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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 1:15 pm

my Max flight today was swapped to a 739, which sucked b/c UA unassigned my seat when they swapped a/c.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:21 pm

CALMSP wrote:
my Max flight today was swapped to a 739, which sucked b/c UA unassigned my seat when they swapped a/c.

That;s odd. I thought they had the same seating chart?
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 2:24 pm

cosyr wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
my Max flight today was swapped to a 739, which sucked b/c UA unassigned my seat when they swapped a/c.

That;s odd. I thought they had the same seating chart?


they do, which is why I don't understand, so now its a matter of asking someone to switch with either me or MRS. Pain!
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 5:23 pm

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LGeneReese wrote:
Any info as to when the 16 73-9Maxs might be returning to service? They all still show grounded here and there around the country.


Service Bulletin pending. I don't think FAA is going to rush approval.


Exactly this question came up during the Earning Live event yesterday, the answer was pretty simple. United knows what the problem is, it is a pretty simple straight forward fix and the aircraft could be back in service in 24 hours (which was the original plan) however UA and all airlines are waiting for the service bulletin and with the FAA under so much scrutiny they are rushing through this process.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:11 pm

CALMSP wrote:
my Max flight today was swapped to a 739, which sucked b/c UA unassigned my seat when they swapped a/c.

There are a couple different seating charts with all the seats the same numbers, but in Row 12 and 14 E+ and Y seating are not the same.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:31 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
my Max flight today was swapped to a 739, which sucked b/c UA unassigned my seat when they swapped a/c.

There are a couple different seating charts with all the seats the same numbers, but in Row 12 and 14 E+ and Y seating are not the same.


true, but the same in F :banghead:
 
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Wed Apr 21, 2021 8:42 pm

CALMSP wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
CALMSP wrote:
my Max flight today was swapped to a 739, which sucked b/c UA unassigned my seat when they swapped a/c.

There are a couple different seating charts with all the seats the same numbers, but in Row 12 and 14 E+ and Y seating are not the same.


true, but the same in F :banghead:


If you don't mind me asking what was the flight number, I can try and see if I can figure this out for you.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:23 am

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They also revealed United at some point in the future (perhaps as early as 2022) intends to make the 787 in addition to the 767 the long haul workhorse out of ORD.


This was the plan before the pandemic. Someone else said the 777 ORD pilot base is closing. Is it safe to assume Hawaii won’t got back to PW777 once they are back in service?
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:33 am

DBKissORD wrote:
jayunited wrote:
They also revealed United at some point in the future (perhaps as early as 2022) intends to make the 787 in addition to the 767 the long haul workhorse out of ORD.


This was the plan before the pandemic. Someone else said the 777 ORD pilot base is closing. Is it safe to assume Hawaii won’t got back to PW777 once they are back in service?


It can easily route though a domestic turn or off an island turn.

One or two routes is pretty easily to accommodate without local base.

The other suitable aircraft are 764 or 78J. I’d bet on the 764’s.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:07 am

Storage Update:
N77014 (Boeing 777-200ER) is scheduled to ferry from ROW to SFO (UA2726/25). Aircraft will eventually head to HKG for heavy maintenance before re-entering service.
Note | A/C 3014 is the lone 777-200ER in the fleet without Polaris seating.

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N641UA (Boeing 767-300ER) ferried from VCV to IAH (UA2757/20) after receiving EvoBlue paint.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:10 am

Okcflyer wrote:
DBKissORD wrote:
jayunited wrote:
They also revealed United at some point in the future (perhaps as early as 2022) intends to make the 787 in addition to the 767 the long haul workhorse out of ORD.


This was the plan before the pandemic. Someone else said the 777 ORD pilot base is closing. Is it safe to assume Hawaii won’t got back to PW777 once they are back in service?


It can easily route though a domestic turn or off an island turn.

One or two routes is pretty easily to accommodate without local base.

The other suitable aircraft are 764 or 78J. I’d bet on the 764’s.


