United Fleet, Network, and Discussion Thread - Q2 2021

LAXdude1023 · Thu May 13, 2021 2:03 am

Heres SFO:

SFO-West Coast/Hawaii/Alaska
ACV: 2 to 3
ANC: 0 to 1
BFL: 1 no change
EUG: 2 to 4
FAT: 2 to 4
HNL: 3 to 5
KOA: 3 to 4
LAX: 4 to 5
LIH: 1 to 2
MFR: 2 to 3
OGG: 3 to 5
ONT: 3 no change
OTH: 1 no change
PDX: 3 to 5
PSP: 2 no change
RDD: 1 to 3
RDM: 2 to 3
SBA: 2 no change
SEA: 3 to 5
SMF: 4 to 5
SNA: 2 to 5

SFO-Mountain West
ABQ: 0 to 2
ASE: 0 to 1
BOI: 3 to 4
BZN: 0 to 1
DEN: 5 to 6
GEG: 2 no change
JAC: 0 to 1
LAS: 4 to 5
MSO: 0 to 1
PHX: 3 to 4
PSC: 1 to 2
RNO: 3 to 4
SBP: 2 to 1 - decrease
SLC: 3 no change
SUN: 0 to 1
TUS: 2 no change

SFO-South
AUS: 2 to 3
BNA: 0 to 1
DFW: 1 to 2
IAH: 6 to 7
RDU: 0 to 1

SFO-Midwest west of ORD/Plains
ORD: 5 to 6

SFO-Midwest East of ORD
CLE: 0 to 1

SFO-Florida
FLL: 0 to 1
MCO: 1 no change
TPA: 0 to 1

SFO-Northeast
BOS: 1 to 3
EWR: 3 to 4
IAD: 3 no change
JFK: 2 no change

AaronPGH · Thu May 13, 2021 2:04 am

LAXDude, thank you for pulling together these hub roundups!

maps4ltd · Thu May 13, 2021 2:19 am

These numbers are for July right?

rjbesikof · Thu May 13, 2021 2:22 am

With Germany's recent announcement about opening up to vaccinated travelers, do you think UA will reopen more flights/frequencies to MUC and FRA or leave those to Lufthansa?

Scarebus34 · Thu May 13, 2021 2:28 am

rjbesikof wrote:
With Germany's recent announcement about opening up to vaccinated travelers, do you think UA will reopen more flights/frequencies to MUC and FRA or leave those to Lufthansa?

At one point EWR-MUC was not loaded at all. It’s back in the schedule now so my guess is they do have Intentions of restoring some US-Germany service.

rjbesikof · Thu May 13, 2021 2:31 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
With Germany's recent announcement about opening up to vaccinated travelers, do you think UA will reopen more flights/frequencies to MUC and FRA or leave those to Lufthansa?

At one point EWR-MUC was not loaded at all. It’s back in the schedule now so my guess is they do have Intentions of restoring some US-Germany service.

Since the traffic headed to Germany would be tourists and not business travelers, which is the more touristic destination, FRA or MUC?

LAXdude1023 · Thu May 13, 2021 2:35 am

maps4ltd wrote:
These numbers are for July right?

It’s increase (or decrease) in flights between May and July. I get that the July schedule may be subject to some changes, and I’ll monitor it.

I’ll count up increases per hub as well.

sfojvjets · Thu May 13, 2021 2:39 am

jayunited wrote:
At one point during the pandemic there were more revenue O&D passengers flying UA out of LAX than UA at SFO, and out of all of UA's hubs SFO was dead last in terms of total revenue passengers. While SFO's revenue passenger count has improved UA is still doing quite well at LAX despite the fact LAX remains the smallest UA hub in total flights.

I think SFO will make some kind of a comeback this summer. Anecdotally, as someone who hasn't flown since January 2020 (April 2020 flight canceled) I have 3 rt's booked for june and july, two of which are on UA (tcon and Hawaii). Might book something for August and would love to go to PPT this winter. I'm cautiously optimistic given that so much of our (pre-covid) traffic is Intl.

jayunited · Thu May 13, 2021 4:01 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
With Germany's recent announcement about opening up to vaccinated travelers, do you think UA will reopen more flights/frequencies to MUC and FRA or leave those to Lufthansa?

