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XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:17 pm

From their Facebook page.

https://www.facebook.com/85700088782077 ... 029296021/

Probably long awaited LCC service for the region. F9, G4, maybe SY?

My money is on G4, as they are fairly strong in ND.

There will be an ➡️important announcement ⬅️related to a new air carrier service ✈ next Tuesday, June 8 at 9am!

This announcement will be held in XWA's main terminal lobby at 14127 Jensen Lane.

Per federal law, face masks are required for in-person attendance inside the airport.

The announcement will also be broadcast live on 660 KEYZ News Radio and live streamed to the XWA page and shared to the City of Williston page.
 
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Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:19 pm

Might be related to the UA news but they already serve that airport with a route to DEN
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:32 pm

Cboyle wrote:
Might be related to the UA news but they already serve that airport with a route to DEN

United's is looking like it's branding-related
 
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Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:01 pm

They currently only have 3 flights a day -- UA (2x) & DL (1x). G4 would be my guess, seeing how they already have 4 ND destinations. I could definitely see starting service to LAS and AZA, possibly SFB. Other than that, I don't see it being anyone else.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:15 pm

Avelo?
 
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Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:17 pm

airlinepeanuts wrote:
Avelo?

That wouldn’t surprise me they go to some pretty weird places
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:18 pm

Wneast wrote:
airlinepeanuts wrote:
Avelo?

That wouldn’t surprise me they go to some pretty weird places


Yeah and I think Williston attracts new airlines, was it one of California Pacific Air's routes?
 
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Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:19 pm

airlinepeanuts wrote:
Wneast wrote:
airlinepeanuts wrote:
Avelo?

That wouldn’t surprise me they go to some pretty weird places


Yeah and I think Williston attracts new airlines, was it one of California Pacific Air's routes?

I’m not sure about that
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:45 pm

airlinepeanuts wrote:
Wneast wrote:
airlinepeanuts wrote:
Avelo?

That wouldn’t surprise me they go to some pretty weird places


Yeah and I think Williston attracts new airlines, was it one of California Pacific Air's routes?


It was, actually it was an EAS contract that the airline that CP bought that had it. I believe it was Dynamic something or another.

Anyway, during the very brief period that CP flew it was a complete disaster and they lost the contract.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:47 pm

SY or G4 to Vegas
 
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Wed Jun 02, 2021 11:56 pm

Didn’t avelo send in a letter of support for XWA ?
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:02 am

Nonrevhell wrote:
airlinepeanuts wrote:
Wneast wrote:
That wouldn’t surprise me they go to some pretty weird places


Yeah and I think Williston attracts new airlines, was it one of California Pacific Air's routes?


It was, actually it was an EAS contract that the airline that CP bought that had it. I believe it was Dynamic something or another.

Anyway, during the very brief period that CP flew it was a complete disaster and they lost the contract.


No, Williston was not a Cal Pac location. Their EAS routes were Watertown, SD (ATY)- Pierre, SD (PIR)- DEN.
XWA has only been served by DL* & UA*, and ISN before that has had that, plus , let's see, RealWest, Frontier, Apache, Big Sky, Pioneer, Great Lakes, and I believe they got off EAS during ZK debacle but as boardings skyrocketed due to oil business.
Hopefully they get something good. How about AA* to DFW?
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:10 am

will be sun country to LAS MSP RSW
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:14 am

AA from DFW?
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:16 am

sprxUSA wrote:
XWA has only been served by DL* & UA*, and ISN before that has had that, plus , let's see, RealWest, Frontier, Apache, Big Sky, Pioneer, Great Lakes, and I believe they got off EAS during ZK debacle but as boardings skyrocketed due to oil business.
Hopefully they get something good. How about AA* to DFW?


AA adding XWA-DFW nonstop service might be a possibility with the petroleum industry ties that are there between Western North Dakota and Texas.

UA adding XWA-IAH nonstop service might also be a possibility with the petroleum industry ties that are there between North Dakota and Greater Houston.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:06 am

jplatts wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
XWA has only been served by DL* & UA*, and ISN before that has had that, plus , let's see, RealWest, Frontier, Apache, Big Sky, Pioneer, Great Lakes, and I believe they got off EAS during ZK debacle but as boardings skyrocketed due to oil business.
Hopefully they get something good. How about AA* to DFW?


AA adding XWA-DFW nonstop service might be a possibility with the petroleum industry ties that are there between Western North Dakota and Texas.

UA adding XWA-IAH nonstop service might also be a possibility with the petroleum industry ties that are there between North Dakota and Greater Houston.


