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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:20 am

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easyJet have announced they will return to BHD with a double daily service to LGW starting on the of 9th July 2021

https://www.belfastcityairport.com/news ... ty-airport


That's great news! BHD has been without a LGW link for several years now. I have a few friends that live south of LGW and it has been a pain, and extra time/money to trek to BFS, when I only live a very short train ride from BHD.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Fri Jun 18, 2021 4:52 pm

The Oireachtas Committee on Transport and Communications has "strongly recommended" the immediate roll-out of a rapid antigen testing pilot programme for aviation.

www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0618/1 ... n-testing/

From the language being used in various TD interviews they seem to suggest that you will still need a test even fully vaccinated with an EU Digital Covid Certificate.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:35 pm

EI and FR - and the difference is no longer easy to measure with the new self defeating EI carry on bag charge. Details below.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new ... 43725.html

In a curious comment on how we live now, a former tourist office in Limerick City is now becoming a Covid testing centre!
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Fri Jun 18, 2021 6:49 pm

dstc47 wrote:
EI and FR - and the difference is no longer easy to measure with the new self defeating EI carry on bag charge. Details below.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new ... 43725.html


While I always buy priority boarding on Aer Lingus (so this won't change anything for me), I still think bringing this while we're still in lockdown and unable to travel is a really stupid move.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:56 pm

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From the language being used in various TD interviews they seem to suggest that you will still need a test even fully vaccinated with an EU Digital Covid Certificate.

I sincerely hope this will not be the case - otherwise what is the point of the EU DCC at all? It would be the same situation as last summer when there was no vaccine, and no protection for the vulnerable at all. Yet 12 months later with a successful (albeit slow) vaccine rollout taking place, there is talk that travel restrictions would be no different? In that case we can say goodbye to travel for good. If vaccination doesn't facilitate travel, then what will? Covid is not going to disappear - it will become endemic and part of life so we have to learn to live with it like we do the flu. I do think there is a lot of confusion around how exactly this will work come 19th July and I'm hoping these TDs are simply just getting things mixed up as are a lot of people - because no clear guidance has been offered as to how it will work.

The government press release from the 28th May (and supposedly updated 10 days ago) states this:

"...passengers with a DCC [digital covid certificate] based on a non-PCR test (for example, antigen), or those arriving without a DCC, will require proof of a negative RT-PCR test taken no more than 72 hours before arrival."

So whilst this does not explicitly state that vaccinated travellers won't have to be tested, you can infer that only those without a DCC or those who have a DCC based on an antigen test will have to be tested.

Further along the statement in relation to travel from outside the EU it says:

"If passenger has valid proof of vaccination, no travel-related testing or quarantine will be necessary."

So again we can infer that if they are happy for some vaccinated travellers from outside the EU to enter Ireland without testing, travel from inside the EU should surely not require testing for those who are vaccinated.

https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/789 ... nal-travel
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:30 pm

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EI-HEN -Ryanair’s first Boeing 737 8-200 - landing on runway 28L a few minutes ago. The aircraft was being delivered from Boeing Field in Seattle


Image


https://twitter.com/dublinairport/statu ... 46280?s=21


Can this operate out of BHD?
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sat Jun 19, 2021 7:48 am

Yet again, Ireland has not provided data to the EU-reopen site. Only country within the EU missing, yet again.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:03 am

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Yet again, Ireland has not provided data to the EU-reopen site. Only country within the EU missing, yet again.


Ask the Russians they probably have the data ! The data cant be provided because its not really known. Its a mess. A friend of mine who will be relying on the EU digital travel certificate for work from 19/7 called the helpline yesterday to see when his second dose would be and he is not even on the system as having his first.

4 weeks out where is the App needed to download the QR code ?
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:49 am

dstc47 wrote:
EI and FR - and the difference is no longer easy to measure with the new self defeating EI carry on bag charge. Details below.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new ... 43725.html

In a curious comment on how we live now, a former tourist office in Limerick City is now becoming a Covid testing centre!


Agree about the new cabin baggage policy - a regressive move IMO. One of the few key differentiators between the two airlines is the less “headachy” EI experience. There’s less risk of being “caught out” by something (a cabin bag being an inch too big, or needing to take a second piece etc) which creates a feeling of being more at ease when flying EI.

For those of us with status we’ll probably benefit from this policy, but that’s hardly the point. I think this is the wrong direction for EI.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:22 pm

dstc47 wrote:
EI and FR - and the difference is no longer easy to measure with the new self defeating EI carry on bag charge. Details below.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/new ... ts-1143725.


