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Sun Apr 04, 2021 6:45 pm

Revealed: More people flew into Dublin Airport in week after hotel quarantine was introduced than previous seven days

More people flew into Dublin Airport after mandatory hotel quarantine was introduced, with nearly 14,000 travelling to Ireland over a seven-day period.

New figures show that around 2,400 more passengers arrived in the last week than the seven days previous.

The mandatory hotel quarantine system came into effect on March 26 and between then and April 1, 13,951 passengers flew into the country.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/new ... 70062.html
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 04, 2021 11:37 pm

So the latest in the MHQ; taxpayers are footing the bill;

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland ... -1.4528548

So claim you’re broke and the state (taxpayers) pay

Add the country with the highest vaccination rates in the world

Don’t add two powerful EU neighbours both gone back into lockdown in case we upset them

Add a tiny island nation in the South Pacific that in 2019 had 7 Irish visitors

Oh and yet it hasn’t stopped variants which was its sole purpose

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4527575


I really hope that all those screaming for MHQ and we turn ourselves into Craggy Island have a good hard look at the nonsense they’ve demanded and now received
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Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:13 am

Mid-West needs to be ‘shouting loudly’ for Shannon Airport rail link

Loud support for the addition of a rail spur to Shannon Airport needs to stem from the entire Mid-West region.

Limerick TD, Brian Leddin (GP) expressed the sentiments at a webinar hosted virtually by Shannon Chamber on Tuesday morning. Provision of a rail link to Shannon Airport is included as a key objective in the Limerick Shannon Metropolitan Area Transport Strategy (LSMATS).

Leddin outlined that the LSMATS second draft would be published in the coming weeks. He stressed the need to “lock in” Shannon Airport and the Free Zone as strategic assets. “We need to be shouting very loudly for a rail link for Shannon, we need to get Shannon Chamber strongly behind that”.

www.clareecho.ie/mid-west-needs-to-be-s ... rail-link/
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:25 am

Better late than never for the man with no plan

Belfast City Airport chief executive Brian Ambrose retires in June after 45 years in aviation. He talks to business editor Gary McDonald about the highs - and lows - of a remarkable career

www.irishnews.com/business/2021/04/06/n ... n-2277964/



Covid travel bans slash Ryanair passenger numbers by 81% to 27.5 million

Covid-19 travel bans slashed Ryanair passenger numbers by 81 per cent to 27.5 million in the 12 months ended March 31st, its last financial year.

The Irish airline said on Tuesday that it carried 500,000 passengers in March, 91 per cent fewer than the 5.5 million people that flew with it in the same month last year.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 6?mode=amp
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:06 pm

Eirules wrote:
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I really hope that all those screaming for MHQ and we turn ourselves into Craggy Island have a good hard look at the nonsense they’ve demanded and now received

I don’t think I ever screamed for it but I have been openly in favour of some form of MHQ since last summer. But I was never in favour of “shutting the borders”
My issue was with the ineffective “self isolation guidance” given by our Govt with no actual track & trace system.
I would have liked to see a short (5-6 days) MHQ with testing upon arrival and again on day 5 to permit release. Similar to Iceland, or even Hong Kong with a 10 day perio.
Couple this with a system that actually checks location each day on new arrivals. A automated text message requesting a GPS screenshot would suffice.
I didn’t want to see aviation demonised or stifled.

Instead we had a ludicrous “green list” with “essential travel only” and “advice” from the Govt. don’t forget those paper forms and shared pens in the passport hall for all arrivals. (Which are actually still in place as of March 25th when I landed in)
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:32 pm

Ryanair launches twice-weekly seasonal Shannon-Corfu route from July

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/ ... 81398.html

Is this SNN's first scheduled Greek route? There certainly hasn't been any in the last 20 years (charters excluded).
 
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Tue Apr 06, 2021 7:42 pm

Planned for 07 Apr 2021 at DUB - KLM Cargo B744ERF:

- BOG - MIA - 15.30LT DUB 17.30LT - AMS MP6122 B744ERF PH-CKC
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:39 pm

Shannon-siders must be ecstatic. They can fly to Corfu but not London, Manchester, Birmingham or even Edinburgh or Glasgow! Wait now! It is FR so it might never get off the ground.

How random is that destination?
 
