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The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Sun May 02, 2021 5:09 pm

I saw some other online discussions regarding the fate of the last MD80 ever produced - N984TW "the Spirit of Long Beach", an MD83 delivered to TWA in Dec of 1999, then transferred to AA in Dec of 2001. She's currently sitting in ROW, apparently still in airworthy condition, as another user on this forum "RyanFlyer" claims that approximately 30 of AA's newest MD80s are being kept in a stored state as the scrapping company is prioritizing the destruction of older airframes first. Now, the MD80 is an iconic aircraft, especially with its T-Tail design, but it isn't necessarily a "revolutionary" aircraft in any way, like the L1011, B737 or its predecessor, the DC9. There was some speculation that a museum would acquire the airframe, and put it on display.. but as time goes by, and her scrapping becomes inevitably closer, I was curious as to whether anyone here had any information on any attempt to save the airframe before its too late? Are any cargo MD80 operators still pursuing newer airframes?

Thank you for any and all input.
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Mon May 03, 2021 9:39 am

That's an interesting question!

I was wondering about the same thing: Does "kept in a stored/airworthy state" mean, someone is expecting that these last-built MD-83s (or at least some of them) might return to active service? Or are some of them maybe already spoken for a new operator (cargo or passenger)? If not, it would be a shame to scrap N984TW just like any other former AA/TWA MD-80...

Also do I hope that the possible end of the road of the MD-80 and MD-90 in general is not the end of the road for the Boeing 717 yet: Apparently three start-up airlines are planning to use the type in the future: Ecuatoriana, Cal Jet, and Air Flo (there's a second source now available for the latter): https://uspto.report/TM/90341765

I mentioned this already a while back here: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1456627&p=22613531#p22613531

Any thoughts/information on this?

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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Wed May 05, 2021 12:42 am

While the Airline History Museum in Kansas City has their hands full with other acquisitions the addition of this MD 83 would be appropriate. I think a case could be made that initial deal on the MD 80 as well as subsequent frames helped with TWA making its way thru the mid/ late 80s and thru the 90’s.
Sort of a timely lifeline of sorts as the first frames allowed TW to retire the last 707s in late 1983 ( as I recall).
So maybe somehow , someone will rescue the last Douglas bird!
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Wed May 05, 2021 3:04 am

Tan Flyr wrote:
While the Airline History Museum in Kansas City has their hands full with other acquisitions the addition of this MD 83 would be appropriate. I think a case could be made that initial deal on the MD 80 as well as subsequent frames helped with TWA making its way thru the mid/ late 80s and thru the 90’s.
Sort of a timely lifeline of sorts as the first frames allowed TW to retire the last 707s in late 1983 ( as I recall).
So maybe somehow , someone will rescue the last Douglas bird!

Don't they already have TWs Wings of Pride?

Maybe Pima would be a good place for it?
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Wed May 05, 2021 4:01 am

TWA772LR wrote:
Don't they already have TWs Wings of Pride?



No, TriStar Experience has it.

http://www.tristarexperience.org/md83/
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Wed May 05, 2021 2:26 pm

1999 isn’t that old for an airplane, but those JT8D engines aren’t the most efficient of easy to maintain anymore
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Wed May 05, 2021 2:52 pm

Tan Flyr wrote:
While the Airline History Museum in Kansas City has their hands full with other acquisitions the addition of this MD 83 would be appropriate. I think a case could be made that initial deal on the MD 80 as well as subsequent frames helped with TWA making its way thru the mid/ late 80s and thru the 90’s.
Sort of a timely lifeline of sorts as the first frames allowed TW to retire the last 707s in late 1983 ( as I recall).
So maybe somehow , someone will rescue the last Douglas bird!


