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Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sat Jun 05, 2021 11:24 pm

Hello all,

Hope you all are keeping well and safe!

What is the status of VT-JEW that has been impounded at AMS since 10 April 2019? Does it receive any maintenance checks, power ups using a GPU, engine runs etc. like the rest of the Jet Airways 777 fleet that is sorted in India since the airline's collapse?

It seems like they have moved VT-JEW to a ramp near the KLM engine service hangar :

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Amste ... d4.7682744

VT-JEW was originally stored near KLM hangar no 12:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_red_b ... oFp-WYUHVq

Many thanks & kind regards
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Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:03 am

Given that all her siblings have been scrapped or in process of being scrapped, the future for VT-JEW isn't bright too. Won't be surprised if she ended up being scrapped. They auctioned off all moveable stuff inside her few months ago. https://www.bva-auctions.com/en/auction ... d&f=&ps=99
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 5:27 am

VT-JEW is currently 'owned' by this Dutch bankruptcy trustee firm https://www.potjonker.nl/en/our-experti ... nsolvency/
The aircraft is still being detained by AMS because it still has outstanding parking fees, which nobody is willing to pay them
A previous attempt by KL to acquire VT-JEW didnt go throught because they couldnt take over 9W's slots
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 6:29 am

9W had an engineer on site who did periodic checks with some KLM support during the court case over VT-JEW but this engineer eventually returned to India in the weeks were the company was in no man's land and payments were no longer forthcoming. KLM hasn't touched it since save for a few occasions were something was needed by the court, insolvency firm or debtor.

KLM has appeared intrested in VT-JEW at some point as a spare parts source but ever since the pandemic the 77W fleet has more slack then ever & this is no longer on the radar. It has not been prepared for any kind of storage and it would require massive financial & engineering effort to ever get it back to an airworthy state which doesn't make any sense today. Undoubtedly one day we will see it be scrapped in AMS.
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 7:59 am

if the price is good, means very cheap, I can see that plane converted into freighter in the next few years.
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:32 am

migair54 wrote:
if the price is good, means very cheap, I can see that plane converted into freighter in the next few years.
Na it’s destine for a scrapping company it won’t fly ever again
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:52 am

With regards to the above about whether the frame will be scrapped or converted, it depends on a number of factors, if the price is right at the right time, conversion could be a possibility. However if that isn’t the case it will be scrapped, price alone will not determine its fate, condition is important, along with who’s actually looking to buy, it doesn’t matter if it’s the cheapest 77W on the market if nobody is buying. I would say this is one to watch.
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:58 am

Chop it up into Aviationtags :thumbsup:
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:01 am

A few months ago there were rumours going around about a possible buyer. She was then towed to the test run area of the airport, and under supervision of the fire brigade they had the engines run for a while (without problems). However after that she was towed back to the remote parking spot and hasn't moved at all in 2021 AFAIK. I don't think there's anybody looking after it right now. The engines aren't even covered up, and the Dutch climate is not good for storing aircraft..
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:59 am

Thank you all for your replies to my first post on Airliners.net!

I found a link to an interview of Murari Lal Jalan, the new promoter of Jet Airways and around 8:20 he states that the 777-300ERs could be used at a later stage which appears to be a glimmer of hope for the remaining five Jet Airways 777s in India and possibly VT-JEW if it is feasible.

https://www.ndtv.com/video/exclusive/le ... dtv-579027

But again I think getting this airline off the ground will be extremely difficult after the decisions by the Ministry of Civil Aviation and DGCA on the re-allocation of Jet Airways' historical slots.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 236198.cms

Sorry for going off topic but would anyone know the status of former VT-JEH (2-TEJH) and VT-JEK (N351BU) at LDE and TUP respectively? Have they been scrapped or are they being stored?

VT-JEX and VT-JEQ (OE-IIJ) were scrapped at MAA and GWO respectively.

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Sun Jun 06, 2021 4:21 pm

JetAirways wrote:
Thank you all for your replies to my first post on Airliners.net!

I found a link to an interview of Murari Lal Jalan, the new promoter of Jet Airways and around 8:20 he states that the 777-300ERs could be used at a later stage which appears to be a glimmer of hope for the remaining five Jet Airways 777s in India and possibly VT-JEW if it is feasible.

https://www.ndtv.com/video/exclusive/le ... dtv-579027

But again I think getting this airline off the ground will be extremely difficult after the decisions by the Ministry of Civil Aviation and DGCA on the re-allocation of Jet Airways' historical slots.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/bus ... 236198.cms

Sorry for going off topic but would anyone know the status of former VT-JEH (2-TEJH) and VT-JEK (N351BU) at LDE and TUP respectively? Have they been scrapped or are they being stored?