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 8:36 am

Newly restored "Éire" sign to be visible to passengers flying into Dublin Airport

Once restoration is completed an Éire neutrality sign in Howth will be visible to passengers flying in to Dublin Airport.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-n ... 0?mode=amp



Antibody testing service launched at Dublin Airport

Irish healthcare company RocDoc has today launched an Antibody testing service at its facility in Dublin Airport.

www.irishexaminer.com/test-rss-pau/arid ... l?type=amp



Tourism body calls for ease on travel between Northern Ireland and Great Britain

Graham Keddie, Managing Director at Belfast International Airport wants NI to follow England and says dates are needed

www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news ... 328723.amp
 
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 9:32 am

I cannot recall any previous scheduled services to Greece from SNN and indeed charters to Greece from SNN also do not come to mind. So the FR service will be novel.

There might have been brief runs of charters to Rhodes, - which was briefly promoted by tour operators from Dublin certainly, but on the whole Greece never seems to have proved to be popular as a promoted destination with operators from Ireland. This despite the strong services to the Greek islands from the U.K. and even from Belfast.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:03 pm

Fliplot wrote:
Shannon-siders must be ecstatic. They can fly to Corfu but not London, Manchester, Birmingham or even Edinburgh or Glasgow! Wait now! It is FR so it might never get off the ground.

How random is that destination?

I am ecstatic and strongly considering a €39.99 return trip in September (they're nearly paying me to go!). SNN-London and Manchester are also on sale. Whether any or all of these routes actually go ahead are of course, TBC.
 
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:23 pm

It would seem that the Greek islands will be popular this year - if the restrictions allow. Many years ago Falcon used to offer Zakynthos from Cork, but I cant think of any other routes. I guess its a fairly long sector from Ireland, so that might put the likes of FR and EI off it, although BOB might be decent, utilisation is low and other ancillaries would be limited.
 
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:31 pm

More EU countries to be added to quarantine list - Ryan

Minister for Transport Eamon Ryan has said that more EU countries will be added to Ireland's mandatory hotel quarantine list.

Speaking at Government Buildings today, he said he had "very good conversations" yesterday with the Taoiseach, Tánaiste and Minister for Health.

www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0407/1 ... uarantine/
 
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Wed Apr 07, 2021 5:48 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
It would seem that the Greek islands will be popular this year - if the restrictions allow. Many years ago Falcon used to offer Zakynthos from Cork, but I cant think of any other routes. I guess its a fairly long sector from Ireland, so that might put the likes of FR and EI off it, although BOB might be decent, utilisation is low and other ancillaries would be limited.


Cork had Heraklion after Zakynthos. I think Corfu was also available mid 2000's. Turkey was sizeable from Cork and Burgas lasted a few years. Recession and charter carriers going bust put an end to it. The Greek routes didn't last more than one or two seasons.

I think Corfu will be a short lived service ex Shannon. The growling list of Greek routes from FR out of Dublin will likely survive.
 
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:18 am

Looking at the schedules it looks like Aer Lingus Regional have further extended their cancellation of routes until June on various routes from DUB ORK SNN and BHD. Expect the European cancellations will follow .

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Restart plan needed if air travel to recover from Covid hit, says aviation regulator

Recently-appointed Aviation Regulator Diarmuid Ó Conghaile warns that air travel can not simply be switched off and on

Air travel needs a restart plan to aid its recovery from the “extreme distress” caused by Covid-19 restrictions, according to recently-appointed Aviation Regulator, Diarmuid Ó Conghaile.

In one of his first public addresses since his appointment, Mr Ó Conghaile, Aviation Regulator and chief executive designate of the Irish Aviation Authority, warned students that the Republic could not take its strong air travel industry for granted.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... -1.4531480

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Is Ryanair right to be optimistic about passenger numbers?

Aviation industry needs help from vaccine programmes and traffic light system

Covid-19 travel bans may have grounded many of Ryanair’s planes over the past year, but they don’t appear to have dented its ambitions.

On Wednesday the Irish airline, Europe’s largest, said that it expected losses in this financial year, which ends on March 31st, 2022, to be €800 million-€850 million, rather than the €850 million-€950 million it had previously guided.

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... -1.4531488
 
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Thu Apr 08, 2021 9:48 am

OA260 wrote:
Looking at the schedules it looks like Aer Lingus Regional have further extended their cancellation of routes until June on various routes from DUB ORK SNN and BHD. Expect the European cancellations will follow .

Is Ryanair right to be optimistic about passenger numbers?

Aviation industry needs help from vaccine programmes and traffic light system

Covid-19 travel bans may have grounded many of Ryanair’s planes over the past year, but they don’t appear to have dented its ambitions.

