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KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 3:37 pm

26 May, 2021: KLM newsroom

KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for Winter 2021:

- Orlando 4x weekly B789 in combination with MIA
- Phuket 4x weekly B77W in combination with KUL
- Mombasa 2x weekly B789 in combination with NBO
- Cancun 3x weekly B789 non-stop
- Bridgetown 3x weekly A332 in combination with Port-of-Spain
- Port-of-Spain 3x weekly A332 in combination with Bridgetown.

The airline hopes to meet the expected higher demand for long-haul tourism following COVID-19.

KLM returns to Orlando and Port of Spain, the other destinations are new.

Press Release not yet available in English - for all schedules see link:
https://nieuws.klm.com/klm-breidt-deze- ... temmingen/
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 3:43 pm

Basically KUL, MIA, NBO haven’t been doing well?

CUN was completely unexpected. Whats with the suprised drive towards Cancun by Europeans?
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 3:53 pm

Fall of Thomas Cook opened opportunities
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 4:01 pm

What do you mean by 'in combination'? It makes it sound like a tag to an existing service.
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 4:01 pm

lesfalls wrote:
CUN was completely unexpected. Whats with the suprised drive towards Cancun by Europeans?


Mexico has essentially no COVID rules/restrictions.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 4:04 pm

BGI & POS are the real surprise here as KLM mainly operated within the Dutch Caribbean.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 4:11 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
What do you mean by 'in combination'? It makes it sound like a tag to an existing service.

The HKT route is a tag-on. The others are triangle routes. See this tweet by Luchtvaartnieuws.nl: https://twitter.com/luchtvaart/status/1 ... 2734233603 (in Dutch, but the schedule speaks for itself)
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 4:14 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Basically KUL, MIA, NBO haven’t been doing well?

CUN was completely unexpected. Whats with the suprised drive towards Cancun by Europeans?


NBO not doing well isn’t a surprise to me. Our economy is beyond help, and the vaccination rollout has been slow.
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 4:47 pm

FlyingHollander wrote:
hiflyeras wrote:
What do you mean by 'in combination'? It makes it sound like a tag to an existing service.

The HKT route is a tag-on. The others are triangle routes. See this tweet by Luchtvaartnieuws.nl: https://twitter.com/luchtvaart/status/1 ... 2734233603 (in Dutch, but the schedule speaks for itself)


Thanks for the visual. I was confused as well about whether they were triangle routes or 3x/week to one city and 4x/week to the other.
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 4:56 pm

lesfalls wrote:
Basically KUL, MIA, NBO haven’t been doing well?

CUN was completely unexpected. Whats with the suprised drive towards Cancun by Europeans?


KLM has done pretty well with MIA. Nothing crazy but not bad at all.
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 5:08 pm

https://orlandoairports.net/press/2021/ ... al-airport

Operating as a circle route, the flight will operate four times a week at MCO. Passengers will be able to fly nonstop to Amsterdam on Thursdays and Fridays, and nonstop from Amsterdam on Mondays and Saturdays. Flights in the opposite direction on those days will stop in Miami before continuing on. Orlando International Airport has been without nonstop service to Amsterdam since March 2020.
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 5:42 pm

No surprise. CUN, MCO, BGI and HKT are all former MP destinations. There should be plenty of interest from the Dutch package touroperators. Plus the hub traffic flowing through AMS. Between the early ‘90s till 2010 Martinair carried a lot of transfer pax on these routes, especially to CUN and MCO. Mainly Italians to CUN and Middle-East pax to MCO.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 6:16 pm

Interesting they have both AMS-MIA-MCO-AMS and AMS-MCO-MIA-AMS. Wouldn't it be easier at that point just to launch AMS-MCO as it's own route?
Also, can they sell tickets on MIA-MCO? That could be a neat option for intra-Florida travel
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 6:26 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
Mexico has essentially no COVID rules/restrictions.

In addition, SE Asia was completely closed this winter , so mexico was obvious alternative. Now airlines hope it will have lasting impact.
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 6:26 pm

BWIAirport wrote:
Also, can they sell tickets on MIA-MCO?