UA will probably stick with the 77A unless that aircraft isn't available. With the amount of 777s HNL see it could be an easy SFO - HNL - ORD - HNL - SFO turn.
While the 764 is nice you would take a massive hit in capacity as well as cargo potential.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 12:24 pm

LAXintl wrote:
jayunited wrote:
They also revealed United at some point in the future (perhaps as early as 2022) intends to make the 787 in addition to the 767 the long haul workhorse out of ORD.

Rather ancient news.
Pre-pandemic was announced 787 would be based at ORD and 777 base would close. 777 base has remained open only due to current cargo flying, but as the latest pilot bid update states, it will close, just the timing it not certain at moment.


I get this was announced in 2019 but plans change just look at the the announcement in 2020 to close the 787 LAX base, a decision that was reversed a few months later. With so many changes taking place between the 2019 announcement and today United obviously felt it was important reiterate this plan to our pilots that at some point the ORD 777 base will close.

Okcflyer wrote:
It can easily route though a domestic turn or off an island turn.

One or two routes is pretty easily to accommodate without local base.

The other suitable aircraft are 764 or 78J. I’d bet on the 764’s.


Both HNL and OGG were on the 77As pre-pandemic and operated daily. The problem I see happening has nothing to do with routing the aircraft but with the pilots and when the route takes a last minute delay that turns into one of those creeping 4-5 hour delays. Without a 777 crew base at ORD if the original crew times out United is left with no choice but to cancel the flight. To do a full recrew would requiring calling in pilots from home. Without an ORD base I would imagine those pilots would first have to deadhead to ORD from either EWR/SFO/IAD/IAH then work a 9 hour flight to Hawaii. I'm not sure a scenario like that is contractually legal or if the FAA would allow 3 person crew to work a 9 hour flight after deadheading to ORD all without legal rest. United has experienced similar situation in the early days of our DEN-NRT flight where a long last delay would lead to an unnecessary cancelation because we had no 787 pilots base at DEN. So in times where the original crew went illegal deadheading 4 replacement pilots in simply wasn't an option because they still would require rest prior to operating DEN-NRT.

I think when UA closes the 777 ORD base ORD-HNL will probably upguage to a 78X, and ORD-OGG would either remain 763 or be upguaged to either a 764 or 78X. To leave both of these routes on a 777 would only spell trouble for United.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 1:20 pm

jayunited wrote:
Both HNL and OGG were on the 77As pre-pandemic and operated daily. The problem I see happening has nothing to do with routing the aircraft but with the pilots and when the route takes a last minute delay that turns into one of those creeping 4-5 hour delays. Without a 777 crew base at ORD if the original crew times out United is left with no choice but to cancel the flight. To do a full recrew would requiring calling in pilots from home. Without an ORD base I would imagine those pilots would first have to deadhead to ORD from either EWR/SFO/IAD/IAH then work a 9 hour flight to Hawaii. I'm not sure a scenario like that is contractually legal or if the FAA would allow 3 person crew to work a 9 hour flight after deadheading to ORD all without legal rest. United has experienced similar situation in the early days of our DEN-NRT flight where a long last delay would lead to an unnecessary cancelation because we had no 787 pilots base at DEN. So in times where the original crew went illegal deadheading 4 replacement pilots in simply wasn't an option because they still would require rest prior to operating DEN-NRT.

I think when UA closes the 777 ORD base ORD-HNL will probably upguage to a 78X, and ORD-OGG would either remain 763 or be upguaged to either a 764 or 78X. To leave both of these routes on a 777 would only spell trouble for United.


The point is well-taken, but how is this different from operations at any outstation? Setting aside flights between pilot domiciles of the same type, those kinds of staffing issues are a possibility with every long haul leg that originates out of base.

As for DEN, the NRT flight operated for years without a local pilot base until additional 787 flying was added to LHR and FRA. I don't think the DEN787 domicile opened until 2018/2019? So it wasn't just about ensuring reliability for the NRT trip. The IAH-SYD example comes to mind (where IAH787 was reopened a few months after closing), but that was a FRMS route at the farthest corner of the legality envelope that substantially any delay would result in a time-out for a crew staffed from another base. ORD-HNL/OGG, now KOA too, are augmented and while a long-ish flight, there is some wiggle room to absorb a moderate delay with a rested, acclimated crew. Regarding your example, a 4-5h delay is going to cause operational headaches no matter the circumstances.

