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SFOThinker wrote:No indication yet of which West Coast hub(s) will be used for the service. Seattle would have fewer connections than LAX, SAN, or Bay Area airports. Anyone have more information?
AC4500 wrote:I'm guessing Belize will be from LAX. Maybe 1x weekly from SEA, but I wouldn't be optimistic about that.
usflyer msp wrote:The only logical choice is LAX.
LAX has the second largest Belizean community in the US.
Midwestindy wrote:Alaska expects domestic travel to return to pre-COVID levels by the summer of 2022, which will require more aircraft across Air Group. To prime the airline for growth, Alaska is taking the following actions:
Adding 17 new Embraer 175 jets to the regional fleet in 2022 and 2023 – nine to be operated by Horizon Air and eight by SkyWest.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-release ... 90067.html
FLALEFTY wrote:Is the new (running) total of B737-MAX9's 64, or 77 as a result of this option conversion?
SFOThinker wrote:No indication yet of which West Coast hub(s) will be used for the service. Seattle would have fewer connections than LAX, SAN, or Bay Area airports. Anyone have more information?
tphuang wrote:The mainline pilots are not going to like this.
usflyer msp wrote:SFOThinker wrote:No indication yet of which West Coast hub(s) will be used for the service. Seattle would have fewer connections than LAX, SAN, or Bay Area airports. Anyone have more information?
The only logical choice is LAX.
LAX has the second largest Belizean community in the US.
SEA or SFO would make no sense.
Abeam79 wrote:Basically just replacing the retiring Airbuses. Barely a "growth" order, unless your Horizon/Skywest
tphuang wrote:The mainline pilots are not going to like this.
MaverickM11 wrote:AC4500 wrote:I'm guessing Belize will be from LAX. Maybe 1x weekly from SEA, but I wouldn't be optimistic about that.
BZE to really any AS hub would do just fine, at least seasonally.
Polot wrote:Abeam79 wrote:Basically just replacing the retiring Airbuses. Barely a "growth" order, unless your Horizon/Skywest
Prior to this order AS already had enough planes coming in to replace the retiring Airbuses. So it’s growth one way or another.
MIflyer12 wrote:tphuang wrote:The mainline pilots are not going to like this.
If AS were retiring mainline aircraft and not replacing them (instead of growing the fleet), AS pilots might have a reason to complain.
Entitlement is a cancer.
BoeingGuy wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:tphuang wrote:The mainline pilots are not going to like this.
If AS were retiring mainline aircraft and not replacing them (instead of growing the fleet), AS pilots might have a reason to complain.
Entitlement is a cancer.
I don’t get why the mainline pilots wouldn’t like it either. The E175s are mostly deployed in markets that can’t support a 737. Either those markets are flown with smaller airplanes, or they aren’t flown at all by AS. I don’t see how that affects mainline pilot employment.
32andBelow wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:
If AS were retiring mainline aircraft and not replacing them (instead of growing the fleet), AS pilots might have a reason to complain.
Entitlement is a cancer.
I don’t get why the mainline pilots wouldn’t like it either. The E175s are mostly deployed in markets that can’t support a 737. Either those markets are flown with smaller airplanes, or they aren’t flown at all by AS. I don’t see how that affects mainline pilot employment.
They did put them on ANCFAI and ANCSEA ANCPDX all replacing 737s
ericm2031 wrote:They also announced today they’ll be adding some lines of Airbus flying by bringing some A320s out of storage.
Also adding 3 seats to the -800s
BZE will be 5x weekly LAX, 2x weekly from SEA. Seasonal, potentially year round if it performs well.
BoeingGuy wrote:I hope they [AS] can start expanding flights from PAE with those new E175s instead of continuing to delay resuming many of them. UA is sitting on some unused PAE slots too after canceling PAE-SFO.
maverick4002 wrote:I just came back from Belize on Sunday. Nice place. United seems to have the market tied up from the US, so to speak. When I was leavign there were three United aircraft on the ground. Looks like the serve from Houston, Chicago, Denver, Newark and maybe LAX? Newark is seasonal I think, not sure about the others
SANFan wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:I hope they [AS] can start expanding flights from PAE with those new E175s instead of continuing to delay resuming many of them. UA is sitting on some unused PAE slots too after canceling PAE-SFO.