On Wednesday the Irish airline, Europe’s largest, said that it expected losses in this financial year, which ends on March 31st, 2022, to be €800 million-€850 million, rather than the €850 million-€950 million it had previously guided.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/tran ... -1.4531488


I would say this summer is looking very optimistic. At the risk of sounding like an eternal pessimist by the time the vaccination programme has completed/near completion the summer travel peak will be coming to an end. On the other hand from countries like Israel and the UAE we will have a good idea of how effective the vaccine is on hospitalisations and death. The USA is also powering ahead with their vaccination programme, powered many by Pfizer, Moderna and Johnson&Johnson, so much so that AZ doses have been sent to Canada and Mexico. This is looking good for EI's North American markets - the MAN base could well be a real winner and very likely to operate this winter, I would say.
I think it is time to be optimistic - but the timeline is much longer than ay of us would like.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:07 am

ASL to borrow up to €105m from Goldman Sachs to help pay for 20 Boeing jets

Deal will allow company manage its debt as aviation sector works its way through Covid crisis

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 0?mode=amp



Jet2 announces new summer destination from Belfast International Airport

Jet2 has added a new destination from Belfast International Airport for Summer 2022.

From next May to September, holidaymakers will be able to travel to the Italian city of Verona.

www.belfastlive.co.uk/news/belfast-news ... 335227.amp
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 9:22 am

I flew from Dublin to Heathrow yesterday as I’m due to restart work with BA this weekend! I didn’t encounter a single guard during my journey and at no point did anyone question why I was leaving the country! Should I have?

The Aer Lingus 321 NEO is nice but not sure how comfortable it would be for a longer journey especially when the person in front reclines which they did. There was no catering on the flight either, is this normal for the Heathrow flights? I thought there was a reduced Bia menu.

Regardless the crew were lovely as usual, and hopefully it won’t be too long until I’m back at DUB.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:00 am

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I flew from Dublin to Heathrow yesterday as I’m due to restart work with BA this weekend! I didn’t encounter a single guard during my journey and at no point did anyone question why I was leaving the country! Should I have?
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I'm back myself since last Saturday and haven't seen any garda activity; granted, I don't go through the vehicle checkpoints at T1 and T2, but there is no one at the pax security screening areas. I think it's all just for show, to create an impression.

From the 17th May, British people will no longer have to complete a form to give a reason for leaving the country, so that is likely to be the day that things get very interesting. I think there will be massive pressure on the govt to come up with a plan; I don't think they will. I think there will be some negative comments about people trekking up to BFS/BHD (or even Derry) and flying out of there. Much like the garda checkpoints at airport security, there will be a "show" and maybe one or two people will be turned back, but you will see a trickle turn into a flow. As our vax program gets into high gear and more and more people get their jabs, it will become more and more difficult for the govt to defend its position and they will have to move.

Looking at how Irish aviation policy has worked in the past (remember how the SNN stopover was only changed when it became impossible to sustain it, because of Open Skies, and T2 was only built because T1 was full and the DAA shoehorned into a corner they found ... Things only happen in Irish aviation because a metaphorical gun is put to their heads; they'll simply say "ah lads, look, half the country is flying via Belfast, we really have to move on this".

Pathetic, but that's the way it will work.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:47 am

kaitak wrote:
From the 17th May, British people will no longer have to complete a form to give a reason for leaving the country, so that is likely to be the day that things get very interesting. I think there will be massive pressure on the govt to come up with a plan; I don't think they will. I think there will be some negative comments about people trekking up to BFS/BHD (or even Derry) and flying out of there. Much like the garda checkpoints at airport security, there will be a "show" and maybe one or two people will be turned back, but you will see a trickle turn into a flow. As our vax program gets into high gear and more and more people get their jabs, it will become more and more difficult for the govt to defend its position and they will have to move.


Is there any evidence of this? While I am normally a fan of your posts, I dont agree that the Republic should be doing one thing just because thats what they are doing in NI. Teh health and social care systems are vastly different, the vaccination roll-out is different. An all-island approach should be encouraged, that has been sadly lacking to date and the results of it can clearly be seen in the border counties. Take Israel, for example, it looks likely to be on the UK Green list but is on the Irish MHQ list.
It's worth noting that Jet2 have today announced the cancellation of all holidays until the 23rd of June in the absence of government guidelines on the traffic light system. easyJet are complaining that the PCR testing rumoured will be 'too expensive'. So while it seems that the UK will open up to outbound holiday travel, there really isn't much to hang your hat on yet. We also need to consider which destinations will accept holidaymakers? That's still very unclear!
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:30 pm

kaitak wrote:
shamrock321 wrote:
I flew from Dublin to Heathrow yesterday as I’m due to restart work with BA this weekend! I didn’t encounter a single guard during my journey and at no point did anyone question why I was leaving the country! Should I have?
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I'm back myself since last Saturday and haven't seen any garda activity; granted, I don't go through the vehicle checkpoints at T1 and T2, but there is no one at the pax security screening areas. I think it's all just for show, to create an impression.

