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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 6:09 pm

Will the 764s get repainted???
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 7:25 pm

pilotfox wrote:
I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

That's exciting!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 7:40 pm

adamblang wrote:
pilotfox wrote:
I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

That's exciting!


I was not surprised to see UA add MKE-IAD nonstop service with
(a) MKE being the biggest market in the Midwest that didn't have nonstop service from IAD prior to UA adding MKE-IAD nonstop service,
(b) the lack of nonstop competition that was there on MKE-WAS prior to UA adding MKE-IAD nonstop service with WN being the only airline serving MKE nonstop from WAS,
(c) there being some UA FF's in the WAS market who would avoid other airlines such as WN and AA whenever possible, and
(d) connecting opportunities available to smaller East Coast markets not served by WN and transatlantic flights to Europe and Africa at IAD on UA and its Star Alliance partners.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 7:54 pm

I'm surprised that they don't fly OMA-IAD yet.
 
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Sat May 15, 2021 8:06 pm

AC4500 wrote:
I'm surprised that they don't fly OMA-IAD yet.


MKE-WAS had stronger demand than OMA-WAS did, both prior to the COVID-19 pandemic and during the COVID-19 pandemic. MKE is also located in a bigger metro area than OMA.

There was also nonstop competition on OMA-WAS prior to the COVID-19 pandemic with both WN and DL serving OMA nonstop from DCA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, but DL has suspended OMA-DCA nonstop service through at least 11/1/2021.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 8:55 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Seems United is still tweaking the July Schedule...

My BNA-ORD got downgraded from A319 to E170 and the departure time moved back for quite a few hours.

May have to change my reservation again.

Check your reservations if you have a United Trip in July!

Alex


My CUN-EWR flight changed from 8pm to 6pm.

My CUN-EWR flight changed from 11am to 8 am. Trade with you? I don't want to end a vacation with an 8 am flight, but I have to drive 5 hours after we get back to EWR.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sat May 15, 2021 11:21 pm

With the recent UA schedule update, ORD-PDX is now at 5x daily flights in July, which is greater than their pre-COVID capacity on that route. It's great to see positive signs of air travel demand coming back!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 2:04 am

adamblang wrote:
pilotfox wrote:
I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

That's exciting!

Now that MKE is served, does anyone know the biggest market this side of the Mississippi without IAD service? Birmingham has to be high on the list. I look up BHM's routes this week and was surprised IAD was missing. UA does fly HSV-IAD, though I'm sure the Military Industrial Complex is the main customer for that flight.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 2:39 am

GSOtoIND wrote:
adamblang wrote:
pilotfox wrote:
I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

That's exciting!

Now that MKE is served, does anyone know the biggest market this side of the Mississippi without IAD service? Birmingham has to be high on the list. I look up BHM's routes this week and was surprised IAD was missing. UA does fly HSV-IAD, though I'm sure the Military Industrial Complex is the main customer for that flight.

MEM is definitely one of them. OMA as well (although that's west of the Mississippi).
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 3:00 am

cosyr wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Seems United is still tweaking the July Schedule...

My BNA-ORD got downgraded from A319 to E170 and the departure time moved back for quite a few hours.

May have to change my reservation again.

Check your reservations if you have a United Trip in July!

Alex


My CUN-EWR flight changed from 8pm to 6pm.

My CUN-EWR flight changed from 11am to 8 am. Trade with you? I don't want to end a vacation with an 8 am flight, but I have to drive 5 hours after we get back to EWR.


Call and get that changed ASAP! LOL.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 3:34 am

I’m hoping for some UA love in Utah. Would like to see added IAD-SLC, DEN-PVU, LAX-SGU.
 
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Sun May 16, 2021 4:04 am

alohashirts wrote:
I’m hoping for some UA love in Utah. Would like to see added IAD-SLC, DEN-PVU, LAX-SGU.