The delay in growing PAE is I'm sure not due to shortage of a/c, it's due to lack of traffic. Everett must be a primarily business oriented station; LAS and PHX were 2 routes, primarily leisure I'd bet, that continued operating throughout the COVID drops and I'm sure AS is anxious to get PAE back up to full strength as soon as the pax return. There were added flights on the advanced summer and fall skeds which have been, and continue to be, trimmed back as the traffic still isn't showing up.
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ericm2031 wrote:BZE will be 5x weekly LAX, 2x weekly from SEA. Seasonal, potentially year round if it performs well.
SANFan wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:I hope they [AS] can start expanding flights from PAE with those new E175s instead of continuing to delay resuming many of them. UA is sitting on some unused PAE slots too after canceling PAE-SFO.
The delay in growing PAE is I'm sure not due to shortage of a/c, it's due to lack of traffic. Everett must be a primarily business oriented station; LAS and PHX were 2 routes, primarily leisure I'd bet, that continued operating throughout the COVID drops and I'm sure AS is anxious to get PAE back up to full strength as soon as the pax return. There were added flights on the advanced summer and fall skeds which have been, and continue to be, trimmed back as the traffic still isn't showing up.
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ericm2031 wrote:They also announced today they’ll be adding some lines of Airbus flying by bringing some A320s out of storage.
Also adding 3 seats to the -800s
BZE will be 5x weekly LAX, 2x weekly from SEA. Seasonal, potentially year round if it performs well.
AC4500 wrote:I really don't think SEA-BZE will be likely to happen at all.
jbs2886 wrote:AC4500 wrote:I really don't think SEA-BZE will be likely to happen at all.
Why? Its AS's primary hub, by far, so it makes perfect sense. It's not like CLT and DEN are primary hotspots for BZE either, they are driven by connections, like SEA would be.
jbs2886 wrote:AC4500 wrote:I really don't think SEA-BZE will be likely to happen at all.
Why? Its AS's primary hub, by far, so it makes perfect sense. It's not like CLT and DEN are primary hotspots for BZE either, they are driven by connections, like SEA would be.
AC4500 wrote:jbs2886 wrote:AC4500 wrote:I really don't think SEA-BZE will be likely to happen at all.
Why? Its AS's primary hub, by far, so it makes perfect sense. It's not like CLT and DEN are primary hotspots for BZE either, they are driven by connections, like SEA would be.
Aside from Alaska, what viable connections could be made in Seattle that wouldn't involve backtracking?
BA744PHX wrote:jbs2886 wrote:AC4500 wrote:I really don't think SEA-BZE will be likely to happen at all.
Why? Its AS's primary hub, by far, so it makes perfect sense. It's not like CLT and DEN are primary hotspots for BZE either, they are driven by connections, like SEA would be.
Location, location, location is the primary reason why SEA-BZE is less likely. To much back tracking to fill this flight
This screams LAX-BZE
AC4500 wrote:jbs2886 wrote:AC4500 wrote:I really don't think SEA-BZE will be likely to happen at all.
Why? Its AS's primary hub, by far, so it makes perfect sense. It's not like CLT and DEN are primary hotspots for BZE either, they are driven by connections, like SEA would be.
What viable connections could be made in Seattle that wouldn't involve backtracking?
jbs2886 wrote:BA744PHX wrote:jbs2886 wrote:
Why? Its AS's primary hub, by far, so it makes perfect sense. It's not like CLT and DEN are primary hotspots for BZE either, they are driven by connections, like SEA would be.
Location, location, location is the primary reason why SEA-BZE is less likely. To much back tracking to fill this flight
This screams LAX-BZE
I never stated LAX didn't make sense, only indicating that you can't rule out SEA. From the poster's original comment, it appears to be both, which does make sense IMO.
