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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:06 am

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Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but did UA drop all cargo-only wide-body service? unitedcargo.com shows no such flights for July.


Yes cargo only flights will come to an end at the end of June.

As more countries reopen their borders or relax quarantine rules for fully vaccinated travelers United will use the widebody fleet to support our international operations, then there is also Hawaii which is already experiencing a huge increase in demand that demand is only expected to grow as Hawaii drops their testing requirement for fully vaccinated travelers.

Also United isn't alone in ending cargo only flights multiple international carriers have also announced starting in July they would either be installing the seats back on their widebodies or if they didn't take the seats out they would be moving them back to passengers service routes this summer. Most of these changes can be attributed to an increase in the number of international passenger flights but also a decrease in cargo revenue do to a decrease in shipping rates.


Thanks for the detailed reply. I noticed air freight rates coming out of China are finally dropping but still a bit surprised to see the drawdown.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:42 am

The 1st -10 in UA colors
7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines
Image7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:43 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
The 1st -10 in UA colors
7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines
Image7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr


Wow so these are already rolling out even though no delivery until 2023? Will this aircraft be used for testing?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 6:56 am

WoodysAeroimag wrote:
The 1st -10 in UA colors
7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines
Image7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr


Have a feeling they painted one because its part of the UA order announcement.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:44 am

flyer56 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
flyer56 wrote:
Sorry if I missed this somewhere, but did UA drop all cargo-only wide-body service? unitedcargo.com shows no such flights for July.


Yes cargo only flights will come to an end at the end of June.

As more countries reopen their borders or relax quarantine rules for fully vaccinated travelers United will use the widebody fleet to support our international operations, then there is also Hawaii which is already experiencing a huge increase in demand that demand is only expected to grow as Hawaii drops their testing requirement for fully vaccinated travelers.

Also United isn't alone in ending cargo only flights multiple international carriers have also announced starting in July they would either be installing the seats back on their widebodies or if they didn't take the seats out they would be moving them back to passengers service routes this summer. Most of these changes can be attributed to an increase in the number of international passenger flights but also a decrease in cargo revenue do to a decrease in shipping rates.


Thanks for the detailed reply. I noticed air freight rates coming out of China are finally dropping but still a bit surprised to see the drawdown.


I'm not surprised at all to see United drawdown cargo only flights starting next month. If we take China as an example every United flight passenger service/cargo only flight is operating with a stop either in ICN (SFO-PVG) or (NRT/GUM) for all our cargo only flights. The ICN stopover will remain because that flight is our one and only passenger service flight. However we know there are additional cost added in when making a stop in GUM or NRT before continuing onward to PVG/PEK/CTU. With air freight rates now dropping it is no longer profitable for United to continue operating cargo only flights out of Asia. Moving forward the plan in Asia is for United to fully utilize our passengers service flights to get cargo to NRT/HND/TPE/ICN and let our air freight partners in Asia take over from there to get the cargo to its final destination. Remember in Japan UA/NH have a JV that also covers air freight. In addition to NH, United has air freight partners all throughout Asia helping us move cargo. Time has come for us to once again rely on our partners.

Moving on to the South Pacific United has increase LAX-SYD operations to daily while continuing daily service on SFO-SYD. Dropping the extra 3x or 4x weekly LAX-SYD cargo only flight and dropping LAX-MEL weekly cargo only flight isn't going to be that much of a dent in how much cargo United moves into and out of Australia. United also has partners down in Australia that move cargo between MEL and SYD for us (I'm not sure if it is by road or by air but we do have partners moving cargo between those 2 airports).

Lastly we have Europe and just focusing on United the number of passenger service flights United resumed this spring along with the resumption of more flights in July is basically the reason why we are ending cargo only flights to/from Europe. With Lufthansa resuming I believe weekly if not daily service FRA-ATL-FRA the resumption of this service allows United to remove our 78X which has been operating cargo only flights off this route and route the cargo onto LH's flights. Just like ANA in Japan, United also has a JV that covers cargo with LH so it doesn't matter which airline operates the flight.

If Europe were to close back down and/or if air freight rates out of Asia were to increase this fall I think would bring back cargo only flights in a heart beat. On the other hand if borders continue to open and rules are relaxed it will just precipitate the continued fall of air freight rates. Sooner or later air freight rates will come down to their pre-pandemic levels at which point cargo only flights make no sense for United Airlines.
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 12:54 pm

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Do you think the one vending machine at SGU could handle that many diverted passengers for hours?

