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Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 1:10 pm

While the European Commission and its antitrust branch gave the green light for financial aid by the Netherlands and Portugal, the European General Court rejected this decision today after Ryanair filed a lawsuit.
Other state aid measures were considered legal, however.

At the same time, the General Court decided in favor of Lufthansa, who had sued against state aid to Frankfurt-Hahn airport (HHN), a major base for Ryanair.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-05-19/
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 4:49 pm

"What goes around, comes around"...as the old saying goes. Or as I like to say, "live by the sword, die by the same sword"
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 5:09 pm

Great news, KLM in particular is dumpling lots of ridiclously low airfares at the moment . It's not fair that the Dutch tax payer is subsidising everbody else's holidays . And lufthansa is just as bad.
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 5:22 pm

Galwayman wrote:
Great news, KLM in particular is dumpling lots of ridiclously low airfares at the moment . It's not fair that the Dutch tax payer is subsidising everbody else's holidays . And lufthansa is just as bad.


Because you think it’s not the case with Ryanair? :rotfl:
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 5:34 pm

Galwayman wrote:
Great news, KLM in particular is dumpling lots of ridiclously low airfares at the moment . It's not fair that the Dutch tax payer is subsidising everbody else's holidays . And lufthansa is just as bad.


The Dutch tax payer is not subsidising anyone's holiday.

KLM received commercial bank loans, supported by a state guarantee.

Only in case of a default, would the Dutch taxpayer pick up a bill.

The Luxembourg court objects to the fact that KLM and AF get separate and different state support.......while they are considered one corporation.
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 5:38 pm

Interesting, many were rejected.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wi ... s-77062278

B737MAX wrote:
Galwayman wrote:
Great news, KLM in particular is dumpling lots of ridiclously low airfares at the moment . It's not fair that the Dutch tax payer is subsidising everbody else's holidays . And lufthansa is just as bad.


Because you think it’s not the case with Ryanair? :rotfl:

Ryanair has lost lawsuits brought by the competition:
https://m.dw.com/en/ryanair-loses-to-eu ... /a-1102861

This is kicking them while they are down. If the competition can sue Ryanair, payback ...

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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 5:52 pm

factsonly wrote:
The Luxembourg court objects to the fact that KLM and AF get separate and different state support.......while they are considered one corporation.


I think the court is a little confused how the JV is structured :hypnotized: :mrgreen: . That KL and AF are indeed seperate companies, but also subsidiaries of its holding company AF-KL Group
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 7:19 pm

It's a toothless ruling. What that article doesn't say is that the airlines don't have to give back any of the money that they received.
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed May 19, 2021 7:32 pm

Galwayman wrote:
Great news, KLM in particular is dumpling lots of ridiclously low airfares at the moment . It's not fair that the Dutch tax payer is subsidising everbody else's holidays . And lufthansa is just as bad.

If Ryanair collects subsidies from airports, it still remains taxpayers' money ! Why should any EU taxpayer finance travel with Ryanair?
And dumping " ridiclously low airfares " isn't that standard at Ryanair?
Read the following article and and tell us about fares and load factor

https://news.yahoo.com/private-jet-experience-under-9-165054656.html
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:08 pm

Ryanair has won another lawsuit, this time against the state support for Condor (DE). https://www.reuters.com/business/aerosp ... 021-06-09/
However, similar to the cases against KLM and TAP:
The Luxembourg-based General Court annulled regulators' decision approving the measure but said Condor would not be required to repay the aid for now due to the COVID-19 pandemic and pending a new decision by the European Commission.
 
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Re: Ryanair wins lawsuit over state aid for KLM, TAP

Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:41 pm

At the end of the day, Ryanair is going to dominate the market KLM and TAP are in. They are the largest carrier by pax in Europe and will only grow as the others malaise in GOV handouts and red tape.
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