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Max Q
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 09, 2021 9:52 pm

Many unusual aircraft movements

Watching a UA 77W last night operate GUM-SFO non stop

Is this a cargo flight or passenger service?
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SFOtoORD
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 09, 2021 10:03 pm

Max Q wrote:
Many unusual aircraft movements

Watching a UA 77W last night operate GUM-SFO non stop

Is this a cargo flight or passenger service?


Looks like a continuation from TPE.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL8 ... /RCTP/PGUM
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 09, 2021 10:55 pm

Architect Helmut Jahn was killed yesterday in a bike accident in suburban Chicago. He was known for many buildings around the US but had a connection with UA as he designed UAs T1 at O'hare. Despite being 35+ years old T1 has held up fairly well over the years despite everything UA and the Chicago weather have thrown at it. UAs Terminal of Tomorrow remains one of my favorite places to transit through.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2021/ ... son-center
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 09, 2021 11:46 pm

guppyflyer wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Is UA going to return the PW 772 into service or will they be retired? If they´ll return to service will the 764 be retired then?


They will be returning beginning this fall. As of now, the plan is for roughly 20 to be back in service by the end of 2021 with the remainder by summer 2022.


Will the 764 be retired when the PW 772 returns to service?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 1:48 am

guppyflyer wrote:
UA857 wrote:
Is UA going to return the PW 772 into service or will they be retired? If they´ll return to service will the 764 be retired then?


They will be returning beginning this fall. As of now, the plan is for roughly 20 to be back in service by the end of 2021 with the remainder by summer 2022.


Interesting... that's the first I've heard of any kind of timeline. Seems reasonable but curious if this has been communicated internally, and to whom?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 1:55 am

Max Q wrote:
Many unusual aircraft movements

Watching a UA 77W last night operate GUM-SFO non stop

Is this a cargo flight or passenger service?


Crew hotel in TPE has been shut down for at least 14 days do to a non-UA crew member testing positive for COVID. Until United finds approved and appropriate accommodations for the crew or this specific hotel is reopened all UA flights to TPE will operate with a tech stop either in GUM (passenger service flights) or NRT (cargo only flights).
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 2:23 am

Max Q wrote:
Many unusual aircraft movements

Watching a UA 77W last night operate GUM-SFO non stop

Is this a cargo flight or passenger service?


Charter Flight
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 2:26 am

jumpseat67 wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Many unusual aircraft movements

Watching a UA 77W last night operate GUM-SFO non stop

Is this a cargo flight or passenger service?


Charter Flight

No. It's the scheduled flight TPE-SFO which is now stopping in either GUM or NRT due to Government restrictions in TPE.
Last edited by Scarebus34 on Mon May 10, 2021 2:26 am, edited 1 time in total.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 2:26 am

codc10 wrote:



Interesting... that's the first I've heard of any kind of timeline. Seems reasonable but curious if this has been communicated internally, and to whom?


Internally within fleet leadership along with detailed info on the various fixes involved.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 4:45 am

guppyflyer wrote:
codc10 wrote:



Interesting... that's the first I've heard of any kind of timeline. Seems reasonable but curious if this has been communicated internally, and to whom?


Internally within fleet leadership along with detailed info on the various fixes involved.


Very good.. any word on cowling redesign?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 8:16 am

UAX Update:

E145XR:
N17185 (ex-EV) ferried ALB for transfer to CommutAir

CR5:
N511MJ ferried AMA for paint
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 12:17 pm

codc10 wrote:

Very good.. any word on cowling redesign?


Both the inlet and cowl have fixes, the projected days to modify are 3 and 5 days respectively. It involves thicker materials, additional structure and new latches per the memo.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 12:30 pm

Max Q wrote:
Many unusual aircraft movements

Watching a UA 77W last night operate GUM-SFO non stop

Is this a cargo flight or passenger service?


