TLV halting operations?

hervebkk · Tue May 11, 2021 6:50 pm

Seems like a Cargo 747 and now a Ukrainian 737 are heading to LCA after holding over VETEK. As well as Fyl Dubai Flight 1627 turning around north of Jerusalem....

ABEguy · Tue May 11, 2021 6:58 pm

“Israel closes Tel Aviv airport after rocket fire from Gaza”

https://www.lowellsun.com/2021/05/11/is ... -gaza/amp/

asuflyer · Tue May 11, 2021 6:59 pm

Yes the airport is closed due to rocket attacks from Gaza that have hit places in Ashkelon. Quite a few rockets have gotten past the Iron Dome. The IDF has responded by hitting towers in Gaza and the PIJ has threatened to hit targets in Tel Aviv. The situation is extremely fluid at the moment.

hervebkk · Tue May 11, 2021 7:03 pm

ELY974 on the way over Jordan. Will be interesting to see if it diverts to AMM or to LCA... 200 Israelis in Amman.....
Same for FDB1627...

hervebkk · Tue May 11, 2021 7:16 pm

Seems Landings have restared. Air Moldova and Iberia on DIVLA approach to RWY 21 from the North

hervebkk · Tue May 11, 2021 7:34 pm

LH690 turnes around, seems to go back to FRA

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH690/27add041

Blerg · Tue May 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Someone at TLV took a video of the sky and you can see like firework above planes. No wonder airlines are refusing to land. UIA was circling for a while. After their disaster in IKA it's a good thing they turned around and landed in LCA.

a350lover · Tue May 11, 2021 8:34 pm

hervebkk wrote:
LH690 turnes around, seems to go back to FRA

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH690/27add041

Will they have enough fuel to complete fully back TLV-FRA now?

2eng2efficient · Tue May 11, 2021 8:43 pm

hervebkk wrote:
LH690 turnes around, seems to go back to FRA

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH690/27add041

They must have planned a fairly high amount of reserve fuel to be able to fly 75% of the distance to TLV, only to turn back and fly all the way back to FRA, plus enough to cover whatever contingency might occur on approach.

EDIT: Assuming they did plan extra reserve fuel given the situation, credit to LH dispatch for maintaining superb situational awareness!

Cubsrule · Tue May 11, 2021 8:54 pm

2eng2efficient wrote:
hervebkk wrote:
LH690 turnes around, seems to go back to FRA

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH690/27add041

They must have planned a fairly high amount of reserve fuel to be able to fly 75% of the distance to TLV, only to turn back and fly all the way back to FRA, plus enough to cover whatever contingency might occur on approach.

EDIT: Assuming they did plan extra reserve fuel given the situation, credit to LH dispatch for maintaining superb situational awareness!

They were near ADB (Izmir) when they turned around - call it 4,000km round trip to FRA. Assuming they loaded enough fuel, that's more than doable for a 321CEO, and it looks like this was actually an NEO.

asuflyer · Tue May 11, 2021 9:18 pm

A video on Twitter posted by an Israir pilot shows how close the rockets came to TLV

https://twitter.com/IsrairPilots/status ... 7296436233

aemoreira1981 · Tue May 11, 2021 9:22 pm

I have to wonder if CAI or ETM is an available alternate.

jfkdreamliner · Tue May 11, 2021 9:29 pm

Currently in the Delta Skyclub at JFK T4. They announced the cancellation of DL234 (JFK-TLV) about an hour ago, after it had already been delayed, it seems.

GalaxyFlyer · Tue May 11, 2021 9:45 pm

a350lover wrote:
hervebkk wrote:
LH690 turnes around, seems to go back to FRA

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH690/27add041

Will they have enough fuel to complete fully back TLV-FRA now?

I sure hope so, but many places to tech stop, so no worries.

IADFCO · Tue May 11, 2021 10:15 pm

Are there any alternate airports within Israel that could accommodate at least an A320 or a B737? For example, in an emergency, would commercial airliners be allowed to land at a military airport?

LAXintl · Tue May 11, 2021 10:25 pm

Airport operational. Last 30min bunch of departures including LY1, LY27, UA91, HM21, etc

hervebkk wrote:
200 Israelis in Amman.....

Every day, 100's of Israeli's travel via Amman airport, plus more visit Jordan.

IADFCO wrote:
Are there any alternate airports within Israel that could accommodate at least an A320 or a B737? For example, in an emergency, would commercial airliners be allowed to land at a military airport?

Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... _in_Israel

chunhimlai · Tue May 11, 2021 11:30 pm

Is there any updates about the offshore airport project
There is no news after feasibility study a few years ago?

