraft for the flight leaving Boston bound for Dublin on Tuesday. The airline had been using a 184-seater Airbus A321 for the route in recent months, but the flight was switched to a 327-seater Airbus A330."
https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/h ... 99157.html
ClassicLover wrote:I'm curious as to why people are suddenly deciding to come back... I mean, I'm curious as to why so many people are over there
qf789 wrote:.......
As atcsundevil has noted if the covid discussion is aviation related it can be discussed here, however if its not aviation related it needs to be discussed in non aviation, this includes politics. There have been some posts in this thread that are not aviation based thats why have had to intervene. If you wish to discuss it further please email as at moderators@airliners.net , that discussion does not belong in this thread
shadyshamrock wrote:Another bullshit article demonizing aviation. Obviously the virus originally got into the nation via aviation but at this point with passenger numbers at 4-5% of normal there are far larger problems to be addressed than a few 1000 PCR tested people landing in.Relevant article here. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/202 ... d-ireland/
Some highlights from it:
There have been Covid-19 outbreaks linked to at least three flights into Ireland in the past fortnight, according to a spokesperson from the Department of Health.
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EIEIDW wrote:S7 Airlines appear to be returning to the Dublin - Moscow route with a 1x weekly B737-800 service for sale starting June 7th 2021.