VT-JEX and VT-JEQ (OE-IIJ) were scrapped at MAA and GWO respectively.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected] ... otostream/
https://www.aviation-defence-universe.c ... workshops/

Many thanks and kind regards,
JetAirways (Samar)


If you are curious: There is a thread about Jet Airways developments still running here, you should take a look if you want....
See >> viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1420603&start=1950
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:47 pm

Well the plane VT-JEW is over 15 years old and I think it will be scrapped at AMS soon. I do not see any KLM rescue plan for it. KLM must worry about their own existence in the near future as well as looking for B777-200ER (almost 20 years) and A330 replacements soon.
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:14 am

lijnden wrote:
Well the plane VT-JEW is over 15 years old and I think it will be scrapped at AMS soon. I do not see any KLM rescue plan for it. KLM must worry about their own existence in the near future as well as looking for B777-200ER (almost 20 years) and A330 replacements soon.


I believe 9W still has an interest in the airplane since the seize by WFS was already been settled. The trustee is still managing this asset on their behalf
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Mon Jun 07, 2021 12:27 pm

As much as I would like to see those ex-9W B77W take to the skies again, however the chance are very low as they are left in the open since they went bellied up and maintenance record has not been keep up to date. Since all B77W were owned by lessor, they would have to make the final call, so far all of those who have made decision are to scrap.
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Mon Jun 07, 2021 11:22 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
As much as I would like to see those ex-9W B77W take to the skies again, however the chance are very low as they are left in the open since they went bellied up and maintenance record has not been keep up to date. Since all B77W were owned by lessor, they would have to make the final call, so far all of those who have made decision are to scrap.


They bought back 6 777s last year for for US$ 13 Million, including VT-JEW which means that there could be a possibility that they can be used in the future if it is viable to do so imo. Regarding the maintenance aspect, @bombayspotting, @captchops and @aneeshbapaye on Instagram have confirmed that the 777s in India do get powered up occasionally and get moved back and forth on their stands to prevent flat spotting of the tyres so they are being looked after at least and not completely neglected.

The remaining 4 that were not bought back have been / are being scrapped (VT-JEK, JEQ, JEH and JEX).

https://www.flightglobal.com/strategy/j ... 13.article
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:38 am

VT-JEW has been sold to a company called IAGCAS 777 LLC for US$ 9 million.

Source: https://twitter.com/sarinandco/status/1 ... 14049?s=21
 
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Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:09 am

JetAirways wrote:
VT-JEW has been sold to a company called IAGCAS 777 LLC for US$ 9 million.

Source: https://twitter.com/sarinandco/status/1 ... 14049?s=21


Could IAG (BA/Iberia) have bought the frame? Or is the company name a coincidence?
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:24 am

BrianDromey wrote:
JetAirways wrote:
VT-JEW has been sold to a company called IAGCAS 777 LLC for US$ 9 million.

Source: https://twitter.com/sarinandco/status/1 ... 14049?s=21


Could IAG (BA/Iberia) have bought the frame? Or is the company name a coincidence?


It’s IAG Aero Group, a european engine maintenance group rather than the airline group. Totally different. My guess is that the 777 has been bought for spares.
 
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It’s IAG Aero Group, a european engine maintenance group rather than the airline group. Totally different. My guess is that the 777 has been bought for spares.


Thanks for the info.

I assumed spares, which is why I thought it odd. IAG hasn’t done the “buy an aircraft for spares” thing before, AFAIK.
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:52 am

I really wonder at the mechanical state of VT-JEW at this point. I don't believe she's been moved at all in 2021, nor have the engines been running. In fact the engines and landing gear aren't covered at all and are subject to the Dutch climate..
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:13 am

These aircraft were terrible when they were in the skies and literally have no value to fly again. They were the highest empty weight 777's, with the first suites, granite galleys etc. The engines weren't much better, no bump rating and would struggle to pull the skin off rice pudding on a hot day!

The best thing for these is the scrap yard!

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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Sep 05, 2021 11:29 am

Sadly those airframes which were worth rescuing have all left India earlier. Those remained at situ would all be scrapped. Those few A332 at India various airport will also be scrapped, two B77W in India have been scrapped in India. Those in the US will also meet the same fate I don't see any of their B77Ws being picked up by other airlines.
 
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Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:51 pm

Next question will obviously be how are they gonna get VT-JEW out of AMS.

Lastest pics I could find was these
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9700114
https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9661107

Im curious if all the engines and all the moving parts are still in good condition after being grounded for like 2,5 years. Like CrimsomNL stated, Dutch weather has been all over the place and not favorable for aircraft storage. But we will see...if they start engine test runs, we will know I suppose
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:30 pm

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Next question will obviously be how are they gonna get VT-JEW out of AMS.