IAD-SLC is definitely only a matter of time. I'm guessing the only issue with that route is that it directly overflies DEN.

Also, they tried LAX-SGU not too long ago...
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 9:44 am

dcajet wrote:
christao17 wrote:
Does anyone know the status of upgrading UA's 787-8 and 787-9 to the new Polaris product? Their progress tracker website looks like it hasn't been updated since 2020.


787-8 fleet is completed.

787-9 fleet is in progress


Looks like the -9 used for DEN-NRT for my flight date is still the old configuration so will route through ORD on NH instead.

Thank you!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 2:19 pm

christao17 wrote:
dcajet wrote:
christao17 wrote:
Does anyone know the status of upgrading UA's 787-8 and 787-9 to the new Polaris product? Their progress tracker website looks like it hasn't been updated since 2020.


787-8 fleet is completed.

787-9 fleet is in progress


Looks like the -9 used for DEN-NRT for my flight date is still the old configuration so will route through ORD on NH instead.

Thank you!


They won't update the seat map until closer to time. So there is still a chance for Polairs
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 2:33 pm

AC4500 wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
adamblang wrote:
That's exciting!

Now that MKE is served, does anyone know the biggest market this side of the Mississippi without IAD service? Birmingham has to be high on the list. I look up BHM's routes this week and was surprised IAD was missing. UA does fly HSV-IAD, though I'm sure the Military Industrial Complex is the main customer for that flight.

MEM is definitely one of them. OMA as well (although that's west of the Mississippi).


MEM and BHM both have DCA service. That's going to be the O&D preference.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 3:28 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
Now that MKE is served, does anyone know the biggest market this side of the Mississippi without IAD service? Birmingham has to be high on the list. I look up BHM's routes this week and was surprised IAD was missing. UA does fly HSV-IAD, though I'm sure the Military Industrial Complex is the main customer for that flight.

MEM is definitely one of them. OMA as well (although that's west of the Mississippi).


MEM and BHM both have DCA service. That's going to be the O&D preference.

I suppose that's true. Once transatlantic travel demand returns, I'm sure routes like MEM/BHM-IAD will be added (or at least considered) since IAD is better suited geographically for connections from the Southeast than EWR is.

As for domestic/O&D traffic, if UA is willing to offer lower fares, that could steer passengers away from the nearby competing DCA flights.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 3:54 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
GSOtoIND wrote:
Now that MKE is served, does anyone know the biggest market this side of the Mississippi without IAD service? Birmingham has to be high on the list. I look up BHM's routes this week and was surprised IAD was missing. UA does fly HSV-IAD, though I'm sure the Military Industrial Complex is the main customer for that flight.

MEM is definitely one of them. OMA as well (although that's west of the Mississippi).


MEM and BHM both have DCA service. That's going to be the O&D preference.


DCA is the O&D preference for most cities into DC though

I think east of the Mississippi is a pretty arbitrary cut off regardless
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 5:13 pm

GSOtoIND wrote:
adamblang wrote:
pilotfox wrote:
I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

That's exciting!

Now that MKE is served, does anyone know the biggest market this side of the Mississippi without IAD service? Birmingham has to be high on the list. I look up BHM's routes this week and was surprised IAD was missing. UA does fly HSV-IAD, though I'm sure the Military Industrial Complex is the main customer for that flight.


UA also does not fly to BHM from EWR. UA’s presence at BHM is token, at best.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 5:21 pm

UA has now added it 1000pm bank on the schedule at IAD
 
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Sun May 16, 2021 5:39 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Heres EWR.