Idiotic time to introduce such a policy.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sat Jun 19, 2021 5:08 pm

First one of these diversions I've seen reported in quite a while.
http://clareherald.com/2021/06/flight-d ... ger-57878/
Nice touch to include link to FlightRadar24 in the article.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:10 am

The ‘gaping gap’ in Ireland’s airspace defence
State unable to detect who is flying in region unless aircraft actively alerts authorities

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-n ... 4?mode=amp

Interesting read and wonder if the government will ever go with any of the options mentioned .
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:54 am

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The ‘gaping gap’ in Ireland’s airspace defence
State unable to detect who is flying in region unless aircraft actively alerts authorities

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/ ... 4?mode=amp

Interesting read and wonder if the government will ever go with any of the options mentioned .

The timing is funny. I’ve been watching the same discussion on another Irish aviation chat room;
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthr ... 2058192723
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:57 am

OA260 wrote:
The ‘gaping gap’ in Ireland’s airspace defence
State unable to detect who is flying in region unless aircraft actively alerts authorities

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/ ... 4?mode=amp

Interesting read and wonder if the government will ever go with any of the options mentioned .


A great read indeed. If I was in the "underground import / export business" I would certainly be using Ireland as my entry point for shipping due to the lack of radar and so on. if this is the case. I'll be interested to see if they end up spending the cash on those radars.

I was unaware of the recruitment problem (low pay?) and I was amused how it's a throw away one liner that the Irish has capability in all areas, which may not necessarily be up to international standard, except air. You'd think getting them up to international standard would be a good idea. Can't be fun being a member of the Army and using spears and rocks to attack when other countries are using machine guns now ;)

Either way, the new aircraft will have to be sorted as the current fleet is due to retire in 2025, so decisions will need to be made sooner rather than later to get them on order.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sun Jun 20, 2021 4:54 pm

Govt travel policy differs from CMO's advice - Varadkar

The Tánaiste has said that people who are not fully vaccinated against Covid-19 can travel abroad, but they will need the Digital Covid Certificate and negative PCR tests before they return to Ireland.

www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0620/1 ... s-ireland/


Maybe an idea to fund one PCR test this Summer for the under 30’s who through no fault of their own will be left with a bill .
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Sun Jun 20, 2021 10:17 pm

OA260 wrote:
Govt travel policy differs from CMO's advice - Varadkar

The Tánaiste has said that people who are not fully vaccinated against Covid-19 can travel abroad, but they will need the Digital Covid Certificate and negative PCR tests before they return to Ireland.

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021 ... s-ireland/


Maybe an idea to fund one PCR test this Summer for the under 30’s who through no fault of their own will be left with a bill .


The issue is though, for those still unvaccinated they’ll most likely only need an antigen test to leave the republic given almost all other European countries are satisfied with antigen, it’s a PCR that’s needed on return so a government subsidised one wouldn’t really work as it’d have to be done on the far end before coming home.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 9:16 am

eidvm wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Govt travel policy differs from CMO's advice - Varadkar

The Tánaiste has said that people who are not fully vaccinated against Covid-19 can travel abroad, but they will need the Digital Covid Certificate and negative PCR tests before they return to Ireland.

http://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021 ... s-ireland/


Maybe an idea to fund one PCR test this Summer for the under 30’s who through no fault of their own will be left with a bill .


The issue is though, for those still unvaccinated they’ll most likely only need an antigen test to leave the republic given almost all other European countries are satisfied with antigen, it’s a PCR that’s needed on return so a government subsidised one wouldn’t really work as it’d have to be done on the far end before coming home.


Indeed but it could be managed by revenue where people already upload a receipt for medical expenses to get credit. So at least the system is in place. Anyone who wanted to avail of that credit would upload their PCR test receipt within the age range that have to wait for their vaccinations. It would be a gesture that Im sure many young people would appreciate. Especially given the costs of a PCR test in Ireland on return. One per person so as not to have it abused.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:18 am

Norwegian to ditch Irish flying certificate

Scandinavian carrier Norwegian plans to ditch its Irish air operator certificate, even after an examiner told the High Court in recent months that the continuance of the Ireland-based Norwegian Air International unit was critical to the airline’s survival.

www.independent.ie/business/irish/norwe ... 60686.html

As expected Norwegian to give up its Irish certificate .
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 11:33 am

FR resumes the seasonal SNN-TRN route for Winter 2021/22. It last operated on a similar schedule in 2008/09.

https://www.shannonairport.ie/passenger ... n-airport/
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:16 pm

OA260 wrote:
Indeed but it could be managed by revenue where people already upload a receipt for medical expenses to get credit. So at least the system is in place. Anyone who wanted to avail of that credit would upload their PCR test receipt within the age range that have to wait for their vaccinations. It would be a gesture that Im sure many young people would appreciate. Especially given the costs of a PCR test in Ireland on return. One per person so as not to have it abused.


