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Let's buy a BAC 1-11

Tue May 18, 2021 10:38 pm

Maybe Airliners.net users should crowdsource the funds to buy a low time Rombac 1-11

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    Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

    Tue May 18, 2021 11:07 pm

    Only if we can paint it in the black and gold livery of Mohawk in the 1960s/early 1970s!
     
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    Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

    Tue May 18, 2021 11:08 pm

    hahahah .. you know a.net users would fight over what colors to paint it in .. I'd want the original black/white/gold Mohawk! :-)
     
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    Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

    Tue May 18, 2021 11:27 pm

    I'm in!! Mohawk on one side and old US Air on the other.
     
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    Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

    Tue May 18, 2021 11:34 pm

    Original Mohawk on one side - their last colors on the other! :-)
     
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    Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

    Tue May 18, 2021 11:57 pm

    my very 1st flight was on a BAC111 on Braniff in 1968 MKC-ORD! Loved that plane
     
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    Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

    Tue May 18, 2021 11:59 pm

    also , for Mohawk fans i remember as a kid in Cleveland in the mid 60's the big billboard along the Memorial Shoreway . FLY MOHAWK JETS to Utica, Elmira ,Binghamton, Albany!
     
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    Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

    Wed May 19, 2021 12:16 am

    Opening bid is $30k - no one has a single bitcoin to spare? I can't imagine the plane has many hours on it. Not sure you can operate it due to noise regs but if you made it experimental perhaps you could fly in to Oshkosh on July

    And take off that silly noise silencer on the engines - you could show anyone under 30 years old what real airplanes sounded like.
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      Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

      Wed May 19, 2021 12:19 am

      "Due to the two planes’ “extreme rarity and significance for the technical history of Romania,” they were added this year to the “treasure” category of Romania’s mobile cultural heritage. By law, they can't leave the country and whoever owns them must maintain them."

      So no Mohawk livery, no flying it out of Romania. You're buying a dictator's plane & having to maintain it as such.
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      Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

      Wed May 19, 2021 12:41 am

      RJNUT wrote:
      my very 1st flight was on a BAC111 on Braniff in 1968 MKC-ORD! Loved that plane

      When I worked for Allegheny Airlines, the BAC-111 was not my favorite. But that was in the days when the non-smoking session was the last four rows where the engines were and they were loud.
       
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      Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

      Wed May 19, 2021 12:48 am

      Well that stinks. Not sharing a work of art such as a 1-11 with the world is just not right. I guess I should have bought Elvis's JetStar - another cool airplane from my youth.

      Has ANet ever had a discussion on what plane was the loudest? I vote for the 1-11 cause I never heard a Trident which had 3 Sprey's and a booster.
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 12:55 am

        I am sure if someone wealthy enough wanted to they could get it out of Romania. The right political contributions and charity donations can sway the powers that be. But is there anyone wealthy enough to want to go through the trouble?
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 1:21 am

        TheFlyingDisk wrote:
        "Due to the two planes’ “extreme rarity and significance for the technical history of Romania,” they were added this year to the “treasure” category of Romania’s mobile cultural heritage. By law, they can't leave the country and whoever owns them must maintain them."

        So no Mohawk livery, no flying it out of Romania. You're buying a dictator's plane & having to maintain it as such.


        Fix it up, fly it out under the dark of night like one of those tacky repo shows
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 1:56 am

        Why can't they just be maintained by the Romanian government as museum pieces? Also keep in mind that the type certificate for the BAC One-Eleven was withdrawn in 2010.
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 2:47 am

        jaybird wrote:
        hahahah .. you know a.net users would fight over what colors to paint it in .. I'd want the original black/white/gold Mohawk! :-)

        Nah....
        It will look much better painted in the Britt scheme.
        I always liked the British Midland B111 dark blue scheme. Quebecair ended up with at least one that color, it was a sharp looking paint job on a tired old bird.
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 2:55 am

        dmurray wrote:
        RJNUT wrote:
        my very 1st flight was on a BAC111 on Braniff in 1968 MKC-ORD! Loved that plane

        When I worked for Allegheny Airlines, the BAC-111 was not my favorite. But that was in the days when the non-smoking session was the last four rows where the engines were and they were loud.