At one point EWR-MUC was not loaded at all. It’s back in the schedule now so my guess is they do have Intentions of restoring some US-Germany service.

In addition to resuming EWR-MUC, United has already resumed both IAD-MUC and ORD-MUC on a weekly bases, this leaves both IAH-MUC and SFO-MUC in the suspended column. With this news we may see United increase frequency out of EWR, IAD or ORD, or perhaps resume service out of IAH or SFO.

mmahpeel · Thu May 13, 2021 5:36 am

SFO-MUC starts June 5, on Sat/Mon/Wed.

KaizerWilhelm · Thu May 13, 2021 12:00 pm

codc10 wrote:
KaizerWilhelm wrote:
What is the likelihood of widebodies getting put back on SFO-OGG? We've got a family trip to Maui in September and were originally booked on a HD 777, but now that they are grounded, they've moved us to a 738. Booked in Biz for the lay flat seats and now stuck to recliners. Any ideas on when they might swap back to widebodies?

As the schedules update, 767s and 757s are being added to Hawaii markets. UA hasn’t gotten to updating July yet, so September will follow... patience, grasshopper!

Good point, hadn't really thought about that. I will continue to exercise patience!

LAXdude1023 · Thu May 13, 2021 5:48 pm

Heres my former home airport, LAX.

LAX-West Coast/Hawaii/Alaska
ACV: 1 no change
EUG: 1 no change
FAT: 2 to 3
HNL: 3 to 4
ITO: 1 no change
KOA: 2 no change
LIH: 1 to 2
MFR: 1 no change
MRY: 0 to 2
OGG: 2 to 3
RDD: 1 no change
RDM: 1 no change
SAN: 1 to 2
SBA: 1 to 2
SCK: 0 to 2
SEA: 1 to 2 - one upgrade to mainline
SFO: 4 to 5
SMF: 0 to 2

LAX-Mountain West
ASE: 0 to 2
BOI: 1 no change
BZN: 1 no change
COS: 1 no change
DEN: 4 to 5
FCA: 0 to 1
JAC: 0 to 1
LAS: 2 to 4
PHX: 1 to 2
PRC: 1 no change
RNO: 2 to 3
SLC: 1 to 2
SUN: 0 to 1

LAX-Midwest
CLE: 0 to 1
ORD: 5 to 7

LAX-Northeast
BOS: 0 to 2
BWI: 0 to 1
EWR: 3 to 4
IAD: 2 to 3
JFK: 2 no change

LAX-South/Florida
AUS: 1 to 2
IAH: 6 to 8
MCO: 2 no change

IFlyOff · Thu May 13, 2021 6:47 pm

Great job, LAXdude. A couple you missed. SFO-SAN 3 to 4. And LAX-SAN has been 2, not 1. So it's no change.

ChaseP · Thu May 13, 2021 7:26 pm

Maintenance Update:
N14731 (Boeing 737-700) is scheduled to ferry from ORD to MCO (UA2757/13) for scheduled maintenance.
N68880 (Boeing 737-900) is scheduled for a test flight (UA2692/13) after heavy maintenance.
N57868 (Boeing 757-300) is scheduled to ferry from GSO to ORD (UA2691/13) after a brief maintenance visit.
N215UA (Boeing 777-200) is scheduled to ferry from HNL to SFO (UA2714/14) for maintenance.
N809UA (Airbus 319) is scheduled to ferry from IAH to LCQ (UA2756/14) for heavy maintenance.

Storage Update:
N492UA (Airbus 320) ferried from TPA to GYR (UA2720/13). It is unconfirmed if the unit will enter storage or not.
N438UA (Airbus 320) is scheduled to ferry from SFO to GYR (UA2722/14). It is unconfirmed if the unit will enter storage or not.

Paint Update:
N426UA (Airbus 320) is scheduled to ferry from DEN to VCV (UA2755/14) for painting.

Pinto · Fri May 14, 2021 12:08 am

rjbesikof wrote:
With Germany's recent announcement about opening up to vaccinated travelers, do you think UA will reopen more flights/frequencies to MUC and FRA or leave those to Lufthansa?

Any link to this announcement?

rjbesikof · Fri May 14, 2021 12:24 am

Pinto wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
With Germany's recent announcement about opening up to vaccinated travelers, do you think UA will reopen more flights/frequencies to MUC and FRA or leave those to Lufthansa?