EWR-Northeast/Virginia/Caribbean
ALB: 1 no change
BGR: 0 to 2
BQN: 1 no change
BTV: 1 no change
BUF: 3 no change
DCA: 2 no change
EWR: 2 no change
IAD: 3 no change
ORF: 2 no change
PQI: 1 no change
PWM: 2 to 4
RIC: 2 no change
ROC: 2 no change
SJU: 4 no change
STT: 2 no change

EWR-Florida
EYW: 3 to 2 - decrease
FLL: 6 no change
JAX: 3 to 2 - decrease but one flight upgraded to mainline
MCO: 6 to 7
MIA: 5 no change
PBI: 6 to 5 decrease
RSW: 4 to 5
SRQ: 1 to 2
TPA: 5 no change

EWR-South
ATL: 3 no change - one upgrade to mainline
AUS: 2 no change - one upgrade to mainline
AVL: 0 to 1
BNA: 2 to 3
CHS: 3 to 4
CLT: 3 no change
DFW: 3 no change - one upgrade to mainline
IAH: 6 to 7
MSY: 3 no change - one upgrade to mainline
RDU: 3 no change
SAV: 3 to 4

EWR-Midwest East of ORD
CLE: 3 no change
CMH: 2 no change
CVG: 2 no change
DTW: 3 no change
GRR: 0 to 1
IND: 3 no change
PIT: 3 no change
TVC: 0 to 1

EWR-Midwest West of ORD/Plains
MSP: 1 no change
ORD: 4 to 7
RAP: 0 to 1
STL: 2 no change

EWR-Mountain States
BZN: 0 to 1
DEN: 6 no change
LAS: 3 no change
PHX: 3 no change
SLC: 1 no change

EWR-West Coast/Hawaii/Alaska
ANC: 0 to 1
HNL: 1 no change
LAX: 3 to 4
OGG: 0 to 5x weekly
PDX: 1 to 2
SAN: 2 no change
SEA: 2 no change
SFO: 3 to 4
SMF: 0 to 1
SNA: 0 to 1


These are amazing lists - thanks very much indeed.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 5:47 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
UA has now added it 1000pm bank on the schedule at IAD


Cool. I’ll look at it and revise IADs numbers. We’re there any changes to other hubs?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun May 16, 2021 7:37 pm

What percent of fare setting is done manually vs through AI/algorithms at United or is that closely guarded revenue management secret? It’s amazing how large fare discrepancies can be amongst carriers in a given market comparison.
 
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Sun May 16, 2021 8:06 pm

sldispatcher wrote:
What percent of fare setting is done manually vs through AI/algorithms at United or is that closely guarded revenue management secret? It’s amazing how large fare discrepancies can be amongst carriers in a given market comparison.


Can't speak specific to UA but most carriers give their pricing analysts the power to manually override the auto-generated price as long as it doesn't drop below the price floor.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 3:01 am

763:
N652UA - Scheduled exit from ROW en-route to HKG for maintenance on 17-May/2726

764:
N76054 - Scheduled exit from ROW en-route to HKG for maintenance on 18-May/2716

772:
N78009 - Exited HKG on 17-May/2697
N78004 - Scheduled entry into HKG for maintenance on 17-May/2723. Routing through SFO and NRT to HKG

Ballast weight has been removed from all of the GE powered 772 airframes. All are back to their normal passenger carrying configuration now
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 4:00 am

Going through the updates for IAD, some interesting things.

PHX: its still only 1x daily but upgraded to 757-200
SFO: All three flights operated by widebody with 1x 763 and 2x 788
LAX: one flight now on 788
LGA: was all CRJ, now 2x E75 and 1x CRJ
BDL: 2 of 3 flights on mainline
JAX: all mainline

Number of Flights Added since previous update:
ALB: 1
ATL: 1
AVL: 1
AVP: 1
BDL: 1
BNA: 1
BTV: 1
BUF: 1
CAE: 1
CHO: 1
CHS: 1
CLE: 1
CLT: 1
CMH: 1
CVG: 1
DAY: 1
EWR: 1
FLL: 1
GSO: 1
GSP: 1
IAH: 1
ILM: 1
IND: 1
LGA: 1
MCO: 1
MDT: 1
MHT: 1
MKE: 1
MYR: 1
ORD: 1
ORF: 1
PHL: 1
PIT: 1
PVD: 1
RIC: 1
ROA: 1
ROC: 1
RDU: 1
SAV: 1
SCE: 1
SDF: 1
SYR: 1
TPA: 1

So with the 9 flights previously accounted for, that puts IAD at 52 additional flights from May to July. A very nice improvement!
 