Luckily the UK have been collecting reams of data on travellers retuning from overseas. It is worth remembering that all arrivals require a PCR test on day 2. Amber countries additionally require a pre-arrival rapid test, also a day 8 PCR, all funded by the traveller. These tests must be booked prior to arrival in the UK and this has depressed demand significantly. The times torpor's today that the overall prevalence from Amber countries is 0.4% and no variants of concern were detected in the period May 20th to June 9th. Given that the vaccination program really did not get much wind in the sails until around Easter the majority of these traveller are unlikely to be fully vaccinated, so I think these figure are very encouraging.
Given the figures we now have access to, I think a rapid test before flight around T-48 is sensible, given the large number of people who will be exposed to each other in close proximity at airports and in the air. A day 2 test seems sensible, others can argue the benefit of PCR Vs Rapid Antigen. But if you are trying to identify variants of concern then the argument for a PCR is strengthened. If travellers are vaccinated I would argue that the testing regimens on entry are to protect public health and should be funded by the health service.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:20 pm

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Norwegian to ditch Irish flying certificate

Scandinavian carrier Norwegian plans to ditch its Irish air operator certificate, even after an examiner told the High Court in recent months that the continuance of the Ireland-based Norwegian Air International unit was critical to the airline’s survival.

http://www.independent.ie/business/iris ... 60686.html

As expected Norwegian to give up its Irish certificate .


In effect, they misled the court?
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:23 pm

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But if you are trying to identify variants of concern then the argument for a PCR is strengthened. If travellers are vaccinated I would argue that the testing regimens on entry are to protect public health and should be funded by the health service.


‘In effect the entire population is paying for the privileged few’ would be the response from the left.

In Germany the disaster porn industry continues. With an incident rate of 8.8 per 100,000 the radio and TV is blaring ‘DELTA VARIANT IS COMING TO DEVOUR US’. They seem to follow the joe Duffy school of outrage over nothing.

I’m saying that, the reopening of the German economy is moving nicely. To go to a restaurant or shop you need a newer than 24hr quick test. These are free and available anywhere. Many are drive in and they take minutes from start to finish.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:37 pm

Aer Lingus seem to be further axing the TATL routes until 15/8.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:55 pm

BrianDromey wrote:
OA260 wrote:
Indeed but it could be managed by revenue where people already upload a receipt for medical expenses to get credit. So at least the system is in place. Anyone who wanted to avail of that credit would upload their PCR test receipt within the age range that have to wait for their vaccinations. It would be a gesture that Im sure many young people would appreciate. Especially given the costs of a PCR test in Ireland on return. One per person so as not to have it abused.


Luckily the UK have been collecting reams of data on travellers retuning from overseas. It is worth remembering that all arrivals require a PCR test on day 2. Amber countries additionally require a pre-arrival rapid test, also a day 8 PCR, all funded by the traveller. These tests must be booked prior to arrival in the UK and this has depressed demand significantly. The times torpor's today that the overall prevalence from Amber countries is 0.4% and no variants of concern were detected in the period May 20th to June 9th. Given that the vaccination program really did not get much wind in the sails until around Easter the majority of these traveller are unlikely to be fully vaccinated, so I think these figure are very encouraging.
Given the figures we now have access to, I think a rapid test before flight around T-48 is sensible, given the large number of people who will be exposed to each other in close proximity at airports and in the air. A day 2 test seems sensible, others can argue the benefit of PCR Vs Rapid Antigen. But if you are trying to identify variants of concern then the argument for a PCR is strengthened. If travellers are vaccinated I would argue that the testing regimens on entry are to protect public health and should be funded by the health service.


It’s also worth noting in the UK figures, the positive results were from just 16 countries. The other 151 had not a single infected passenger.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:15 pm

BestWestern wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
But if you are trying to identify variants of concern then the argument for a PCR is strengthened. If travellers are vaccinated I would argue that the testing regimens on entry are to protect public health and should be funded by the health service.


‘In effect the entire population is paying for the privileged few’ would be the response from the left.


It's one argument, but it is a bit "Joe Duffy", as you say. Many have been saying for a long time now, we are an island and can't just close our borders, look at the billions of subsidy we spend or tax income we forego for FDI. Testing is an investment in the country and the ability to function close to normally. It also allows for the collection of detailed variant data, if collected in the correct way, as the UK seem to be doing. I would also suggest that the state paying the collective bill and clogging up lab resources might focus the mind as to the necessity of such a blanket testing policy where individuals are expected to pick up the tab.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:23 pm

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Aer Lingus seem to be further axing the TATL routes until 15/8.


Plus another round of route temp cuts/reductions to accommodate Stobart routes in Europe.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 2:34 pm

AmricanShamrok wrote:
FR resumes the seasonal SNN-TRN route for Winter 2021/22. It last operated on a similar schedule in 2008/09.

https://www.shannonairport.ie/passenger ... n-airport/


FR is expanding TRN and making it a small focus city- a new maintenance facility will also shortly open. Many very interesting new routes are being added- Blue Air, which also has a small TRN base, tried a similar move a few years ago and failed.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:03 pm

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Luckily the UK have been collecting reams of data on travellers retuning from overseas. It is worth remembering that all arrivals require a PCR test on day 2.


Just in case anyone takes your all arrives to mean just that, it doesn't include arrivals from the Republic of Ireland. We can go to the UK as we please and have no restrictions or testing requirements whatsoever.
 
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Mon Jun 21, 2021 3:49 pm

ClassicLover wrote:
BrianDromey wrote:
Luckily the UK have been collecting reams of data on travellers retuning from overseas. It is worth remembering that all arrivals require a PCR test on day 2.


Just in case anyone takes your all arrives to mean just that, it doesn't include arrivals from the Republic of Ireland. We can go to the UK as we please and have no restrictions or testing requirements whatsoever.


Yes, that is true. For the sake of ultimate pedantry England does not have arrival testing or quarantine requirements for CTA arrivals. Wales and Scotland follow the English example. Jersey does not, I'm not sure about Guernsey or the Isle of Mann?

I see on another site that Ireland is in negotiation with the US and UK for EU Green Pass-style travel arrangements. There is some mention of the 19th of July, depending on reciprocity. I'm not sure that reciprocity has any place in a pandemic, either a country/territory/region is safe based on the available data or it is not.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:28 am

Lynne Embleton is at the Oireachtas today and will be interesting to hear her comments.

Aer Lingus chief to call for passenger rapid antigen tests

The Chief Executive of Aer Lingus will tell an Oireachtas committee later today that restrictive travel policy and a lack of sector specific supports represents a "critical risk to aviation jobs and connectivity".

www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0622/12296 ... ireachtas/



People flying abroad can get free PCR test to avail of Digital Cert

People wanting to fly abroad when travel restrictions are lifted next month will be able to get a free PCR test from the HSE to obtain an EU Digital Covid Cert (DCC).

www.independent.ie/irish-news/people-fl ... 65718.html

I wonder if this will be expanded for returning passengers also.





Figures show Ireland at the bottom of the table for aviation recovery
Ireland's traffic levels at less than 25% while rest of Europe hit milestone 50% level on Sunday

www.irishexaminer.com/business/economy/ ... l?type=amp
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 10:22 am

I listened in for a short while. Doubled down on SNN base closure and they will not accept any conditions on State support (particularly on SNN). Preference for supports such as extension of EWSS until end of Q1 2022, rebate of airport changes or specific route support. Good way to secure funding without conditions!

Emerald discussions apparently going well and they denied Aer Lingus LHR slots were used as security for IAG to secure funding. Apparently it would have required Goverment approval.

Nothing new was really discussed.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:11 pm

OA260 wrote:
People flying abroad can get free PCR test to avail of Digital Cert

People wanting to fly abroad when travel restrictions are lifted next month will be able to get a free PCR test from the HSE to obtain an EU Digital Covid Cert (DCC).

