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Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:36 pm

“Officials confirm unsuccessful attempted cockpit breach on Delta flight LAX to Nashville. Delta 386 diverted to Albuquerque. Crew and passengers restrained man. Taken into custody by police and FBI in ABQ. Plane will continue on to Nashville tonight.”

https://twitter.com/astoneabcnews/statu ... 46373?s=21


Not a good situation obviously. If anyone else finds anything please post.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:39 pm

A DL FA is credited along with other pax for subduing the man. The FBI has launched an investigation.

https://twitter.com/1waysuggs/status/14 ... 18464?s=21
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:00 pm

I came to ask whether the passenger in question was going to a bachelor party or a bachlorette party in Nashville. I suppose asuflyer's helpful point that it was a man may answer that question.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:02 pm

Jshank83 wrote:
Plane will continue on to Nashville tonight.”


Looks like a long delay and an aircraft change to a 321 in ABQ. Long day for the pax.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:18 pm

A single person attempting a cockpit breach is usually some drunk moron who thinks he wants to tell the pilot something. Not persuaded that this is anything more than an isolated nitwit. Like the guy years ago who took a dump on the food cart in first class after having too many free cocktails.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:23 pm

wjcandee wrote:
A single person attempting a cockpit breach is usually some drunk moron who thinks he wants to tell the pilot something. Not persuaded that this is anything more than an isolated nitwit. Like the guy years ago who took a dump on the food cart in first class after having too many free cocktails.


Insane. What is it about claustrophobia that makes people behave like monkeys?
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:40 pm

Aaron747 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
A single person attempting a cockpit breach is usually some drunk moron who thinks he wants to tell the pilot something. Not persuaded that this is anything more than an isolated nitwit. Like the guy years ago who took a dump on the food cart in first class after having too many free cocktails.


Insane. What is it about claustrophobia that makes people behave like monkeys?

I had this happen on a flight a while back. First flight returned after an hour because something was broken, then they rebooked a bunch of us on the next one. One guy who had been in F and had a few went to the same bar I did and took advantage of a twofer boilermaker deal, gets into F on the next plane, and got belligerent about an hour in. Bunch of us tackled him and then the FAs came out with the zip ties. They yelled not to take pictures or videos on taxi in. There were some airport vehicles with cherries and berries waiting for us, and then the fuzz came on and bagged the guy when we got to the gate. On deplaning, I overheard something about family problems and a long flying day, etc.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Fri Jun 04, 2021 11:42 pm

LH707330 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
A single person attempting a cockpit breach is usually some drunk moron who thinks he wants to tell the pilot something. Not persuaded that this is anything more than an isolated nitwit. Like the guy years ago who took a dump on the food cart in first class after having too many free cocktails.


Insane. What is it about claustrophobia that makes people behave like monkeys?

I had this happen on a flight a while back. First flight returned after an hour because something was broken, then they rebooked a bunch of us on the next one. One guy who had been in F and had a few went to the same bar I did and took advantage of a twofer boilermaker deal, gets into F on the next plane, and got belligerent about an hour in. Bunch of us tackled him and then the FAs came out with the zip ties. They yelled not to take pictures or videos on taxi in. There were some airport vehicles with cherries and berries waiting for us, and then the fuzz came on and bagged the guy when we got to the gate. On deplaning, I overheard something about family problems and a long flying day, etc.


A lot of us have long days, several drinks, etc. but we don't behave like savages. But it's the few who do crap like that who ruin it for everyone.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:06 am

Aaron747 wrote:
LH707330 wrote:
Aaron747 wrote:

Insane. What is it about claustrophobia that makes people behave like monkeys?

I had this happen on a flight a while back. First flight returned after an hour because something was broken, then they rebooked a bunch of us on the next one. One guy who had been in F and had a few went to the same bar I did and took advantage of a twofer boilermaker deal, gets into F on the next plane, and got belligerent about an hour in. Bunch of us tackled him and then the FAs came out with the zip ties. They yelled not to take pictures or videos on taxi in. There were some airport vehicles with cherries and berries waiting for us, and then the fuzz came on and bagged the guy when we got to the gate. On deplaning, I overheard something about family problems and a long flying day, etc.


A lot of us have long days, several drinks, etc. but we don't behave like savages. But it's the few who do crap like that who ruin it for everyone.

For sure, some people really can't help themselves....
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:52 am

Aaron747 wrote:
wjcandee wrote:
A single person attempting a cockpit breach is usually some drunk moron who thinks he wants to tell the pilot something. Not persuaded that this is anything more than an isolated nitwit. Like the guy years ago who took a dump on the food cart in first class after having too many free cocktails.


