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Where is the year going?
 
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Fri Apr 30, 2021 9:47 pm

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Where is the year going?

No further than New Zealand, it seems.
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Sat May 01, 2021 12:48 am

tullamarine wrote:
redroo wrote:
Where is the year going?

No further than New Zealand, it seems.


And perhaps Singapore, and Japan later on IF we're lucky. Unlikely though.......
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 2:03 am

Why not China
According to their media, they have minimal new infections, of which most are overseas acquired
If you can believe their media.....
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 2:17 am

melpax wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
redroo wrote:
Where is the year going?

No further than New Zealand, it seems.


And perhaps Singapore, and Japan later on IF we're lucky. Unlikely though.......


Honestly, Japan is doing a pretty bad job with regulating the virus. With 5000+ cases reported daily, a still growing fourth wave and third State of Emergency (if you can call it that), I really doubt (and hope) Australia doesn't set up a travel bubble with Japan.

Singapore and Hong Kong will be commencing their travel bubble this month. That means that if Australia and Singapore open up to each other, all four destinations will be in a kind of travel bubble together, whether directly or not.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:06 am

Taiwan seems to be the forgotten champion of COVID. I would rate it as a bubble even before Singapore. I hope we're not ignoring that opportunity to avoid offending the delicate sensitibilities of the Chinese.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:29 am

Deano969 wrote:
Why not China
According to their media, they have minimal new infections, of which most are overseas acquired
If you can believe their media.....


If anyone was going to start an bubble with China it would be New Zealand, not Australia. The laters relationship with China isn’t currently the best...

Then it would be the burst of the Tasman bubble?
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:32 am

Deano969 wrote:
Why not China
According to their media, they have minimal new infections, of which most are overseas acquired
If you can believe their media.....


Remember China is a country that locks down and tests a whole city when there is an outbreak. The fact that there is no lock down, face masks are no longer mandatory, and large gatherings are everywhere means there their number is absolutely believable.

China makes enourmous economic sense. In 2019, nearly 155 million Chinese tourists travelled overseas. At the moment, none of them has been able to travel anywhere outside China for over a year. Just imagine what potential NZ could benefit from being the only country Chinese tourists can travel to.

Politically of course, this is difficult, which is why perhaps Singapore is the 2nd best thing. At the moment, Singapore allows travel from China without qurrantine, a one-way bubble of sorts. NZ and Aus can use it as a hub to bring all the international students back to cirvumvent the political tension.
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Sat May 01, 2021 3:34 am

zkncj wrote:
Deano969 wrote:
Why not China
According to their media, they have minimal new infections, of which most are overseas acquired
If you can believe their media.....


If anyone was going to start an bubble with China it would be New Zealand, not Australia. The laters relationship with China isn’t currently the best...

Then it would be the burst of the Tasman bubble?


Not necesarily. Australia could still impose the 14 day rule to ban anyone from travelling to Australia from China unless they have spent at least 14 days in New Zealand, same as the Cook Islands.

Also Chinese citizens need a visa to travel to Australia so it's a lot easier to manage. All they need to do is stopping issuing visas. I don't think currently there are visas being issued anyway.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 5:53 am

I agree that Taiwan, China and potentially even Vietnam could be candidates for the bubble expansion. All my work colleagues based out of China have now been fully immunised and their restrictions are minimal.
Other important aspects would be that the international travelers have local contact details (roaming or a pre-paid SIM) and are made aware of local procedures (not that most Australians follow them anyway).
This would be really important for education and tourism sectors to slowly start recovering. I don't think tensions with China at the government level affected everyday peoples' relationships to the same extent in the past and I don't think it will do today.
 
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Sat May 01, 2021 7:45 am

Citizen to citizen contacts with Australians and Chinese are most likely unaffected and will most likely remain unaffected by the current political tensions between the two countries. A lot of it would be family and friends and things would have to get pretty diabolical for those types of relationships to breakdown.