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pe ... 65718.html

I wonder if this will be expanded for returning passengers also. —


It already applies for returning passengers. On outward travel, I would be less sure that this will actually happen.
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 3:37 pm

Aer Lingus certainly trying to claw the money back with some of their Christmas Winter sun fares. Some Advantage tickets are over €1200 per person to ACE.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:18 pm

I hope all those accusing the Government on inaction over aviation listened to the latest EI appearance before the Dail Transport Committee. EI are happy to receive Government funds but will not accept any conditions! As a result they prefer to receive the funds via any/all Covid "back door" payments!
That coupled with the new cabin baggage fees and the quite extraordinary winter fares suggest EI is playing to a different tune!
What's the difference between FR and EI? One in blue, white and some yellow and the other is white with blushes of green.
The four stars are certainly gone and guests are now cargo! I wonder why?
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 4:56 pm

Fliplot wrote:
I hope all those accusing the Government on inaction over aviation listened to the latest EI appearance before the Dail Transport Committee. EI are happy to receive Government funds but will not accept any conditions! As a result they prefer to receive the funds via any/all Covid "back door" payments!
That coupled with the new cabin baggage fees and the quite extraordinary winter fares suggest EI is playing to a different tune!
What's the difference between FR and EI? One in blue, white and some yellow and the other is white with blushes of green.
The four stars are certainly gone and guests are now cargo! I wonder why?


I will agree there is a lack of engagement from Aer Lingus on funding. Putting any conditions that could be attached aside we learned they have not engaged or very limited with the Goverment even on the alternative funding such as airport charges rebates which will have no significant conditions.

Perhaps they have taken the view the cost cutting measures they want to drive through are a bigger benefit to the company rather than State support.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:17 pm

Fliplot wrote:
I hope all those accusing the Government on inaction over aviation listened to the latest EI appearance before the Dail Transport Committee. EI are happy to receive Government funds but will not accept any conditions! As a result they prefer to receive the funds via any/all Covid "back door" payments!


Why should they ? They were forced to basically shut down the majority of their business for 15 months and loose €1 million a day . As for Covid payments they are to stop the people of this country going into a modern day famine. Without the PUP / EWSS we would be like a third world country asking for Christian Aid handouts .

All those Aviation workers are being kept on life support on heavily reduced wages by order of the government. So the government must pay and they should be paying more . I would cut all politicians wages by 25% so they can live in the real world.

If the government want conditions attached then they owe Aer Lingus €1 million a day x 15 months !
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:34 pm

Not an opinion I agree with! But thats fine too. I do thunk you will find that its covid that has caused the damage and it has effected all. Even if Ireland was fully ooen there are many obsticles in other countries. Id be inclined to ask why EI's comoetitors sre offering more services to Ireland than the hone carrier is? Or why FR can run so many services out of DUB even ORK or SNN and EI cant?
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 5:50 pm

OA260 wrote:
People flying abroad can get free PCR test to avail of Digital Cert

People wanting to fly abroad when travel restrictions are lifted next month will be able to get a free PCR test from the HSE to obtain an EU Digital Covid Cert (DCC).

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pe ... 65718.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4600388

And now they're saying thats not the case :roll:

"HSE will not provide free PCR tests to unvaccinated for travel purposes, Minister says"
 
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Tue Jun 22, 2021 6:15 pm

Phen wrote:
OA260 wrote:
People flying abroad can get free PCR test to avail of Digital Cert

People wanting to fly abroad when travel restrictions are lifted next month will be able to get a free PCR test from the HSE to obtain an EU Digital Covid Cert (DCC).

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/pe ... 65718.html

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ ... -1.4600388

And now they're saying thats not the case :roll:

"HSE will not provide free PCR tests to unvaccinated for travel purposes, Minister says"


People keep asking me about 19/7 and the EU digital
certificate and basically I was generally positive about it but then I read an article today where a minister said the HSE will email everyone their certs ! After reading that Im slightly concerned and that does not install confidence that those of us that want / need them will indeed get them in time . Such is the mistrust of the HSE and mixed messages as you just highlighted. No wonder the Irish public are confused about travel . Still no updates about an App with QR code . All quite concerning . It will not give people much time to prepare.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:28 pm

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Aer Lingus certainly trying to claw the money back with some of their Christmas Winter sun fares. Some Advantage tickets are over €1200 per person to ACE.

I wonder if this is a function of the bottled up demand. As you have a 15 month backlog of vouchers which have ensured that most flights are booked up well in advance of a normal year. Thus only the last few seats are available. In a normal year you would expect a “winter sun sale” to happen in September. I doubt there will be any need this year.