From the 17th May, British people will no longer have to complete a form to give a reason for leaving the country, so that is likely to be the day that things get very interesting. I think there will be massive pressure on the govt to come up with a plan; I don't think they will. I think there will be some negative comments about people trekking up to BFS/BHD (or even Derry) and flying out of there. Much like the garda checkpoints at airport security, there will be a "show" and maybe one or two people will be turned back, but you will see a trickle turn into a flow. As our vax program gets into high gear and more and more people get their jabs, it will become more and more difficult for the govt to defend its position and they will have to move.

Looking at how Irish aviation policy has worked in the past (remember how the SNN stopover was only changed when it became impossible to sustain it, because of Open Skies, and T2 was only built because T1 was full and the DAA shoehorned into a corner they found ... Things only happen in Irish aviation because a metaphorical gun is put to their heads; they'll simply say "ah lads, look, half the country is flying via Belfast, we really have to move on this".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56682226

The situation in the UK is not as clear cut as you suggest.

The 17th is the earliest date and will start with a traffic light system.

We will be told which countries are in each band in 'early May'.

A lot of countries will be in Red, which means testing, (including at least 1 PCR) and hotel quarantine, (probably about £1,700).

Pathetic, but that's the way it will work.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:31 pm

The situation in the UK is not as clear cut as you suggest.

The 17th is the earliest date and will start with a traffic light system.

We will be told which countries are in each band in 'early May'.

A lot of countries will be in Red, which means testing, (including at least 1 PCR) and hotel quarantine, (probably about £1,700).
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:04 pm

Looking at the schedules from 30/4 - 9/5 Aer Lingus DUB - BOS is being reduced to 3 per week.
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:23 pm

shamrock321 wrote:
I flew from Dublin to Heathrow yesterday as I’m due to restart work with BA this weekend! I didn’t encounter a single guard during my journey and at no point did anyone question why I was leaving the country! Should I have?

The Aer Lingus 321 NEO is nice but not sure how comfortable it would be for a longer journey especially when the person in front reclines which they did. There was no catering on the flight either, is this normal for the Heathrow flights? I thought there was a reduced Bia menu.

Regardless the crew were lovely as usual, and hopefully it won’t be too long until I’m back at DUB.


Welcome back. The EI154 I think is a little too early for the guards to be getting out of bed. They have been there the rare occasion I have flown out in the afternoon or early evening. And they often appear on the road just before drop off for both T1 & T2 mid morning for a few hours. Otherwise its hit and miss.
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:53 pm

6,000 people flew in last week from countries health experts want on hotel quarantine list

Government row has delayed the addition of the US and 16 EU members to mandatory hotel quarantine list

MORE than 6,000 people arrived into Ireland last week from countries that public health experts advised the Government to put on the mandatory hotel quarantine list, Independent.ie can reveal.
Official figures on the number of passengers arriving into the State’s three airports between March 29 and April 4 show there were 6,243 arrivals from the USA and the 16 EU member states, including France, Germany and Italy.

www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavir ... 94385.html
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 6:52 pm

US, Canada, France, Italy and Belgium to be added to Ireland’s Covid hotel quarantine list

Belgium, France and Italy along with the US and Canada are to be added to the State’s mandatory hotel quarantine list.
The Cabinet is meeting this evening to sign off on adding 16 more countries to the list.

The new additions will be added in two groups due to fears over capacity in the hotel quarantine system.

www.independent.ie/irish-news/us-canada ... 95495.html
 
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 10:11 pm

I think we’re in really dangerous territory here. With no end date / review date, ending the free movement of people within the EU & forced detention of even those fully vaccinated, this is setting a very dangerous precedent.

If domestic case numbers were close to zero I could understand (whether I agree or not is another thing) but given we’re seeing 3000 cases/wk domestically and evidence that every vaccine significantly lowers death & severe disease against all known variants, I’m not sure where the justification to remove countries will come from
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Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:06 pm

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I think we’re in really dangerous territory here. With no end date / review date, ending the free movement of people within the EU & forced detention of even those fully vaccinated, this is setting a very dangerous precedent.