Are you proposing the airport authority add a second vending machine for diversions? :D
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:46 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
WoodysAeroimag wrote:
The 1st -10 in UA colors
7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines
Image7935 66118 N27753 737-10 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr


Wow so these are already rolling out even though no delivery until 2023? Will this aircraft be used for testing?


I believe so. That specific plane is in full colors and with a full UA interior for nautical air mileage testing and interior certification. And don’t get your hopes up just yet — this bird does not have the lie flats.
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 7:33 pm

319:
N873UA - En-route to the US from XMN. Currently in NRT waiting to leave for ANC (28-Jun/2715) where it will refuel before heaving onward to SFO using the same flight number. This is the last of the China Southern 319s to be retrofitted in XMN. All others are stateside either in storage or in service.
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:05 pm

intotheair wrote:
That specific plane is in full colors and with a full UA interior for nautical air mileage testing and interior certification. And don’t get your hopes up just yet — this bird does not have the lie flats.

I'd be really curious to see the LOPA for that aircraft.
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:49 pm

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STT757 wrote:
Does anyone have a tail number of the 737-8 Max so we can track it?

N27251, which is scheduled for a C1 acceptance flight tomorrow.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N27251


Safely landed at EWR!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N27251
 
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Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:10 pm

fun2fly wrote:
NewYork1K wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Does anyone have a tail number of the 737-8 Max so we can track it?

N27251, which is scheduled for a C1 acceptance flight tomorrow.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N27251


Safely landed at EWR!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N27251


Departing BFI this morning

Image8035 43931 N27251 737-8 United Airlines by 737 MAX Production, on Flickr
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 1:44 am

That livery looks sooooo good.
 
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Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:21 am

777-200ER Polaris:
N77014 sked to exit HKG 2688/29Jun in Polaris/PP configuration. This completes the Polaris program on the 777.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:25 am

Hopefully Commutair will get some TLC. They are really beginning to struggle in IAH to keep a schedule together it seems.. i would imagine UAL can’t be overly impressed with their operations at this point.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:33 am

I finally flew JFK to LAX. I was on the “low J” 767. Still, in seat 1A, she looked beautiful. I was curious why she didn’t have new paint, however.

But it was super nice to see “United” on the interior road sign!

I think it’s been since around the last transcontinental that I was inside T7. I remember when the interiors were a dark brown metal and very old world. Then the big renovation, with the waterfall between the escalators after security, and this time it had been renovated again since I was there.

Taking off and banking over Coney Island was great to see again. I really praying for UA to grow there, I don’t think it needs to be a giant operation, but seeing LHR, (and NRT) would be awesome along with some 737MAX’s to their other hubs would be great to see. It’s much longer for me to get to JFK vs EWR from where I live, but UA belongs there spiritually (and profitable). I miss the 2 747’s that were almost always there.

The little amenity kit UA uses for transcon would be a very nice touch in international PE! (in purple!)

How are those JFK flights doing so far?
Would a CRJ550 work from MacArthur to either EWR or IAD?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:34 am

adamblang wrote:
That livery looks sooooo good.


I agree! The UNITED branding is so proud!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:35 pm

It may take a couple of days for this to fully reflect on United.com but United just updated our Hawaii schedule at least internally.

Before today the domestic HD 77As were still showing operating flights to Hawaii starting in October from ORD, IAH, DEN, LAX, and SFO. Now the HD 77As have been removed and replaced by a mixture of 787-8s, 767s, 757-300s, GE powered 77Es, and 77Ws. United will utilize these aircraft (or continue utilizing these aircraft) October 2021 through March 2022.

At least internally now the HD 77As have been removed from all Hawaii flights until April 2022. I think it is also safe to assume any domestic flight within the lower 48 showing operating on a HD 77A will also at some point see change of equipment.
 
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Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:42 pm

adamblang wrote:
That livery looks sooooo good.


Must be an eye of the beholder thing.

Still looks like a cheap CO knock off to me.
 
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Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:48 pm

jayunited wrote:
It may take a couple of days for this to fully reflect on United.com but United just updated our Hawaii schedule at least internally.

Before today the domestic HD 77As were still showing operating flights to Hawaii starting in October from ORD, IAH, DEN, LAX, and SFO. Now the HD 77As have been removed and replaced by a mixture of 787-8s, 767s, 757-300s, GE powered 77Es, and 77Ws. United will utilize these aircraft (or continue utilizing these aircraft) October 2021 through March 2022.