But, that's not where policy decisions are made and in the current political climate I would doubt that there could even be a decision to even discuss such a travel bubble, never mind actually getting to any sort of potential agreement. Too many Australian industries are suffering from the introduction of childish tariffs and the like from what can only be called a spiteful Chinese regime being called out for an independent investigation into covid.
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 4:02 am

I think beyond the obvious candidates like Singapore and Hong Kong, as long as they can clamp down on these recent little outbreaks of course, Taiwan would be a top choice for a bubble, in fact it's not somewhere that most Australians visit except for work but it's really nice, especially when you get out of Taipei, so I could see it actually soaking up a lot of demand for travel to 'Asia' and for something new and different, and Qantas has already said it would fly to Taipei if a bubble was declared.

Japan Is another one often talked about but there's no way this will open up to outsiders before the Olympics if they still go ahead that is, and we'll have to wait and see what happens after the Olympics as this could still spark a new domestic COVID wave.

South Korea is supposed to be handling COVID pretty well so that could also be a bubble destination for Australia around the same timeframe as Taiwan.
 
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Sun May 02, 2021 6:17 am

Realistically it is hard to see anything more than SIN being added this side of Christmas. All AU governments, both state and federal, have shown themselves to be incredibly cautious and they have been rewarded electorally for their caution. No one is going to risk crapping in their nest by opening up and having an outbreak. Even SIN is problematic given Singapore wants to open to lots of places which means we inherit the best and worst of their bubbles. I can see SIN happening but probably with the requirement that all travellers are vaccinated and the Singapore customs agree to enforce that 'green' flights to AU are only for AU and SG citizens who have only been in SG or AU in the previous 14 days. They may also enforce rapid tests prior to departure.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 8:29 am

I agree that Taiwan is probably a safe travel option for health reasons, but politically it would be quite poisonous. With the poor state of relations between Australia and the PRC, any move that sidelines it in favour of Taiwan would be taken as an insult against China. And also potentially viewed as a recognition of Taiwan as a separate country; more fuel for their government owned media.

I think the best bets at this stage would be Singapore followed up by several of the South Pacific island nations. When the possibility of Hong Kong becomes available, adding it as well as Taiwan would be a safer political move.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Sun May 02, 2021 9:43 am

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
I agree that Taiwan is probably a safe travel option for health reasons, but politically it would be quite poisonous. With the poor state of relations between Australia and the PRC, any move that sidelines it in favour of Taiwan would be taken as an insult against China. And also potentially viewed as a recognition of Taiwan as a separate country; more fuel for their government owned media.

I think the best bets at this stage would be Singapore followed up by several of the South Pacific island nations. When the possibility of Hong Kong becomes available, adding it as well as Taiwan would be a safer political move.


I agree with your sentiments in that it couldn't be Taiwan by itself.
I'm wondering if not all of China was added, it could be selected regions within China - I'll pick a random example of Hainan.
My logic for this is that China already allows travel for x number of days for selected regions without a visa, usually for transit purposes, so just an idea of an alternative version of that.
It would of course involve Australia and China talking meaningfully - so probably file it under not happening.
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 12:28 am

Rex have just announced $39 fares between MEL-SYD

https://www.rex.com.au/specials/SpecialFares2.aspx
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Mon May 03, 2021 12:53 am

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Rex have just announced $39 fares between MEL-SYD

https://www.rex.com.au/specials/SpecialFares2.aspx

Looks like they’re getting desperate for bums on seats. This will go one of two ways, the low fares will give enough pax the exposure of rexs product that hopefully means they choose it again when prices go up to level they can make money off. Or Rex will flounder, only able to get decent loads whilst undercutting everyone else. Good luck to them - but with uninspiring brand, hand me down planes still full of their competitors product, lack of any sort of advertising or brand awareness campaigns beyond low fare sales, and a chairman throwing petty public tantrums - something is going to have to change for this experiment to bear fruit.
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Mon May 03, 2021 1:42 am