If domestic case numbers were close to zero I could understand (whether I agree or not is another thing) but given we’re seeing 3000 cases/wk domestically and evidence that every vaccine significantly lowers death & severe disease against all known variants, I’m not sure where the justification to remove countries will come from


What dangerous precedent is been set?

It will be reviewed and I suspect a lot more frequently with the latest additions. Albania, Israel and Saint Lucia have been removed.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 7:03 am

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Eirules wrote:
I think we’re in really dangerous territory here. With no end date / review date, ending the free movement of people within the EU & forced detention of even those fully vaccinated, this is setting a very dangerous precedent.

If domestic case numbers were close to zero I could understand (whether I agree or not is another thing) but given we’re seeing 3000 cases/wk domestically and evidence that every vaccine significantly lowers death & severe disease against all known variants, I’m not sure where the justification to remove countries will come from


What dangerous precedent is been set?

It will be reviewed and I suspect a lot more frequently with the latest additions. Albania, Israel and Saint Lucia have been removed.


The precedent is that the govt, in an incorporeal meeting, without debate or scrutiny from the Dail has decided to end a cornerstone of EU membership, the free movement of people. No defined end/review date has been put in place & no one is privy to the metrics used to decide if a country is added / removed. That to me is not a good place to be
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:02 am

No doubt the Government will get slammed by the EU if we have removed ine of the corner stones! An end date would be great but then that would mean the Government knows when covid will end - which they do not!
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:14 am

Aviation sector needs recovery plan

Sir, – It is heartening to read comments from Diarmuid Ó Conghaile, the recently appointed aviation regulator, calling for a plan “for the recovery of aviation” (“Restart plan needed if air travel to recover from Covid hit, says aviation regulator”, News, April 7th).
The Irish Air Line Pilots’ Association (IALPA) has engaged with many stakeholders in the aviation, tourism and hospitality industry over the course of the past year. What has been clear from our own members, and those whom we have engaged with, is that the lack of a clear plan for support and recovery risks doing irreparable damage that has consequences far beyond the 140,000 people who rely on aviation for their livelihood in this country. Irish tour operators report to us that they are losing their second consecutive summer of business.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/letters/avia ... -1.4533270

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DUBLIN--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Avolon, the international aircraft leasing company, issues an update for the first quarter of 2021 (‘Q1’).

Q1 FLEET METRICS & BUSINESS HIGHLIGHTS

- Executed a total of 31 lease transactions in the quarter comprising new aircraft leases, follow-on leases and lease extensions;

- Entered into Letters of Intent for the placement of 27 owned aircraft;

- Sold 2 aircraft during the quarter;

- Delivered a total of 8 new aircraft to 6 customers and transitioned 3 aircraft to follow-on lessees;

- Ended first quarter with total of 146 airline customers operating in 61 countries;

- Agreed an option to defer 34 single aisle and 3 twin aisle orderbook commitments from the 2022/23 period to 2025 and beyond, and;

- Owned and managed fleet of 578 aircraft at quarter end, with total orders and commitments for 264 fuel-efficient, new technology aircraft.

www.businesswire.com/news/home/20210407 ... -Liquidity
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sat Apr 10, 2021 10:57 am

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[No defined end/review date has been put in place & no one is privy to the metrics used to decide if a country is added / removed. That to me is not a good place to be

I agree that the metrics used to add/remove countries from the list and some element of timescales should be published. What prompted Israel to be on the list, for example and what has changed to take it off? How are the risks assessed, how current are the data? How many people actually travel to/from these countries?

In an RTÉ report the rate of positive tests seems to be 0.02%, compared to 2.7% in the community. It’s worth remembering that MHQ would be asymptomatic, which the community tests would be symptomatic population. REACT reports 0.02% asymptomatic rates in their U.K. based study too. The HSE have provided No information on the variants detected, I would like to think they are sequencing all the tests from MHQ. I think this illustrates that the pre-departure PCR tests work in terms of keeping rates low, even from these “high risk” countries.
 
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:37 pm

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An end date would be great but then that would mean the Government knows when covid will end - which they do not!

Indeed if one thing has become clear over the last year, its that covid is never going to go away and we will have to learn to live with it and the inevitable variants which will spring up around the world from time to time or else live like we are right now forever.

This idea of shutting the country down with the excuse being "to keep variants out" is just nonsense. This attitude by extension means we will never be happy to open up again because variants are never going to go away. The western world may be largely vaccinated by the end of this year but places like Brazil will be petri dishes for new variants for years to come. Vaccines however are shown to be effective against variants including the most feared South African variant so the Government needs to plan ahead for the phasing out of MHQ and give airlines and business some idea of when they can expect to be allowed to trade again. This forward vision is sorely lacking at the moment.