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Mon May 17, 2021 11:21 am

EWR-ATH will be upgauged to a 777-200ER for July (and presumably August), up from the 767-300ER, EWR-MAD, EWR-BCN, EWR-LIS all resuming by mid-Summer, and IAD-FRA going double daily later this summer. EWR-DBV starting a week earlier than originally announced.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 11:23 am

United flew IAD-SLC for several years and dropped it a few years ago. Who knows- maybe they’ll bring it back?


quote="AC4500"]
alohashirts wrote:
I’m hoping for some UA love in Utah. Would like to see added IAD-SLC, DEN-PVU, LAX-SGU.

IAD-SLC is definitely only a matter of time. I'm guessing the only issue with that route is that it directly overflies DEN.

Also, they tried LAX-SGU not too long ago...[/quote]
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 11:46 am

UA is late to the party, but at least they made it:

"United to add 400 flights to July's schedule compared to June and operate 80% of pre-pandemic U.S. schedule"

"In the U.S., United will add new routes to Bozeman, MT; Orange County, CA; Raleigh, N.C and Yellowstone/Cody, WY. The airline is also adjusting its flight times at its hubs at Chicago O'Hare International Airport and Washington Dulles International Airport to provide more convenient options for customers"

"Bookings for summer travel are up 214% compared to 2020 levels."

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 92205.html

I'm guessing that some of these aren't loaded yet.
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Mon May 17, 2021 11:53 am

ContinentalEWR wrote:
EWR-ATH will be upgauged to a 777-200ER for July (and presumably August), up from the 767-300ER, EWR-MAD, EWR-BCN, EWR-LIS all resuming by mid-Summer, and IAD-FRA going double daily later this summer. EWR-DBV starting a week earlier than originally announced.


More EWR to Europe additions for July
EWR-LHR goes from 1 to 3 daily (787 and 2x 767-300)
EWR-MUC 767-300
EWR-EDI 757-200
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 12:12 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
UA is late to the party, but at least they made it:

"United to add 400 flights to July's schedule compared to June and operate 80% of pre-pandemic U.S. schedule"

"In the U.S., United will add new routes to Bozeman, MT; Orange County, CA; Raleigh, N.C and Yellowstone/Cody, WY.


Weird. The release doesn't say anything about the origin markets for those routes.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 12:26 pm

AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
UA is late to the party, but at least they made it:

"United to add 400 flights to July's schedule compared to June and operate 80% of pre-pandemic U.S. schedule"

"In the U.S., United will add new routes to Bozeman, MT; Orange County, CA; Raleigh, N.C and Yellowstone/Cody, WY.


Weird. The release doesn't say anything about the origin markets for those routes.


Yeah, I guess they'll announce these later in the week?

BZN is probably p2p since they already fly to all of their hubs from BZN. RDU is probably p2p also since RDU-LAX is pretty crowded.

Maybe SNA-IAD & WYS-LAX or SFO
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 12:33 pm

I find it crazy that route planners are still trying to dump capacity into places like BZN ... and now COD and WYS?

The issue that’s been pointed out here for weeks isn’t the desire or ability to fly - it’s the hotels and rental cars. You can’t really take a family vacation to Montana without renting a car... and there are already none left! Random days in July show cars over $700 a day in Bozeman.

Places like COD and WYS barely had any rental cars to begin with
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 12:40 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
UA is late to the party, but at least they made it:

"United to add 400 flights to July's schedule compared to June and operate 80% of pre-pandemic U.S. schedule"

"In the U.S., United will add new routes to Bozeman, MT; Orange County, CA; Raleigh, N.C and Yellowstone/Cody, WY.