Any link to this announcement?

Yes.https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/n ... 064394001/

christao17 · Fri May 14, 2021 12:43 am

Does anyone know the status of upgrading UA's 787-8 and 787-9 to the new Polaris product? Their progress tracker website looks like it hasn't been updated since 2020.

dcajet · Fri May 14, 2021 12:48 am

christao17 wrote:
Does anyone know the status of upgrading UA's 787-8 and 787-9 to the new Polaris product? Their progress tracker website looks like it hasn't been updated since 2020.

787-8 fleet is completed.

787-9 fleet is in progress

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/ ... /htmlview#

sfojvjets · Fri May 14, 2021 1:02 am

Anyone have the status of widebody repainting?? For some reason I thought the first 788 had gone into painting for EvoBlue some time ago but perhaps I was mistaken? I would love to see some kind of schedule on that. Thanks!

sfojvjets · Fri May 14, 2021 1:03 am

sfojvjets wrote:
Anyone have the status of widebody repainting?? For some reason I thought the first 788 had gone into painting for EvoBlue some time ago but perhaps I was mistaken? I would love to see some kind of schedule on that. Thanks!

^Never mind, I see it is on the spreadsheet listed above my previous post.

avi8 · Fri May 14, 2021 3:21 am

Any idea when UA will start working on the fixes the MAX needs?

AAIL86 · Fri May 14, 2021 3:23 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Left out EWR-MYR. 3 to 4.
EWR-HHH 1 no change
ORD-MYR 1 no change
ORD-HHH 1 no change
ORD-CKB 1 no change
IAH-RAP 0 to 1

Begging for UA to start IAH-MYR!!

Thanks for the handy recap, bro!

Acey559 · Fri May 14, 2021 3:58 am

avi8 wrote:
Any idea when UA will start working on the fixes the MAX needs?

The fix should be completed and all affected aircraft back in service in a few days.

calpsafltskeds · Fri May 14, 2021 4:33 am

FYI:
EvoBlu spreadsheet (tabs on bottom or top for WB, NB and Express)
NB 71 of 595 complete
WB 39 of 213 complete
Express 140 of 587 complete
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... n-progress

Polaris Update spreadsheet:
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... d-schedule
Expect 789s to enter mod after two 788s exit XMN

flyer56 · Fri May 14, 2021 5:17 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Heres my former home airport, LAX.

LAX-West Coast/Hawaii/Alaska

Thanks for posting all these LAXdude1023. Much appreciated.

cosyr · Fri May 14, 2021 1:20 pm

We haven't talked about it much since COVID, but what is the status of Domestic F upgrades? There was a lot of debate about the old 738/9 seats, and talk about why it was taking so long to get new seats for all narrowbodies. Have any new F seats been installed in the last year?

jayunited · Fri May 14, 2021 6:51 pm

Today May 14th United is relaunching IAD-ACC but this time on a 788 instead of a 763.

Flight will operate 3x weekly outbound on Sunday/Wednesday/Friday as UA996, and inbound Monday/Thursday/Saturday as UA997.

Surprisingly United still for some reason has not received approval to operate IAD-LOS. Again I"m not sure if it is the US government holding things up or the Nigerian government. Until approval is granted United can't announce any launch date for this route.

Lastly EWR-JNB is still showing a scheduled launch date on June 3rd.

LAXdude1023 · Sat May 15, 2021 12:49 am

Based on all the flight improvements I put together, heres which hubs gained the most domestic flights between May and July.

ORD: 110
IAH: 83
DEN: 75
SFO: 49
LAX: 37
EWR: 23
IAD: 9

July tweaks can still happen. This is just where it stands as of now.

jayunited · Sat May 15, 2021 1:12 am

Question about a United 787 order from 2020.

In a May 2020 SEC Q-10 filing United revealed that back in February of 2020 the company exercised options for seven additional 787s. Once this information became public it was reported at the time United had ordered seven more 78Xs. In subsequent SEC Q-10 filings there has been no further mention of this order and on Boeing's website they are showing an order in February of 2020 for seven 787-10s with GE engines but it is listed under the unidentified order column and not under the United Airlines column.