Nope; the next question is how much the Indian bankruptcy administrator will recover from the $9 M after subtracting dues to AMS airport, maintainance companies at AMS, the company at whose behest the aircraft was seized at AMS, the liquidators at AMS, etc.

Any guess at what would be remaining of the $9 M? Mine is $1 M.
 
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Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:24 pm

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Next question will obviously be how are they gonna get VT-JEW out of AMS.


In smaller pieces on trucks, no doubt (or perhaps by barge). Maybe the engines leave by An-124 if they have enough value to someone.
 
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Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:37 pm

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FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Next question will obviously be how are they gonna get VT-JEW out of AMS.


In smaller pieces on trucks, no doubt (or perhaps by barge). Maybe the engines leave by An-124 if they have enough value to someone.


Isn't the reason they are buying it mainly for the engines? That's why they had them specifcially turn it on prior to purchase.
 
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Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:40 am

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Next question will obviously be how are they gonna get VT-JEW out of AMS.


They will probably get a ferry permit of some sort and fly her out to a suitable place where she can get scrapped. My guesses are probably LDE, TEV or OST.

Her sister ship VT-JEK was in a far worse condition and was left to rot at BOM as 9W did not buy her back. VT-JEK was ferried BOM-PSM-TUP for scrap in November last year and flew out of India with a special ferry permit with just the bare minimum equipment working.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9712727
 
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FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Next question will obviously be how are they gonna get VT-JEW out of AMS.


They will probably get a ferry permit of some sort and fly her out to a suitable place where she can get scrapped. My guesses are probably LDE, TEV or OST.

Her sister ship VT-JEK was in a far worse condition and was left to rot at BOM as 9W did not buy her back. VT-JEK was ferried BOM-PSM-TUP for scrap in November last year and flew out of India with a special ferry permit with just the bare minimum equipment working.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9712727


So, of the 10 Jet 777s, how many will still fly or are in condition for commercial flying?
 
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edealinfo wrote:
JetAirways wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:
Next question will obviously be how are they gonna get VT-JEW out of AMS.


They will probably get a ferry permit of some sort and fly her out to a suitable place where she can get scrapped. My guesses are probably LDE, TEV or OST.

Her sister ship VT-JEK was in a far worse condition and was left to rot at BOM as 9W did not buy her back. VT-JEK was ferried BOM-PSM-TUP for scrap in November last year and flew out of India with a special ferry permit with just the bare minimum equipment working.

https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/9712727


So, of the 10 Jet 777s, how many will still fly or are in condition for commercial flying?

None, all are either in dilapidated state, already scrapped or in process of being scrapped.

Reg No. / MSN/ Line No./ Current Registration/ Status
1. VT-JEH 35166 / 678 2-TJEH Bank Of Scotland, Broken up Aug 2021 at LDE
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Boeing 777-35RER 2-TJEH ex Jet Airways by Pierre Pm, on Flickr
https://twitter.com/Vinamralongani/stat ... 1851115524

2. VT-JEK 35165 / 696 N351BU Bank of Utah, Stored at Tupelo, in process of being scrapped
Image
N351BU Pic 3 by Andy Tucker, on Flickr

3. VT-JEL 36563 / 802 NTU, Sold to UAE Presidential Flight

4. VT-JEM 35162 / 666 VT-JEM Stored at BOM
Image
Jet Airways Boeing B777-300(ER) VT-JEM Mumbai (BOM/VABB) by Aiel, on Flickr
https://twitter.com/redarpit/status/114 ... 96/photo/2

5. VT-JEQ 35161 / 693 OE-IIJ Sold to Bishopsgate Aircraft, Being scrapped at GWO
Image
OE-IIJ Pic 3 by Andy Tucker, on Flickr

6. VT-JES 35159 / 650 VT-JES Stored at BOM
https://twitter.com/Milesintheair/statu ... 07/photo/1

7. VT-JET 35157 / 627 VT-JET Stored at DEL
https://twitter.com/ShivamVahia/status/ ... 56/photo/1

8. VT-JEU 35160 / 653 VT-JEU Stored at DEL
https://twitter.com/kushanmitra/status/ ... 52/photo/1

9. VT-JEV 35158 / 637 VT-JEV Stored at BOM
https://twitter.com/Milesintheair/statu ... 07/photo/1

10. VT-JEW 35164 / 660 VT-JEW Sold to IAG Aero Group, stored at AMS
Image
VT-JEW by Joe Heeney, on Flickr

11. VT-JEX 35163 / 675 2-TJEX Bank Of Scotland, scrapped at MAA
https://twitter.com/AvionViks/status/13 ... 60/photo/2
https://twitter.com/AvionViks/status/13 ... 88/photo/2
 
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 3:26 pm

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Nope; the next question is how much the Indian bankruptcy administrator will recover from the $9 M after subtracting dues to AMS airport, maintainance companies at AMS, the company at whose behest the aircraft was seized at AMS, the liquidators at AMS, etc.