At least internally now the HD 77As have been removed from all Hawaii flights until April 2022. I think it is also safe to assume any domestic flight within the lower 48 showing operating on a HD 77A will also at some point see change of equipment.


I think that may be a sign the 77As are going to be grounded permanently.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:54 pm

Two photos of the MAX 8 already in the A.net database:
 
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Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:58 pm

United1 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
It may take a couple of days for this to fully reflect on United.com but United just updated our Hawaii schedule at least internally.

Before today the domestic HD 77As were still showing operating flights to Hawaii starting in October from ORD, IAH, DEN, LAX, and SFO. Now the HD 77As have been removed and replaced by a mixture of 787-8s, 767s, 757-300s, GE powered 77Es, and 77Ws. United will utilize these aircraft (or continue utilizing these aircraft) October 2021 through March 2022.

At least internally now the HD 77As have been removed from all Hawaii flights until April 2022. I think it is also safe to assume any domestic flight within the lower 48 showing operating on a HD 77A will also at some point see change of equipment.


I think that may be a sign the 77As are going to be grounded permanently.


I think you are right, I think the 77As may have flown their last flight this past February.
 
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Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:50 pm

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Hopefully Commutair will get some TLC. They are really beginning to struggle in IAH to keep a schedule together it seems.. i would imagine UAL can’t be overly impressed with their operations at this point.


They have been a terrible operation in DEN as well. Broken airplanes and no crews. United really picked a winner.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 10:56 pm

Varsity1 wrote:
adamblang wrote:
That livery looks sooooo good.


Must be an eye of the beholder thing.

Still looks like a cheap CO knock off to me.



Agree


What looks so weird to me is the gap between the curved cheat line and the bottom of the white paint, why not use the cheat line as the border between the white and grey paint underneath, it looks all wrong and unattractive


Billboard titles are always ugly so that’s not working, finally I never understood, even in Continental days why the globe on the vertical tail isn’t continued into the dorsal fin extension, it would look a lot better, more complete and finished, UA could have fixed that

I like the shade of blue though !
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:33 pm

Max Q wrote:
Varsity1 wrote:
adamblang wrote:
That livery looks sooooo good.


Must be an eye of the beholder thing.

Still looks like a cheap CO knock off to me.



Agree


What looks so weird to me is the gap between the curved cheat line and the bottom of the white paint, why not use the cheat line as the border between the white and grey paint underneath, it looks all wrong and unattractive


Billboard titles are always ugly so that’s not working, finally I never understood, even in Continental days why the globe on the vertical tail isn’t continued into the dorsal fin extension, it would look a lot better, more complete and finished, UA could have fixed that

I like the shade of blue though !


What gets me is that the U in UNITED crosses over the overwing exits when there is plenty of room to shift the titles over and not have that happen. Drives me nuts.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Mon Jun 28, 2021 11:37 pm

Looks like UA canned plans for a relaunch at SMX for the foreseeable future.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:22 am

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Looks like UA canned plans for a relaunch at SMX for the foreseeable future.

That's too bad. It would have been nice to see them increase connectivity but I'm sure the SMX team will keep trying hard to snag them soon. Maybe they'll get AA to PHX. And when that happens, we can be sure that UA jumps on the SMX bandwagon once again.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:14 am

The 2500 do not have the PW4090’s the have the same PW4077’s as the other A models. Some may have an engine intermix which derates the 4090 to match the other 4077.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:15 am

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What do you think are the chances of Pratt & Whitney coming up with a fix for the 13 77A frames that are 25 and 26 years old?

Agreed. At this point, I wonder how much PW would be willing to pay into new jets for UA to just make the problem go away, rather than spend millions or hundreds of millions to fix it. Better yet, if UA is ordering 321NEO's, PW might just give them an amazing deal on the initial engines, and they would then keep UA as a customer for decades to come.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:40 am

UA777FO wrote:
The 2500 do not have the PW4090’s the have the same PW4077’s as the other A models. Some may have an engine intermix which derates the 4090 to match the other 4077.


Fair enough...I must not be remembering correctly.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:07 am

I personally do not see the 2300/2400 series 77A aircraft coming back into service. With most being at ~26 years old come Spring 2022, increasing maintenance costs, increased insurance costs due to the engine failures, I don't think it makes sense to return them to service.