They still haven't taken the DC-8 here from ILN, and it has been several years since they were supposed to acquire that frame.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Wed May 05, 2021 3:31 pm

Tan Flyr wrote:
While the Airline History Museum in Kansas City has their hands full with other acquisitions the addition of this MD 83 would be appropriate. I think a case could be made that initial deal on the MD 80 as well as subsequent frames helped with TWA making its way thru the mid/ late 80s and thru the 90’s.
Sort of a timely lifeline of sorts as the first frames allowed TW to retire the last 707s in late 1983 ( as I recall).
So maybe somehow , someone will rescue the last Douglas bird!


https://www.flatlandkc.org/news-issues/ ... -landlord/

This museum is currently in court fighting for its life right now, so there's no chance of them adding this airframe to its collection.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Wed May 05, 2021 8:29 pm

alberchico wrote:
Tan Flyr wrote:
While the Airline History Museum in Kansas City has their hands full with other acquisitions the addition of this MD 83 would be appropriate. I think a case could be made that initial deal on the MD 80 as well as subsequent frames helped with TWA making its way thru the mid/ late 80s and thru the 90’s.
Sort of a timely lifeline of sorts as the first frames allowed TW to retire the last 707s in late 1983 ( as I recall).
So maybe somehow , someone will rescue the last Douglas bird!


https://www.flatlandkc.org/news-issues/ ... -landlord/

This museum is currently in court fighting for its life right now, so there's no chance of them adding this airframe to its collection.


If there was a court hearing between the Devil himself and Signature Flight Support, I'd GoFundMe Satan.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Fri May 07, 2021 2:12 pm

Based on how things are going right now the chances of the airframe being saved don't seem all that high. With museums being closed because of covid it strips them of the cash that they would need to buy and restore 984TW. If I had to take a guess over the airframe's destiny I'd say that the planetag company picks it up and sells pieces of it
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Fri May 07, 2021 3:19 pm

Question: what is the real significance of this frame? She's the last MD-80 Series, but the MD-80 was a derivative of the DC-9 and itself derived into the MD-90 and MD-95/717. The historical significance of the MD-80 Series is not really there.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Fri May 07, 2021 5:17 pm

Tan Flyr wrote:
While the Airline History Museum in Kansas City has their hands full with other acquisitions the addition of this MD 83 would be appropriate.


Of all the museums that might be interested in this plane, in my view the Airline History Museum would be the worst. It really isn't an airplane museum that most folks would expect. I visited in 2018 and really enjoyed it, but it's not what I was expecting. Yes, they have a Tristar, but it's sat outside, is not accessible and is in very poor condition. They have some fantastic planes including a Connie, Martin 404 and a very rare Northrop Delta, but they're not displayed, they're just jumbled together in a hangar. The museum has grand plans to fly all these planes but they seem to be desperately short of funding.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see all these flying again, but can't see it ever happening.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Fri May 07, 2021 5:31 pm

I with the AA museum near DFW had room for this. I think that no other aircraft type is as important to AA in the last 50 years (possibly the 727).
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Fri May 07, 2021 5:37 pm

Isn't there an AA M82 that is in reasonably good shape at a museum in Tulsa? Or am I making that up?
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:34 am

Still curious why this and others hasn’t gotten interest from cargo carriers yet. Some of DL’s have.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:40 am

The final MD airliner must be the last 717? The final Long Beach aircraft was the final C-17.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:12 am

UA444 wrote:
Still curious why this and others hasn’t gotten interest from cargo carriers yet. Some of DL’s have.


Because we have a feedstock of 737NGs and A321s.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:34 pm

seahawk wrote:
UA444 wrote:
Still curious why this and others hasn’t gotten interest from cargo carriers yet. Some of DL’s have.


Because we have a feedstock of 737NGs and A321s.

Except the ones I’m referring to are specific MD-80 operators buying MD-80s.
 
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Re: The Fate of N984TW (Last MD80 Produced)

Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:38 pm

Noshow wrote:
The final MD airliner must be the last 717? The final Long Beach aircraft was the final C-17.

Yes the final 717 is N939AT. That one truly is the end of an era and needs to be saved.

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