And if we were to believe some of the more prominent proponents of zero-covid such as this neuroscientist https://twitter.com/TJRyan_77/status/13 ... 58535?s=20 , (not even a discipline related to public health/virology/immunology), we can say goodbye to overseas travel permanently.

The problem as I see it is that people like him are being given an open platform on the national media, scaremongering the public are thus the public are clinging to what they say is the only solution to the covid problem (i.e. staying shut forever). The Government is being unduly influenced by such opinions and hey presto we are the only country in the EU with MHQ. NPHET has actually openly said this week that they would be in favour of a carefully implemented vaccine/negative PCR test passport for travel in due course. But opinions like the above are getting too much traction and having too much influence resulting in knee-jerk reactions from Government.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sat Apr 10, 2021 2:49 pm

Phen wrote:
Fliplot wrote:
An end date would be great but then that would mean the Government knows when covid will end - which they do not!

Indeed if one thing has become clear over the last year, its that covid is never going to go away and we will have to learn to live with it and the inevitable variants which will spring up around the world from time to time or else live like we are right now forever.

This idea of shutting the country down with the excuse being "to keep variants out" is just nonsense. This attitude by extension means we will never be happy to open up again because variants are never going to go away. The western world may be largely vaccinated by the end of this year but places like Brazil will be petri dishes for new variants for years to come. Vaccines however are shown to be effective against variants including the most feared South African variant so the Government needs to plan ahead for the phasing out of MHQ and give airlines and business some idea of when they can expect to be allowed to trade again. This forward vision is sorely lacking at the moment.

And if we were to believe some of the more prominent proponents of zero-covid such as this neuroscientist https://twitter.com/TJRyan_77/status/13 ... 58535?s=20 , (not even a discipline related to public health/virology/immunology), we can say goodbye to overseas travel permanently.

The problem as I see it is that people like him are being given an open platform on the national media, scaremongering the public are thus the public are clinging to what they say is the only solution to the covid problem (i.e. staying shut forever). The Government is being unduly influenced by such opinions and hey presto we are the only country in the EU with MHQ. NPHET has actually openly said this week that they would be in favour of a carefully implemented vaccine/negative PCR test passport for travel in due course. But opinions like the above are getting too much traction and having too much influence resulting in knee-jerk reactions from Government.


Completely agree. My biggest concern is when (if) this all ends. These new countries have been added in case new variants are brought into the country but by that logic there’s variant 1 2 and 3 that we don’t even know of yet so when will any country be safe to fly into or out of. And let’s not forget, this is a virus with a mortality rate of <0.1%....
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Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:34 pm

You are quite correct Eirules that objectivity has been lacking but not just by the Minister and the Government. However the lack of objectivity is far out classed by the pontificating on this thread. That with the use of highly subjective statistics makes this thread less reliable than the Sun newspaper!
I am happy the Government is not ploughing billions into the current aviation black hole as I am equally certain the Government will fully support aviation when a realistic end to covid is in sight. While you all keep demanding "de olan" from the Government, not one of you have ventured any ideas or quick fixes for a plan!
Many times aviation has been under serious threat but it has always managed to survive and grow. Why not again?
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:11 am

Please keep in mind that this is an *aviation* thread. Covid discussion related to aviation is fine here, but covid discussion as a public health topic should take place in Non Av. Off topic comments will be removed as such.

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Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:21 am

Sorry atcsundevil but I am not sure how you seperate aviation and covid! Presently, on this thread, there are those who see covid as the "final solution" for aviation. This has lead to some wild, yet interesting, posts! I do not agree and believe aviation will survive.
An example would be the recent UK Government's latest plan for aviation (thats politics) and the less than happy aviation reply, example Jet2 cancelling all flights until June 23rd (thats aviation).
The situation for aviation is unprecedented! How do you apply your rules?
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 11, 2021 2:28 am

Fliplot wrote:
Sorry atcsundevil but I am not sure how you seperate aviation and covid! Presently, on this thread, there are those who see covid as the "final solution" for aviation. This has lead to some wild, yet interesting, posts! I do not agree and believe aviation will survive.
An example would be the recent UK Government's latest plan for aviation (thats politics) and the less than happy aviation reply, example Jet2 cancelling all flights until June 23rd (thats aviation).
The situation for aviation is unprecedented! How do you apply your rules?