The 2500 series 77A aircraft are a coin toss in my eyes; yes they are younger but a subfleet of 6 aircraft really doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not sure if the fan blades can be harvested from the 4077 engines and used on the 4090 series. Fan size is the same but I am not sure if the higher power engine requires stronger fan blades or if they are interchangeable. If they can, that may be the best solution moving forward to keep the ER fleet going until retirement since the fan blades are no longer produced.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:15 pm

Anyone have any idea on the future of the 753 fleet? With the recent order(s) of the A321 I can't imagine these old CO and TZ will be around much longer. Certainly my favorite plane to fly on especially up in F.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:56 pm

Does anyone have the breakdown of the 200 Max's ordered today? Or is there any breakdown, or will UA just choose what they want delivered as it approaches? Given them saying a new plane will arrive every 3 days in 2024, it must be mostly about replacing planes, and they have a lot of 738's and 73G's that are some of the oldest ones. I know UA doesn't need a lot of them, but I would love to see 30-50 Max7's, especially as they talk about fewer regional planes, and they didn't order any 220's. 76 to 160+ is a huge capacity jump, and there must be some markets in the middle 100-140 seats that justify a fleet.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:57 pm

cosyr wrote:
Does anyone have the breakdown of the 200 Max's ordered today? Or is there any breakdown, or will UA just choose what they want delivered as it approaches? Given them saying a new plane will arrive every 3 days in 2024, it must be mostly about replacing planes, and they have a lot of 738's and 73G's that are some of the oldest ones. I know UA doesn't need a lot of them, but I would love to see 30-50 Max7's, especially as they talk about fewer regional planes, and they didn't order any 220's. 76 to 160+ is a huge capacity jump, and there must be some markets in the middle 100-140 seats that justify a fleet.


50 -8s, 150 more -10s.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:11 pm

In the investors event still going on at EWR, Andrew Nocella noted although this order is for narrowbodies only that United had place a widebody order just prior to the pandemic hitting when he was talking about the widebody fleet. I'm wondering if he was referring to the 7 78Xs United order in early 2020? The A359 order was deferred years before the pandemic and the only widebody order I can find is for those 7 frames for the 78Xs.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:47 pm

United mentions in their press release that this is the largest order by a single airline in a decade. But that isn’t true is it? IndiGo has ordered more planes that this in 2019?

https://hub.united.com/united-adds-270- ... 86391.html
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:05 pm

[quote="airboss787"]United mentions in their press release that this is the largest order by a single airline in a decade. But that isn’t true is it? IndiGo has ordered more planes that this in 2019?

Whether you decide 2020, or 2021 is the switch of "new decade", we are in a new decade now.

2019 was the last decade..2010-2020

2021 is the new decade...odd wording...not sure why UA said it but it isn't wrong...

Alex
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:11 pm

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airboss787 wrote:
United mentions in their press release that this is the largest order by a single airline in a decade. But that isn’t true is it? IndiGo has ordered more planes that this in 2019?

Whether you decide 2020, or 2021 is the switch of "new decade", we are in a new decade now.

2019 was the last decade..2010-2020

2021 is the new decade...odd wording...not sure why UA said it but it isn't wrong...

Alex


Well, if we have to be pedantic, it says "in a decade" not "in this decade" which would then have been more accurate. In a decade very clearly refers to the last 10 years and not the beginning of this decade. And 2019 is in the last 10 years.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:25 pm

I could see 300 A320neos in an all Y, no IFE, no power, no WiFi configuration coming in for a few bucks less than 150 MAX 10s, 50 MAX 8s and 70 A321neos with more expensive cabin fitting.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-r ... craft.html
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:33 pm

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Good to see UA bumping EWR to around 275 departures for September. Hoping once the runway stuff ends in October that number goes even higher.


United will be back to 430 flights per day at EWR by November, they're also looking to hire an additional 5,000 employees at the airport.

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/06/united-buying-new-planes-creating-jobs-in-nj-as-more-people-are-traveling-again.html
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:35 pm

Found the interior of the 737-8 and looks like AC MAX interior. Would be great if the MAX 9 will be fitted with IFE soon.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 7578696705
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 2:52 pm

STT757 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Good to see UA bumping EWR to around 275 departures for September. Hoping once the runway stuff ends in October that number goes even higher.


United will be back to 430 flights per day at EWR by November, they're also looking to hire an additional 5,000 employees at the airport.

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/06/united-buying-new-planes-creating-jobs-in-nj-as-more-people-are-traveling-again.html


Makes sense why they are pouring on the Florida capacity then.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:09 pm

STT757 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Good to see UA bumping EWR to around 275 departures for September. Hoping once the runway stuff ends in October that number goes even higher.