Still, I agree that Hawaii probably becomes a 787 market from ORD for redundancy and operational flexibility going forward. UA still has a number of 787s on order and the longhaul market is not going to be the same for a few years. There will likely be enough slack in the 787 fleet, not to mention the changing opportunity cost calculus, that ORD-HNL/OGG/KOA on 787s might be a "best use" case for a while.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 2:02 pm

The 772A has weight restriction from ORD to Hawaii at times of the years. The 78X would not have such issues and be able to carry 3 more pallets or 8 more LD3s than the 772A. Of course the 78X is short 46 total seats vs. the 772A, but the configuration has full Polaris and a bit more premium heavy with 16 more Polaris seats and 21 PP seats that the 772A doesn't have.
Additionally, UA may retire some 772As due to age and the PW issue, meaning some routes may have to lose that aircraft. The 772A can't make East Coast Hawaii, so maybe IAD/EWR-Hawaii services could use the 778 in new, denser configuration, which could streamline Hawaii services for crew purposes. Maybe GUM could benefit from more cargo space on the 78X.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 3:14 pm

I see the SBA-ORD nonstop bookable on united.com. Was there any discussion that they were going to try to formally give this a go and not push it out further?

First day I see it in the schedule is June 3. Depart SBA 7:20am and arrive ORD at 1:20. Return departs ORD at 7:45pm and arrives SBA at 10:30pm.

I also see that SBA-LAX is set to resume on May 8th.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:16 pm

Question for those more familiar with CS/fare rules.

I bought a BE ticket for my dad to visit me over the weekend, I understand change fees are waived. If I don’t know the date am able to change the ticket again?

For example moving this trip out 2-3 months. And then deciding from there where to move it to? Or is it just one change only? Or can I cancel the itinerary and rebook later (without receiving a refund). Even though it is BE, it has modified fare rules because I bought it through employee discount. So I am not sure what the process or rules are.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:28 pm

SBAer wrote:
I see the SBA-ORD nonstop bookable on united.com. Was there any discussion that they were going to try to formally give this a go and not push it out further?

First day I see it in the schedule is June 3. Depart SBA 7:20am and arrive ORD at 1:20. Return departs ORD at 7:45pm and arrives SBA at 10:30pm.

I also see that SBA-LAX is set to resume on May 8th.


Excellent to see UA finally start SBA-ORD. Originally it was scheduled to be a red eye to ORD. Happy to see that’s not the case now. I prefer this schedule.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:31 pm

SBAer wrote:
I see the SBA-ORD nonstop bookable on united.com. Was there any discussion that they were going to try to formally give this a go and not push it out further?

First day I see it in the schedule is June 3. Depart SBA 7:20am and arrive ORD at 1:20. Return departs ORD at 7:45pm and arrives SBA at 10:30pm.

I also see that SBA-LAX is set to resume on May 8th.


Although some modifications have been made to the June schedule - it's not completely set. They can easily reaccom through DEN if needed so there's not much harm leaving this one up for sale to see what kind of traction it gets.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:31 pm

SBAer wrote:
I see the SBA-ORD nonstop bookable on united.com. Was there any discussion that they were going to try to formally give this a go and not push it out further?

First day I see it in the schedule is June 3. Depart SBA 7:20am and arrive ORD at 1:20. Return departs ORD at 7:45pm and arrives SBA at 10:30pm.

I also see that SBA-LAX is set to resume on May 8th.


No big announcement but it has been mentioned in some of the recent WN news stories. ORD will be on an E75 to start as opposed to 73G as originally planned, similar to the FAT resumption...although they’ve pushed the FAT E75 all the way out in the schedule and left the 73G in the future SBA schedule online, if that means anything. Also, a 2nd LAX is planned for June (a little odd considering they’ve cut SBP-LAX completely through at least June) as well as upgauges to mainline on 1x Denver and 1x SFO.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 5:28 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
The 772A has weight restriction from ORD to Hawaii at times of the years. The 78X would not have such issues and be able to carry 3 more pallets or 8 more LD3s than the 772A. Of course the 78X is short 46 total seats vs. the 772A, but the configuration has full Polaris and a bit more premium heavy with 16 more Polaris seats and 21 PP seats that the 772A doesn't have.
Additionally, UA may retire some 772As due to age and the PW issue, meaning some routes may have to lose that aircraft. The 772A can't make East Coast Hawaii, so maybe IAD/EWR-Hawaii services could use the 778 in new, denser configuration, which could streamline Hawaii services for crew purposes. Maybe GUM could benefit from more cargo space on the 78X.