Alliance E90 to operate following routes for Qantas

ADL-OOL 4-7 weekly from 25 June 21
DRW-CBR, 10 weekly from 21 June 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 65508?s=21
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LATAM to operate one-off SCL-BNE-AKL-SCL on 12 May 21

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VA now matching the $39 fares Rex are offering
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Alliance E90 to operate following routes for Qantas

ADL-OOL 4-7 weekly from 25 June 21
DRW-CBR, 10 weekly from 21 June 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 65508?s=21


It’s been a decade (?) since QF last operated DRW-CBR, and to start with 10 weekly frequency sounds like a lot even if they only have 90-odd seats to fill.
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Mon May 03, 2021 3:25 am

VH-YFP one of the VA 738s that is being brought back on board after getting returned to the lessor last year is to be reregistered as VH-YQR.
Searching the CASA aircraft register shows nothing else has taken the YFP designation since the aircraft was cancelled. The old DJ de registered and later re registered them under the same designation when moving aircraft between the Aus and NZ register for Pacific Blue. What reason would they not just give the plane the same registration it carried until last September that is likely to be still painted on the fuselage? Starting a whole new set of designations out of any logical sequence seems pretty pointless if it wasn’t necessary. Similarly YFN which recently returned has been reregistered as YQM.
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Mon May 03, 2021 3:42 am

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VA now matching the $39 fares Rex are offering


Just goes to show how hard VA will work to keep its position. Rex seemed to just think it could come in and take the market but it doesn’t seem to be playing out that way.

A price war will only go so far, as we all know there’s a limit to how long each party can sustain it. VA is likely better positioned though as it has a larger network to draw from, whereas Rex is limited to a few jet routes and its regional network, which is also being squeezed by QF Link.
 
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Do we have anecdotal figures of ZL's load factors on its jet services as yet?
 
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Do we have anecdotal figures of ZL's load factors on its jet services as yet?


I flew them on SYD-MEL a couple of weeks back, my flight was close to full.
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 5:21 am

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Do we have anecdotal figures of ZL's load factors on its jet services as yet?


Quite a few TR's - both on here and YouTube seem to indicate flights are fairly full.

I also saw an ADL-MEL redeye board the other week and it looked like a comparable load to QF/VA
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Obzerva wrote:
Do we have anecdotal figures of ZL's load factors on its jet services as yet?


Quite a few TR's - both on here and YouTube seem to indicate flights are fairly full.

I also saw an ADL-MEL redeye board the other week and it looked like a comparable load to QF/VA

As we all know full flights do not equate to profits. These full flights could’ve been low paying fares?


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Mon May 03, 2021 6:03 am

It may be good to get great/near full loads, the question would have to be the yields with those loads.

Filling up the plane with $39 bargain fares is bound to be extremely low yielding money loser. Which in that case, you may as well throw cash into a bonfire which is easier.
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 6:37 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Alliance E90 to operate following routes for Qantas

ADL-OOL 4-7 weekly from 25 June 21
DRW-CBR, 10 weekly from 21 June 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 65508?s=21


It’s been a decade (?) since QF last operated DRW-CBR, and to start with 10 weekly frequency sounds like a lot even if they only have 90-odd seats to fill.

Darwin tends to have great yields across winter so I assume they will be making money whilst they can. I'd expect the 10 per week to change to something between 0 and 3 per week once the wet season arrives.
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Mon May 03, 2021 8:35 am

Why is it that so many on here want REX to fail?
More players in a market brings competition and lower prices
Look at Impulse and Virgin Blue, their start ups in one way or another saw the birth of Jetstar
Without REX we are back to 2 airlines again
QF and VA price fixing and agreeing on route capacity and Jetstar as a token LCC, note that Jetstars fleet has shrunk over time and since post Covid travel has returned, QF has been expanding into JQ dominated routes
JQ frames have been heading to Western Australia under Qantas Link with 717s heading east to fly RPT routes
JQ is nothing more than a token tool that Qantas uses to stave off any new entrant into the Australian domestic market
Some on here believe the propaganda and post accordingly
Low loads, and when loads are reported as decent the posts read, well they are only $39 fares....