Weird. The release doesn't say anything about the origin markets for those routes.


Yeah, I guess they'll announce these later in the week?

BZN is probably p2p since they already fly to all of their hubs from BZN. RDU is probably p2p also since RDU-LAX is pretty crowded.

Maybe SNA-IAD & WYS-LAX or SFO


I feel like some of these might not be new routes?

IAD-BZN begins July 1 which was announced a few months ago

EWR-SNA and SFO-RDU resume July 1. Could United be calling these two new routes because they haven't operated in over a year?

WYS on the other hand sounds like it will be a new route since DEN-WYS resumes in June.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 1:47 pm

319 N813UA returned to service from storage 4/21/21 without the 12F configuration.
Flight Status now shows 12F configuration, which must have been completed May 3-8 in IAH.
2 remaining 319s with 8F configuration are stored at ROW
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 2:43 pm

According to the July Schedule, IAH-LHR/NRT return on July 1st, AMS is still a no show…
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 2:45 pm

There are some sources indicating that DL CVG-SFO nonstop service might be completely cut (including a post found at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455993&start=250#p22781639 and a Cranky Flier article found at https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/10/airl ... stability/), even though DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights are still currently showing up in DL flight schedules starting on 4/1/2022.

I agree that there is the possibility of DL permanently discontinuing CVG-SFO nonstop service or suspending CVG-SFO nonstop service past 4/1/2022, even if DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights are still showing up in DL's flight schedules past 4/1/2022.

I have previously mentioned the possibility of UA re-adding CVG-SFO nonstop service with the significant demand that was there between CVG and the San Francisco Bay Area in 2019 (back when DL/UA/F9 were all operating CVG-SFO nonstop service) along with the possibility of DL permanently discontinuing CVG-SFO nonstop service.

The PDEW of CVG-SFO/OAK/SJC was 341 passengers/day in Q3 2019, and there is likely enough demand for the return of UA CVG-SFO nonstop service with CVG-SFO/OAK/SJC demand being at 30-40% of Q3 2019 levels if DL permanently discontinues CVG-SFO nonstop service.

There is also the possibility of another competitor such as F9, AS, G4, or WN adding nonstop service to CVG from the San Francisco Bay Area if UA doesn't re-add CVG-SFO nonstop service.

UA also has nonstop service out of CVG to a few destinations that DL no longer serves nonstop from CVG such as IAH and IAD, and UA is also going to be starting seasonal p2p nonstop service out of CVG to CHS, HHH, PNS, and PWM (which don't have nonstop service from CVG on DL) later this month.

Is UA likely to re-add CVG-SFO nonstop service, given that the lack of CVG-SFO nonstop service would be a big hole in both markets if demand were at normal levels?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 3:19 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
UA is late to the party, but at least they made it:

"United to add 400 flights to July's schedule compared to June and operate 80% of pre-pandemic U.S. schedule"

"In the U.S., United will add new routes to Bozeman, MT; Orange County, CA; Raleigh, N.C and Yellowstone/Cody, WY. The airline is also adjusting its flight times at its hubs at Chicago O'Hare International Airport and Washington Dulles International Airport to provide more convenient options for customers"

"Bookings for summer travel are up 214% compared to 2020 levels."

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 92205.html

I'm guessing that some of these aren't loaded yet.


United is not late to the party, what we are seeing is more leisure traffic at more of our hubs. Since I live in Chicago I can say absolute certainty if United had added this type of capacity out of Chicago in February, March, April or May we would be flying around a lot of empty seats. Cities like Chicago, New, York, San Francisco, and Washington D.C. are just starting their long road to recovery. Whereas cities like Miami, Charlotte, Dallas, Phoenix, Denver, Houston, and Atlanta, Orlando, have been on the recovery road since December or January. Even in the Delta thread people in the past are asking what is Delta doing?