Insane. What is it about claustrophobia that makes people behave like monkeys?



I can't speak for this person, but for me it feels like the walls are closing in on me, and I feel like doing anything to get out. The feeling eventually passes.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Plane will continue on to Nashville tonight.”


Looks like a long delay and an aircraft change to a 321 in ABQ. Long day for the pax.


Odd. Why a long delay and a plane switch? You’d think the crew would have plenty of time left.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:18 am

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Odd. Why a long delay and a plane switch? You’d think the crew would have plenty of time left.


Might need an inspection to landing overweight. If that's the case, it was probably just quicker to tail swap than wait for contract maintenance to come out. That's all just a guess...
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:26 am

NWAESC wrote:
SuseJ772 wrote:

Odd. Why a long delay and a plane switch? You’d think the crew would have plenty of time left.


Might need an inspection to landing overweight. If that's the case, it was probably just quicker to tail swap than wait for contract maintenance to come out. That's all just a guess...


If FBI decides they need to inspect the aircraft it also is grounded. I can't remember if an attempted cockpit breach reaches the level of a defined incident where the CVR and FDR need to be pulled.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:37 am

He continually says, "I've got to stop this plane." Looks like a nice job by crew and pax.

https://www.koat.com/article/flight-div ... t/36635552
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:43 am

NWAESC wrote:
SuseJ772 wrote:

Odd. Why a long delay and a plane switch? You’d think the crew would have plenty of time left.


Might need an inspection to landing overweight. If that's the case, it was probably just quicker to tail swap than wait for contract maintenance to come out. That's all just a guess...


Very possible. DL doesn’t have a very big operation at all here in ABQ.

I’ve always heard the 739 had trouble here in the summer when heavy due to DA but I just can’t imagine that would be an issue on a 90 degree day with our long runways here regardless of weight. Therefore, I’d think you’re on to something about requiring an inspection. Only other thought would be that the aircraft is part of an investigation of some sort. I’m sure the FBI would love to flex their muscles and make a production of the investigation.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:53 am

SuseJ772 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Plane will continue on to Nashville tonight.”


Looks like a long delay and an aircraft change to a 321 in ABQ. Long day for the pax.


Odd. Why a long delay and a plane switch? You’d think the crew would have plenty of time left.


If it wasn’t aircraft related, or maybe both ac and crew, It’s probably just as simple that any or all of the inflight crew didn’t feel “fit to fly” after something like that, especially once all of the adrenaline starts to wear off. Thus the crew swap.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:54 am

Cubsrule wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Plane will continue on to Nashville tonight.”


Looks like a long delay and an aircraft change to a 321 in ABQ. Long day for the pax.

Looks like the swap to the 321 is the Atlanta inbound. I wonder where they found the crew? SLC?
 
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 4:56 am

FlyinRabbit88 wrote:
SuseJ772 wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:

Looks like a long delay and an aircraft change to a 321 in ABQ. Long day for the pax.


Odd. Why a long delay and a plane switch? You’d think the crew would have plenty of time left.


It’s probably just as simple that any or all of the inflight crew didn’t feel “fit to fly” after something like that, especially once all of the adrenaline starts to wear off.

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Sat Jun 05, 2021 5:00 am

kabq737 wrote:
NWAESC wrote:
SuseJ772 wrote:

Odd. Why a long delay and a plane switch? You’d think the crew would have plenty of time left.


Might need an inspection to landing overweight. If that's the case, it was probably just quicker to tail swap than wait for contract maintenance to come out. That's all just a guess...


Very possible. DL doesn’t have a very big operation at all here in ABQ.

I’ve always heard the 739 had trouble here in the summer when heavy due to DA but I just can’t imagine that would be an issue on a 90 degree day with our long runways here regardless of weight. Therefore, I’d think you’re on to something about requiring an inspection. Only other thought would be that the aircraft is part of an investigation of some sort. I’m sure the FBI would love to flex their muscles and make a production of the investigation.


Watching 739s take off on 8/26 is a hoot. They will often use close to 10,000 feet in the summer.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:10 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
Cubsrule wrote:
Jshank83 wrote:
Plane will continue on to Nashville tonight.”


Looks like a long delay and an aircraft change to a 321 in ABQ. Long day for the pax.

Looks like the swap to the 321 is the Atlanta inbound. I wonder where they found the crew? SLC?