From trip reports I have seen, REX seems to offer a decent product at a competitive, especially their business class

Perhaps they are still looking for their identity, be it LCC, legacy or somewhere in the middle
From what I understand they seem to be pitching at full service at lower fares and without the bull crap add on's

I feel their only shortcoming is frequency on routes, understandable though for the Jet start up

And before anyone says that Australia isn't big enough to include REX with 30 odd frames, I disagree as there are plenty of examples around the world where 3 or more airlines are sharing a route with one daily flight each

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Mon May 03, 2021 9:10 am

IndianicWorld wrote:

A price war will only go so far, as we all know there’s a limit to how long each party can sustain it. .


It comes to who has the deepest pockets to absorb the inevitable losses, out of QF Group/VA/Rex, Rex comes out last in that metric.

Deano969 wrote:
Why is it that so many on here want REX to fail?


I don't think people here are hoping Rex fail, I can't actually recall anyone openly saying "I hope Rex fails".

A lot of posters (myself included) are simply of the opinion that will eventually fail, that doesn't mean I am praying for their demise.
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Mon May 03, 2021 11:32 am

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Why not China
According to their media, they have minimal new infections, of which most are overseas acquired
If you can believe their media.....


Yeah coming from a Country that says "nothing to see here" and trying to convince the world "it did not happen"

What about Fiji, how are they going and dio you think we will be able to get there soon, I am soooooo wanting to get back there.
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 12:26 pm

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Alliance E90 to operate following routes for Qantas

ADL-OOL 4-7 weekly from 25 June 21
DRW-CBR, 10 weekly from 21 June 21

https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/stat ... 65508?s=21

Any idea on when these flights might go on sale?
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 3:03 pm

Deano969 wrote:
Why is it that so many on here want REX to fail?
More players in a market brings competition and lower prices
Look at Impulse and Virgin Blue, their start ups in one way or another saw the birth of Jetstar
Without REX we are back to 2 airlines again
QF and VA price fixing and agreeing on route capacity and Jetstar as a token LCC, note that Jetstars fleet has shrunk over time and since post Covid travel has returned, QF has been expanding into JQ dominated routes
JQ frames have been heading to Western Australia under Qantas Link with 717s heading east to fly RPT routes
JQ is nothing more than a token tool that Qantas uses to stave off any new entrant into the Australian domestic market
Some on here believe the propaganda and post accordingly
Low loads, and when loads are reported as decent the posts read, well they are only $39 fares....

From trip reports I have seen, REX seems to offer a decent product at a competitive, especially their business class

Perhaps they are still looking for their identity, be it LCC, legacy or somewhere in the middle
From what I understand they seem to be pitching at full service at lower fares and without the bull crap add on's

I feel their only shortcoming is frequency on routes, understandable though for the Jet start up

And before anyone says that Australia isn't big enough to include REX with 30 odd frames, I disagree as there are plenty of examples around the world where 3 or more airlines are sharing a route with one daily flight each

Best of luck REX


Your post makes no sense.

What the f is a token LCC?

Where’s the price fixing? Please provide examples other than Strong’s crying to the ACCC. Just because you’re a new entrant does not mean the established carriers have to bend over and take it.

What does Jetstar’s fleet decisions have to do with Rex. QF were making these adjustments way before the pandemic started. The 717s were also originally in JQ colours.

Jetstar’s fleet is also old and is being replaced by new aircraft. When’s Rex going to replace the Saab’s that are about to fall out of the sky at any moment.

Competition is great for consumers. It would be great if Rex also remembers that when other airlines launch regional routes.

Rex should spend more time promoting the fact they fly between capital cities and having their own identity than stressing about another companies balance sheets and accusing other airlines of counting their passengers.