        Flew them on Pacific Express a couple of times, later on for monthly commutes on Florida Express. And MANY times on Britt.
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 3:02 am

        Geez, guys, doesn't "cultural heritage" mean anything? Next thing the British will be taking the Elgin marbles from the Acropolis and putting them in the British Museum. Umm, hang on . . .
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 3:30 am

        smokeybandit wrote:
        TheFlyingDisk wrote:
        "Due to the two planes’ “extreme rarity and significance for the technical history of Romania,” they were added this year to the “treasure” category of Romania’s mobile cultural heritage. By law, they can't leave the country and whoever owns them must maintain them."

        So no Mohawk livery, no flying it out of Romania. You're buying a dictator's plane & having to maintain it as such.


        Fix it up, fly it out under the dark of night like one of those tacky repo shows


        That would low key be hilarious, what are they going to do other than Cry out about it? Would dash any hopes of ever visiting Romania again, and I guess there’s a slight chance of military jets going after you, but once it’s out of the country…
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 3:52 am

        If you fly it out of Romania... you eventually have to land somewhere. That "somewhere" probably has its own police force along with various things like an extradition treaty, the capacity to arrest aircraft, etc...

        Yes, you could fly somewhere where the normal rules don't apply (is Syria in fuel range from Romania for a Rombac ?) but you probably don't want to spend a lot of time there long term.

        If you fly the aircraft out at night, it probably won't end well...
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 4:06 am

        davidjohnson6 wrote:
        If you fly it out of Romania... you eventually have to land somewhere. That "somewhere" probably has its own police force along with various things like an extradition treaty, the capacity to arrest aircraft, etc...

        Yes, you could fly somewhere where the normal rules don't apply (is Syria in fuel range from Romania for a Rombac ?) but you probably don't want to spend a lot of time there long term.

        If you fly the aircraft out at night, it probably won't end well...


        File an IFR daytime flight plan to an untowered airport inside of Romania. Refuel, in the middle of the night takeoff VFR, contact en route control and file a pickup IFR flight plan to out of the country. They’ll issue a clearance and transponder code and let you on your way. By the time the night shift controllers realize you are not legally able to take that airplane out of the airspace you will be landing in the next country.
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 4:31 am

        But what happens in the next country when you get found out ?
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 4:41 am

        Lads, the topic is "let's buy a BAC 1-11" not "let's steal a BAC 1-11" :D
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 4:48 am

        Newark727 wrote:
        Lads, the topic is "let's buy a BAC 1-11" not "let's steal a BAC 1-11" :D


        Re-homing. :)
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 5:05 am

        Italianflyer wrote:
        I'm in!! Mohawk on one side and old US Air on the other.


        The problem is, these Rombacs are the equivalent of "Super 1-11s" or BAC-111-500s, otherwise known as stretch versions. Every U.S. operator only flew the short body 200/400 series. However, something is better than nothing :)
         
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        Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

        Wed May 19, 2021 6:10 am

        The short ones we saw in the States were the right proportion unlike the 500's which looked rather strange with the small rudder.
        They were perfect.........

        I still feel it was the loudest jet to operate in the the US.
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          Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

          Wed May 19, 2021 6:33 am

          :D excellent observation
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          DavidByrne wrote:
          Geez, guys, doesn't "cultural heritage" mean anything? Next thing the British will be taking the Elgin marbles from the Acropolis and putting them in the British Museum. Umm, hang on . . .
           
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          Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

          Wed May 19, 2021 7:07 am

          MohawkWeekend wrote:
          Well that stinks. Not sharing a work of art such as a 1-11 with the world is just not right. I guess I should have bought Elvis's JetStar - another cool airplane from my youth.

          Has ANet ever had a discussion on what plane was the loudest? I vote for the 1-11 cause I never heard a Trident which had 3 Sprey's and a booster.

          The FAA keeps a database of this. The 737-200 non-kit was actually louder.

          The loudest in all categories, takeoff, cruise, or landing, was the Concorde, by far.

          I was lucky enough to witness the first Concorde at Oshkosh in 1985, and again in 1988.
          In those days, the rules were very different. You had to be associated with aviation, an airline employee, EAA member, licensed pilot or student, or CAP/Military to go past the “Show Line”, but you had pretty much free reign of the field, up to the ditch along the taxiway. There was a 3 inch bare area cut into the grass that was maybe 400 feet from the runway edge, that noted don’t go past here. And they trusted you to stay there.