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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:26 am

Good to know that idiots practically can't get into the cockpit.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:34 pm

The main point is to have some final practical working barrier before somebody can interfere with the flight crew for whatever reason. Some mentally ill or drugged people might freak out without any prior indication.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 12:34 pm

There is no way anyone is getting into the cockpit in today's world. Just look up the Germanwings Flight 9525 crash. Co-pilot locked everyone out, they tried to get in and you can hear them trying hard before it crashes into the mountainside.

No one was going to breech the cockpit or whatever else the media is trying to hype up for clicks. While it may have been a serious incident and scared some people on the plane, most of us here know that the cockpit is very secure after the 9/11 upgrades.

The F/A and passengers did a great job yes. But in the end, he wasn't getting in. It honestly seems like this is more of a problem with US based airlines and everyone here acting like fools, punching flight attendants, getting belligerent on planes, refusing to wear masks making planes have to land and have authorities coming in. People as a whole just need to be better humans. Flying is supposed to be fun and enjoyable (to me it is at least) and we need to see less of these crazy incidents.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:13 pm

Another example why airlines should enforce the policy on no coach passengers coming up to first class section.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:16 pm

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Another example why airlines should enforce the policy on no coach passengers coming up to first class section.


First class passengers couldn’t try to breach the cockpit? I’m confused...

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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:21 pm

910A wrote:
Another example why airlines should enforce the policy on no coach passengers coming up to first class section.


Yeah I'm sure that little curtain would have stopped this dude that took 8 people to restrain.
 
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 1:50 pm

Noshow wrote:
Good to know that idiots practically can't get into the cockpit.


It only took 4 hijacked planes on 9/11 to make that change happen.
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:36 pm

Kudos to the passengers and crew that prevented his entrance.
 
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Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:46 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
910A wrote:
Another example why airlines should enforce the policy on no coach passengers coming up to first class section.


Yeah I'm sure that little curtain would have stopped this dude that took 8 people to restrain.
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 2:14 am

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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:41 am

Random thought: Not knowing how full the flight was, how do they accommodate all the passengers when an aircraft type switch takes place. Looking at Delta's website, although the A321 can seat 11 more passengers compared to the 737-900ER, it has three fewer Main Cabin seats and more Delta Comfort+ seats.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:34 pm

Why divert for this ? If you have all the restraining stuff (zip ties etc.), the guy has calmed down, he obviously didn't have a plan (no weapon or tool), why not just continue on with the flight ?
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Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:18 pm

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Why divert for this ? If you have all the restraining stuff (zip ties etc.), the guy has calmed down, he obviously didn't have a plan (no weapon or tool), why not just continue on with the flight ?


Sorry, can't agree with that. You don't know if he's permanently calmed down and you can't guarantee he's not a risk to hurt someone. Diverting to hand him off to law enforcement as quickly as possible was definitely the right call.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:29 pm

Rid airlines of alcohol and you will eliminate most passenger disruptions. Flying for a major airline for over 30 yrs, 90% of the pax problems I had were alcohol related. Not sure if this event was alcohol related but still wouldn’t hurt.
 
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Sun Jun 13, 2021 2:49 pm

Shakinthefat wrote:
Rid airlines of alcohol and you will eliminate most passenger disruptions. Flying for a major airline for over 30 yrs, 90% of the pax problems I had were alcohol related. Not sure if this event was alcohol related but still wouldn’t hurt.


Nope.

These pax seem to be coming in very "front loaded" with booze. They're getting blitzed at airport bars/lounges. Even eliminating those will result in people just drinking before they get to the airport. Very little airlines can do short of administering a breathalyzer before boarding and they have a tough enough time catching drunk crew now as it is.
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Sun Jun 13, 2021 3:29 pm

[quote="Shakinthefat"]Rid airlines of alcohol and you will eliminate most passenger disruptions. Flying for a major airline for over 30 yrs, 90% of the pax problems I had were alcohol related. Not sure if this event was alcohol related but still wouldn’t hurt.[/quote]

This incident occurred roughly an hour into the flight. If alcohol was involved, it was almost certainly consumed mostly or exclusively on the ground.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:31 pm

If there is no breathalyzer test before taking the wheel of your car/truck, I don't see how there could be one to be a plane passenger.

Also, some people drink to calm their nerves, airlines wouldn't want to lose these customers.
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Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:27 am

Aesma wrote:
If there is no breathalyzer test before taking the wheel of your car/truck, I don't see how there could be one to be a plane passenger.

Also, some people drink to calm their nerves, airlines wouldn't want to lose these customers.