As atcsundevil has noted if the covid discussion is aviation related it can be discussed here, however if its not aviation related it needs to be discussed in non aviation, this includes politics. There have been some posts in this thread that are not aviation based thats why have had to intervene. If you wish to discuss it further please email as at [email protected] , that discussion does not belong in this thread
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:20 am

Shannon Airport cannot afford for Dept of Transport to make another wrong appointment

Three options are being assessed by the Department of Transport when it comes to filling the vacancy of the Shannon Group Chair.

Of the options on the table, the first is to appoint the second placed candidate who lost out when Aaron Forde was announced as the new Chairperson of Shannon Group in February. The second option is to restart the entire process and the final possibility is to engage with stakeholders in the region before proceeding.

www.clareecho.ie/shannon-airport-cannot ... pointment/



'Enough is enough now - I need my passport back': Months of frustration as Passport Office backlog stands at 83,000

Applicants who submitted documents as far back as November and December are still waiting to get them back.

www.thejournal.ie/passport-applications ... 2-Apr2021/
 
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Sun Apr 11, 2021 9:56 am

Airport ‘resentment’ as work practice deal hits new turbulence

Siptu writes to DAA over lack of access to staff options, voluntary severance, career breaks and reduced hours working

A crucial new work practice agreement with landside and terminals staff at Dublin Airport is “unimplementable”, Siptu has told DAA.

www.independent.ie/business/irish/airpo ... 92277.html
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:44 am

Hundreds book tickets to fly in to Ireland before mandatory quarantine rules kick in

"It is also understood that Aer Lingus has switched to a larger aircraft for the flight leaving Boston bound for Dublin on Tuesday. The airline had been using a 184-seater Airbus A321 for the route in recent months, but the flight was switched to a 327-seater Airbus A330."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/h ... 99157.html
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 11, 2021 12:32 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
Hundreds book tickets to fly in to Ireland before mandatory quarantine rules kick in

"It is also understood that Aer Lingus has switched to a larger aircraft for the flight leaving Boston bound for Dublin on Tuesday. The airline had been using a 184-seater Airbus A321 for the route in recent months, but the flight was switched to a 327-seater Airbus A330."

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/h ... 99157.html


I'm curious as to why people are suddenly deciding to come back... I mean, I'm curious as to why so many people are over there, as it's not like there have been thousands of people heading to the US in the last 12 months. Perhaps people at the end of Visas and so on are just jumping in now.

I kinda get it though, I wouldn't want to have to pay to quarantine in a hotel. The only reason I still went to see my family in Australia at Christmas was because I was exempt from quarantine fees as I made the flight booking prior to the pandemic. If I'd had to pay, I wouldn't have gone, so there is logic to everyone booking to come back now.
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 11, 2021 1:18 pm

Aer Lingus operated a cargo only flight to Miami yesterday.

Hoping to see EI resume service to MIA again.
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:17 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
I'm curious as to why people are suddenly deciding to come back... I mean, I'm curious as to why so many people are over there

I don't have figures to hand but as you implied I think we'd be surprised to see how many people are indeed in the US on a temporary basis and are worried for how long mandatory hotel quarantine will be in place here. I imagine the vast majority are there for work-related reasons. So its likely some have decided better to cut their stay short than end up confined to a hotel here.

EI TA services are already operating on a skeleton schedule so I doubt it will reduce much further because of the demand for cargo, even with the introduction of these new rules. I can see JFK reverting to the A321neo for the foreseeable and I think this has already been happening.

It will be interesting to see how long the USA will remain on the list. It goes without saying that the tourism industry here will be devastated at this news. It was being discussed on the radio only the other day about the big groups of Americans who usually come to play golf etc. and what large amounts of money they spend here. Granted, summer 2021 was not looking particularly bright before this, but now any hope of salvaging the summer season is surely gone. I think this will pan out in one of two ways; either this quarantine is all for show just to appease a public weary of domestic restrictions and will be short-lived or it will become a more long-term feature and remain in place indefinitely if the powers that be refuse to acknowledge that we must accept some level of risk even with the full roll-out of vaccines.

I would expect that EI are glad they are trying out the MAN base and I would not be surprised if they are seriously looking at LGW or others too. With Norwegian's significant pre-covid long haul operation ceased and BA reportedly not so interested in Gatwick anymore, I think there could be just as much a gap in the market there as there is in MAN. Summer 2022 will be interesting for EI in the UK.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:06 pm

Relevant article here. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/202 ... d-ireland/

Some highlights from it:
There have been Covid-19 outbreaks linked to at least three flights into Ireland in the past fortnight, according to a spokesperson from the Department of Health.