I can envision the ORD, IAD, and EWR flights to Hawaii all going 787 in the medium term which should alleviate the operational issues. IAH, DEN, SFO, and LAX remain 77A until they are retired with the remainder going 787.

I can see the '95 and '96 build 77As turning into parts and engine donors for the rest of the fleet and its a gradual drawdown. The fan blades off the 77As will work on the other 77As due to common engine sizes and thrust ratings but I'm not sure if they can be used on the higher thrust rated 772ERs. Does anyone know if the fan blades are interchangeable at that level or is an entirely separate blade model due to the higher thrust rating.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:08 pm

July domestic schedule is up!
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:12 pm

Looks like IAD is still only 2 banks in July!!
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:14 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
July domestic schedule is up!

That was quick, any word on international?
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:23 pm

AVENSAB727 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
July domestic schedule is up!

That was quick, any word on international?


I think it’s funny they are now doing domestic before international but it makes sense.

I think UA is holding out any hope for intl so they’ll wait just a few more days or weeks.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:23 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
Looks like IAD is still only 2 banks in July!!


Seems like ORD is the big winner of July.
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 7:49 pm

AVENSAB727 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
July domestic schedule is up!

That was quick, any word on international?


Not that I see, but you’ll be happy to know IAH-GRR is back. IAH-RIC comes back in June.

IAH-BOI goes 2x daily too.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:24 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
July domestic schedule is up!


STL-ORD still showing 9 Daily in July.....do we have a date in July?

Normally it's 5 daily STL-ORD unless STL really did get all 9 Flights back?

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Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:32 pm

I want to caution that "the" July schedule is not out.

In past schedule months (May and prior), UA has made one singular schedule update usually ~30-45 days prior to the start of the month. However, this model appears to be shifting with the June schedule month. For example, we saw one incremental update to the June schedule a few weeks ago, and then an additional incremental update is scheduled to run this weekend.

The same will hold true for July. So while you are seeing schedule changes, it is not necessarily THE final schedule.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:33 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
July domestic schedule is up!


STL-ORD still showing 9 Daily in July.....do we have a date in July?

Normally it's 5 daily STL-ORD unless STL really did get all 9 Flights back?

Alex

I'm finding that most routes in July still show the placeholder schedule. Not sure if that means UA hasn't fully updated the schedule yet, or if UA is betting on a near-100% 2019 capacity schedule for July (which I doubt is the case).
 
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:47 pm

AC4500 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
July domestic schedule is up!


STL-ORD still showing 9 Daily in July.....do we have a date in July?

Normally it's 5 daily STL-ORD unless STL really did get all 9 Flights back?

Alex

I'm finding that most routes in July still show the placeholder schedule. Not sure if that means UA hasn't fully updated the schedule yet, or if UA is betting on a near-100% 2019 capacity schedule for July (which I doubt is the case).


If a routes' July schedule is the exact same as August, it is likely a placeholder.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:04 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:

STL-ORD still showing 9 Daily in July.....do we have a date in July?

Normally it's 5 daily STL-ORD unless STL really did get all 9 Flights back?

Alex

I'm finding that most routes in July still show the placeholder schedule. Not sure if that means UA hasn't fully updated the schedule yet, or if UA is betting on a near-100% 2019 capacity schedule for July (which I doubt is the case).


If a routes' July schedule is the exact same as August, it is likely a placeholder.


