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Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Thu May 27, 2021 11:19 pm

Hawaiian Airlines announced that it will not restart its ‘Ohana by Hawaiian passenger service between Honolulu and Moloka‘i and Lāna‘i as well as its statewide ATR freighter cargo service.

Passenger service with ATR 42 aircraft was suspended in March 2020 with a decline in Neighbor Island travel resulting from the COVID-19 and freighter service with ATR 72 aircraft was suspended in November 2020.

Hawaiian decided to permanently end service following an in-depth assessment of the overall operation and its long-term viability.

https://newsroom.hawaiianairlines.com/r ... an-service
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Thu May 27, 2021 11:51 pm

I loved their design on the body of the aircraft.... like a really good tattoo... A Hui Hoa
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 12:37 am

And then there was one, of the ten U.S. marketing carriers and their affiliates with at least 0.5% of scheduled domestic passenger service, still operating props. Horizon Q400 fans, start the countdown clock.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 1:53 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
And then there was one, of the ten U.S. marketing carriers and their affiliates with at least 0.5% of scheduled domestic passenger service, still operating props. Horizon Q400 fans, start the countdown clock.


AS/QX will keep their Q400's for a while.

Don't forget Silver Airways.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 2:18 am

Aloha, Ohana.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 2:21 am

So neighbor island travel for people on Oahu and Maui is now limited to ferries and C-208s?
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 2:59 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
And then there was one, of the ten U.S. marketing carriers and their affiliates with at least 0.5% of scheduled domestic passenger service, still operating props. Horizon Q400 fans, start the countdown clock.


AS/QX will keep their Q400's for a while.

Don't forget Silver Airways.


I'm guessing 3M doesn't meet the criterion "with at least 0.5% of scheduled domestic passenger service" given in MIflyer12's statement.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 3:11 am

Aaron747 wrote:
So neighbor island travel for people on Oahu and Maui is now limited to ferries and C-208s?


Yes for now. However, Mokulele is planning on bringing some Beechcraft 1900 for Honolulu flights.

https://beatofhawaii.com/mokulele-airlines-grows-with-larger-twin-engine-planes/
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 4:16 am

Aaron747 wrote:
So neighbor island travel for people on Oahu and Maui is now limited to ferries and C-208s?


I haven’t been on Mokulele in a few years, but not having to deal with the TSA was a real selling point. Roll up, get weighed, get on the plane and be in Molokai 15-20 minutes later.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 5:39 pm

Sad to see this. However it sounds like many employees will be transferred within Hawaiian.

A closer read makes this sound more like the retirement of a small fleet type (7 aircraft?) within Hawaiian Holdings.

Though painful, it's good to see Hawaiian management being responsible, objective, and sober and willing to make difficult decisions to protect the overall company.

If there's any hint of schadenfreude from employees of other airlines (above) beware that if you dither or dilly-dally, you may well be next. Airlines can't lose large sums of money indefinitely.

Good show of management courage at Hawaiian and best wishes for a rapid return to prosperity for all its employees.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 5:50 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Horizon Q400 fans, start the countdown clock.

Wouldn't the Q400 a more appropriate eqpt rather than the ATR?

It climbs faster - which is usefull for the overwater leg. Faster, and has a better one engine out performance.

But I agree for the slightly higher CASM (vs ATR)
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 7:15 pm

chrisair wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
So neighbor island travel for people on Oahu and Maui is now limited to ferries and C-208s?


I haven’t been on Mokulele in a few years, but not having to deal with the TSA was a real selling point. Roll up, get weighed, get on the plane and be in Molokai 15-20 minutes later.


I'd never fly anyone but Mokulele from Maui to MKK or LNY. Exactly as you said, check-in, get weighed & 30 minutes later you're on the other Island & the path out of Kahului up the Maui Coast, over the top of Maui & then the 10 miles across the channel then run along those gorgeous Molokai cliffs straight down to the Sea, it's magnificent, then a quick 180 after the leper colony & land to an airport out of the 50's
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 7:26 pm

FSDan wrote:
wedgetail737 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
And then there was one, of the ten U.S. marketing carriers and their affiliates with at least 0.5% of scheduled domestic passenger service, still operating props. Horizon Q400 fans, start the countdown clock.


