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LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
BA744PHX wrote:Congrats too DEN on landing Air France! When is the last time AF added a US destination?
BA744PHX wrote:Congrats too DEN on landing Air France! When is the last time AF added a US destination?
LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
Ishrion wrote:BA744PHX wrote:Congrats too DEN on landing Air France! When is the last time AF added a US destination?
Last added U.S. destination was DFW which (re)launched in March 2019 after AF left nearly two decades before. Currently set to not operate this season.
jhsusman wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if UA counters this with their own flights - they will have a ton of international gate capacity once the A concourse expansion is completed.
CALMSP wrote:jhsusman wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if UA counters this with their own flights - they will have a ton of international gate capacity once the A concourse expansion is completed.
agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw UA add a CDG/FCO/AMS for 2022.
BA744PHX wrote:Ishrion wrote:BA744PHX wrote:Congrats too DEN on landing Air France! When is the last time AF added a US destination?
Last added U.S. destination was DFW which (re)launched in March 2019 after AF left nearly two decades before. Currently set to not operate this season.
Ah I forgot about DFW, I remember SEA was announced for 2017.
I wonder if this may lead to a further US expansion at 3 weekly frequencies, they will now serve 14 cities on their own metal which is the smallest compared to BA & LH.
ATL, BOS, ORD, DEN, DFW, DTW, IAH, LAX, MIA, MSP, JFK, SFO, SEA, IAD
Varsity1 wrote:What kind of a mythical world are we devolving into?
Europeans can not enter America, Americans can not enter Europe, with no scheduled end in sight. We're approaching 1.5 years of "new normal." How many people will be on this flight?
BA744PHX wrote:CALMSP wrote:jhsusman wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if UA counters this with their own flights - they will have a ton of international gate capacity once the A concourse expansion is completed.
agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw UA add a CDG/FCO/AMS for 2022.
I would think either CDG or AMS, however FCO is a very difficult market and I doubt the numbers are there. Maybe limited summer seasonal at best.
BA744PHX wrote:Ishrion wrote:BA744PHX wrote:Congrats too DEN on landing Air France! When is the last time AF added a US destination?
Last added U.S. destination was DFW which (re)launched in March 2019 after AF left nearly two decades before. Currently set to not operate this season.
Ah I forgot about DFW, I remember SEA was announced for 2017.
I wonder if this may lead to a further US expansion at 3 weekly frequencies, they will now serve 14 cities on their own metal which is the smallest compared to BA & LH.
ATL, BOS, ORD, DEN, DFW, DTW, IAH, LAX, MIA, MSP, JFK, SFO, SEA, IAD
trexel94 wrote:What an awesome surprise! Certainly didn’t see this coming. Although to be fair, I would have thought if any Skyteam airline were to add DEN it would have been KL.
CALMSP wrote:jhsusman wrote:I wouldn’t be surprised if UA counters this with their own flights - they will have a ton of international gate capacity once the A concourse expansion is completed.
agreed, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw UA add a CDG/FCO/AMS for 2022.
MIflyer12 wrote:trexel94 wrote:What an awesome surprise! Certainly didn’t see this coming. Although to be fair, I would have thought if any Skyteam airline were to add DEN it would have been KL.
Why is that? France gets 2x the American travelers The Netherlands does.
LAX772LR wrote:Hopefully, this'll be the first of an interesting new N.Am expansion/resumption for them.... I mean, can we finally get an MSY-CDG up in here?!
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:DEN / Colorado does far more tourism in the summer months than in the winter for skiing. Skiing is a lot more niche than people realize, but skiers have a high propensity to travel and generally have a lot of discressionary income.
LAX772LR wrote:Hopefully, this'll be the first of an interesting new N.Am expansion/resumption for them.... I mean, can we finally get an MSY-CDG up in here?!
LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
BA744PHX wrote:Ishrion wrote:BA744PHX wrote:Congrats too DEN on landing Air France! When is the last time AF added a US destination?
Last added U.S. destination was DFW which (re)launched in March 2019 after AF left nearly two decades before. Currently set to not operate this season.
Ah I forgot about DFW, I remember SEA was announced for 2017.
I wonder if this may lead to a further US expansion at 3 weekly frequencies, they will now serve 14 cities on their own metal which is the smallest compared to BA & LH.
ATL, BOS, ORD, DEN, DFW, DTW, IAH, LAX, MIA, MSP, JFK, SFO, SEA, IAD
Naincompetent wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
That is a weird statement, please explain to me why Europeans would go to Denver for skiing?
onwFan wrote:BA744PHX wrote:Ishrion wrote:
Last added U.S. destination was DFW which (re)launched in March 2019 after AF left nearly two decades before. Currently set to not operate this season.
Ah I forgot about DFW, I remember SEA was announced for 2017.
I wonder if this may lead to a further US expansion at 3 weekly frequencies, they will now serve 14 cities on their own metal which is the smallest compared to BA & LH.
ATL, BOS, ORD, DEN, DFW, DTW, IAH, LAX, MIA, MSP, JFK, SFO, SEA, IAD
CDG-DFW and CDG-SEA have not flown in two years. Given that they are launching CDG-DEN but have no plans to resume CDG-DFW/SEA, I think they are gone for the near future...
Naincompetent wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
That is a weird statement, please explain to me why Europeans would go to Denver for skiing?
airbazar wrote:Naincompetent wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
That is a weird statement, please explain to me why Europeans would go to Denver for skiing?
This is like asking why someone on the East Coast would ever go to Hawaii when the Caribbean is much closer
The reality is many Europeans already take ski trips to the Rockies. Colorado and Utah are very different than anything you have in Europe. Not better or worse, just different. Although as a skier the quality of the snow in the rockies is hard to beat. The high altitude makes for drier, fluffier snow. The term champagne snow exists for a reason and you can't find it in Europe.
But it's moot point 'cause this is a Summer route
LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
Judge1310 wrote:But why come to the Rockies to hike when the gorgeous Alps are right there?
onwFan wrote:CDG-DFW and CDG-SEA have not flown in two years. Given that they are launching CDG-DEN but have no plans to resume CDG-DFW/SEA, I think they are gone for the near future...
Naincompetent wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
That is a weird statement, please explain to me why Europeans would go to Denver for skiing?
Naincompetent wrote:LCDFlight wrote:Denver's remarkable rise continues.
Ski trips for Europeans, plus, Denver itself has big money like never before. Similar to Austin. Burgeoning ultra affluent segment.
That is a weird statement, please explain to me why Europeans would go to Denver for skiing?