UA did fly a daily ISN-IAH before the new airport was built.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 12:32 pm

freakyrat wrote:
jplatts wrote:
sprxUSA wrote:
XWA has only been served by DL* & UA*, and ISN before that has had that, plus , let's see, RealWest, Frontier, Apache, Big Sky, Pioneer, Great Lakes, and I believe they got off EAS during ZK debacle but as boardings skyrocketed due to oil business.
Hopefully they get something good. How about AA* to DFW?


AA adding XWA-DFW nonstop service might be a possibility with the petroleum industry ties that are there between Western North Dakota and Texas.

UA adding XWA-IAH nonstop service might also be a possibility with the petroleum industry ties that are there between North Dakota and Greater Houston.


UA did fly a daily ISN-IAH before the new airport was built.


Correct, they did fly that route. Then, oil tanked and much of the Baaken region shut down drilling, thus ending the flights.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:02 pm

AS to SEA with E-175's? LOL!
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:29 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
They currently only have 3 flights a day -- UA (2x) & DL (1x). G4 would be my guess, seeing how they already have 4 ND destinations. I could definitely see starting service to LAS and AZA, possibly SFB. Other than that, I don't see it being anyone else.


Want to try again, Delta isn't serving XWA at this point, and it remains to be seen if they'll ever go back. With the consolidation of RJ's at Delta Connection, I could see XWA being gone for good.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:32 pm

Delta starts service June 5th to MSP. Some sort of grant or subsidy involved, i believe
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:39 pm

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Delta starts service June 5th to MSP. Some sort of grant or subsidy involved, i believe


I see that now, at-risk OO flying, on a 200. Not long for this life, I'm afraid, with the 200's going by 2023.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:44 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
Delta starts service June 5th to MSP. Some sort of grant or subsidy involved, i believe


I see that now, at-risk OO flying, on a 200. Not long for this life, I'm afraid, with the 200's going by 2023.


Not necessarily. Pre-pandemic, MSP service was on 170's at one point. Sure, XWA is beholden to trends in oil to an extent, but the city has grown to a point where it can support more service when oil is down.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:47 pm

tys777 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
RJNUT wrote:
Delta starts service June 5th to MSP. Some sort of grant or subsidy involved, i believe


I see that now, at-risk OO flying, on a 200. Not long for this life, I'm afraid, with the 200's going by 2023.


Not necessarily. Pre-pandemic, MSP service was on 170's at one point. Sure, XWA is beholden to trends in oil to an extent, but the city has grown to a point where it can support more service when oil is down.


It's not about what a city can/can't do, it's about the limited number of airframes at Delta Connection. There are only 50ish CR2's in active Delta Connection capacity purchase agreement type flying, with another 15-20 at OO being used for at-risk/EAS flying. On top of that, the number of 76 seat RJ's had to be reduced by 35 because of the lack of a flow-down option for the Delta pilots. A lot of places are never going to see the flying they did pre-Covid, simply due to the lack of airframes at this point.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 1:52 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
tys777 wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:

I see that now, at-risk OO flying, on a 200. Not long for this life, I'm afraid, with the 200's going by 2023.


Not necessarily. Pre-pandemic, MSP service was on 170's at one point. Sure, XWA is beholden to trends in oil to an extent, but the city has grown to a point where it can support more service when oil is down.


It's not about what a city can/can't do, it's about the limited number of airframes at Delta Connection. There are only 50ish CR2's in active Delta Connection capacity purchase agreement type flying, with another 15-20 at OO being used for at-risk/EAS flying. On top of that, the number of 76 seat RJ's had to be reduced by 35 because of the lack of a flow-down option for the Delta pilots. A lot of places are never going to see the flying they did pre-Covid, simply due to the lack of airframes at this point.


I 100% get that, my home airport is proof of that. 5to6 daily to on MSP on various RJs that'll simply never return to that level for a long time if ever.

What I'm simply saying is that I believe there is room for XWA in the DL network in some capacity. What that capacity is? I'm not in network planning, so it's not for me to say.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 2:59 pm

Delta Subsidiary Endeavor Air has 48 out of 51 CRJ200's flying, 13 out of 14 CRJ700's flying and 97 CRJ900's out of 123 flying. Not sure how many OO aircraft are flying on behalf of Delta.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:40 pm

freakyrat wrote:
Delta Subsidiary Endeavor Air has 48 out of 51 CRJ200's flying, 13 out of 14 CRJ700's flying and 97 CRJ900's out of 123 flying. Not sure how many OO aircraft are flying on behalf of Delta.



