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The A350XWB at St Maarten (SXM)

Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:33 pm

Really nice video of an Air Caraibes A350-900 taking off from St Maarten (SXM)

https://youtu.be/Wsepip_Gjfo
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:14 pm

Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:37 pm

G'day

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


And why are we still calling the 787 "Dreamliner"? Just curious?

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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:21 pm

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


Should it be called something else, has it narrowed over time ?
 
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Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:08 pm

JannEejit wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


Should it be called something else, has it narrowed over time ?


I do believe you just won the internet for the day! :lol:
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:11 pm

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


Because they wanted to annoy you and only you, as youre the only person who would be annoyed by this....
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:14 pm

Beautiful aircraft.
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Thu Jun 03, 2021 11:47 pm

JannEejit wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


Should it be called something else, has it narrowed over time ?

It was on Keto.
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:36 am

Bit of an awkward bank, in the video. Seems like it kept wanting to lurch to the right.

Still though, NOTHING can make the A350 look bad... what a great-looking aircraft! :eek:
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:21 am

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Especially in the 10 abreast Air Caraibes A350 it probably doesn't feel Extra Wide
 
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Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:02 am

JohanTally wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Especially in the 10 abreast Air Caraibes A350 it probably doesn't feel Extra Wide

It's Xtra..."why?" :duck:
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Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:51 am

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


You’re aware of something called marketing?
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:52 am

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Worse, he called the island St Marteen but it's St Maarten !
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Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:15 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Worse, he called the island St Marteen but it's St Maarten !

If the island had been a British colony, it would have been spelled St. Mawtin.
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:47 pm

MEA-707 wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Worse, he called the island St Marteen but it's St Maarten !


Sorry your majesty. I apologize for misspelling the island's name. That is why I rarely post anything; find most times people are just complaining about minor things and lose the focus on the subject at hand, which is aviation, really

Have a good day your majesty
 
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Fri Jun 04, 2021 7:49 pm

JohanTally wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Especially in the 10 abreast Air Caraibes A350 it probably doesn't feel Extra Wide

No joke! Isn't it like 16.8? *shivers* :eek:



720B wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Worse, he called the island St Marteen but it's St Maarten !


Sorry your majesty. I apologize for misspelling the island's name. That is why I rarely post anything; find most times people are just complaining about minor things and lose the focus on the subject at hand, which is aviation, really

Have a good day your majesty

Or.... just don't be so careless. Easy fix.
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:44 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Especially in the 10 abreast Air Caraibes A350 it probably doesn't feel Extra Wide

No joke! Isn't it like 16.8? *shivers* :eek:



720B wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
Worse, he called the island St Marteen but it's St Maarten !


Sorry your majesty. I apologize for misspelling the island's name. That is why I rarely post anything; find most times people are just complaining about minor things and lose the focus on the subject at hand, which is aviation, really

Have a good day your majesty

Or.... just don't be so careless. Easy fix.


I give up. It was about an aviation video and it turned out in to an Oxford grammar discussion

Oh well. English is not my first language, that is perhaps no excuse for me misspelling a place's name; but that does not justify MEA-707 making fun of me.
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:46 pm

720B wrote:
Oh well. English is not my first language

Good thing that the island's name is in Dutch (and French). ;)



720B wrote:
that is perhaps no excuse for me misspelling a place's name; but that does not justify MEA-707 making fun of me.

Fair point.

But cheer up, ignore the others, and just talk your planes. You'll be a'ight. :)
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:06 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Good thing that the island's name is in Dutch (and French). ;)


As a matter of fact, both languages spell it in a different way. In Dutch it's Sint Maarten, in French it's Saint Martin. In English mostly the French spelling us used, however obviously it's pronounced in a different way.
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:15 pm

720B wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?

Worse, he called the island St Marteen but it's St Maarten !