My question is what happened to this order? Under the United order on Boeing's website I can only see one 787-10 for future delivery, and the information I'm seeing internally doesn't really provide any real clarity. I can't find any (what I would consider) concrete information on those additional 787s United disclosed in their May 2020 SEC filing.

Scarebus34 · Sat May 15, 2021 1:16 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Based on all the flight improvements I put together, heres which hubs gained the most domestic flights between May and July.

ORD: 110
IAH: 83
DEN: 75
SFO: 49
LAX: 37
EWR: 23
IAD: 9

July tweaks can still happen. This is just where it stands as of now.

My understanding is they will add another bank to IAD in July.

LAXdude1023 · Sat May 15, 2021 1:54 am

Scarebus34 wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
Based on all the flight improvements I put together, heres which hubs gained the most domestic flights between May and July.

ORD: 110
IAH: 83
DEN: 75
SFO: 49
LAX: 37
EWR: 23
IAD: 9

July tweaks can still happen. This is just where it stands as of now.

My understanding is they will add another bank to IAD in July.

That would make total sense. IAD can definitely support more than just 9 additional flights.

UAinAUS · Sat May 15, 2021 2:44 am

UAX Update:

E145XR:
N12201 ferried ALB for entry with CommutAir

CR2:
N943SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N969SW entered ROW for paint

CR5:
N501MJ entered AMA for paint

UAinAUS · Sat May 15, 2021 3:08 am

jayunited wrote:
Question about a United 787 order from 2020.

In a May 2020 SEC Q-10 filing United revealed that back in February of 2020 the company exercised options for seven additional 787s. Once this information became public it was reported at the time United had ordered seven more 78Xs. In subsequent SEC Q-10 filings there has been no further mention of this order and on Boeing's website they are showing an order in February of 2020 for seven 787-10s with GE engines but it is listed under the unidentified order column and not under the United Airlines column.

My question is what happened to this order? Under the United order on Boeing's website I can only see one 787-10 for future delivery, and the information I'm seeing internally doesn't really provide any real clarity. I can't find any (what I would consider) concrete information on those additional 787s United disclosed in their May 2020 SEC filing.

Boeing has line numbers for at least 6 United 78Xs with the last 2 likely to be added to the list soon.
1114, 1131, 1132, 1134, 1136, 1138.
1114 is the last from the original order of 14. 1131 is the first of the new order of 7. I’d assume they just haven’t updated the Orders&Deliveries website.

Golfmikey · Sat May 15, 2021 3:45 am

did anyone notice they changed the seat map on the non polaris 763...no longer the orange empties...but blue like polaris and changed the design..not sure why...im still trying to find out what their plan is.

Opus99 · Sat May 15, 2021 6:17 am

UAinAUS wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Question about a United 787 order from 2020.

In a May 2020 SEC Q-10 filing United revealed that back in February of 2020 the company exercised options for seven additional 787s. Once this information became public it was reported at the time United had ordered seven more 78Xs. In subsequent SEC Q-10 filings there has been no further mention of this order and on Boeing's website they are showing an order in February of 2020 for seven 787-10s with GE engines but it is listed under the unidentified order column and not under the United Airlines column.

My question is what happened to this order? Under the United order on Boeing's website I can only see one 787-10 for future delivery, and the information I'm seeing internally doesn't really provide any real clarity. I can't find any (what I would consider) concrete information on those additional 787s United disclosed in their May 2020 SEC filing.

Boeing has line numbers for at least 6 United 78Xs with the last 2 likely to be added to the list soon.
1114, 1131, 1132, 1134, 1136, 1138.
1114 is the last from the original order of 14. 1131 is the first of the new order of 7. I’d assume they just haven’t updated the Orders&Deliveries website.

https://twitter.com/byerussell/status/1 ... 94785?s=21

These were United commitments as at 1st March.

11 787s. Which I think is 3 787-9s and 8 787-10s (1 from the original order and the 7 new ones)

CALMSP · Sat May 15, 2021 1:57 pm

looks like some time in the last few days UA swapped ATH-EWR to a 772 as PE is now available. Good option as I was probably going to book through IAD. Some good added capacity for sure.