Below is an update on the situation at the crew hotel in TPE which does impact United Airlines flights. Basically China Airline will quarantine all of it crews including pilots operating cargo flights. According to Reuters Taiwan officials revealed they are taking this step after now 35 of China Airlines pilots tested positive. The article does say some pilots were probably infected while traveling over seas and other could have been infected while staying at this mandatory crew hotel by crews from other international carriers. The hotel is currently undergoing a deep cleaning and it appears as though they have reset the clock on the 14 day closure of this hotel, so it may be a while before UA is able to resume nonstop flights to TPE.

Quick side note UA tests our crew members before they operate a flight to TPE.

https://www.reuters.com/article/healthc ... SL1N2MX0F7
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 1:02 pm

I saw the question about BOS-LHR asked, but didn't see it answered. Are they waiting for B6 to come clean on their plans, or maybe UA has decided to shelve it altogether (or at least until 2022).
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 1:49 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
I saw the question about BOS-LHR asked, but didn't see it answered. Are they waiting for B6 to come clean on their plans, or maybe UA has decided to shelve it altogether (or at least until 2022).


No plans to shelve the route but the absence of a timetable to launch was deliberate, for two reasons, I suspect: first, with travel uncertainty as a result of the pandemic, and second, awaiting disclosure of JetBlue's intentions.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 2:18 pm

codc10 wrote:
guppyflyer wrote:
codc10 wrote:



Interesting... that's the first I've heard of any kind of timeline. Seems reasonable but curious if this has been communicated internally, and to whom?


Internally within fleet leadership along with detailed info on the various fixes involved.


Very good.. any word on cowling redesign?


Which subfleet(s) come back first? 77U/77N? 77G/77M?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 3:55 pm

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

E145XR:
N17185 (ex-EV) ferried ALB for transfer to CommutAir

CR5:
N511MJ ferried AMA for paint


CommutAir is horrifyingly terrible. United couldn’t have picked a worse carrier to fly all of these 145s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 5:10 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

E145XR:
N17185 (ex-EV) ferried ALB for transfer to CommutAir

CR5:
N511MJ ferried AMA for paint


CommutAir is horrifyingly terrible. United couldn’t have picked a worse carrier to fly all of these 145s.

Define 'terrible?" There are certainly growing pains.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 5:56 pm

Scarebus34 wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

E145XR:
N17185 (ex-EV) ferried ALB for transfer to CommutAir

CR5:
N511MJ ferried AMA for paint


CommutAir is horrifyingly terrible. United couldn’t have picked a worse carrier to fly all of these 145s.

Define 'terrible?" There are certainly growing pains.


Amature hour with them. We have to air start about 3 or 4 out of every 10 flights of theirs, which takes them anywhere from 10-15 minutes to run their checklists for. Other airlines such as OO are on the ball and ready to go within several minutes of door close. Their pilots are VERY aggressive about releasing brakes for an on-time departure, despite them not being ready. It's not uncommon for them to have not even started their briefings until after door closure. Even on an hour and a half turn, their pilots are continuously behind the curve and are never ready to go at departure time. This results in sitting at the gate for an additional 10 before push. When I get on the headset with mainline, or OO, they are usually always completely ready to run their before-start push check, and we are pushing within several minutes. C5 is just starting their briefings at departure time. This is reflected in their numbers.The average taxi-out times at DEN are: UA-18 mins; OO-21 mins, C5-30 mins. It is taking them longer than everyone to get off the gate, by an average of 9 minutes compared to OO, and 12 mins to mainline. That's a lot of wasted time sitting at the gate. This wasted time results in more planes sitting in the alley waiting to be parked, which if you have flown throw DEN recently, is VERY congested at departure banks. It's a domino effect that affects everybody.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 6:11 pm

Here is a Polaris update for everyone. With the completion of N653UA, the Polaris conversions on the Boeing 767-300ERs are complete.

The following units will not receive Polaris seating:
N657UA
N658UA
N661UA
N662UA
N663UA
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 6:19 pm

ChaseP wrote:
Here is a Polaris update for everyone. With the completion of N653UA, the Polaris conversions on the Boeing 767-300ERs are complete.

The following units will not receive Polaris seating:
N657UA
N658UA
N661UA
N662UA
N663UA


5 Oddball units? Retire them or subfleet? Seems odd.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 6:21 pm

fun2fly wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
Here is a Polaris update for everyone. With the completion of N653UA, the Polaris conversions on the Boeing 767-300ERs are complete.