SANFan wrote:ericm2031 wrote:BZE will be 5x weekly LAX, 2x weekly from SEA. Seasonal, potentially year round if it performs well.
Source please?
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jplatts wrote:AC4500 wrote:jbs2886 wrote:
Why? Its AS's primary hub, by far, so it makes perfect sense. It's not like CLT and DEN are primary hotspots for BZE either, they are driven by connections, like SEA would be.
What viable connections could be made in Seattle that wouldn't involve backtracking?
There would be viable connecting opportunities that don't involve backtracking onto AS's SEA-BZE flights from AS SEA-ANC/BLI/FAI/JNU/KTN/SIT/YVR/YYJ flights.
Airbii wrote:SANFan wrote:ericm2031 wrote:BZE will be 5x weekly LAX, 2x weekly from SEA. Seasonal, potentially year round if it performs well.
Source please?
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Internal company info. Should not have been shared. I don't see it publicly either, all the more reason not to have posted that information.
jbs2886 wrote:That's not the way hubs work, of course there can be a lot of backtracking. If you remove backtracking in what world does almost anything make sense from SEA, except Alaska? AS's PNW presence would likely be enough and those PNW passengers are used to going through SEA.
BoeingGuy wrote:Airbii wrote:SANFan wrote:Source please?
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Internal company info. Should not have been shared. I don't see it publicly either, all the more reason not to have posted that information.
That was pretty foolish. It’s a great way to get fired.
Expressing an opinion is one thing. Posting non-public proprietary information on the Internet is a fireable offense at most companies.
32andBelow wrote:jbs2886 wrote:BA744PHX wrote:
Location, location, location is the primary reason why SEA-BZE is less likely. To much back tracking to fill this flight
This screams LAX-BZE
I never stated LAX didn't make sense, only indicating that you can't rule out SEA. From the poster's original comment, it appears to be both, which does make sense IMO.
Flying like LAX-SEA-BZE makes no sense when SEA-LAX-BZE does
32andBelow wrote:BoeingGuy wrote:Airbii wrote:
Internal company info. Should not have been shared. I don't see it publicly either, all the more reason not to have posted that information.
That was pretty foolish. It’s a great way to get fired.
Expressing an opinion is one thing. Posting non-public proprietary information on the Internet is a fireable offense at most companies.
If your going to put something out to a company of 10s of thousand it might as well be public
jbs2886 wrote:That's not the way hubs work, of course there can be a lot of backtracking. If you remove backtracking in what world does almost anything make sense from SEA, except Alaska?
jbs2886 wrote:AS's PNW presence would likely be enough and those PNW passengers are used to going through SEA.
maverick4002 wrote:I just came back from Belize on Sunday. Nice place. United seems to have the market tied up from the US, so to speak. When I was leavign there were three United aircraft on the ground. Looks like the serve from Houston, Chicago, Denver, Newark and maybe LAX? Newark is seasonal I think, not sure about the others
phatfarmlines wrote:usflyer msp wrote:The only logical choice is LAX.
LAX has the second largest Belizean community in the US.
I recall someone operating LAX-BZE 1x weekly back in the day, was it TACA?
EDIT: Saw an article from 2013 where DL announced1x weekly LAX-BZE, but during the TACA days, perhaps they flew it as well?
jbs2886 wrote:32andBelow wrote:jbs2886 wrote:
I never stated LAX didn't make sense, only indicating that you can't rule out SEA. From the poster's original comment, it appears to be both, which does make sense IMO.
Flying like LAX-SEA-BZE makes no sense when SEA-LAX-BZE does
SMH, read my posts. I said it makes sense for much of the PNW that is already backtracking through SEA for most connections. I also said I think LAX/SEA-BZE makes sense to capture AS's full market on the west coast. I never said LAX-SEA-BZE makes sense.
Also, I'll state again, the obsession that people won't backtrack is false. The SEA hub relies almost entirely on backtracking, as do many other hubs.