LHUSA · Sat May 15, 2021 2:28 pm

Per united.com, looks like EWR-DBV has been increased to 4-weekly (from 3) and now starting a week earlier on July 1.

atrude777 · Sat May 15, 2021 3:46 pm

Seems United is still tweaking the July Schedule...

My BNA-ORD got downgraded from A319 to E170 and the departure time moved back for quite a few hours.

May have to change my reservation again.

Check your reservations if you have a United Trip in July!

Alex

Nicknuzzii · Sat May 15, 2021 3:51 pm

atrude777 wrote:
Seems United is still tweaking the July Schedule...

My BNA-ORD got downgraded from A319 to E170 and the departure time moved back for quite a few hours.

May have to change my reservation again.

Check your reservations if you have a United Trip in July!

Alex

My CUN-EWR flight changed from 8pm to 6pm.

DUSZRH · Sat May 15, 2021 4:36 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
Pinto wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
With Germany's recent announcement about opening up to vaccinated travelers, do you think UA will reopen more flights/frequencies to MUC and FRA or leave those to Lufthansa?

Any link to this announcement?

Yes.https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/n ... 064394001/

It’s not the big news, as made out to be for EU/US travel. No quarantine for vaccinated people, however the restrictions on visas are still there. So unless you’re traveling with a EU passport/essential reasons, you’re still not allowed in.

PITFlyer330 · Sat May 15, 2021 5:08 pm

United began Accra last. They hope to go daily and add more IAD routes https://twitter.com/ByERussell/status/1 ... 86626?s=20

pilotfox · Sat May 15, 2021 5:27 pm

I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

jayunited · Sat May 15, 2021 5:41 pm

Two MAXs will reenter revenue service over the next few days.

N37522 will reenter revenue service on May 17th as UA2229 IAH-DEN

N37518 will reenter revenue service on May 18th as UA2607 ORD-IAH

For now the remainder of the effected MAXs are still grounded pending final repairs.

C777ER · Sat May 15, 2021 6:09 pm

Will the 764s get repainted???

adamblang · Sat May 15, 2021 7:25 pm

pilotfox wrote:
I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

That's exciting!

jplatts · Sat May 15, 2021 7:40 pm

adamblang wrote:
pilotfox wrote:
I noticed MKE-IAD starting 7/1 on ZW

That's exciting!

I was not surprised to see UA add MKE-IAD nonstop service with
(a) MKE being the biggest market in the Midwest that didn't have nonstop service from IAD prior to UA adding MKE-IAD nonstop service,
(b) the lack of nonstop competition that was there on MKE-WAS prior to UA adding MKE-IAD nonstop service with WN being the only airline serving MKE nonstop from WAS,
(c) there being some UA FF's in the WAS market who would avoid other airlines such as WN and AA whenever possible, and
(d) connecting opportunities available to smaller East Coast markets not served by WN and transatlantic flights to Europe and Africa at IAD on UA and its Star Alliance partners.

AC4500 · Sat May 15, 2021 7:54 pm

I'm surprised that they don't fly OMA-IAD yet.

jplatts · Sat May 15, 2021 8:06 pm

AC4500 wrote:
I'm surprised that they don't fly OMA-IAD yet.

MKE-WAS had stronger demand than OMA-WAS did, both prior to the COVID-19 pandemic and during the COVID-19 pandemic. MKE is also located in a bigger metro area than OMA.

There was also nonstop competition on OMA-WAS prior to the COVID-19 pandemic with both WN and DL serving OMA nonstop from DCA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, but DL has suspended OMA-DCA nonstop service through at least 11/1/2021.

cosyr · Sat May 15, 2021 8:55 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
Seems United is still tweaking the July Schedule...

My BNA-ORD got downgraded from A319 to E170 and the departure time moved back for quite a few hours.

May have to change my reservation again.

Check your reservations if you have a United Trip in July!

Alex

My CUN-EWR flight changed from 8pm to 6pm.

My CUN-EWR flight changed from 11am to 8 am. Trade with you? I don't want to end a vacation with an 8 am flight, but I have to drive 5 hours after we get back to EWR.

AC4500 · Sat May 15, 2021 11:21 pm

With the recent UA schedule update, ORD-PDX is now at 5x daily flights in July, which is greater than their pre-COVID capacity on that route. It's great to see positive signs of air travel demand coming back!

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