No, but they may be able to carry non-revenue passengers.
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 6:29 pm

MileHFL400 wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
Basically KUL, MIA, NBO haven’t been doing well?

CUN was completely unexpected. Whats with the suprised drive towards Cancun by Europeans?


NBO not doing well isn’t a surprise to me. Our economy is beyond help, and the vaccination rollout has been slow.


The economic considerations aside the Nairobi flight was always well loaded and quite expensive. There were usually a good number connecting to Mombasa off the Amsterdam flight. I wonder if more to do with the end of the KQ close relationship?

The worst bit is the new Nairobi arrival time. The existing arrival time already means arriving at the hotel gone midnight.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 7:02 pm

HKT via KUL is very unattractive - Better off going AMS-HKT-KUL ,,,,,

Am expecting BA and VS to launch HKT soon , if the Phuket sandbox strategy works . El Al already have TLV - HKT in their system
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 7:07 pm

Didn't DL recently fly MCO-AMS nonstop but dropped it (in the pandemic)?
 
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Wed May 26, 2021 7:44 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
Didn't DL recently fly MCO-AMS nonstop but dropped it (in the pandemic)?


They did, it was also yearly seasonal route from 2018, operating only during summertime I believe
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 9:08 pm

So will the MCO-MIA flight basically be flying with just passengers from AMS who didn't get off at MCO? Doesn't sound like a money maker to me.
This reminds me of Korean Air's ICN-IAD-BOS route over 20 years ago.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 9:31 pm

Cubsrule wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
CUN was completely unexpected. Whats with the suprised drive towards Cancun by Europeans?


Mexico has essentially no COVID rules/restrictions.


I saw an article that said that the easy way for Europeans to fly to and enter the US is by connecting in MEX.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Wed May 26, 2021 10:29 pm

acavpics wrote:
So will the MCO-MIA flight basically be flying with just passengers from AMS who didn't get off at MCO? Doesn't sound like a money maker to me.


TUI Netherlands operated this route as well.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 12:50 am

acavpics wrote:
So will the MCO-MIA flight basically be flying with just passengers from AMS who didn't get off at MCO? Doesn't sound like a money maker to me.
This reminds me of Korean Air's ICN-IAD-BOS route over 20 years ago.


Are these not thru flights, so passengers for both MIA and MCO will board in AMS, then MIA passengers get off in MIA, while AMS passengers board the flight with a stop in MCO, in MCO the MCO passengers get off and the AMS passengers join the MIA AMS bound passengers.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 1:29 am

Don't all pax need to get off at first point of entry into the USA? That would mean MCO pax would need to clear FIS in Miami. Heavens help those poor "intransit" souls. Lines can be crazy long in MIA. KLM might have been better off asking DL to fly MIA MCO for them
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 1:45 am

ScottB wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Also, can they sell tickets on MIA-MCO?


No, but they may be able to carry non-revenue passengers.


only klm nonrevs or can people zed/ID90 on it?
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 5:22 am

aviationMCO8 wrote:
only klm nonrevs or can people zed/ID90 on it?


It'd pretty much have to be people traveling for no monetary consideration -- not even ID90 or ZED since those still involve payment.
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 5:39 am

ScottB wrote:
aviationMCO8 wrote:
only klm nonrevs or can people zed/ID90 on it?


It'd pretty much have to be people traveling for no monetary consideration -- not even ID90 or ZED since those still involve payment.


As do their own non revs
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 6:39 am

aviationMCO8 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
BWIAirport wrote:
Also, can they sell tickets on MIA-MCO?