Everyone is looking at American and judging both Delta and United by American’s actions, without first stopping to survey why American has been able to add so many flights and where they adding those flights. Take ORD as an example if United was so behind then we should be behind American at ORD right? But we are not and we never have been at ORD. American has added a ton of flights out of DFW, CLT, MIA, PHX, but they haven’t done much at PHL, ORD, or LAX but no one focuses on those hubs and the lack of American resumption of flights at those hubs.

United has grown DEN and IAH the only two hubs where we could grow or resume flights because demand remained strong where as at the rest of our hubs IAD, EWR, ORD, SFO, and LAX the public has had to deal with more restrictions which stifled demand. Now that are lifting and many of these cities and states will be fully reopened in June we are seeing a boost in demand from these hubs and United is responding to the increased demand.

Another thing driving this increase which was included in United’s announced was Summer booking for July are already up 214% the largest increase United has seen in bookings (not searches but actual bookings) since the pandemic. With July still a more a month away booking will only increase more so if we are already up 214% where will we be once July begins.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 4:44 pm

jplatts wrote:
There are some sources indicating that DL CVG-SFO nonstop service might be completely cut (including a post found at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455993&start=250#p22781639 and a Cranky Flier article found at https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/10/airl ... stability/), even though DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights are still currently showing up in DL flight schedules starting on 4/1/2022.

I agree that there is the possibility of DL permanently discontinuing CVG-SFO nonstop service or suspending CVG-SFO nonstop service past 4/1/2022, even if DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights are still showing up in DL's flight schedules past 4/1/2022.

I have previously mentioned the possibility of UA re-adding CVG-SFO nonstop service with the significant demand that was there between CVG and the San Francisco Bay Area in 2019 (back when DL/UA/F9 were all operating CVG-SFO nonstop service) along with the possibility of DL permanently discontinuing CVG-SFO nonstop service.

The PDEW of CVG-SFO/OAK/SJC was 341 passengers/day in Q3 2019, and there is likely enough demand for the return of UA CVG-SFO nonstop service with CVG-SFO/OAK/SJC demand being at 30-40% of Q3 2019 levels if DL permanently discontinues CVG-SFO nonstop service.

There is also the possibility of another competitor such as F9, AS, G4, or WN adding nonstop service to CVG from the San Francisco Bay Area if UA doesn't re-add CVG-SFO nonstop service.

UA also has nonstop service out of CVG to a few destinations that DL no longer serves nonstop from CVG such as IAH and IAD, and UA is also going to be starting seasonal p2p nonstop service out of CVG to CHS, HHH, PNS, and PWM (which don't have nonstop service from CVG on DL) later this month.

Is UA likely to re-add CVG-SFO nonstop service, given that the lack of CVG-SFO nonstop service would be a big hole in both markets if demand were at normal levels?


This is where I think UA could benefit from having 100 seat mainline like the A220 or ERJ-195 E2.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon May 17, 2021 5:01 pm

STT757 wrote:
jplatts wrote:
There are some sources indicating that DL CVG-SFO nonstop service might be completely cut (including a post found at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1455993&start=250#p22781639 and a Cranky Flier article found at https://crankyflier.com/2021/05/10/airl ... stability/), even though DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights are still currently showing up in DL flight schedules starting on 4/1/2022.

I agree that there is the possibility of DL permanently discontinuing CVG-SFO nonstop service or suspending CVG-SFO nonstop service past 4/1/2022, even if DL CVG-SFO nonstop flights are still showing up in DL's flight schedules past 4/1/2022.

I have previously mentioned the possibility of UA re-adding CVG-SFO nonstop service with the significant demand that was there between CVG and the San Francisco Bay Area in 2019 (back when DL/UA/F9 were all operating CVG-SFO nonstop service) along with the possibility of DL permanently discontinuing CVG-SFO nonstop service.