United will be back to 430 flights per day at EWR by November, they're also looking to hire an additional 5,000 employees at the airport.

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/06/united-buying-new-planes-creating-jobs-in-nj-as-more-people-are-traveling-again.html

Why does the article call EWR UA’s largest hub?
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:36 pm

Planeboy17 wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Good to see UA bumping EWR to around 275 departures for September. Hoping once the runway stuff ends in October that number goes even higher.


United will be back to 430 flights per day at EWR by November, they're also looking to hire an additional 5,000 employees at the airport.

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/06/united-buying-new-planes-creating-jobs-in-nj-as-more-people-are-traveling-again.html

Why does the article call EWR UA’s largest hub?


I might be wrong, but I wonder if EWR is their largest hub in terms of employees.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 3:40 pm

hannah9898 wrote:
Found the interior of the 737-8 and looks like AC MAX interior. Would be great if the MAX 9 will be fitted with IFE soon.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 7578696705

Really cool that the same IFE found on the newer longhaul fleet is making its way to these new narrow bodies. That setup is fantastic.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:10 pm

As far as this year goes, only 8 737-8 MAX are remaining to be delivered right?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:36 pm

STT757 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
STT757 wrote:

United will be back to 430 flights per day at EWR by November, they're also looking to hire an additional 5,000 employees at the airport.

https://www.nj.com/news/2021/06/united-buying-new-planes-creating-jobs-in-nj-as-more-people-are-traveling-again.html

Why does the article call EWR UA’s largest hub?


I might be wrong, but I wonder if EWR is their largest hub in terms of employees.

I think they just forgot the word "international" EWR might be UA's biggest international hub, at least prior to covid.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:46 pm

cosyr wrote:
STT757 wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
Why does the article call EWR UA’s largest hub?


I might be wrong, but I wonder if EWR is their largest hub in terms of employees.

I think they just forgot the word "international" EWR might be UA's biggest international hub, at least prior to covid.


The NJ.com journalist elected to drop the word "global". Below is the wording from the United.com page.

"United expects to resume its full schedule of flights out of Newark by November 2021 when the FAA slot waiver period ends. The airline is already the leading carrier from Newark - United's largest global gateway - with 430 daily flights that include international destinations like Johannesburg, Tel Aviv, Mumbai and Hong Kong."
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:14 pm

Ok need some clarification on Max8/9 total aircraft. Now coming from an old memory please bear with me.

Original order for Max9 was 61.
Original order for Max10 was 100.

Now for months there was debate about the Max8's. It was posted UA showing 25 Max8 coming but no official announcement. We even had nose numbers thanks to a poster.
Then back in March there was a Max8 order for 25. Was this for the ghost planes or a separate order meaning now a total of 50 Max8?

Now today.
50 Max8
150 Max10.

My confusion is with the total numbers. Wiki shows UA with 90 Max8 and 79 Max9. I know its Wiki but still...
Another site from great poster here has UA with 67 Max8 and 63 Max9.

These just aren't adding up. If anyone has links to change in Max9 order great. But I'm stuck on the 61.
The Max8 should be either 75 or 100.

Thank goodness the Airbus order is simple. 70 321Neo and 50 XLR. 45 350-900.(Please don't start debate about whether they are coming or not). This is strictly about what is ordered.
The Boeing WB order remains just the final 787-10 from original 14 and the 7 top off order announced Feb 2020.

Thanks to all.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:53 pm

hannah9898 wrote:
Found the interior of the 737-8 and looks like AC MAX interior. Would be great if the MAX 9 will be fitted with IFE soon.

https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 7578696705


Here are some more interior shots! Re as Lou nice cabin!

https://simpleflying.com/united-boeing-737-max-8/
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:27 am

jetblastdubai wrote:
cosyr wrote:
STT757 wrote:

I might be wrong, but I wonder if EWR is their largest hub in terms of employees.

I think they just forgot the word "international" EWR might be UA's biggest international hub, at least prior to covid.


The NJ.com journalist elected to drop the word "global". Below is the wording from the United.com page.

"United expects to resume its full schedule of flights out of Newark by November 2021 when the FAA slot waiver period ends. The airline is already the leading carrier from Newark - United's largest global gateway - with 430 daily flights that include international destinations like Johannesburg, Tel Aviv, Mumbai and Hong Kong."

Thank you for the clarification.

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