No, but they may be able to carry non-revenue passengers.


only klm nonrevs or can people zed/ID90 on it?
the only KLM employees who don't pay are those who are ones somewhere as part of a duty (maintenance, positioning, etc). The rest of the pay the id90 fee for the leisure travel.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 7:04 am

In other words, only those who are listed on the crew gendec. So no nonrevs.
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 7:31 am

So could the domestic MIA-MCO and the MCO-MIA routes just be for operational/repositional reasons? To allow crew change overs/layovers for the transatlantic legs etc? I think KL's main target is to get the most revenue from pax using the AMS-MCO, MIA-AMS, AMS-MIA, MCO-AMS legs.
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 7:33 am

Before covid KL served Kuala Lumpur with a tag on to Jakarta: AMS-KUL-CGK-KUL-AMS. I wonder how Jakarta will be served after covid, if KUL now continues to Phuket. Could become a tag on from Singapore, but that one used to be flying onwards to DPS. Can't imagine they would not reinstate DPS after covid considering the focus on leasure destinations. Also they had 5th freedom on both SIN-DPS and KUL-CGK (and SIN-DPS was always full).
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 7:51 am

dirk88 wrote:
Before covid KL served Kuala Lumpur with a tag on to Jakarta: AMS-KUL-CGK-KUL-AMS. I wonder how Jakarta will be served after covid, if KUL now continues to Phuket. Could become a tag on from Singapore, but that one used to be flying onwards to DPS. Can't imagine they would not reinstate DPS after covid considering the focus on leasure destinations. Also they had 5th freedom on both SIN-DPS and KUL-CGK (and SIN-DPS was always full).



CGK is still served as a KUL tag, I can see the Phuket tag as a additional KUL service.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 7:54 am

KLM acquired a tour operator recently, so I can't say I am surprised by these routes. Must be in connection with that.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 8:44 am

Flanker7 wrote:

CGK is still served as a KUL tag, I can see the Phuket tag as a additional KUL service.


WINTER 2021 Advanced Schedules:

AMS-KUL-AMS will be double daily four days a week, but currently only one flight is for sale AMS-KUL-AMS each day.
This may still need to be adjusted in the reservation system.

- KL801 AMS 20.50 - 15.45 KUL - 17.35 HKT B77W Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat
- KL809 AMS 20.50 - 15.50 KUL - 18.10 CGK B77W Daily

AMS-SIN will be daily (using the same flight number is somewhat surprising):

- KL835 AMS 21.10 - 16.20 SIN - 20.20 DPS B772/B77W Tue, Thu, Fri, Sun
- KL835 AMS 21.10 - 16.20 SIN B772/B77W Mon, Wed, Sat

AMS-BKK will be daily:

- KL875 17.15 AMS - 10.05 BKK B77W Daily

AMS-HKG is planned to be daily non-stop:

- KL887 17.40 AMS - 11.55 HKG B772 Daily

AMS-TPE-MNL is planned to be daily:

- KL807 20.50 AMS - TPE - 19.30 MNL B77W Daily

Source: KLM.com
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 8:49 am

mcg wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
lesfalls wrote:
CUN was completely unexpected. Whats with the suprised drive towards Cancun by Europeans?


Mexico has essentially no COVID rules/restrictions.


I saw an article that said that the easy way for Europeans to fly to and enter the US is by connecting in MEX.


It's a way but not an 'easy' way as you have to spend 14 days in Mexico before entering the US so it's a very small group from whom this would be feasible.
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 9:17 am

Yes if KL is actually going to do AMS-MIA-MCO, then the MCO bound pax will first need to clear immigration + customs at MIA before re-boarding the flight. The entire process would take 2-2.5 hours max. Same thing HC is going to be doing for DSS-JFK-IAD effective 02Sep.
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 9:29 am

factsonly wrote:
Flanker7 wrote:

CGK is still served as a KUL tag, I can see the Phuket tag as a additional KUL service.


WINTER 2021 Advanced Schedules:

AMS-KUL-AMS will be double daily four days a week, but currently only one flight is for sale AMS-KUL-AMS each day.
This may still need to be adjusted in the reservation system.