“Plenty of examples around the world where 3 or more airlines are sharing a route with one daily flight each.” People are talking about an entire industry of major players, not a single route.
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Mon May 03, 2021 7:18 pm

Might sound far-fetched but would anyone see the AUS borders open up with Canada by December?
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Mon May 03, 2021 7:33 pm

346fetish wrote:
Might sound far-fetched but would anyone see the AUS borders open up with Canada by December?


Have you seen the current state of Covid-19 in Canada ? At the moment I would put them as even less of a candidate than the U.S. for an open border.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 10:49 pm

QF also dropping SYD-MEL to $79 which is the lowest I’ve seen them in a while.
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 11:08 pm

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Might sound far-fetched but would anyone see the AUS borders open up with Canada by December?


It does sound far fetched, and would depend entirely on a massive ramp-up of vaccination in both our countries.

My family in the US want to catch up with us IRL, but even they don't appear to understand just how low the current risk appetite is in Covid-free Australia. I predict that we will open up progressively to other low-infection countries, with then a high vaccination rate step-change to the rest of the world (with a lot of political pain at the same time).
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Mon May 03, 2021 11:34 pm

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VH-YFP one of the VA 738s that is being brought back on board after getting returned to the lessor last year is to be reregistered as VH-YQR.
Searching the CASA aircraft register shows nothing else has taken the YFP designation since the aircraft was cancelled. The old DJ de registered and later re registered them under the same designation when moving aircraft between the Aus and NZ register for Pacific Blue. What reason would they not just give the plane the same registration it carried until last September that is likely to be still painted on the fuselage? Starting a whole new set of designations out of any logical sequence seems pretty pointless if it wasn’t necessary. Similarly YFN which recently returned has been reregistered as YQM.

VH-YFN is no longer available on the register so I believe VA are re-registering them as YQ* to keep them in sequence (there's only nine aircraft in Australia with a YQ* registration, including some QF Link 717's).
 
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Do we have anecdotal figures of ZL's load factors on its jet services as yet?


Flew with ZL from MEL to ADL last week, probably 85% full
 
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Mon May 03, 2021 11:52 pm

Deano969 wrote:
Why is it that so many on here want REX to fail?
More players in a market brings competition and lower prices
Look at Impulse and Virgin Blue, their start ups in one way or another saw the birth of Jetstar
Without REX we are back to 2 airlines again
QF and VA price fixing and agreeing on route capacity and Jetstar as a token LCC, note that Jetstars fleet has shrunk over time and since post Covid travel has returned, QF has been expanding into JQ dominated routes
JQ frames have been heading to Western Australia under Qantas Link with 717s heading east to fly RPT routes
JQ is nothing more than a token tool that Qantas uses to stave off any new entrant into the Australian domestic market
Some on here believe the propaganda and post accordingly
Low loads, and when loads are reported as decent the posts read, well they are only $39 fares....

From trip reports I have seen, REX seems to offer a decent product at a competitive, especially their business class

Perhaps they are still looking for their identity, be it LCC, legacy or somewhere in the middle
From what I understand they seem to be pitching at full service at lower fares and without the bull crap add on's

I feel their only shortcoming is frequency on routes, understandable though for the Jet start up

And before anyone says that Australia isn't big enough to include REX with 30 odd frames, I disagree as there are plenty of examples around the world where 3 or more airlines are sharing a route with one daily flight each

Best of luck REX


With respect this post makes absolutely no sense. Firstly no one actually wants REX to fail, I mean come on! its peoples jobs at risk here so no one want them to fail. The only thing that will put REX out of business is their own management and their childish tantrum throwing chairman. Publicly attacking your biggest competitor with false accusations will do nothing to help your cause, it will only provoke them to compete more aggressively within the rules set out by the ACCC (which btw is completely fair and legal aka being in business) or result in a lawsuit! As for your other comments, again you make no sense so I won't bother. Best of luck to Rex, Virgin, Jetstar and Qantas!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Mon May 03, 2021 11:56 pm

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Might sound far-fetched but would anyone see the AUS borders open up with Canada by December?