Airlines make a lot of money off of alcohol sales. Plus, FA's like it when passengers drink because they will often fall asleep during the flight.
 
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Mon Jun 28, 2021 9:06 pm

jeffrey1970 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
If there is no breathalyzer test before taking the wheel of your car/truck, I don't see how there could be one to be a plane passenger.

Also, some people drink to calm their nerves, airlines wouldn't want to lose these customers.


Airlines make a lot of money off of alcohol sales. Plus, FA's like it when passengers drink because they will often fall asleep during the flight.


I thought booze was mostly free in 1st/business class and in lounges. Don’t think airlines “make a lot of money”.
The best way to put people to sleep without making a bunch of angry drunks is to run the cabin pressure up to reduce O2 and put people to nightly nite.
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:14 am

Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
If there is no breathalyzer test before taking the wheel of your car/truck, I don't see how there could be one to be a plane passenger.

Also, some people drink to calm their nerves, airlines wouldn't want to lose these customers.


Airlines make a lot of money off of alcohol sales. Plus, FA's like it when passengers drink because they will often fall asleep during the flight.


I thought booze was mostly free in 1st/business class and in lounges. Don’t think airlines “make a lot of money”.
The best way to put people to sleep without making a bunch of angry drunks is to run the cabin pressure up to reduce O2 and put people to nightly nite.



Wouldn't that also make the crew sleepy?
 
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 5:39 am

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The best way to put people to sleep without making a bunch of angry drunks is to run the cabin pressure up to reduce O2 and put people to nightly nite.


That's not how any of this works.
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Tue Jun 29, 2021 1:02 pm

jeffrey1970 wrote:
Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:

Airlines make a lot of money off of alcohol sales. Plus, FA's like it when passengers drink because they will often fall asleep during the flight.


I thought booze was mostly free in 1st/business class and in lounges. Don’t think airlines “make a lot of money”.
The best way to put people to sleep without making a bunch of angry drunks is to run the cabin pressure up to reduce O2 and put people to nightly nite.



Wouldn't that also make the crew sleepy?


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Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:30 pm

Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:
Shakinthefat wrote:

I thought booze was mostly free in 1st/business class and in lounges. Don’t think airlines “make a lot of money”.
The best way to put people to sleep without making a bunch of angry drunks is to run the cabin pressure up to reduce O2 and put people to nightly nite.



Wouldn't that also make the crew sleepy?


No alcohol in blood is the difference.


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Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:50 pm

Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:
Aesma wrote:
If there is no breathalyzer test before taking the wheel of your car/truck, I don't see how there could be one to be a plane passenger.

Also, some people drink to calm their nerves, airlines wouldn't want to lose these customers.


Airlines make a lot of money off of alcohol sales. Plus, FA's like it when passengers drink because they will often fall asleep during the flight.


I thought booze was mostly free in 1st/business class and in lounges. Don’t think airlines “make a lot of money”.
The best way to put people to sleep without making a bunch of angry drunks is to run the cabin pressure up to reduce O2 and put people to nightly nite.


Please tell me this comment was made tongue in cheek?
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:52 am

jeffrey1970 wrote:
Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:


Wouldn't that also make the crew sleepy?


No alcohol in blood is the difference.


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Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:59 am

Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:
Shakinthefat wrote:

No alcohol in blood is the difference.


You learn something new everyday.

Guess you’ve never heard Visine in coffee either?



I never heard of Visine. Lol
 
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Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:16 pm

As a flight attendant for over 20 years, granted in Canada where passengers aren't INSANE (!), booze on planes sucks.

When someone wants a drink, it is rarely just one. They give you the ol' *wink wink* when wanting a double when they know we aren't supposed to. Or those that want two Heineken because they want to pound the first and are concerned that this is their one and only chance during the flight that we'll offer anything eeeevvvveer agaaaaaiiin.....

The rare and and appreciated drinker is the business-person that has a single G&T while reading the financial report from their recent meeting.
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:47 pm

jeffrey1970 wrote:
Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:

You learn something new everyday.

Guess you’ve never heard Visine in coffee either?



I never heard of Visine. Lol

Lots of tricks of the trade you don’t know about.
 
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Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:21 am

Shakinthefat wrote:
jeffrey1970 wrote:
Shakinthefat wrote:
Guess you’ve never heard Visine in coffee either?



I never heard of Visine. Lol

Lots of tricks of the trade you don’t know about.


That is why this industry fascinates me. There is so much that goes on that we passengers don't know about.
 
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Re: Attempted Cockpit Breach on DL386

Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:46 am

Are Delta’s narrowbody cockpit doors bulletproof?

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