The PDEW of CVG-SFO/OAK/SJC was 341 passengers/day in Q3 2019, and there is likely enough demand for the return of UA CVG-SFO nonstop service with CVG-SFO/OAK/SJC demand being at 30-40% of Q3 2019 levels if DL permanently discontinues CVG-SFO nonstop service.

There is also the possibility of another competitor such as F9, AS, G4, or WN adding nonstop service to CVG from the San Francisco Bay Area if UA doesn't re-add CVG-SFO nonstop service.

UA also has nonstop service out of CVG to a few destinations that DL no longer serves nonstop from CVG such as IAH and IAD, and UA is also going to be starting seasonal p2p nonstop service out of CVG to CHS, HHH, PNS, and PWM (which don't have nonstop service from CVG on DL) later this month.

Is UA likely to re-add CVG-SFO nonstop service, given that the lack of CVG-SFO nonstop service would be a big hole in both markets if demand were at normal levels?


This is where I think UA could benefit from having 100 seat mainline like the A220 or ERJ-195 E2.


The ship on major fleet capex (for the next few years) has sailed... even with that said, United wants to increase gauge well beyond the low-100s. It won't be taking up the ex-EZY 319s it bought, and clearly wants to focus on 160+ seats, as it has increased the size of its MAX order.

If the current domestic situation persists (reduced yield, higher leisure demand, lower business demand) for a few years, the 100-seat category is comparatively less-advantageous.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 4:22 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
MEM and BHM both have DCA service. That's going to be the O&D preference.

True, though the area around Dulles has experienced robust business development recently.

IAD provides a great alternative to ATL for MEM-Europe and BHM-Europe.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 4:47 pm

n9801f wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
MEM and BHM both have DCA service. That's going to be the O&D preference.

True, though the area around Dulles has experienced robust business development recently.

IAD provides a great alternative to ATL for MEM-Europe and BHM-Europe.

I don't think UA has any desire to capture BHM-Europe or it is at least content to capture that traffic over ORD. BHM-Europe is pretty well covered with AA through CLT/PHL and DL through ATL/DTW. If there was significant traffic to capture outside of those connections, I think you would've seen DL start a JFK flight.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 5:13 pm

ATLgaUSA wrote:
n9801f wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
MEM and BHM both have DCA service. That's going to be the O&D preference.

True, though the area around Dulles has experienced robust business development recently.

IAD provides a great alternative to ATL for MEM-Europe and BHM-Europe.

I don't think UA has any desire to capture BHM-Europe or it is at least content to capture that traffic over ORD. BHM-Europe is pretty well covered with AA through CLT/PHL and DL through ATL/DTW. If there was significant traffic to capture outside of those connections, I think you would've seen DL start a JFK flight.


This.

If UA starts IAD-MEM/BHM, it will be because the DC and NOVA markets demand it. That’s why IAD-HSV exists.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 5:20 pm

Speaking of IAD,

IAD-PDX increases to 2x daily starting on June 3rd, which is way above 2019 pre-COVID capacity.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 5:38 pm

AC4500 wrote:
Speaking of IAD,

IAD-PDX increases to 2x daily starting on June 3rd, which is way above 2019 pre-COVID capacity.


Excellent news.

I’ve always thought IAD was underutilized.
 
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Tue May 18, 2021 6:24 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Speaking of IAD,

IAD-PDX increases to 2x daily starting on June 3rd, which is way above 2019 pre-COVID capacity.


Excellent news.

I’ve always thought IAD was underutilized.

Agreed about IAD being underutilized, although I guess that's mainly due to nearby DCA. Alaska's DCA-PDX route certainly hasn't helped UA perform well on IAD-PDX, but I guess UA must see some kind of opportunity here.

Edit: Technically IAD-PDX is actually at 11x weekly. The new flight operates Thur-Sun only.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 6:30 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Speaking of IAD,

IAD-PDX increases to 2x daily starting on June 3rd, which is way above 2019 pre-COVID capacity.