Offshore airport next to Netanya face less chance from missile since it would be at least 20km further to the west bank and Gaza than TLV and it is out of the range of most missiles appeared

2eng2efficient · Tue May 11, 2021 11:51 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
2eng2efficient wrote:
hervebkk wrote:
LH690 turnes around, seems to go back to FRA

https://www.flightradar24.com/DLH690/27add041

They must have planned a fairly high amount of reserve fuel to be able to fly 75% of the distance to TLV, only to turn back and fly all the way back to FRA, plus enough to cover whatever contingency might occur on approach.

EDIT: Assuming they did plan extra reserve fuel given the situation, credit to LH dispatch for maintaining superb situational awareness!

They were near ADB (Izmir) when they turned around - call it 4,000km round trip to FRA. Assuming they loaded enough fuel, that's more than doable for a 321CEO, and it looks like this was actually an NEO.

Well I know it’s doable, but you don’t always fill an A/C tanks to the brim if you don’t need it. Hence my point. But you are correct, this was an NEO.

asuflyer · Wed May 12, 2021 12:36 am

The airport is now closed again and an inbound ET404 a 788 from ADD is now holding.

Sooner787 · Wed May 12, 2021 12:39 am

Well, , looks like one of UA's TLV flights is enroute from EWR...

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL84

maps4ltd · Wed May 12, 2021 1:49 am

asuflyer wrote:
The airport is now closed again and an inbound ET404 a 788 from ADD is now holding.

Held for 90 minutes, just landed.

entdoc · Wed May 12, 2021 3:06 am

Few minutes ago multiple rockets to areas surrounding TLV hoping to disrupt early AM ops

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holczakker · Wed May 12, 2021 7:19 am

LAXintl wrote:
Airport operational. Last 30min bunch of departures including LY1, LY27, UA91, HM21, etc

hervebkk wrote:
200 Israelis in Amman.....

Every day, 100's of Israeli's travel via Amman airport, plus more visit Jordan.

IADFCO wrote:
Are there any alternate airports within Israel that could accommodate at least an A320 or a B737? For example, in an emergency, would commercial airliners be allowed to land at a military airport?

Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... _in_Israel

Eilat closed, Sde Dov demolished, Haifa runway too short. It's down to Ramon (ETM) and Ovda (VDA) if the military would allow you (and that's a very big if...). They regularly screw the operation of scheduled flights as well with excercises and airspace/route closures. Commercial traffic is not a very high priority for the IAF.

entdoc · Wed May 12, 2021 8:32 am

ETH RIP

I suppose in a real pinch one could still land at VDA. Or one of the other air bases ie Nevatim (which is being pushed as another potential international field near BeerSheva)
Preference of course to local airlines (many of their pilots probably trained and flew from these bases during their military service)

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entdoc · Wed May 12, 2021 8:38 am

Took off from TLV 2 h ago. Departure 03. Flight to ETM. Flew north then very wide right u turn over Dead Sea to south.
Most landings 21 from north. Landfall over hadera or thereabouts

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aemoreira1981 · Wed May 12, 2021 8:52 am

IADFCO wrote:
Are there any alternate airports within Israel that could accommodate at least an A320 or a B737? For example, in an emergency, would commercial airliners be allowed to land at a military airport?

Normally, Ramon Airport (ETM) is the alternate if TLV is unavailable.

entdoc · Wed May 12, 2021 8:59 am

A few flights yesterday took LCA as alternate

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rbavfan · Wed May 12, 2021 12:04 pm

asuflyer wrote:
A video on Twitter posted by an Israir pilot shows how close the rockets came to TLV

https://twitter.com/IsrairPilots/status ... 7296436233

If you have ever saw rocket launches at night those could be very far away from the airport. nothing in the dark to help show any distance. Don't post to scare peeps.

Polot · Wed May 12, 2021 12:11 pm

If rockets are the reason for TLV closure then preference would be to divert away outside of Israel, and certainly not to an Israeli Air Force base.

asuflyer · Wed May 12, 2021 1:18 pm

rbavfan wrote:
asuflyer wrote:
A video on Twitter posted by an Israir pilot shows how close the rockets came to TLV

https://twitter.com/IsrairPilots/status ... 7296436233

If you have ever saw rocket launches at night those could be very far away from the airport. nothing in the dark to help show any distance. Don't post to scare peeps.

They were infact quite close to TLV. Rockets hit the areas of Rishon Letzion and Holon which are within 10 miles of Ben Gurion airport.

entdoc · Wed May 12, 2021 6:26 pm

And Yahud. Even closer. House destroyed family survived by being in safe room

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factsonly · Wed May 12, 2021 8:19 pm

Airlines are adjusting their TLV schedules, some cancel operations altogether, others avoid night time operations at TLV.

- May 13, KLM plans to operate a daylight return AMS-TLV on A332, instead of the regular scheduled nightime B739.

Anymore changes, anyone ?

maps4ltd · Wed May 12, 2021 9:52 pm

holczakker wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Airport operational. Last 30min bunch of departures including LY1, LY27, UA91, HM21, etc

hervebkk wrote:
200 Israelis in Amman.....