AS/QX will keep their Q400's for a while.

Don't forget Silver Airways.


I'm guessing 3M doesn't meet the criterion "with at least 0.5% of scheduled domestic passenger service" given in MIflyer12's statement.


No, FSDan, Silver Airways does not. Interested parties might check the reported carriers in the DOT's Air Travel Consumer Report.

https://www.transportation.gov/individu ... mer-report

Only 32 of ALK's 94 props/regional jets listed in the last 10Q were Q400s (the other 62 were Horizon or SkyWest E75s), and the oldest are already 20 years old. On 12/31/2015, the count was 52 Q400s and 13 E75/CR7.

Type simplification really has become a thing for U.S. carriers (one that WN understood a long time ago). Even if you're contracting the flying, low numbers = economic death.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 8:19 pm

Another way to get to Lana'i is on Lanai Air operating Pilatus PC-12 aircraft. Although not 'scheduled' per se, currently both Four Seasons properties on Lana'i are offering free roundtrip air between HNL and LNY on Lanai Air if you book a stay and you basically dictate when you want the flights to operate! It's a great deal, and I believe it is running to the end of the year.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 8:40 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Only 32 of ALK's 94 props/regional jets listed in the last 10Q were Q400s (the other 62 were Horizon or SkyWest E75s), and the oldest are already 20 years old. On 12/31/2015, the count was 52 Q400s and 13 E75/CR7.

Type simplification really has become a thing for U.S. carriers (one that WN understood a long time ago). Even if you're contracting the flying, low numbers = economic death.

Yes, fleet simplicity reduces cost.

Though the types you keep need to be appropriate for your network.

Hawaiian ends up with a simple 717 fleet as backbone of its interisland.

ALK's Q400's and E75's both have about 76 seats so simplicity doesn't compromise capacity fit.

By contrast, big legacies like Delta have simplified in a way that retains too many widebodies for today's international demand, and recovery looks far away. Options to further simplify (retire old 763's?) worsen things by removing the smallest international platform.

I'd rather hold Hawaiian's or Alaska's hand of cards right now.

And I admire Hawaiian's realism.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 9:00 pm

Man, I remember back in the day it was Island Air running DH6 and later DH8 into MKK & LNY from HNL & OGG.
I believe HA had a once or twice a day D95 that did a round-robin HNL-MKK-LNY-HNL service.
This was going on at least through the 90s.

Now nothing more than PC-12 going into LNY & MKK?
Lanai is arguably my favorite Hawaiian Island.
I haven't visited since 2007ish but definitely want to get back.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 10:35 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Man, I remember back in the day it was Island Air running DH6 and later DH8 into MKK & LNY from HNL & OGG.
I believe HA had a once or twice a day D95 that did a round-robin HNL-MKK-LNY-HNL service.
This was going on at least through the 90s.

Now nothing more than PC-12 going into LNY & MKK?
Lanai is arguably my favorite Hawaiian Island.
I haven't visited since 2007ish but definitely want to get back.


I remember the Aloha IslandAir DHC-6 Twin Otter as well, but never flew on it. My first trip to MKK was on a Hawaiian Dash-7. Ended up taking Air Molokai Cessna 402s most of the time after that. Did take the DC-9 once, and return was on a Mahalo ATR-42. At that time I think it was two DC-9 trips per day, one HNL-MKK-LNY-HNL and one HNL-LNY-MKK-HNL. Hawaiian also codeshares on the Mahalo flights to offer additional frequencies.

PC-12 is just to LNY on Lanai Air. Otherwise it’s the Cessna 208 until the Southern/Mokulele Beech 1900s arrive.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 11:32 pm

The thing I find surprising is shutting down the cargo operation in addition to the passenger operation. I personally would’ve kept that going considering that there’s more demand for that instead of passenger service for the time being.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 11:42 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
And then there was one, of the ten U.S. marketing carriers and their affiliates with at least 0.5% of scheduled domestic passenger service, still operating props. Horizon Q400 fans, start the countdown clock.


AS/QX will keep their Q400's for a while.