This has an additional effect in that even if EI have 90% load factor from July till December it still won’t translate into the ‘normal’ level of revenue. As so many of those tickets were purchased in 2020 or early 2021.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:35 pm

Maybe EI are charging what the market will bear? Or are they putting flights on sale while waiting to see what happens over the next few weeks and months in respect of government guidelines for travel?
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Tue Jun 22, 2021 8:22 pm

As per the example given will the market settle on a €1200 fare for what is a €450 ticket? If you refuse to refund cash or/and issue vouchers, and at the same time are still loosing €1m per week, then you will end up in a difficult spot. In preserving cash EI have butchered the next 12 months revenue. A difficult position!
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Wed Jun 23, 2021 4:50 am

One assumes the EI loses of €1m per week are predominantly related to aircraft leases and insurance? Similar to all airlines with leased aircraft. Would it not have been better for Government's to step in, have leasing comoanies or their funders freeze payments with guarantees and add to lease periods once aircraft are flying again? Never flying again would be a negotiated settlement with the lessors! No doubt there are a thousand reasons why this would not work but...???
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:28 am

Fliplot wrote:
One assumes the EI loses of €1m per week


Aer Lingus still losing more than €1m a day

www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2021/0622/12296 ... ireachtas/
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Wed Jun 23, 2021 7:46 am

If EI need support badly enough, they will accept any conditions the government would attach to it (as a lender of last support). My reading of this, is that they don't need and don't want support (or are at least trying to get concessions from the government).

As for the fares, I believe there is enough spare capacity in the overall market this winter that we will see some very cheap fares and deals. While there will be a certain demand for sun holidays, business travel will not be coming back so quick. EI can try charge €1200, but if they get away with it, I can see those routes flooded with blue/white/yellow aircraft
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Wed Jun 23, 2021 8:16 am

Staff from US firm to join DAA at Dublin Airport
Bechtel workers to become part of airport’s existing team to aid capital spending programme

www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-a ... 9?mode=amp

DAA looking to the future to when passenger numbers start to rise again .



Belfast City Airport reports £16m hit from 2020 Covid catastrophe

BELFAST City Airport took a £16.3 million hit and lost almost two million passengers against the backdrop of the Covid-19 pandemic last year.

www.irishnews.com/business/2021/06/22/n ... e-2362951/

Losses not bad considering it could have been a lot worse had the Domestic network have not restarted until much later .



EasyJet returns to East Midlands Airport for the first time since 2009 with flights to Belfast

www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/local-n ... 545198.amp

Good to see the route back with some great fares too.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:07 pm

Ryanair have now cancelled most of their July flights from Ireland.

I think we can safely assume there will not be any form of summer travel season this year. What a disaster.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Wed Jun 23, 2021 3:53 pm

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Ryanair have now cancelled most of their July flights from Ireland.

I think we can safely assume there will not be any form of summer travel season this year. What a disaster.


The adjustments look minor unless they are still updating.
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Wed Jun 23, 2021 10:52 pm

The first revenue flight of FR's 7M8 (EI-HEN) took place this evening on the DUB-STN route.

To much fanfare and excitement Ryanair launches the first commercial Boeing 737-8200 flight from Dublin to Stansted this evening.

Enthusiasts gathered near the perimeter roads at Dublin Airport and Stansted to witness the departure and arrival of this super new aircraft on its inaugural revenue generating mission. The 8200's Leap engines propelled the aircraft skywards leaving a miniscule noise signature on departure. The aircraft was Captained by Ryanair Chief Pilot, Aidan Murray (who delivered the first 8200 from Seattle to Dublin last week) and assisted by recent AFTA graduate, First Officer, Frances Quinn.

Ryanair’s pilots have completed comprehensive 8200 differences training in preparation for entry to service of this magnificent addition to the fleet. Well done to all, onwards and upwards and best wishes and safe flying to all at Ryanair.


https://www.facebook.com/AtlanticFlightTrainingAcademy
 
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Re: Irish 6/21: Sunshine after the rain

Thu Jun 24, 2021 8:14 am

EirTrade to boost its jet-stripping business as demand returns to aviation sector

EirTrade, the Irish aircraft parts seller, plans to start buying more old aircraft to disassemble after its business significantly improved over recent months.

https://m.independent.ie/business/irish ... 74162.html

At least that sector is picking up.



Ryanair calls on Eamon Ryan to explain why he is failing to reopen Ireland for air travel

www.joe.ie/amp/news/ryanair-calls-eamon ... vel-724737
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