Sorry your majesty. I apologize for misspelling the island's name. That is why I rarely post anything; find most times people are just complaining about minor things and lose the focus on the subject at hand, which is aviation, really

Have a good day your majesty



Just ignore things like that. After all, they ARE very minor corrections, so if a user had the audacity to post some small hurdle, don't give it the attention, since it is minor. It should be no reason to control how often you post...

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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 9:36 pm

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


Well, because the original A350 (without the XWB) flies around now as A330neo. :D
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:02 pm

PatrickZ80 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Good thing that the island's name is in Dutch (and French). ;)

As a matter of fact, both languages spell it in a different way. In Dutch it's Sint Maarten, in French it's Saint Martin. In English mostly the French spelling us used, however obviously it's pronounced in a different way.

The first sentence is correct; the second sentence may be the case in Europe, but not in N.America, where the Dutch spelling is almost exclusively used, though almost never without "Sint" being abbreviated.
I myself, suspect a more prosaic motive... ~Thranduil
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:08 pm

Boeing757100 wrote:
720B wrote:
MEA-707 wrote:
Worse, he called the island St Marteen but it's St Maarten !


Sorry your majesty. I apologize for misspelling the island's name. That is why I rarely post anything; find most times people are just complaining about minor things and lose the focus on the subject at hand, which is aviation, really

Have a good day your majesty



Just ignore things like that. After all, they ARE very minor corrections, so if a user had the audacity to post some small hurdle, don't give it the attention, since it is minor. It should be no reason to control how often you post...

Have a nice day,


Thank you
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:14 pm

There will be one more opportunity to see the A359 at SXM/TNCM before the schedule change. On 9 June it is scheduled to arrive about noon (local time). On 18 June the flight changes to operate Tuesday and Friday arriving early afternoon (local time) operating with A330-200. [schedules can change any week] Watch and hear http://www.mahobeachcam.com then add the island cam.
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:31 am

I found the takeoff rather interesting. I’ve only ever seen a340 and 747 (4x engine) head straight over the mountains while everything else bank hard right and squeeze above and between the first small nob and the big hill straight ahead from the runway. The a350 must have exceptional engine out performance to be able to do that, or a very light load. Only 9 hours to Paris and not so much cargo, so maybe because it’s light?
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Sat Jun 05, 2021 3:42 am

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I found the takeoff rather interesting. I’ve only ever seen a340 and 747 (4x engine) head straight over the mountains while everything else bank hard right and squeeze above and between the first small nob and the big hill straight ahead from the runway. The a350 must have exceptional engine out performance to be able to do that, or a very light load. Only 9 hours to Paris and not so much cargo, so maybe because it’s light?

Even the 4holers almost never did that, nor did this aircraft.
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:10 am

TCG wrote:
I found the takeoff rather interesting. I’ve only ever seen a340 and 747 (4x engine) head straight over the mountains while everything else bank hard right and squeeze above and between the first small nob and the big hill straight ahead from the runway. The a350 must have exceptional engine out performance to be able to do that, or a very light load. Only 9 hours to Paris and not so much cargo, so maybe because it’s light?


It only takes about 19 to 20 seconds to start it's rotation which makes me believe it was on the lighter side
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:27 am

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It only takes about 19 to 20 seconds to start it's rotation which makes me believe it was on the lighter side

It's only going to another island, so it has no reason to be all that heavy.
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:51 am

TCG wrote:
I found the takeoff rather interesting. I’ve only ever seen a340 and 747 (4x engine) head straight over the mountains while everything else bank hard right and squeeze above and between the first small nob and the big hill straight ahead from the runway. The a350 must have exceptional engine out performance to be able to do that, or a very light load. Only 9 hours to Paris and not so much cargo, so maybe because it’s light?


All airplanes make that right turn (and this one did too), but it's not because they can't out-climb that mountain.... it's because they might not be able to out-climb that mountain with sufficient obstacle clearance with an engine failure! Just because you rotated or got to 200ft with all your engines working doesn't mean that one can't die at any time, and that's what we have to be prepared for. So the standard departure procedure for that runway is to make that right turn for increased obstacle clearance so that if your engine does decide to die at the worst possible time (and on a hot day when you're heavy with unfavorable winds, etc etc), you know your obstacle clearance is still good. And if it doesn't, then you're even better.
 