Don't forget Silver Airways.

RAVN Alaska
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Fri May 28, 2021 11:43 pm

n9801f wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Only 32 of ALK's 94 props/regional jets listed in the last 10Q were Q400s (the other 62 were Horizon or SkyWest E75s), and the oldest are already 20 years old. On 12/31/2015, the count was 52 Q400s and 13 E75/CR7.

Type simplification really has become a thing for U.S. carriers (one that WN understood a long time ago). Even if you're contracting the flying, low numbers = economic death.

Yes, fleet simplicity reduces cost.

Though the types you keep need to be appropriate for your network.

Hawaiian ends up with a simple 717 fleet as backbone of its interisland.

ALK's Q400's and E75's both have about 76 seats so simplicity doesn't compromise capacity fit.

By contrast, big legacies like Delta have simplified in a way that retains too many widebodies for today's international demand, and recovery looks far away. Options to further simplify (retire old 763's?) worsen things by removing the smallest international platform.

I'd rather hold Hawaiian's or Alaska's hand of cards right now.

And I admire Hawaiian's realism.

Wasn’t it operated by empire? There no complexity to that besides paying the CPA
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Sat May 29, 2021 4:38 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Man, I remember back in the day it was Island Air running DH6 and later DH8 into MKK & LNY from HNL & OGG.
I believe HA had a once or twice a day D95 that did a round-robin HNL-MKK-LNY-HNL service.
This was going on at least through the 90s.

Now nothing more than PC-12 going into LNY & MKK?
Lanai is arguably my favorite Hawaiian Island.
I haven't visited since 2007ish but definitely want to get back.


I think it was DC-9-10s that Hawaiian flew to MKK and LNY. The runways are too short for a DC-9-50. Aloha also flew 737-200s to MKK.

Hawaiian even flew Convair 640s to Hana.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Sat May 29, 2021 6:03 am

BoeingGuy wrote:
I think it was DC-9-10s that Hawaiian flew to MKK and LNY. The runways are too short for a DC-9-50.


That’s possible when those were in the fleet. I wasn’t alive then. But I can personally confirm that the DC-9-50 was used as well, after the Dash-7 was retired from the fleet, having flown on it. Pretty sure there were weight restrictions on the flight.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Sat May 29, 2021 6:38 am

hawaiian717 wrote:
BoeingGuy wrote:
I think it was DC-9-10s that Hawaiian flew to MKK and LNY. The runways are too short for a DC-9-50.


That’s possible when those were in the fleet. I wasn’t alive then. But I can personally confirm that the DC-9-50 was used as well, after the Dash-7 was retired from the fleet, having flown on it. Pretty sure there were weight restrictions on the flight.


Are you sure it wasn't a -30? HA had those for awhile as well.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Sat May 29, 2021 3:30 pm



Maybe these will put doubts to rest. At MKK which is the shorter runway.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Sat May 29, 2021 6:45 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
Are you sure it wasn't a -30? HA had those for awhile as well.


Yes. Last -30 was out of the HA fleet by 1984, while the Dash 7 was in the fleet until 1994. My DC-9 flight to MKK was after the Dash 7 left.

HA DC-9 fleet: https://rzjets.net/aircraft/?parentid=6 ... frstatus=3

HA Dash 7 fleet: https://rzjets.net/aircraft/?parentid=6 ... frstatus=3
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Sat May 29, 2021 8:52 pm

Didn't HA operate the 717 to MKK and LNY in the early 2000s? IIRC, they offered a once daily round-robin mainline service from HNL to Molokai and Lanai. I'm guessing a mainline operation is technically feasible from those tiny Hawaiian airports, but the demand to support such flights just wasn't/isn't there.
 
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Re: Hawaiian Air shutting down Ohana

Sat May 29, 2021 10:01 pm

I flew to MKK on Hawaiian in the late 70s on a DC-9-30. One of the F/As mentioned they referred to it as “Spike”. At the time, I think it was the last passenger -30 in the fleet. (Flying time was 12 minutes, but they still had time to serve pineapple juice).

For the record, a DC-9-10 will use more runway than a -30 or a -50.

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