There have been some changes in Houston. For example the flights to BDL, LEX, CAE, and GRR are always in there as place holders. However, all have been yanked except GRR. Thats probably not final but it is a changed I noticed.
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Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:10 pm

Certain stations have certainly been updated for July. Its interesting to see them doing these incremental updates. Perhaps doing a lot more specific market analysis. CLE-ORD is moving from 5 daily to 6. CLE-FLL equipment was switched to E170 in July. CLE-IAD reduced from 4 daily to 2. CLE-LAX, SFO from 2 daily to 1.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:10 am

After Canada banned flights to and from India it appears all UA India service is cancelled to India as well.
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:11 am

asuflyer wrote:
After Canada banned flights to and from India it appears all UA India service is cancelled to India as well.


Source?
 
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Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:17 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
After Canada banned flights to and from India it appears all UA India service is cancelled to India as well.


Source?


Just checked .com and so far all the flights for today are either in-flight or planned. I would expect them to cancel the US outbounds so they don't strand planes in India
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:27 am

codc10 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Both HNL and OGG were on the 77As pre-pandemic and operated daily. The problem I see happening has nothing to do with routing the aircraft but with the pilots and when the route takes a last minute delay that turns into one of those creeping 4-5 hour delays. Without a 777 crew base at ORD if the original crew times out United is left with no choice but to cancel the flight. To do a full recrew would requiring calling in pilots from home. Without an ORD base I would imagine those pilots would first have to deadhead to ORD from either EWR/SFO/IAD/IAH then work a 9 hour flight to Hawaii. I'm not sure a scenario like that is contractually legal or if the FAA would allow 3 person crew to work a 9 hour flight after deadheading to ORD all without legal rest. United has experienced similar situation in the early days of our DEN-NRT flight where a long last delay would lead to an unnecessary cancelation because we had no 787 pilots base at DEN. So in times where the original crew went illegal deadheading 4 replacement pilots in simply wasn't an option because they still would require rest prior to operating DEN-NRT.

I think when UA closes the 777 ORD base ORD-HNL will probably upguage to a 78X, and ORD-OGG would either remain 763 or be upguaged to either a 764 or 78X. To leave both of these routes on a 777 would only spell trouble for United.


The point is well-taken, but how is this different from operations at any outstation? Setting aside flights between pilot domiciles of the same type, those kinds of staffing issues are a possibility with every long haul leg that originates out of base.

As for DEN, the NRT flight operated for years without a local pilot base until additional 787 flying was added to LHR and FRA. I don't think the DEN787 domicile opened until 2018/2019? So it wasn't just about ensuring reliability for the NRT trip. The IAH-SYD example comes to mind (where IAH787 was reopened a few months after closing), but that was a FRMS route at the farthest corner of the legality envelope that substantially any delay would result in a time-out for a crew staffed from another base. ORD-HNL/OGG, now KOA too, are augmented and while a long-ish flight, there is some wiggle room to absorb a moderate delay with a rested, acclimated crew. Regarding your example, a 4-5h delay is going to cause operational headaches no matter the circumstances.

Still, I agree that Hawaii probably becomes a 787 market from ORD for redundancy and operational flexibility going forward. UA still has a number of 787s on order and the longhaul market is not going to be the same for a few years. There will likely be enough slack in the 787 fleet, not to mention the changing opportunity cost calculus, that ORD-HNL/OGG/KOA on 787s might be a "best use" case for a while.


Also if you have a few overnight 777 rotations from other hubs like EWR, SFO it provides a few additional creative options in those rare situations with a lengthy delay requiring re-crewing the cockpit. Not ideal but workable if the 777 is the right sized equipment for the HNL or OGG flights. It will be interesting to see the direction they go

The problem with using the 787s or 763s is they aren’t necessarily the right densities for Hawaii in non-COVID times. They are too J heavy
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:32 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
After Canada banned flights to and from India it appears all UA India service is cancelled to India as well.


Source?