With Canada seeming to keep its US border closed and being a bit vigilant about International travel generally, yes, I'd like to think that as Australia re-opens on a 'country by country' basis, Canada would be higher up the list than many other countries, especially once most Australians are vaccinated they might be willing to let in travellers who've had the jab.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 12:03 am

a36001 wrote:
With respect this post makes absolutely no sense. Firstly no one actually wants REX to fail, I mean come on! its peoples jobs at risk here so no one want them to fail. The only thing that will put REX out of business is their own management and their childish tantrum throwing chairman. Publicly attacking your biggest competitor with false accusations will do nothing to help your cause, it will only provoke them to compete more aggressively within the rules set out by the ACCC (which btw is completely fair and legal aka being in business) or result in a lawsuit!


I agree, I certainly don't want Rex to fail. I want it to succeed in being a third (fourth?) player in the intercity jet market, although it's increasingly hard to see how Rex can succeed because it's being squeezed between JQ and VA, and VA for the same price or even a bit higher is a much more appealing proposition due to it having a frequent flyer scheme plus more lounges and much better ones than Rex.

I actually worry a bit that Virgin's recovery to being a profitable mid-market airline instead of chasing Qantas' shadow is being set back by Rex nipping at its heels with these increasingly low fares.

Anyway, the point I wanted to make was that I don't want to see Rex fail, but if it DOES fail at this intercity jet push then I want to see the whole top layer of management turfed out on their ears, beginning with John Sharp. Every top level person at exec and board level who signed off on this should pay the penalty for a bad business decision, and in respect that's what all this seems to be.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 12:29 am

In defence of poor old Deano who everybody has got stuck into, he is right that from the day the Rex jet plan was announced there have been plenty of posters here ridiculing the aircraft, the website, the food, the schedules, the uniforms and everything else. Many seem to want to be the first to say "I told you so".

The Chairman carrying on like a two bob watch doesn't enamour him to anybody of course and no doubt brings all this hostility down upon himself.
 
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Tue May 04, 2021 1:54 am

Aviator34ID wrote:
In defence of poor old Deano who everybody has got stuck into, he is right that from the day the Rex jet plan was announced there have been plenty of posters here ridiculing the aircraft, the website, the food, the schedules, the uniforms and everything else. Many seem to want to be the first to say "I told you so".

The Chairman carrying on like a two bob watch doesn't enamour him to anybody of course and no doubt brings all this hostility down upon himself.


People are just as critical of QF, JQ and VA on here. I think people are just perplexed as to what Rex is doing and trying to achieve. Their website, identity, everything about it just seems tired. The lack of marketing says it all. There’s nothing exciting or wow factor. It makes me thing Rex is arrogant and people would be willing to welcome them with open arms.

At least when VA and Impulse came out of the blocks at least they had an identity. Strong seems to be trying to do what SRB does with kicking QF through the media, but doing a terrible job at it.

But in reference to Deanos post, he just states random information and facts as genuine reasons why Rex is great and how QF can’t be trusted. “Token LCC”. What is that?
I'm that bad type.
 
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Tue May 04, 2021 2:44 am

Looks like VH-VZB is returning from a test flight - it's been parked at the east of the jet base for over a year!

Look like the full QF 737 fleet will be back in service soon.
S340/J31/146-300/F27/F50/Nord 262/Q100/200/E195/733/734/738/744/762/763/77W/788/789/320/321/332/333/345/359
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 3:05 am

Ok so a token LCC is one that is started by a legacy carrier to stop a new entrant starting up
Virgin Blue and Impulse (preceded by Compass and East West) kicked off
East West gobbled up by Ansett
Compass 1 + 2 were competed with heavily by AN and QF and failed
Impulse, bought out by QF and morphed the fleet into Jetstar
VB had an inside run when Ansett failed