Excellent news.

I’ve always thought IAD was underutilized.



I agree, I think the pandemic along with EWR’s runway construction has provided United with an opportunity to bring forward their plan to utilize IAD more so as our East Coast connection hub and focus EWR more so on O&D and European connecting traffic. Until this runway construction project is complete I believe we will see UA lean more so on IAD than EWR because the last thing UA want to see is a complete operational melt down at EWR because we over schedule capacity when we knew one of the main runways would be out of service and the airport will not be able to handle large volumes of flights.

I think if we get EWR up to 240 daily departures this summer and hold it there, IAD with 220 daily departures can handle the rest. If United tried to operate more flights this summer out of EWR than the airport can handle it would lead to daily cancelations. United at EWR will be in a tough spot this summer we have to remain competitive but we can’t be so competitive that we become overly aggressive and in turn our own worst enemy. We can not have an operational melt down at EWR simply because one of their main runways will be out of service and we’ve over schedule our operation. Let IAD take some of the workload off of EWR during the construction.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 6:39 pm

jayunited wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
AC4500 wrote:
Speaking of IAD,

IAD-PDX increases to 2x daily starting on June 3rd, which is way above 2019 pre-COVID capacity.


Excellent news.

I’ve always thought IAD was underutilized.



I agree, I think the pandemic along with EWR’s runway construction has provided United with an opportunity to bring forward their plan to utilize IAD more so as our East Coast connection hub and focus EWR more so on O&D and European connecting traffic. Until this runway construction project is complete I believe we will see UA lean more so on IAD than EWR because the last thing UA want to see is a complete operational melt down at EWR because we over schedule capacity when we knew one of the main runways would be out of service and the airport will not be able to handle large volumes of flights.

I think if we get EWR up to 240 daily departures this summer and hold it there, IAD with 220 daily departures can handle the rest. If United tried to operate more flights this summer out of EWR than the airport can handle it would lead to daily cancelations. United at EWR will be in a tough spot this summer we have to remain competitive but we can’t be so competitive that we become overly aggressive and in turn our own worst enemy. We can not have an operational melt down at EWR simply because one of their main runways will be out of service and we’ve over schedule our operation. Let IAD take some of the workload off of EWR during the construction.


It would be I think the ideal strategy.

EWR should focus on international traffic (including markets that feed them) and domestic O&D.

IAD has a lot of international O&D as well, but it could easily replace EWR as the East Coast connector. Its less delay prone, theres more space, and has a more central location.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 7:08 pm

Should we expect a big ramp up of the EWR schedule in October if current recovery trends continue and the construction is finished on time?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 7:22 pm

jayunited wrote:

I think if we get EWR up to 240 daily departures this summer and hold it there, IAD with 220 daily departures can handle the rest. If United tried to operate more flights this summer out of EWR than the airport can handle it would lead to daily cancelations. United at EWR will be in a tough spot this summer we have to remain competitive but we can’t be so competitive that we become overly aggressive and in turn our own worst enemy. We can not have an operational melt down at EWR simply because one of their main runways will be out of service and we’ve over schedule our operation. Let IAD take some of the workload off of EWR during the construction.


Are other carriers cutting back on EWR ops this summer as well or are they going to take advantage of UA's temporary reductions and start stocking up on opportunities? I'm not familiar with the FAA's current rules regarding EWR capacity restrictions since the slot rule got relaxed. If B6 gets it's foot in the door at EWR (like WN at DEN years ago), it might be difficult for UA to get back the market share they enjoyed before. Losing market share might result in losing some pricing power.

OTOH, I'm all for reducing the dependence on EWR as a domestic connecting hub in favor of IAD.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue May 18, 2021 7:41 pm

Looks like quite a few updates were made to the first half of the July domestic schedule.

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