UA flights to DEL from EWR, SFO and ORD are all canceled to tonight. Outbound to India flights,unknown whether this will continue.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 3:08 am

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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:19 pm

gwrudolph wrote:
Also if you have a few overnight 777 rotations from other hubs like EWR, SFO it provides a few additional creative options in those rare situations with a lengthy delay requiring re-crewing the cockpit. Not ideal but workable if the 777 is the right sized equipment for the HNL or OGG flights. It will be interesting to see the direction they go

The problem with using the 787s or 763s is they aren’t necessarily the right densities for Hawaii in non-COVID times. They are too J heavy


I'm not sure they are to J heavy and I don't think UA will be able to simply go back to utilizing those outdated 77As with IPTE when you have American using 788s it simply isn't a competitive product to be using on 7, 8, or even 9 hour flights to Hawaii. I keep wondering why United starting in May is selling PE on flights to Hawaii from ORD, IAH, DEN and EWR(-OGG) if the plan is to go back to IPTE.

I'm wondering if United is perhaps going through the process of exploring the idea of using the 77As on hub to hub routes only and on LAX/SFO - Hawaii flights until the product can be phased out and replaced, while using a more competitive product (Polaris) on widebody flights to Hawaii from IAH/DEN/ORD/EWR/IAD.

For years United has rested on its laurels of being the number 1 carrier of the US3 in terms of total flights from the mainland to Hawaii. And while we still are number one carrier of the US3 in total number of flights to Hawaii competition is heating up which is good, because for decades UA has offered an uncompetitive product to Hawaii on our widebodies especially from IAH, DEN and ORD. The grounding of the PW 777s in my opinion has finally opened UA's eyes I don't see how UA goes back to a 77A especially out of ORD. Going back to a 77A (IPTE) out of ORD would be the equivalent of UA telling passengers go fly AA's 787s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 1:21 pm

Looks like UA gave in and finally decided on a bigger schedule, like the rest of the US airlines. Mostly thanks to DEN, ORD, and IAH.

"In June, United will fly its largest schedule since before the pandemic to meet growing demand for summer travel. The airline is adding more than 480 daily flights to its U.S. schedule to offer an average of over 3,100 total daily domestic flights to more than 240 U.S. destinations. This includes the addition of new flights to Hawaii, Alaska and Montana. Overall, United plans to fly 67% of its domestic schedule and 60% of its overall network schedule compared to its 2019 June schedule."

https://hub.united.com/2021-04-23-unite ... 54559.html


"Last month when United announced 26 brand new direct summer flights from Midwest cities to seven coastal destinations in the Southeast and New England, the airline received nearly 5,000 bookings for these routes in the first 48 hours."
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:26 pm

asuflyer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
After Canada banned flights to and from India it appears all UA India service is cancelled to India as well.


Source?


UA flights to DEL from EWR, SFO and ORD are all canceled to tonight. Outbound to India flights,unknown whether this will continue.

The flights cancelled on 4/22 due to new crew Covid testing requirements... they are still working out the details with relevant authorities. However, there is no 'ban' or suspension at this time.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:53 pm

jayunited wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:
Also if you have a few overnight 777 rotations from other hubs like EWR, SFO it provides a few additional creative options in those rare situations with a lengthy delay requiring re-crewing the cockpit. Not ideal but workable if the 777 is the right sized equipment for the HNL or OGG flights. It will be interesting to see the direction they go

The problem with using the 787s or 763s is they aren’t necessarily the right densities for Hawaii in non-COVID times. They are too J heavy


I'm not sure they are to J heavy and I don't think UA will be able to simply go back to utilizing those outdated 77As with IPTE when you have American using 788s it simply isn't a competitive product to be using on 7, 8, or even 9 hour flights to Hawaii. I keep wondering why United starting in May is selling PE on flights to Hawaii from ORD, IAH, DEN and EWR(-OGG) if the plan is to go back to IPTE.

I'm wondering if United is perhaps going through the process of exploring the idea of using the 77As on hub to hub routes only and on LAX/SFO - Hawaii flights until the product can be phased out and replaced, while using a more competitive product (Polaris) on widebody flights to Hawaii from IAH/DEN/ORD/EWR/IAD.

For years United has rested on its laurels of being the number 1 carrier of the US3 in terms of total flights from the mainland to Hawaii. And while we still are number one carrier of the US3 in total number of flights to Hawaii competition is heating up which is good, because for decades UA has offered an uncompetitive product to Hawaii on our widebodies especially from IAH, DEN and ORD. The grounding of the PW 777s in my opinion has finally opened UA's eyes I don't see how UA goes back to a 77A especially out of ORD. Going back to a 77A (IPTE) out of ORD would be the equivalent of UA telling passengers go fly AA's 787s.