- KL801 AMS 20.50 - 15.45 KUL - 17.35 HKT B77W Mon, Wed, Fri, Sat
- KL809 AMS 20.50 - 15.50 KUL - 18.10 CGK B77W Daily

AMS-SIN will be daily (using the same flight number is somewhat surprising):

- KL835 AMS 21.10 - 16.20 SIN - 20.20 DPS B772/B77W Tue, Thu, Fri, Sun
- KL835 AMS 21.10 - 16.20 SIN B772/B77W Mon, Wed, Sat

AMS-BKK will be daily:

- KL875 17.15 AMS - 10.05 BKK B77W Daily

AMS-HKG is planned to be daily non-stop:

- KL887 17.40 AMS - 11.55 HKG B772 Daily

AMS-TPE-MNL is planned to be daily:

- KL807 20.50 AMS - TPE - 19.30 MNL B77W Daily

Source: KLM.com


KL835 AMS 21.10 - 16.20 SIN - 20.20 DPS B772/B77W Tue, Thu, Fri, Sun
- KL835 AMS 21.10 - 16.20 SIN B772/B77W Mon, Wed, Sat
No so strange, same departure time out of Amsterdam, and three flights have a tag. It's still the same daily SIN operation.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 11:37 am

dirk88 wrote:
Before covid KL served Kuala Lumpur with a tag on to Jakarta: AMS-KUL-CGK-KUL-AMS. I wonder how Jakarta will be served after covid, if KUL now continues to Phuket. Could become a tag on from Singapore, but that one used to be flying onwards to DPS. Can't imagine they would not reinstate DPS after covid considering the focus on leasure destinations. Also they had 5th freedom on both SIN-DPS and KUL-CGK (and SIN-DPS was always full).


CGK & KUL are both currently served via SIN on alternate days, CGK with the B77W & KUL with the B789.
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 12:02 pm

Great long-haul leisure additions, just surprised MLE isn't included.
 
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Thu May 27, 2021 1:11 pm

shadyshamrock wrote:
mcg wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Mexico has essentially no COVID rules/restrictions.


I saw an article that said that the easy way for Europeans to fly to and enter the US is by connecting in MEX.


It's a way but not an 'easy' way as you have to spend 14 days in Mexico before entering the US so it's a very small group from whom this would be feasible.

Agreed. There would be no advantage as both Schengen/UK/Ireland and Mexico are currently classified Level 4 (Very High Risk) by the CDC. It might be “easier” in terms of available flights out of CUN, but otherwise arrivals from Mexico and Europe must present the same documentation and follow the same protocols to check in for the leg of the trip that arrives in the US.
 
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Re: KLM announces six new long-haul destinations for W21

Thu May 27, 2021 3:19 pm

MrBryan86 wrote:
dirk88 wrote:
Before covid KL served Kuala Lumpur with a tag on to Jakarta: AMS-KUL-CGK-KUL-AMS. I wonder how Jakarta will be served after covid, if KUL now continues to Phuket. Could become a tag on from Singapore, but that one used to be flying onwards to DPS. Can't imagine they would not reinstate DPS after covid considering the focus on leasure destinations. Also they had 5th freedom on both SIN-DPS and KUL-CGK (and SIN-DPS was always full).


CGK & KUL are both currently served via SIN on alternate days, CGK with the B77W & KUL with the B789.


Direct flights AMS - CGK would be the next best thing, but that would also make KL a direct competitor with Garuda...dont know if they would want to strain that relationship
 
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Fri May 28, 2021 11:27 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
MrBryan86 wrote:
dirk88 wrote:
Before covid KL served Kuala Lumpur with a tag on to Jakarta: AMS-KUL-CGK-KUL-

AMS. I wonder how Jakarta will be served after covid, if KUL now continues to Phuket. Could become a tag on from Singapore, but that one used to be flying onwards to DPS. Can't imagine they would not reinstate DPS after covid considering the focus on leasure destinations. Also they had 5th freedom on both SIN-DPS and KUL-CGK (and SIN-DPS was always full).


CGK & KUL are both currently served via SIN on alternate days, CGK with the B77W & KUL with the B789.


Direct flights AMS - CGK would be the next best thing, but that would also make KL a direct competitor with Garuda...dont know if they would want to strain that relationship


With the state GA is in, who knows if AMS will even survive through the restructuring?

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