          In 1985 Inbound, the first pass was at 1,000 feet, and a lot of people didn’t even know it was there until it throttled up down the runway, then EVERYBODY paid attention. He went around the pattern for a supposed landing, but the gear never went down. Instead he called “Go Around”, and came screaming down the runway about 200 feet off of the deck, soaring up at the end, like a fighter. Man, I can still remember the sound, and how my ears hurt, even with my ears plugged with fingers. Whatta thrill...

          The video below is one of the takeoffs in 1988, I was standing about midfield when this was filmed, right on the line. The guy that recorded it went on the Mach 1 ride. They flew up to the Canadian border, then went supersonic up to the ice.

          https://youtu.be/zVjpcrm2-RY
           
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          Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

          Wed May 19, 2021 8:25 am

          The biscuit and sky blue British United livery for me please!!
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          Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

          Wed May 19, 2021 11:18 am

          Are those hushkits at the back of those RR Speys?
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          Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

          Wed May 19, 2021 11:48 am

          "The FAA keeps a database of this. The 737-200 non-kit was actually louder."

          Must be what they measure - the Sprey's had a mean "crackle" on take-off that only military aircraft have. Ironically, HS-125's with Viper engines had the same but with slightly less volume. Must be a British thing.
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            Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

            Wed May 19, 2021 12:50 pm

            MohawkWeekend wrote:
            "The FAA keeps a database of this. The 737-200 non-kit was actually louder."

            Must be what they measure - the Sprey's had a mean "crackle" on take-off that only military aircraft have. Ironically, HS-125's with Viper engines had the same but with slightly less volume. Must be a British thing.


            Once saw a Caravelle take off, I think in SJC of all places. That was an experience for the ears, too.
             
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            Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

            Wed May 19, 2021 3:44 pm

            More British engines! Olympus. Sprey.Viper, Avon.
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Wed May 19, 2021 4:45 pm

              FlyingElvii wrote:
              MohawkWeekend wrote:
              Well that stinks. Not sharing a work of art such as a 1-11 with the world is just not right. I guess I should have bought Elvis's JetStar - another cool airplane from my youth.

              Has ANet ever had a discussion on what plane was the loudest? I vote for the 1-11 cause I never heard a Trident which had 3 Sprey's and a booster.

              The FAA keeps a database of this. The 737-200 non-kit was actually louder.

              The loudest in all categories, takeoff, cruise, or landing, was the Concorde, by far.

              I was lucky enough to witness the first Concorde at Oshkosh in 1985, and again in 1988.
              In those days, the rules were very different. You had to be associated with aviation, an airline employee, EAA member, licensed pilot or student, or CAP/Military to go past the “Show Line”, but you had pretty much free reign of the field, up to the ditch along the taxiway. There was a 3 inch bare area cut into the grass that was maybe 400 feet from the runway edge, that noted don’t go past here. And they trusted you to stay there.

              In 1985 Inbound, the first pass was at 1,000 feet, and a lot of people didn’t even know it was there until it throttled up down the runway, then EVERYBODY paid attention. He went around the pattern for a supposed landing, but the gear never went down. Instead he called “Go Around”, and came screaming down the runway about 200 feet off of the deck, soaring up at the end, like a fighter. Man, I can still remember the sound, and how my ears hurt, even with my ears plugged with fingers. Whatta thrill...

              The video below is one of the takeoffs in 1988, I was standing about midfield when this was filmed, right on the line. The guy that recorded it went on the Mach 1 ride. They flew up to the Canadian border, then went supersonic up to the ice.

              https://youtu.be/zVjpcrm2-RY



              Quote: "....soaring up at the end, like a fighter. " Which reminds me of my friend, a Delta A330 Instructor Captain who told me the story in his Navy days flying Tomcats... He and a buddy spotted one of the Concorde's flying at 60K feet or so and decided to give chase from below. They could not catch it!
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Wed May 19, 2021 5:16 pm

              The BAC111 carried some very interesting colours:

              KLM:


              SABENA:


              OMAN Air Force:


              BRANIFF:


              ALBARKA AIR:


              EUROPEAN AIR CHARTER:


              Interior:
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Wed May 19, 2021 5:45 pm

              jaybird wrote:
              hahahah .. you know a.net users would fight over what colors to paint it in .. I'd want the original black/white/gold Mohawk! :-)

              I love either the original or final ("buckskin") Mohawk liveries. I only recently changed my a.net avatar to Empire from "Fly Mohawk Jets." ;) That being said, I'd also give an honorable mention to Québecair, the all-blue livery was very nice on the 111.
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Wed May 19, 2021 6:20 pm

              MohawkWeekend wrote:
              Has ANet ever had a discussion on what plane was the loudest? I vote for the 1-11 cause I never heard a Trident which had 3 Sprey's and a booster.

              VC-10 was up there, when I was in high school BA had a Sunday morning flight that would go out over my house near JNB, part of a round the world if I remember rightly and that was some noise. Nice and quiet inside of course with the 4 at the tail. I flew on Caledonian VC-10 several times in the 70s.
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Wed May 19, 2021 7:41 pm

              Does it have a gold bathroom and an onboard meatlocker for storing all of the bounty from Ceausescu's hunts?
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Wed May 19, 2021 9:12 pm

              cschleic wrote:
              Once saw a Caravelle take off, I think in SJC of all places. That was an experience for the ears, too.

              I once spent three hours sitting in the last row of a Caravelle between SYD and NOU, adjacent to the engines. What should have been a joyful experience riding a classic aircraft turned into one of the most miserable flights of my life. I think my ears are still ringing, 35 years on.
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Thu May 20, 2021 1:22 am

              factsonly wrote:
              The BAC111 carried some very interesting colours:

              The original livery on this PR 1-11 was unusual as the red cheat line was above the blue.....


              However, the old PAL domestic roundel really suited T-tails much better...prop or jet.
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Thu May 20, 2021 1:22 am

              aemoreira1981 wrote:
              Why can't they just be maintained by the Romanian government as museum pieces? Also keep in mind that the type certificate for the BAC One-Eleven was withdrawn in 2010.

              Even so, it kept flying until May 6, 2019 when Northrop Grumman retired its own.
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Thu May 20, 2021 12:16 pm

              Interesting that “Mohawk Weekend” started this thread, as when a young lad I remember that promotion. For $25, one could fly as much and often as you desire from 0600 on Saturday to 1800 on Sunday. While I did fly Mohawk a lot, this promotion did not include Toronto, where I lived.

              Noting the interior picture above, Mohawk had an unusual interior layout. All economy, seats alternated 4 and 5 abreast! Seats faced each other (5 abreast) at the overwing exit. Seats did not recline (the seat pan moved forward instead) and it was not equipped with oxygen masks.

              It would be incredible to bring thus aircraft to the US and restore it as Mohawk Airlines.
              If you respond with a two page answer, obviously pre-prepared, I’m not going to bother reading it. Odds are, no one else is either!
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Thu May 20, 2021 1:20 pm

              MohawkWeekend wrote:
              The short ones we saw in the States were the right proportion unlike the 500's which looked rather strange with the small rudder.
              They were perfect.........

              I still feel it was the loudest jet to operate in the the US.


              I remember watching the BAC-1-11s of Mohawk from the outdoor observation deck of Albany Airport, and even the engine startup at the gate was deafening, you had to plug your ears. I used to marvel at the retractable airstairs, the forward door would slide open and there’d be a really cute stewardess in a bright orange minidress standing in the doorway while she lowered the stairs. To my 5-year-old self, that was real excitement! American also operated them into ALB, but for a much shorter period of time, replaced by 727-100s.
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Thu May 20, 2021 1:50 pm

              Being it is a series 500 1-11 I would go with Court Line.
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Thu May 20, 2021 2:04 pm

              WayexTDI wrote:
              aemoreira1981 wrote:
              Why can't they just be maintained by the Romanian government as museum pieces? Also keep in mind that the type certificate for the BAC One-Eleven was withdrawn in 2010.

              Even so, it kept flying until May 6, 2019 when Northrop Grumman retired its own.


              And then it was scrapped in Baltimore...a nearly 53-year old example, ex-American Airlines.

              MohawkWeekend wrote:
              Well that stinks. Not sharing a work of art such as a 1-11 with the world is just not right. I guess I should have bought Elvis's JetStar - another cool airplane from my youth.

              Has ANet ever had a discussion on what plane was the loudest? I vote for the 1-11 cause I never heard a Trident which had 3 Sprey's and a booster.


              Let's just say that noise regulations are what killed off the One-Eleven from European operations around the turn of the 21st century.
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Mon May 24, 2021 4:52 pm

              NickWebb wrote:
              The biscuit and sky blue British United livery for me please!!


              Hello.
              The BUA livery was smart, but I'm a little surprised you didn't suggest a Latin American scheme.
              For a classic, how about Austral, Sadia or TACA?
              Or, for a splash of colour, how about Aviateca Guatemala or Transbrasil. Anyone for coffee?
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Mon May 24, 2021 4:54 pm

              26decals wrote:
              Being it is a series 500 1-11 I would go with Court Line.


              Hello.
              So, what would it be; pink, turquoise, lilac or yellow?
              Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
              With apologies to Paul Theroux - ‘The Great Railway Bazaar’
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Mon May 24, 2021 5:06 pm

              CrewBunk wrote:

              It would be incredible to bring thus aircraft to the US and restore it as Mohawk Airlines.


              If you want to put a 1-11 into Mohawk colours you'd do better to rescue N1117J from Orlando. That one was originally delivered new to Mohawk back in the sixties.
              Mind you, N1117J has been sitting at Orlando for a long time now and might be in poor condition.
              Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
              With apologies to Paul Theroux - ‘The Great Railway Bazaar’
               
              BealineV953
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Mon May 24, 2021 5:33 pm

              MohawkWeekend wrote:
              Has ANet ever had a discussion on what plane was the loudest?
              I vote for the 1-11 cause I never heard a Trident which had 3 Spey's and a booster.


              The Trident 3B was noisy, but just about bearable. The booster on the 3B was very rarely used. As I recall the booster was needed for a full load to the far reaches of the BEA (then BA) network (ATH, LCA, IST...) but as I recall the 3B rarely went that far, with the Trident 2E and then the 737-200 preferred for the longer legs.
              My first long term girlfriend's father was a recently retired Trident captain - he couldn't remember when he'd last used the booster, and said that when it he had used it, it was only because Engineering had asked for the booster to be given a run. In effect the booster was extra weight that had to be carried around, but as I recall they couldn't be removed because it would upset the C of G.
              Anyhow, talking of loudest; I grew up close to Heathrow and VC-10s, 707s and DC-8s seemed the loudest to me. On take off those three caused pain! The Trident, 1-11 and Caravelle didn't come close.
              Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
              With apologies to Paul Theroux - ‘The Great Railway Bazaar’
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Mon May 24, 2021 6:32 pm

              BealineV953 wrote:
              CrewBunk wrote:

              It would be incredible to bring thus aircraft to the US and restore it as Mohawk Airlines.


              If you want to put a 1-11 into Mohawk colours you'd do better to rescue N1117J from Orlando. That one was originally delivered new to Mohawk back in the sixties.
              Mind you, N1117J has been sitting at Orlando for a long time now and might be in poor condition.


              It’s still there?! I’m surprised that it hasn’t been turned into scrap metal. It must be in horrendous shape because it’s been used as a trainer for firefighters at the airport.
               
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              Re: Let's buy a BAC 1-11

              Tue May 25, 2021 2:45 pm

              NYCAAer wrote:
              BealineV953 wrote:
              CrewBunk wrote:

              It would be incredible to bring thus aircraft to the US and restore it as Mohawk Airlines.


              If you want to put a 1-11 into Mohawk colours you'd do better to rescue N1117J from Orlando. That one was originally delivered new to Mohawk back in the sixties.
              Mind you, N1117J has been sitting at Orlando for a long time now and might be in poor condition.


              It’s still there?! I’m surprised that it hasn’t been turned into scrap metal. It must be in horrendous shape because it’s been used as a trainer for firefighters at the airport.


              The most recent picture of N1117J I can find on the web was taken in August 2016 at which time it was still in one piece.
              The 2017 edition of 'Survivors' (Roy Blewett - an excellent book) reports it as extant in October 2016.
              Although used for firefighter training, the airliner was not set fire to.
              Having said that, I'm guessing the airframe will suffer from corrosion.

              Does anyone out there know if N1117J is still with us?
              Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
              With apologies to Paul Theroux - ‘The Great Railway Bazaar’

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