The department has defended the rules requiring people arriving from designated countries, who are fully vaccinated, to quarantine in a hotel.

A spokesperson said there is some evidence that individuals who have already been vaccinated have subsequently been diagnosed with a variant of concern.

The department also argued that there is no international system that recognises vaccination certificates and no agreed method that could allow people to prove they are vaccinated.

One flight resulted in onward transmission with 59 cases across six HSE regions.

Earlier, public health expert Professor Anthony Staines said he did not think that life will return to "relative normality" until the autumn, when "most people will have had two doses of vaccines. It is going to take that long".
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:14 pm

S7 Airlines appear to be returning to the Dublin - Moscow route with a 1x weekly B737-800 service for sale starting June 7th 2021.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Mon Apr 12, 2021 2:08 am

qf789 wrote:
.......
As atcsundevil has noted if the covid discussion is aviation related it can be discussed here, however if its not aviation related it needs to be discussed in non aviation, this includes politics. There have been some posts in this thread that are not aviation based thats why have had to intervene. If you wish to discuss it further please email as at [email protected] , that discussion does not belong in this thread

Political decisions in Ireland over the last 2 weeks have adversely affected Irish aviation, these decisions are ALL Covid-19 related.
If you can untangle this connection then you are a better person than me.



shadyshamrock wrote:
Relevant article here. https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/202 ... d-ireland/

Some highlights from it:
There have been Covid-19 outbreaks linked to at least three flights into Ireland in the past fortnight, according to a spokesperson from the Department of Health.
..........
Another bullshit article demonizing aviation. Obviously the virus originally got into the nation via aviation but at this point with passenger numbers at 4-5% of normal there are far larger problems to be addressed than a few 1000 PCR tested people landing in.

I personally know of 2 clusters that were in secondary schools, (and one in a primary) unfortunately the minster for Health tells us that they are actually just "community spread". Funny how 16 kids in the same class happened to all contract a disease outside the schoo within a week of each otherl........
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:52 am

EIEIDW wrote:
S7 Airlines appear to be returning to the Dublin - Moscow route with a 1x weekly B737-800 service for sale starting June 7th 2021.


God love their optimism; has there been a worse time in the history of civil aviation to open a new route - and to a country with MHQ. I don't know if Russia is on the list, but if not, it's probably only a matter of time.
 
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Re: Irish 4/21: Turbulence!

Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:34 am

[qoute=rte.ie]
Minister for Health Stephen Donnelly has announced that Israel, as well as Albania and St Lucia, will no longer be designated states under the system of mandatory hotel quarantine.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0412/12092 ... uarantine/[/quote]

It is interesting that vaccinated and COVID negative arrivals from Israel have now been released from MHQ rolling the legal appeals - the court cases were not held, essentially they settled out of court. We will never know the details of the settlement, but does raise the prospect that MHQ for vaccinated and COVID negative people is disproportionate and legally dubious. Its a shame as the criteria used for adding or removing countries from the list should be open to public scrutiny. I would love to know what the "substantially improved" metrics were which allowed Israel to be removed from the list.

At teh risk of sounding off topic, this kind of ad-hoc adding, taking off and fudging the MHQ/Quarantine/testing lists will severely suppress travel demand, alter booking patterns and make it very difficult for airlines to publish a reliable schedule. Without a reliable schedule airlines will be blamed for last-minute schedule changes, bookings could remain low and so the spiral downwards continues. Ultimately resulting in poor yields, low loads and poor profitability. Conversely there will never be a bette time to introduce new routes, I'm hopeful Ireland might see the first Caribbean routes, for example.
 
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Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:40 am

Chopper contract shows Cork airport’s importance

THE importance of Cork Airport has been illustrated by the fact that offshore helicopter operator NHV Group has secured a contract in Ireland with PSE Kinsale Energy Ltd in support of its decommissioning operations in the Celtic Sea.

That’s according to Niall MacCarthy, Managing Director at Cork Airport who has welcomed the announcement.

www.southernstar.ie/news/chopper-contra ... ce-4220863

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Worried workers at Dublin Airport fear more needs to be done to stop COVID-19 spreading amongst passengers.

The workers told The Star that some passengers are not wearing masks, or are removing masks when they enter the airport after their planes land from abroad, and that there are social distancing problems at passport control and baggage reclaim.

www.buzz.ie/news/issues-have-been-raise ... ers-427662

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