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:15 am

LAX772LR wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
It only takes about 19 to 20 seconds to start it's rotation which makes me believe it was on the lighter side

It's only going to another island, so it has no reason to be all that heavy.

Sorry I was reading into what the other poster stated about the 9 hour flight to Paris. Makes even more sense if this was a island hop.
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:18 am

JohanTally wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
It only takes about 19 to 20 seconds to start it's rotation which makes me believe it was on the lighter side

It's only going to another island, so it has no reason to be all that heavy.

Sorry I was reading into what the other poster stated about the 9 hour flight to Paris. Makes even more sense if this was a island hop.


AF went direct back to Paris. KL would make a stop in Curacao, with both A332 and B744.
 
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:39 pm

Fuling wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
It's only going to another island, so it has no reason to be all that heavy.

Sorry I was reading into what the other poster stated about the 9 hour flight to Paris. Makes even more sense if this was a island hop.

AF went direct back to Paris. KL would make a stop in Curacao, with both A332 and B744.

Indeed, though regarding this aircraft: it was on its way to PTP and not a TATL crossing.

Also, KL operated nonstop as well, upon switching to the A330.
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:14 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Good thing that the island's name is in Dutch (and French). ;)

As a matter of fact, both languages spell it in a different way. In Dutch it's Sint Maarten, in French it's Saint Martin. In English mostly the French spelling us used, however obviously it's pronounced in a different way.

The first sentence is correct; the second sentence may be the case in Europe, but not in N.America, where the Dutch spelling is almost exclusively used, though almost never without "Sint" being abbreviated.


The island of Saint Martin is divided in two in countries:

1) Collectivity of Saint Martin is European Union territory, as it is an integrated part of France. The currency is Euro, and Union law, regulations and standards all applies. This part is 60% of the island. Citizenship of the inhabitants is French/EU.

2) Sint Maarten is a country. This part of the island (40%) is not part of the European Union. Citizenship is Sint Maartan. This part of the island is often called the American part, as US dollars is a common currency, and everything from electricity voltage and sockets, to mobile phone networks etc. is US standard.

Given this difference it is not strange that Sint Maarten is more commonly used I North America. While "Saint Martin" can be used to refer to the entire island, Sint Maarten can not.
 
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:37 am

720B wrote:
Boeing757100 wrote:
720B wrote:

Sorry your majesty. I apologize for misspelling the island's name. That is why I rarely post anything; find most times people are just complaining about minor things and lose the focus on the subject at hand, which is aviation, really

Have a good day your majesty



Just ignore things like that. After all, they ARE very minor corrections, so if a user had the audacity to post some small hurdle, don't give it the attention, since it is minor. It should be no reason to control how often you post...

Have a nice day,


Thank you


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Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:32 am

Heavierthanair wrote:
G'day

flight152 wrote:
Why are we still calling it XWB? Just curious?


And why are we still calling the 787 "Dreamliner"? Just curious?

Cheers

Peter


His question is not silly.
Remember that the at first, the A350 was meant to be a mere update of the A330. Then, Airbus changed their mind and decided for a new design instead: they added « XWB » to differentiate it from the initial design.
Now, after so many years, indeed, the « XWB » is useless, as no one remembers the initial design.

No comparison with the nickname « Dreamliner ».
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:23 am

LY777 wrote:
Remember that the at first, the A350 was meant to be a mere update of the A330. Then, Airbus changed their mind and decided for a new design instead: they added « XWB » to differentiate it from the initial design.
Now, after so many years, indeed, the « XWB » is useless, as no one remembers the initial design.
No comparison with the nickname « Dreamliner ».