QF finally realized that LCCs were going to be their greatest threat, Impulse were there for the taking, so rather than compete on price with QF, better to buy them out and start their own LCC, Jetstar, thus warding off and new potential LCC start ups
Jetstars small fleet was mainly on the holiday market, but never really competed with QF and had minimal opps on the triangle
Fast forward to post Covid and JQ started to move their birds to the FIFO market in WA and shrunk their fleet, releasing 717s to the east coast so QF could grow their fleet and move into JQ dominated markets MCY, OOL, NTL ect...
All while deferring NEO replacements for JQ
In a nutshell, aside from REX, no other likely LCC entrants into the Oz market for the foreseeable future, so wind back JQ a bit and move more assets into a leaner QF
A true LCC would be grabbing as much market share as possible
A true LCC would have lower fares than JQ
A true LCC would have a much larger share of the triangle

QF created JQ because they had to and will use it when needed
During the recovery JQ will shrink in frames, while QF will expand, as they both already have
JQ will only expand again when a new threat is on the horizon

Pre Covid
After a capacity war between QF and VA, there was some agreement that was well published, that the capacity war was over and both would be slightly cutting capacity by 2 or 3 percent to maintain margins PRICE FIXING!!!
This can be easily done with a duopoly, much harder when there is a third player....

Fleet ages
737s
QF 14.4 years
VA 9.7 years
ZL 14.1 years

Overall
QF 13.2 years
VA 9.7 years
ZL 24.6 years
QQ 26.6 years
ZL SAABs 26.1 years
Dash-8s 14.7 years
QQ has and older fleet than ZL lol

Jumping into routes
Putting 6 737s into the SYD - MLB or a couple of flights to OOL or ADL is not the same as
Orange adding 100 seats per day into a 100 seat market
Merimbula adding 70 daily seats to a 100 seat market to Sydney and Melbourne
Kangaroo Island adding 70 daily seats into a 50 seat market

Others post that REX can't compete where there is competition, only on subsidised routes
How about Wagga, Albury, Dubbo, Armidale etc... All have been served by ZL and QF for years...
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 4:30 am

Deano969 wrote:
Others post that REX can't compete where there is competition, only on subsidised routes
How about Wagga, Albury, Dubbo, Armidale etc... All have been served by ZL and QF for years...

Those routes show that competition doesn't mean low fares, and they're also not truly competitive. I try to visit family in the Wagga area at least once a year and find a BNE-WGA flight for less than $600 is extremely rare. And that's on QF because QF can get me from BNE to WGA. Rex can only get me from SYD or MEL to WGA (or any of those other destinations).
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - May 2021

Tue May 04, 2021 5:31 am

Deano969 wrote:

QF finally realized that LCCs were going to be their greatest threat, Impulse were there for the taking, so rather than compete on price with QF, better to buy them out and start their own LCC, Jetstar, thus warding off and new potential LCC start ups
Jetstars small fleet was mainly on the holiday market, but never really competed with QF and had minimal opps on the triangle
Fast forward to post Covid and JQ started to move their birds to the FIFO market in WA and shrunk their fleet, releasing 717s to the east coast so QF could grow their fleet and move into JQ dominated markets MCY, OOL, NTL ect...
All while deferring NEO replacements for JQ
In a nutshell, aside from REX, no other likely LCC entrants into the Oz market for the foreseeable future, so wind back JQ a bit and move more assets into a leaner QF
A true LCC would be grabbing as much market share as possible
A true LCC would have lower fares than JQ
A true LCC would have a much larger share of the triangle

QF created JQ because they had to and will use it when needed
During the recovery JQ will shrink in frames, while QF will expand, as they both already have
JQ will only expand again when a new threat is on the horizon



Even though JQ have deferred their NEO deliveries and moving their older A320 frames over to the west coast to operate FIFO on behalf of Network let’s not forget younger frames are transferring over from JJP.

Also worth mentioning that JQ are resuming B787 services from June on key domestic routes to meet demand.


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