After a lot more thought I am starting to question the whole “MOL will never order Airbus” mentality. Which I have been very much a part of, I hasten to add. I know, I KNOW! But hear me out; MOL doesn’t share our own biases (and yes we all have them) he wants to make money and doesn’t seem to care who he upsets by doing it – its all about the end result.
So how can he ‘win’ here? He orders Airbus. Either the 321LR or 321XLR, just a small amount, enough to offer low fair trans-Atlantic services from secondary airports where his only competition is likely to be legacy carriers currently operating old 757 stock. I think there is a real opportunity for Ryanair here, after all there is going to be very little difference in terms of passenger comfort between Y in a legacy narrow body and whatever Ryanair would offer; it would come down to ticket price, and that’s where they will shine.
I know there are problems with this idea, but I don’t think any of them are unsolvable. Fleet commonality for instance; this to me is a none issue; international fleets are always going to be different to domestic, with differing maintenance requirements for ETOPS, different pilot pools, and perhaps even a slightly
better hard product. I don’t see how this would be any easier or cheaper should there actually be a Boeing alternative to the XLR for MOL to order.
Which brings us to the biggest potential problem; cost. 321’s aren’t going to be cheap, and I don’t see Airbus going out of their way to make them so just for MOL. But these would be operating on new routes with the potential to be VERY lucrative. Think how much they are going to make on inflight services, or should you actually fly with luggage and require a checked bag.
And finally, we have Boeing. Imagine the havoc MOL could reap on their sales team should he actually secure an Airbus order. Even if he has to over pay on a sub fleet of trans-Atlantic XLR’s the discounts he would be able to get on a much larger Max10 order for domestic use would likely make up for it.
Out of curiosity, if you are a passenger in any mode of transport, of what concern is it to you what the driver is paid? Are you seriously suggesting that skill, performance and even integrity is governed by what someone earns? When you mention acceptable....what if I may ask, and to whom?.
To answer your curiosity.; Yes. Yes I very much pay attention to how the people I routinely entrust my life too are treated. And no, I do not think that pay or conditions has any real relation to skill but it certainly does have an impact on performance. Distracted, tired and over worked flight crews have caused many fatal aviation accidents. Personally I am happy to pay a little more to know that the flight crew aren’t distracted by things such as affording rent or difficulty getting a mortgage due to being on “zero hour contact”.
OTOH, we can all discuss if Ryanair is a garbage product, or mistreats employees, but I won’t accept certain comments that are simply not true. Full disclosure, I am a Ryanair captain, and on any given day I load whatever extra fuel I require for the flight, do a go-around whenever I feel is necessary, or delay a flight to complete a briefing or checklist, and I have never received an email or call questioning my decision. If any, the input we receive from management and training is clear: safety first! Captain’s total discretion to load extra fuel, no blame policy for go arounds, no rush to complete procedures of checklist. With regards to rest, the roster is 5 days on, 4 days off; on blocks alternate between early and late duties, but never within a block. These policies regarding safety and rest are much better than in my previous “legacy” airline.
Everyone is entitled to share their opinion, especially in an Internet forum, but please try to keep it fair and don’t dress opinions as facts.
First of all please don’t take anything I have said about Ryanair and their garbage product as a personal reflection upon yourself or your colleagues. But I stand by what I said. There was a memo leaked some years ago from Mol to his staff regarding minimum fuel requirements and how much more money he could make if they perhaps didn’t uplift as much. It was a work of art, really. At the time, various pilots unions and groups jumped on it stating it was illegal because its ultimately the captains responsibility to dictate the fuel requirements for a given flight. But if you read it carefully he never actually “says” that it is no longer the captains prerogative to dictate what fuel is required, he merely points out how much money carrying extra fuel is costing his company and how your career prospects are directly linked to how much money he and his company can make. And it worked, with the addition of random checks on crews to ensure they were operating the aircraft as “efficiently” as is possible there were a flurry of mayday low fuel incidents involving Ryanair.
I would love to link you to the memo but I am genuinely having trouble finding it. Searching for Mol legal treats and staff disputes brings up hundreds of separate incidents. What I do remember though is that there was a documentary made in the he UK by Channel 4 called “secrets of the cockpit” which is available to UK viewers on the All4 app. I’m not sure where to find it as a direct link outside of the UK, but for context here are some highlights from it and the resulting media attention;
Ryanair pilots 'bullied into silence over safety': Two-thirds say they are not comfortable raising fears with their bosses
90% say airline doesn't have 'open and transparent safety culture'
Three-quarters of Ryanair pilots said to be on zero-hours contracts and must pay for all their expenses, including uniforms and transport
There were however many threads here discussing it which I can link too (I have not re-read them all, and this is just a selection). This
is about the actual program. This
is when Ryanairs own pilots were demanding a safety inquiry. And This
relates to one of the many lawsuits Mol filed against the media covering it – All of which he lost.
Finally means I’m linking to things relating to Ryanair’s staff then I have to link to Mentour
, although he never states who he works for as a 737 training captain I am 99.9% sure it's FR. It’s a shame, as he would be an excellent advertisement for them, I, for one, would have no issues sitting in the back if he was always sitting up front. Edited to add: Mod's I know I drifted a little off-topic towards the end, but Ryanair's past is kinda relevant to its future. However, if you are going to delete this post could you please message me with a copy of it, so I can start another thread or resurrect and old one. This post took me over an hour, man I need to get a life