This is from September.
The Company has removed 38 Canadair CRJ200 regional aircraft (“CRJ200”) that were operating under the SkyWest Airlines Delta Connection Agreement with
scheduled contract expirations in 2020 that were not extended as a result of decreased demand as of September 30, 2020,
and anticipates removing an additional 17 CRJ200 aircraft during the fourth quarter of 2020. The Company additionally
terminated its American Prorate Agreement on seven CRJ200 aircraft in the second quarter of 2020 and the Company
may have further reductions in the number of CRJ200 aircraft operating under its other prorate agreements

The following table summarizes the significant provisions of each code-share agreement SkyWest Airlines has
with each major airline partner:

• CRJ 200 38
• CRJ 700 6
• CRJ 900 39
• E175 67

https://inc.skywest.com/assets/Uploads/ ... 30-20..pdf
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:41 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
Want to try again, Delta isn't serving XWA at this point, and it remains to be seen if they'll ever go back. With the consolidation of RJ's at Delta Connection, I could see XWA being gone for good.


Want to try again, Delta currently has one flight a day to/from XWA. It's bookable right now.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:00 pm

More likely airline would be G4 to LAS and/or AZA, fits their model and seems the most likely airline to add service to an airport like XWA. The other possible airline could be F9 to DEN, maybe. Doubt it would be AA to DFW, seems like a long shot.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:45 pm

Funny how all the naysayers when the airport was proposed as being a waste and unnecessary are now back in the woodworks.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:43 pm

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Funny how all the naysayers when the airport was proposed as being a waste and unnecessary are now back in the woodworks.


Yah, The airport was necessary as the old airports runways were not wide , long or strong enough top support the kind of jets that they were using at the airport at the time. It was cheaper in the long run to just relocate the airport.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:03 pm

freakyrat wrote:
DakotaFlyer wrote:
Funny how all the naysayers when the airport was proposed as being a waste and unnecessary are now back in the woodworks.


Yah, The airport was necessary as the old airports runways were not wide , long or strong enough top support the kind of jets that they were using at the airport at the time. It was cheaper in the long run to just relocate the airport.


Runways, aprons, terminal. The entire ISN airport was cracking at the seems with how it was being used, add to that the space limitations and it just made sense to build a new airport.

Anyone who thought it was a waste had clearly never been there recently and seen it when it was over capacity.

It's also not like they overbuilt the new airport/terminal. I thought the entire thing was pretty reasonable.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:15 pm

Allegiant does new route announcements on Tuesdays so I could see it being G4 related. We will see.
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:16 pm

Has it happened ? NVM saw it says next Tuesday
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:36 pm

aviationjunky wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
Want to try again, Delta isn't serving XWA at this point, and it remains to be seen if they'll ever go back. With the consolidation of RJ's at Delta Connection, I could see XWA being gone for good.


Want to try again, Delta currently has one flight a day to/from XWA. It's bookable right now.


Currently? It doesn’t start until June 5th. I was unaware it was coming back. Still, 1 50 seat round trip is a far cry from what it was pre-covid
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:24 pm

DiamondFlyer wrote:
aviationjunky wrote:
DiamondFlyer wrote:
Want to try again, Delta isn't serving XWA at this point, and it remains to be seen if they'll ever go back. With the consolidation of RJ's at Delta Connection, I could see XWA being gone for good.


Want to try again, Delta currently has one flight a day to/from XWA. It's bookable right now.


Currently? It doesn’t start until June 5th. I was unaware it was coming back. Still, 1 50 seat round trip is a far cry from what it was pre-covid


I mean, your initial response was snarky and uninformed. It's probably best not to try to double down.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:57 pm

Is there a reason why both Northwest Arkansas Airport and Williston have airport codes beginning with X? Both are brand new commercial airports. Is it perhaps that after X there were available initials that could stand for something local? For XNA,Northwest Arkansas makes sense and for XWA, perhaps it stands for Williston Area?
Does anyone know how the IATA codes were chosen?
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:51 pm

SFOThinker wrote:
Is there a reason why both Northwest Arkansas Airport and Williston have airport codes beginning with X? Both are brand new commercial airports. Is it perhaps that after X there were available initials that could stand for something local? For XNA,Northwest Arkansas makes sense and for XWA, perhaps it stands for Williston Area?
Does anyone know how the IATA codes were chosen?


The reason some of the airports begin with an X is because IATA and the FAA ran out of three letter codes. Y was reserved for Canada and Z is reserved for the FAA for Special Use like to designate the ARTCC's like ZHU, ZFW etc.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

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It's also not like they overbuilt the new airport/terminal. I thought the entire thing was pretty reasonable.


That was my impression as I watched the buildout and final reveal. Of course, I also thought Branson Missouri was done quite reasonably too for a smallish airport.
 
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Any more hints out there on this?
 
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FiscAutTecGarte wrote:
tys777 wrote:
It's also not like they overbuilt the new airport/terminal. I thought the entire thing was pretty reasonable.