Every day, 100's of Israeli's travel via Amman airport, plus more visit Jordan.

IADFCO wrote:
Are there any alternate airports within Israel that could accommodate at least an A320 or a B737? For example, in an emergency, would commercial airliners be allowed to land at a military airport?

Yes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... _in_Israel

Eilat closed, Sde Dov demolished, Haifa runway too short. It's down to Ramon (ETM) and Ovda (VDA) if the military would allow you (and that's a very big if...). They regularly screw the operation of scheduled flights as well with excercises and airspace/route closures. Commercial traffic is not a very high priority for the IAF.

Kind of off topic, but does Haifa have commercial service anymore? Couldn't find any flights on Israir's website.

maps4ltd · Wed May 12, 2021 10:20 pm

More rockets just launched from Gaza. El Al 737-900 from Brussels holding.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ELY ... /EBBR/LLBG

hervebkk · Wed May 12, 2021 11:14 pm

Looks like the Brussels flight diverts to ETM.

A Turkish and an Aegean are holding over KONFO.

While writing this it looks like the Aegean gave up and is heading back home....

B717fan · Wed May 12, 2021 11:18 pm

Looks like TK810 from IST to TLV is headed back.

hervebkk · Wed May 12, 2021 11:21 pm

Now TK also gave up and heading North....
The LY332 from BRU landed safely in ETM.... this answers previous question about alternate in this chat

aemoreira1981 · Wed May 12, 2021 11:32 pm

Secondary question: how are cargo goods, including critical medical supplies, being moved out of Israel? (Teva and Perrigo’s Israeli division are major drug manufacturers there.)

Blerg · Thu May 13, 2021 5:09 am

I guess for foreign airlines that can't return home, safest is to use LCA as an alternative airport. I think some like UIA have already done so.

entdoc · Thu May 13, 2021 5:19 am

Per local news at 0744 local approximately TLV closed to landings. Diversions to ETM. Takeoffs continue (?that was what the news blurb said)

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Avgeek21 · Thu May 13, 2021 5:53 am

My company has cancelled flights arriving at night time and rescheduled to only do daytime arrivals into TLV. I was there yesterday and we had to rush to get our due to an active warning of imminent rocket attacks.

entdoc · Thu May 13, 2021 6:19 am

Lufthansa and Austrian cancel flights to TLV for (at least) 48 h

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Rubani294 · Thu May 13, 2021 7:42 am

entdoc wrote:
Lufthansa and Austrian cancel flights to TLV for (at least) 48 h

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SWISS has also cancelled all ZRH/TLV flights until 16May

Blerg · Thu May 13, 2021 7:45 am

Avgeek21 wrote:
My company has cancelled flights arriving at night time and rescheduled to only do daytime arrivals into TLV. I was there yesterday and we had to rush to get our due to an active warning of imminent rocket attacks.

And what company do you work for?

entdoc · Thu May 13, 2021 10:58 am

DL AA UA BA all bailed out till the weekend at least.

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entdoc · Thu May 13, 2021 11:40 am

And now hamas claims to have fired at ETM

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Scoots71 · Thu May 13, 2021 1:04 pm

entdoc wrote:
And now hamas claims to have fired at ETM

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The Hevel Eilot Regional Council confirmed that a rocket fired by the terrorist organization had fallen within its jurisdiction in an open area. The Hamas spokesperson said they were targeting the ETM airport.

maps4ltd · Thu May 13, 2021 5:10 pm

From an Instagram post by El Al in the morning (Israel time):

In accordance with the guidelines of the authorities, incoming flights to Israel on May 13th will land at Ramon Airport (and not at Ben Gurion Airport).

At Ramon Airport, passengers will go through passport control, take their baggage and will have a Covid-19 test.

Passengers will then be transferred by buses to the center of Israel, if they choose this option..

EL AL ground staff will be waiting to assist at Ramon Airport.

Please note, flights departing from Tel Aviv will operate from Ben Gurion Airport as planned.

Please note, flights LY026 and LY004 from New York (JFK) and Newark (EWR) will land at Ben Gurion Airport.

For information and updates please contact us at +972-3-9771111.

inkjet7 · Thu May 13, 2021 5:46 pm

factsonly wrote:
Airlines are adjusting their TLV schedules, some cancel operations altogether, others avoid night time operations at TLV.

- May 13, KLM plans to operate a daylight return AMS-TLV on A332, instead of the regular scheduled nightime B739.

Anymore changes, anyone ?

KLM flights on May 11 and 13 have been cancelled. KLM has halted TLV ops for the time being.

berari · Thu May 13, 2021 6:50 pm

I notice that ELM (Ramon Airport) is not visible from Google Maps, it's like it's been dusted over. It's a first I am coming across for a locale.

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