One question that has popped into my head: moving forward as UA decides what to do about HD aircraft is that the original “forward/backward” seats which we all know are really outdated and NOT competitive. They are tight with ZERO storage space. (To the seat’s credit; when they launched, no other US airline had lie flats in business class, at the time I recall being super impressed with them. It was very transparent that UA must have briefed Pentagram for a 1 for 1 replacement of the previous grey lounge chair with a “lie flat”. With that restriction, there was no way to make them less tight. But they are actually very comfortable for sleeping- so long as nobody needed to go to the Lav or keep a carry-on with them) for a hot minute they were great!
The Diamond seat is dated too, but not that dated. My question is: Could UA use the Diamond seats coming off the 789’s for the First Class seat on the HD aircraft, be it a PW 777 or 764 (which already have them) as they would be a nice step up from the “catacomb seats”? Or, would they lose too many F lie flats?
Plus, the Diamond seat with Polaris upholstery (as seen on some of the spruced up 752’s) actually look rather nice (an would be even better with a refurbished bulkhead and entryway sign, etc) Then the HD ac would not look like an emergency evacuation aircraft! And it would provide United with so much more brand consistency with just 2 different F lie-flats.
My personal opinion is that the Diamond seats will hang around on the 77A or its replacement, be that a sub fleet of 77E or 764.
For Hawaii and seasonal Europe leisure markets there is a much lower percentage of single travellers. Those routes have more vacationing couples, even families. For that market the Diamond seats in pairs are quite good. It’s why Hawaiian Airlines went with seats in pairs even after the market was moving towards direct access single seats, for Hawaii pairs work better. Single travellers can choose an aisle seat in the centre block and still have aisle access without someone climbing over them.
For the HD sub fleet I therefore don’t see the value in paying big bucks for Polaris seats. In a market wheee Diamond is good enough, the return on investment probably isn’t there. If the HD frames are limited to Hawaii, domestic, and maybe secondary Europe, then the product will be fine IMHO.
I couldn’t agree more. I cannot see all those hundreds of Diamond seats being disposed of, maybe some could be sold? But isn’t that version of the Diamond seat on a 789 a “bit” updated, seat controls moved from the side to the top (unfortunately exactly where I put my elbow!) But, by virtue of being NEW, they do look so much better than much older versions, and in turn make the cabin look more contemporary (intentionally avoiding the word “modern”)
My primary question is, how many seats does a HD 772 lose to install newer Diamond seats? Would they lose too many F or Y seats by scrapping the old “forward/backward” lie-flat First? Can UA manage losing X amount of seats on an HD 772?
For consistency sake, I would hope to see UNITED with 3 lie-flat seats:
The new NB lie-flat
Last question: for all the 77W’s and a handful of 763’s, will United keep the beautiful, sculpted and lit bulkheads? Or will they remove them for the pain silver wall paper?
United never BRANDED their cabins (apart from Saul Bass’ grey sky with orange, red & blue abstract sunset), but with all the newness and innovation UA should brand the front bulkhead…as nicely as many other airlines ex: Lufthansa, Swiss, Cathay (British?) and many more.
The CURRENT silver plaque does not look nearly as proud, it’s just type to a pax (UA lacks a strong symbol and the “Globe-in-Box” is not a great “symbol” - until I saw my first 77W. That blew me away! What a gorgeous cabin! NO MISTAKING “THIS IS THE NEW UNITED” and the best use of the 1/4 globe.
*a last thought about HD aircraft Diamond seat. They should get Polaris upholstery, but if the sides of the headrests got a new “United Color” (ala: purple for PE) a new color (I vote for the turquoise) for a HD First cabin would go a long way to offset the potential disappointment of seeing an old seat vs Polaris. Plus set a great mood for Hawaii!