That was my impression as I watched the buildout and final reveal. Of course, I also thought Branson Missouri was done quite reasonably too for a smallish airport.


It's hard to size airport facilities 'correctly' for boom-and-bust oil/gas developments -- unless you build it with inflatable domes and port-a-potties. Airports are long-lived assets with long planning/funding/construction lead times.

North Dakota's oil production was higher in 1983 than it was in 2007. When the oil runs out (or, more often, the market price drops such that a field can't be exploited profitably), the rig count drops, the workers go away, and all sorts of facilities (hospitals, roads, schools) that were built in a hurry at significant expense sit under-utilized.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:44 pm

Sun country to las Vegas in september! I feel like it was to obvious

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 31650?s=20
 
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Sun country to las Vegas in september! I feel like it was to obvious

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 31650?s=20

SY is not an obvious choice and nor is that Twitter account a reliable source. The blogger behind that account gives no credible sources when making their claim.
Best to wait and see directly from the Airport/Airline or a reliable aviation news source.
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:36 am

AA to LAX and DFW?
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2021 2:46 am

Officially SY - bookable on their website.

Allegiant will add this in 3...2...1...
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:05 am

dabpit wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
Sun country to las Vegas in september! I feel like it was to obvious

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 31650?s=20

SY is not an obvious choice and nor is that Twitter account a reliable source. The blogger behind that account gives no credible sources when making their claim.
Best to wait and see directly from the Airport/Airline or a reliable aviation news source.


I thought sun country was an obvious choice. I said sun country to LAS RSW MSP. Some people here suggested sun country to. The second tweet even shows Xwa is targeting sun country and Las Vegas flights

They got their wish! also, dont you remember a few weeks ago? I posted in the KPIT thread that allegiant added Phoenix to KPIT. I got the info from that same account when they tweeted it a day before the real announcement
 
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PITFlyer330 wrote:
dabpit wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
Sun country to las Vegas in september! I feel like it was to obvious

https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/140 ... 31650?s=20

SY is not an obvious choice and nor is that Twitter account a reliable source. The blogger behind that account gives no credible sources when making their claim.
Best to wait and see directly from the Airport/Airline or a reliable aviation news source.


I thought sun country was an obvious choice. I said sun country to LAS RSW MSP. Some people here suggested sun country to. The second tweet even shows Xwa is targeting sun country and Las Vegas flights

They got their wish! also, dont you remember a few weeks ago? I posted in the KPIT thread that allegiant added Phoenix to KPIT. I got the info from that same account when they tweeted it a day before the real announcement


I mean, technically the flights were already bookable on the Sun Country website when this was posted to Twitter. I'd venture a guess that is where they are getting their "scoop", which isn't much of one. Most of the ULCCs new routes are bookable ahead of the press conferences. That way the excited locals can immediately book.

Also, most people don't read every thread nor should be expected to. Thus, they aren't going to know whether or not you have quoted a source successfully before. It's natural to be skeptical of a Twitter post like this that doesn't link, quote, or say how they have the information. Don't take it personally.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:54 am

Sun Country has a nice livery.

Anyway.. I like their moxy... have planes will travel.... good for the good folks of NorthWest NorthDakota getting a new flight option! Good on them.
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:58 am

Plus it isn't like SY is covering the nation with small town service.
At least it will last until the grant money dries up.
 
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Re: XWA, Williston, ND new service announcement 6/8

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tys777 wrote:
PITFlyer330 wrote:
dabpit wrote:
SY is not an obvious choice and nor is that Twitter account a reliable source. The blogger behind that account gives no credible sources when making their claim.
Best to wait and see directly from the Airport/Airline or a reliable aviation news source.


I thought sun country was an obvious choice. I said sun country to LAS RSW MSP. Some people here suggested sun country to. The second tweet even shows Xwa is targeting sun country and Las Vegas flights

They got their wish! also, dont you remember a few weeks ago? I posted in the KPIT thread that allegiant added Phoenix to KPIT. I got the info from that same account when they tweeted it a day before the real announcement


I mean, technically the flights were already bookable on the Sun Country website when this was posted to Twitter. I'd venture a guess that is where they are getting their "scoop", which isn't much of one. Most of the ULCCs new routes are bookable ahead of the press conferences. That way the excited locals can immediately book.

Also, most people don't read every thread nor should be expected to. Thus, they aren't going to know whether or not you have quoted a source successfully before. It's natural to be skeptical of a Twitter post like this that doesn't link, quote, or say how they have the information. Don't take it personally.


I understand, i didnt see the flights already bookable when that was posted though, maybe I missed it. I also thought they posted a picture of the flight on sale so it confirmed the new flight. Maybe I’m going crazy

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Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos