I don’t claim to know the exact retirement benefits package at WN, but I know the main vehicle is a 401k. The 401k is owned by the employee, and funded by employer contributions. After retirement, I don’t think there would be any means for the company to take back the funding. Possibly, other post retirement benefits could be withheld. How such conduct ever finds its way into a cockpit is a total mystery to me, and I definitely have never seen anything even remotely approaching that level of stupidity.
The guy most likely took one of the early-out offers last year, before this came to light. The early-out package guaranteed benefits and a paycheck until he turned 65. With the loss of that compensation package, I’m sure he still has a 401k that’s probably worth millions of dollars
Exactly, he may have lost some peripheral benefits, but he’s probably financially intact. I’ll leave to others to comment on if that is just, or not.
I'm no lawyer, but now that he's admitted guilt in the criminal matter, he very well could be facing a civil suit from the victim.
The BBC link says:
US Magistrate Judge J Mark Coulson told Haak that his behaviour had had a traumatic effect on the first officer and could have affected the safety of passengers.
Seems like the basis for a "pain and suffering" lawsuit is in place.
We are reading about it here, as it occurred on an airplane.
But in reality, in what world, at any job, in any circumstance, at any time would this be considered acceptable behaviour? Honestly, what was the man thinking?
These people are sexually and emotionally defective and are not mature adults. This is nothing unusual - look at the MLB coach trying to expose his junk to female reporters, look at Matt Lauer, Harvey Weinstein, etc. Some men are defective enough to simply assume any random female wants to be part of their exhibitionist nonsense.
I am equally appalled by the total lack of professionalism. If you have weird interests, fine, but keep them out of the way of your job. Is five seconds of -whatever- worth losing a career over? Apparently for these freaks, it is.
Add Lamar Jackson to your list, google his name for details.
""It started as a consensual prank between me and the other pilot. I never imagined it would turn into this in a thousand years."
The pilot fully admits to the act. Why does nobody believe him?
I have a friend who hates women after making three bad experiences in a row. The first was with a female coworker. They sent each other dirt jokes. He sent her a joke in which a man says "I want to f... you in the a.. . Oh, I just see you are a woman. Never mind. "
He was fired. He went to court. At the court he argued that she earlier sent him following joke:
A family sits together in a car and sings "I want to f... you in the a.. .". It turns out it's an add for a language learning app.
The victim woman didn't deny sending that joke.
The female judge ruled that her joke was funny while his wasn't and that he is rightfully fired. Including the judge it's four bad experiences.
Before any further judgement is passed on the pilot I would like to know more about the female pilot. Is she known for dirty jokes/ suggesting pranks?
The supposed aggressor is 60. Any other female pilots have any stories to share? Hard to imagine somebody starts harassing women for the first time with 60, unless some organic brain damage happened.
Most likely it was a prank.
If it turns out that the female pilot is known for dirty jokes and languages, what to do with her?
I see where you are coming from, but two wrongs don't make a right. You have to be clean, you can't expect a co-worker to cover for you. Maybe he feels badly done, but he gave them the ammo to shoot at him. Courts may have their biases, that's why you don't let it come to that.
One learns to just not make jokes at work, never mind exposing private parts. The places I've worked have had people of many different age groups, races, sexual orientations, ethnicities, cultures and of course both genders and whatever lies in between. The odds of stepping on someone's toes are just too high. I kinda have been lucky. I have said a few things in company settings that had some official and unofficial push back, but luckily nothing too serious. I try to learn from my mistakes, but in retrospect I should have been more careful. Whatever joke / comment I made wasn't worth risking my job over.
I've read a lot of posts on this forum from older pilots, and it seems the full reality of the current world just hasn't sunken in yet. I can see how a sixty year old pilot who has been with the same company for 27 years let the sky god complex make him feel he could do anything he wanted in the cockpit, including gettting naked and getting out a laptop and watching porn, then try to sluff it all off as a joke gone wrong.