Meh. Who calls the 772LR "World Liner" anymore? Yet, that's its official name.

"Dreamliner" is more an exception than the rule, in terms of product designations that stuck. We haven't seen the likes of that since the "Tristar."
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:13 am

Fuling wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
It's only going to another island, so it has no reason to be all that heavy.

Sorry I was reading into what the other poster stated about the 9 hour flight to Paris. Makes even more sense if this was a island hop.


AF went direct back to Paris. KL would make a stop in Curacao, with both A332 and B744.


In case of unfavourable wheather condition, AF 340s will full load of passengers could not fly straight back to Paris from Saint Martin, they would fly to PTP to tank up. This happened to me twice, so there are some clear restrictions departing from that runway.
 
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:37 am

Same applies for klm, they had to make some extra fuel stops with the Bus on several occasions
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:28 am

FlySail2015 wrote:
TCG wrote:
I found the takeoff rather interesting. I’ve only ever seen a340 and 747 (4x engine) head straight over the mountains while everything else bank hard right and squeeze above and between the first small nob and the big hill straight ahead from the runway. The a350 must have exceptional engine out performance to be able to do that, or a very light load. Only 9 hours to Paris and not so much cargo, so maybe because it’s light?


All airplanes make that right turn (and this one did too), but it's not because they can't out-climb that mountain.... it's because they might not be able to out-climb that mountain with sufficient obstacle clearance with an engine failure! Just because you rotated or got to 200ft with all your engines working doesn't mean that one can't die at any time, and that's what we have to be prepared for. So the standard departure procedure for that runway is to make that right turn for increased obstacle clearance so that if your engine does decide to die at the worst possible time (and on a hot day when you're heavy with unfavorable winds, etc etc), you know your obstacle clearance is still good. And if it doesn't, then you're even better.


For reference, this ancient footage of a KL 744 climbout shows how close you really are to the mountain when departing out of SXM

https://youtu.be/1HRxppaWTdc
 
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Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:18 am

FlySail2015 wrote:
TCG wrote:
I found the takeoff rather interesting. I’ve only ever seen a340 and 747 (4x engine) head straight over the mountains while everything else bank hard right and squeeze above and between the first small nob and the big hill straight ahead from the runway. The a350 must have exceptional engine out performance to be able to do that, or a very light load. Only 9 hours to Paris and not so much cargo, so maybe because it’s light?


All airplanes make that right turn (and this one did too), but it's not because they can't out-climb that mountain.... it's because they might not be able to out-climb that mountain with sufficient obstacle clearance with an engine failure! Just because you rotated or got to 200ft with all your engines working doesn't mean that one can't die at any time, and that's what we have to be prepared for. So the standard departure procedure for that runway is to make that right turn for increased obstacle clearance so that if your engine does decide to die at the worst possible time (and on a hot day when you're heavy with unfavorable winds, etc etc), you know your obstacle clearance is still good. And if it doesn't, then you're even better.


That’s why I mentioned engine out performance. I must have missed the right hand turn in the video. I have, anyway on a clear day, watched AF A340 not bank before clearing the big hill by a large margin.
 
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Re: The A350XWB at St Marteen(SXM)

Tue Jun 08, 2021 5:43 am

LAX772LR wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Good thing that the island's name is in Dutch (and French). ;)

As a matter of fact, both languages spell it in a different way. In Dutch it's Sint Maarten, in French it's Saint Martin. In English mostly the French spelling us used, however obviously it's pronounced in a different way.

The first sentence is correct; the second sentence may be the case in Europe, but not in N.America, where the Dutch spelling is almost exclusively used, though almost never without "Sint" being abbreviated.


More important, how many people did it blow across the roadway when it throttled up?
 
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Wed Jun 09, 2021 1:54 am

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On 9 June it is scheduled to arrive about noon (local time).

It appears that the A350 is not coming to SXM tomorrow (6-9). I do not find it on the SXM flight schedule page of Flightaware.
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