The following units will not receive Polaris seating:
N657UA
N658UA
N661UA
N662UA
N663UA


5 Oddball units? Retire them or subfleet? Seems odd.


It doesn't specify why. Perhaps they're happy with what they have. All of the desired 772s, all 773s, 788s, and 78Js will all have Polaris.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 6:34 pm

Maintenance Update:
N37298 (Boeing 737-800) is flying a test hop today at MCO after extended maintenance.
N37263 (Boeing 737-800) is scheduled to ferry from SAL to IAH (UA2719/10). It is expected that aircraft will enter IAH for maintenance after oxygen masks dropped during flight for aircraft door seal leak.
N57868 (Boeing 757-300) ferried from GSO to ORD (UA2691/10) after heavy maintenance.
N825UA (Airbus 319) is scheduled to ferry from JAX to LCQ (UA2739/10) for heavy maintenance.
N468UA (Airbus 320) is scheduled to ferry from LCQ to JAX (UA2741/10) after heavy maintenance.

Paint Update:
N37419 (Boeing 737-900) is scheduled to ferry from VCV to IAH (UA2692/10) after painting.
N39415 (Boeing 737-900) is scheduled to ferry from LAX to VCV (UA2737/10) for painting.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 8:14 pm

ChaseP wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
Here is a Polaris update for everyone. With the completion of N653UA, the Polaris conversions on the Boeing 767-300ERs are complete.

The following units will not receive Polaris seating:
N657UA
N658UA
N661UA
N662UA
N663UA


5 Oddball units? Retire them or subfleet? Seems odd.


It doesn't specify why. Perhaps they're happy with what they have. All of the desired 772s, all 773s, 788s, and 78Js will all have Polaris.


There was discussion of some 767 retirements a few years ago before the decision was made to retrofit the entire 767 fleet.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 8:29 pm

ChaseP wrote:
Here is a Polaris update for everyone. With the completion of N653UA, the Polaris conversions on the Boeing 767-300ERs are complete.

The following units will not receive Polaris seating:
N657UA
N658UA
N661UA
N662UA
N663UA



This is strange because both N657UA and N658UA are in HKG for maintenance N657UA was just flown to HKG on May 4th and N658UA was ferried to HKG this past April 9th.

N661UA, N662UA and N663UA are all still in storage at ROW and have not flown since they were moved to ROW from hub locations in 2020.

All 5 of these frames are 1993 builds it does make me wonder what is UA up to? Unless these birds are going to be retired why leave them with diamond seats?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 9:39 pm

That is quite odd. Could it be UA thinks there are enough 46J units?
Maybe the ultimate decision will depend on 772 fan blades, but the 5 units could make up a small sub-fleet of Hawaiian and/or on low-premium summer-only markets.
If left in 30J config, the only difference is the cost of the Polaris seats as Y remains almost totally unchanged.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 10:12 pm

I too think it's quite odd they would leave five units with the old seats. Possible retirement soon would be my best guess, but I don't work in Fleet Planning. The information was given to me from someone with knowledge of the situation.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 10:51 pm

ChaseP wrote:
I too think it's quite odd they would leave five units with the old seats. Possible retirement soon would be my best guess, but I don't work in Fleet Planning. The information was given to me from someone with knowledge of the situation.



As far as I can tell the information looks to be confirmed. N658UA is now schedule to ferry out of HKG as UA2860-11 HKG-GUM, UA2864-12 GUM-HNL, UA2865-12 HNL-ORD.

Once it arrives at ORD it remains unrouted and the seat map in SHARES confirms the aircraft still has the old diamond seats. One way I can tell it is still the old diamond configuration is because 763s with the diamond seats have 49 E+ seats and 135 E- seats, while 763s with Polaris seats have 50 E+ seats and 134 E- seats.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 10, 2021 11:38 pm

jayunited wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
I too think it's quite odd they would leave five units with the old seats. Possible retirement soon would be my best guess, but I don't work in Fleet Planning. The information was given to me from someone with knowledge of the situation.



As far as I can tell the information looks to be confirmed. N658UA is now schedule to ferry out of HKG as UA2860-11 HKG-GUM, UA2864-12 GUM-HNL, UA2865-12 HNL-ORD.

Once it arrives at ORD it remains unrouted and the seat map in SHARES confirms the aircraft still has the old diamond seats. One way I can tell it is still the old diamond configuration is because 763s with the diamond seats have 49 E+ seats and 135 E- seats, while 763s with Polaris seats have 50 E+ seats and 134 E- seats.


Perhaps these will be charter aircraft? HI ops could work, but retirement most likely. I would have thought the 30/46/138 config not the HiJ units anyhow.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 12:16 am

The recent schedule updates for this summer replaced 757-200 frequencies on SFO/DEN-LIH/KOA/OGG with 763s. I wonder if the plan will be to isolate the non-Polaris 767s to these markets?

Funny that we have just passed a brief window in which all 767 revenue flights in the system had the new Polaris configuration! With the 764s and presumably these 763s returning, that will no longer be the case.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 12:58 am

codc10 wrote:
The recent schedule updates for this summer replaced 757-200 frequencies on SFO/DEN-LIH/KOA/OGG with 763s. I wonder if the plan will be to isolate the non-Polaris 767s to these markets?

Funny that we have just passed a brief window in which all 767 revenue flights in the system had the new Polaris configuration! With the 764s and presumably these 763s returning, that will no longer be the case.

16 764's and 5 763's with Diamonds are a good temporary replacement for ~19 77A's.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 1:01 am

codc10 wrote:
The recent schedule updates for this summer replaced 757-200 frequencies on SFO/DEN-LIH/KOA/OGG with 763s. I wonder if the plan will be to isolate the non-Polaris 767s to these markets?


That's an interesting idea. Use up the green time on old frames in markets where the type of lie-flat is perhaps less critical.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 3:22 am

Is UA upgauging certain UAX routes out of ORD for the summer? Noticing that AZO-ORD is an OO 175 starting 7/1, only one flight per day.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 12:34 pm

fun2fly wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
Here is a Polaris update for everyone. With the completion of N653UA, the Polaris conversions on the Boeing 767-300ERs are complete.

The following units will not receive Polaris seating:
N657UA
N658UA
N661UA
N662UA
N663UA


5 Oddball units? Retire them or subfleet? Seems odd.


Not necessarily; they could be earmarked for Hawaii or domestic, they could be heading for retirement or spare parts...
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 2:26 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
The recent schedule updates for this summer replaced 757-200 frequencies on SFO/DEN-LIH/KOA/OGG with 763s. I wonder if the plan will be to isolate the non-Polaris 767s to these markets?


That's an interesting idea. Use up the green time on old frames in markets where the type of lie-flat is perhaps less critical.


The 2-1-2 seating is more appropriate for a market like Hawaii (lots of vacationing couples) versus the very private 1-1-1 of the Polaris 767. When EWR-HNL was a 763 for a while, and Polaris ships would sometimes show up, the privacy of the configuration was actually a fairly common complaint... though for some I suspect that would be more of a 'feature' than a bug... :lol:
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 3:39 pm

Note that 767s only have one set of seats in the middle section. 777s have 2 sets and half of those seats allow for couples to sit together by retracting a panel.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 5:41 pm

Pairs of seats for couples to Hawaii is an interesting way to think about seating configurations. By my count...

65 pairs of "couples seats" on the Diamond 763s (12 pairs J, 53 pairs Y)
53 pairs of "couples seats" on the low-J Polaris 763s (53 pairs Y)
38 pairs of "couples seats" on the high-J Polaris + PE 763s (11 pairs O, 27 pairs Y)
19 pairs of "couples seats" on the IPTE 772s (8 pairs J, 11 pairs Y)
14 pairs of "couples seats" on the 788s (7 pairs J, 6 pairs O, 1 pair Y)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 11, 2021 7:42 pm

Maintenance Update:
N37522 (Boeing 737 MAX 9) is scheduled to ferry from FLL to TPA (UA2710/11) for potable water maintenance.

Aircraft Damage:
N76523 (Boeing 737-800) is scheduled to ferry from SJO to IAH (UA2700/11). An unpressurized ferry is required due to a tail strike at SJO. It is expected that the aircraft will enter IAH for maintenance until repairs are made.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 2:06 am

Here's DEN.

DEN-Mountain West
ABQ: 2 to 3 - one upgrade to mainline
ALS: 2 no change
ASE: 4 to 8
BIL: 3 to 5
BOI: 4 to 5
BZN: 3 to 6
CEZ: 3 no change
CNY: 2 no change
COD: 2 to 4
COS: 6 to 7
CPR: 3 to 5
CYS: 0 to 2
DRO: 6 no change
EGE: 2 to 3
ELP: 3 no change
FCA: 3 to 5
FLG: 2 no change
GEG: 2 no change
GCC: 2 to 3
GJT: 3 to 5
GTF: 2 to 3
GUC: 2 no change
HDN: 3 no change
HLN: 1 to 2
IDA: 3 to 5
JAC: 3 to 5
LAR: 2 no change
LAS: 5 to 6
MSO: 2 to 4
MTJ: 2 to 3
PHX: 5 to 6
PRC: 1 to 2
PSC: 2 no change
PUB: 2 no change
RIW: 1 to 2
RKS: 1 to 2
RNO: 3 no change
SAF: 1 no change
SGU: 4 no change
SHR: 2 to 3
SLC: 6 to 7
SUN: 0 to 1
TUS: 4 no change
TWF: 1 no change
VEL: 2 no change
WYS: 0 to 2

DEN-West Coast/Hawaii/Alaska
ACV: 0 to 1
ANC: 1 to 2
BFL: 1 no change
BUR: 1 no change
EUG: 3 to 4
FAT: 3 no change
HNL: 2 no change
KOA: 1 no change
LAX: 6 to 7
LIH: 1 no change
MFR: 3 no change - one upgrade to mainline
MRY: 1 no change
OGG: 2 no change
ONT: 1 no change
PAE: 1 no change
PDX: 4 no change - one upgrade to mainline
PSP: 3 no change - two downgrades to E175
RDM: 2 no change
SAN: 4 to 5
SBA: 3 no change - two upgrades to mainline
SBP: 2 to 1 - decrease
SEA: 4 to 5
SFO: 5 to 6
SJC: 2 to 3
SMF: 4 no change
SNA: 2 to 3

DEN-Plains/Midwest west of ORD
AMA: 1 no change
ATW: 1 no change
ATY: 1 no change
BFF: 2 no change
BIS: 3 no change
CID: 2 to 3 - one upgrade to mainline
DDC: 2 no change
DIK: 2 no change
DSM: 4 to 5
EAR: 1 to 2
FAR: 3 to 4
FSD: 2 to 4
HYS: 2 no change
ICT: 3 to 4 - one upgrade to mainline
JMS: 2 to 1 - decrease
LBB: 2 no change
LBF: 2 no change
LBL: 2 no change
LNK: 1 to 3
MAF: 2 no change
MCI: 4 to 5
MCK: 2 no change
MKE: 3 no change
MLI: 2 no change
MOT: 2 no change
MSN: 2 no change - one upgrade to mainline
MSP: 2 to 3
OKC: 3 to 5
OMA: 4 to 5
ORD: 7 to 9
PIR: 2 no change
RAP: 4 to 6
RST: 1 no change
SLN: 1 no change
STL: 3 to 4
SUX: 1 no change
TUL: 3 to 4
XWA: 2 no change

DEN-Midwest East of ORD
CLE: 2 no change
CMH: 2 no change
CVG: 2 no change
DTW: 2 no change
GRR: 2 no change - one upgrade to mainline
IND: 2 no change
PIT: 2 no change
SDF: 1 to 2
TVC: 0 to 1

DEN-Northeast/Virginia
BDL: 1 no change
BOS: 4 no change
BWI: 2 no change
DCA: 1 no change
EWR: 6 no change
IAD: 5 no change
LGA: 3 no change
ORF: 1 no change
PHL: 2 no change
RIC: 1 to 2
SYR: 0 to 1

DEN-South
ATL: 3 no change
AUS: 4 to 5
BHM: 2 no change
BNA: 4 no change
CHS: 2 no change
CLT: 2 no change
DFW: 5 to 6
GSP: 1 no change
HSV: 1 no change
IAH: 9 no change
JLN: 0 to 1
LIT: 2 no change
MEM: 2 no change
MSY: 3 no change
RDU: 2 no change
SAT: 3 to 4
SAV: 1 no change
SGF: 3 no change
TYS: 2 no change
XNA: 2 no change

DEN-Florida
ECP: 1 no change
FLL: 4 to 3 - decrease
JAX: 1 no change - upgrade to mainline
MCO: 5 no change
MIA: 1 no change
PNS: 1 no change
RSW: 2 to 1 - decrease
SRQ: 1 no change
TPA: 3 no change
VPS: 1 no change
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 2:13 am

Forgot to include SJU on ORD. It is 1 no change.
FOR THE LOVE OF GOD BRING BACK THE PAYWALL!!!!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 2:23 am

Nice, but I don't think the outward facing BG Polaris seats on 777s are really that good for couples. Can you even touch hands?
Also, the Y pairs depend on configuration.
High J 763 has only 7 Y pairs in the tail while most E+ seats are window pairs.
Most 772 and 787 Y pairs are in the tail.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 5:01 am

ChaseP wrote:
Maintenance Update:
N37522 (Boeing 737 MAX 9) is scheduled to ferry from FLL to TPA (UA2710/11) for potable water maintenance.

Aircraft Damage:
N76523 (Boeing 737-800) is scheduled to ferry from SJO to IAH (UA2700/11). An unpressurized ferry is required due to a tail strike at SJO. It is expected that the aircraft will enter IAH for maintenance until repairs are made.


That will be a long flight below 10,000.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 1:10 pm

What is the likelihood of widebodies getting put back on SFO-OGG? We've got a family trip to Maui in September and were originally booked on a HD 777, but now that they are grounded, they've moved us to a 738. Booked in Biz for the lay flat seats and now stuck to recliners. Any ideas on when they might swap back to widebodies?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 2:56 pm

KaizerWilhelm wrote:
What is the likelihood of widebodies getting put back on SFO-OGG? We've got a family trip to Maui in September and were originally booked on a HD 777, but now that they are grounded, they've moved us to a 738. Booked in Biz for the lay flat seats and now stuck to recliners. Any ideas on when they might swap back to widebodies?


As the schedules update, 767s and 757s are being added to Hawaii markets. UA hasn’t gotten to updating July yet, so September will follow... patience, grasshopper! ;)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 3:20 pm

codc10 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
The recent schedule updates for this summer replaced 757-200 frequencies on SFO/DEN-LIH/KOA/OGG with 763s. I wonder if the plan will be to isolate the non-Polaris 767s to these markets?


That's an interesting idea. Use up the green time on old frames in markets where the type of lie-flat is perhaps less critical.


The 2-1-2 seating is more appropriate for a market like Hawaii (lots of vacationing couples) versus the very private 1-1-1 of the Polaris 767. When EWR-HNL was a 763 for a while, and Polaris ships would sometimes show up, the privacy of the configuration was actually a fairly common complaint... though for some I suspect that would be more of a 'feature' than a bug... :lol:


It could be that UA is more focused on the 787s where PP is added as well as a seating number change. The 767s have the same 30/184 with or without Polaris. So it makes sense to wait.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 3:22 pm

bigb wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
Maintenance Update:
N37522 (Boeing 737 MAX 9) is scheduled to ferry from FLL to TPA (UA2710/11) for potable water maintenance.

Aircraft Damage:
N76523 (Boeing 737-800) is scheduled to ferry from SJO to IAH (UA2700/11). An unpressurized ferry is required due to a tail strike at SJO. It is expected that the aircraft will enter IAH for maintenance until repairs are made.


That will be a long flight below 10,000.


No joke. It also has to be pushing max ferry range (for 10k ft limitation). A bit surprised it can make it nonstop. Fuel burn got to be something like 3x normal?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 6:27 pm

fun2fly wrote:
jayunited wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
I too think it's quite odd they would leave five units with the old seats. Possible retirement soon would be my best guess, but I don't work in Fleet Planning. The information was given to me from someone with knowledge of the situation.



As far as I can tell the information looks to be confirmed. N658UA is now schedule to ferry out of HKG as UA2860-11 HKG-GUM, UA2864-12 GUM-HNL, UA2865-12 HNL-ORD.

Once it arrives at ORD it remains unrouted and the seat map in SHARES confirms the aircraft still has the old diamond seats. One way I can tell it is still the old diamond configuration is because 763s with the diamond seats have 49 E+ seats and 135 E- seats, while 763s with Polaris seats have 50 E+ seats and 134 E- seats.


Perhaps these will be charter aircraft? HI ops could work, but retirement most likely. I would have thought the 30/46/138 config not the HiJ units anyhow.



It's the return of the Ghetto Bird!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 7:33 pm

phllax wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
jayunited wrote:


As far as I can tell the information looks to be confirmed. N658UA is now schedule to ferry out of HKG as UA2860-11 HKG-GUM, UA2864-12 GUM-HNL, UA2865-12 HNL-ORD.

Once it arrives at ORD it remains unrouted and the seat map in SHARES confirms the aircraft still has the old diamond seats. One way I can tell it is still the old diamond configuration is because 763s with the diamond seats have 49 E+ seats and 135 E- seats, while 763s with Polaris seats have 50 E+ seats and 134 E- seats.


Perhaps these will be charter aircraft? HI ops could work, but retirement most likely. I would have thought the 30/46/138 config not the HiJ units anyhow.



It's the return of the Ghetto Bird!


Is it really, though? PTVs (newer system) throughout, flat beds in J, wide 2-3-2 in the back... up front I think I'd take these over any narrowbody and the 77G, and it's tied for the best Y cabins in the fleet!

As much as I'd prefer the Polaris seats, these are definitely nice for traveling with a companion and as long as they don't end up on "prime" international flights (who knows what that is these days, anyway?) it's OK by me.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 7:53 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
bigb wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
Maintenance Update:
N37522 (Boeing 737 MAX 9) is scheduled to ferry from FLL to TPA (UA2710/11) for potable water maintenance.

Aircraft Damage:
N76523 (Boeing 737-800) is scheduled to ferry from SJO to IAH (UA2700/11). An unpressurized ferry is required due to a tail strike at SJO. It is expected that the aircraft will enter IAH for maintenance until repairs are made.


That will be a long flight below 10,000.


No joke. It also has to be pushing max ferry range (for 10k ft limitation). A bit surprised it can make it nonstop. Fuel burn got to be something like 3x normal?


It looks like the flight will operate today at UA2712-12May, right now showing a fuel load of 42,200LBS and with a flight time around 4h:07m the expected fuel burn is 32,476LBS in route.

Compared to a normal SJO-IAH flight operating around 35,000 feet the fuel load is 30,000 and the fuel burn is around 21,660.

42,200LBS isn't the max tank capacity on a 737-800 but clearly operating an empty aircraft at 10,000 feet has a significant impact on the burn rate vs a full aircraft operating at 35,000 feet.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed May 12, 2021 8:12 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
bigb wrote:
ChaseP wrote:
Maintenance Update:
N37522 (Boeing 737 MAX 9) is scheduled to ferry from FLL to TPA (UA2710/11) for potable water maintenance.

Aircraft Damage:
N76523 (Boeing 737-800) is scheduled to ferry from SJO to IAH (UA2700/11). An unpressurized ferry is required due to a tail strike at SJO. It is expected that the aircraft will enter IAH for maintenance until repairs are made.


That will be a long flight below 10,000.


No joke. It also has to be pushing max ferry range (for 10k ft limitation). A bit surprised it can make it nonstop. Fuel burn got to be something like 3x normal?


Just left SJO at 3:05pm (CDT), with initial climb to 12,000 to clear the mountains, then back down to 10,000. 3 hours 14 minutes planned to IAH. Ouch!

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