100% agree on the UA flights not being competitive on the 77A's...terrible when we flew ORD>OGG. I booked AA DFW>OGG in PE, it killed me as a 1MM UA guy, but it's too damn long in 10 abreast no PTV's.
I am encouraged with the PE offerings now to HI. I wonder if they will stick, UA does have 78J's coming this year.

It's also noteworthy to compare UA's DEN buildup, vs. DL who has been slowly adding in SLC.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:55 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
"Last month when United announced 26 brand new direct summer flights from Midwest cities to seven coastal destinations in the Southeast and New England, the airline received nearly 5,000 bookings for these routes in the first 48 hours."


United in the earnings call noted 3,000 bookings for the new seasonal TATL routes in the first 24 hours.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 2:58 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Source?


UA flights to DEL from EWR, SFO and ORD are all canceled to tonight. Outbound to India flights,unknown whether this will continue.

The flights cancelled on 4/22 due to new crew Covid testing requirements... they are still working out the details with relevant authorities. However, there is no 'ban' or suspension at this time.


Expectations (pending governmental approvals) are that flights to India today (23APR) are expected to operate with residual delays for the returns to allow for proper crew rest.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:19 pm

codc10 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
"Last month when United announced 26 brand new direct summer flights from Midwest cities to seven coastal destinations in the Southeast and New England, the airline received nearly 5,000 bookings for these routes in the first 48 hours."


United in the earnings call noted 3,000 bookings for the new seasonal TATL routes in the first 24 hours.


UA obviously did their homework on these new route additions. They've been very conservative thus far, but the additions they made all make a lot of sense.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 4:52 pm

Looks like a bunch of drama in India. A United crew refused to take COVID test at DEL airport.

Per United, as result flights at DEL are "temporarily suspended" as they discuss the matter with local authorities

https://apctseries.com/united-airlines- ... ty-flight/
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:04 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Looks like UA gave in and finally decided on a bigger schedule, like the rest of the US airlines. Mostly thanks to DEN, ORD, and IAH.

"In June, United will fly its largest schedule since before the pandemic to meet growing demand for summer travel. The airline is adding more than 480 daily flights to its U.S. schedule to offer an average of over 3,100 total daily domestic flights to more than 240 U.S. destinations. This includes the addition of new flights to Hawaii, Alaska and Montana. Overall, United plans to fly 67% of its domestic schedule and 60% of its overall network schedule compared to its 2019 June schedule."

https://hub.united.com/2021-04-23-unite ... 54559.html


"Last month when United announced 26 brand new direct summer flights from Midwest cities to seven coastal destinations in the Southeast and New England, the airline received nearly 5,000 bookings for these routes in the first 48 hours."

Any interesting 757 or widebody changes?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 5:42 pm

Any word on a date when catering will improve in F?

I have ORD-FAI booked in June and that’s about 6h30m with just the “snack” option showing. Just curious.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:40 pm

UPlog wrote:
Looks like a bunch of drama in India. A United crew refused to take COVID test at DEL airport.

Per United, as result flights at DEL are "temporarily suspended" as they discuss the matter with local authorities

https://apctseries.com/united-airlines- ... ty-flight/


There is no drama according to the report India made a last minute unannounced change (which they have every right to do) to their COVID testing requirements for all inbound crews while the flights were enroute to DEL. According to the report United made the call and ALPA supported the call to not subject the crew to this last minute change in testing as a result United deadheaded all inbound crew members that operated EWR, ORD, and SFO flights into India out of India the same day to EWR and canceled our April 23 DEL-EWR flight. However both UA868 and UA899 both operated as normal on April 23 with a delay. For today all UA flights out of the US are canceled until UA has had a chance to review the new testing requirements but according to the report UA expects to resume flights to DEL on April 25th.

Interestingly these new requirements only apply to DEL not BOM which continues to operate normally.

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