Any guess at what would be remaining of the $9 M? Mine is $1 M.


How much to make it airworthy again? Might be more than 1 M. On the other hand planes don't get dismantled at AMS normally.
 
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edealinfo wrote:
Nope; the next question is how much the Indian bankruptcy administrator will recover from the $9 M after subtracting dues to AMS airport, maintainance companies at AMS, the company at whose behest the aircraft was seized at AMS, the liquidators at AMS, etc.

Any guess at what would be remaining of the $9 M? Mine is $1 M.


How much to make it airworthy again? Might be more than 1 M. On the other hand planes don't get dismantled at AMS normally.

We won't know how much will it cost to bring it up to flying condition again without insider information. They may apply for one-off flying permit to bring the airframe to nearest scrapping site to end her life. N351BU was done as such. Last check AMS is only 2 hours and 40 mins from TEV in Spain. LDE would be even nearer.
 
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:08 pm

RoyalBrunei757 wrote:
inkjet7 wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
Nope; the next question is how much the Indian bankruptcy administrator will recover from the $9 M after subtracting dues to AMS airport, maintainance companies at AMS, the company at whose behest the aircraft was seized at AMS, the liquidators at AMS, etc.

Any guess at what would be remaining of the $9 M? Mine is $1 M.


How much to make it airworthy again? Might be more than 1 M. On the other hand planes don't get dismantled at AMS normally.

We won't know how much will it cost to bring it up to flying condition again without insider information. They may apply for one-off flying permit to bring the airframe to nearest scrapping site to end her life. N351BU was done as such. Last check AMS is only 2 hours and 40 mins from TEV in Spain. LDE would be even nearer.


Twente Airport (EHTW) is even closer, Aircraft End of Life Solutions' (AELS) might be interested. But it might be cheaper to have it done at Schiphol.
 
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Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:33 pm

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None, all are either in dilapidated state, already scrapped or in process of being scrapped.


IIRC Jet Airways maintenance was / is taking care of the 777s stored in India. They could just be in a bad shape cosmetically IF they have been consistently looked after which is questionable as maintaining aircraft isn't cheap considering 9W has no income.

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/mum ... 441934.cms

Some videos of engine swap being carried out at DEL in July 2020:
https://twitter.com/ari_maj/status/1289 ... 19008?s=20
https://twitter.com/manishasinghal/stat ... 12096?s=20

edealinfo wrote:
So, of the 10 Jet 777s, how many will still fly or are in condition for commercial flying?


VT-JEU and VT-JEM were offered to the Indian Government for repatriation flights when the pandemic broke out. My guesses are that these two frames would be the best out of the remaining 5 that are left. Again, it depends on the level of maintenance they have received since April 2019 and IIRC they were in need of a D or heavy C Check before the collapse of 9W as they are one of the oldest 77Ws around.

https://twitter.com/puneet737/status/12 ... 15456?s=20
 
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Sat Oct 09, 2021 11:07 am

VT-JEW has been moved to a hangar! The first sign of activity in 2021! :smile:
 
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VT-JEW has been moved to a hangar! The first sign of activity in 2021! :smile:


This means that she will probably not be scrapped at AMS and could be possibly flown out. Would be great if you could share some pictures!!
 
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VT-JEW has been moved to a hangar! The first sign of activity in 2021! :smile:


Re-registred N377CL at September 7th 2021 in the FAA registy, see : https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquir ... mberResult and fill in "377CL", without the "N" !
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 10:55 am

Sold for only 9 million USD.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/j ... cy-process

Maybe we can see it going to Israel or Abu Dhabi for Freighter conversion.
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:20 am

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Sold for only 9 million USD.
https://www.khaleejtimes.com/business/j ... cy-process

Maybe we can see it going to Israel or Abu Dhabi for Freighter conversion.


Maybe, but more likely not. There are dozens of retired or soon to be retired 77Ws (count the 19 from EY and 10 from GA which will be phased out over the coming months) around which are in better condition. I'd say the scrapman is the next most likely destination.
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 11:26 am

Damn USD9million, that's cheap. N377CL is tagged to PETRUS IAGCAS 777 LLC sounds like an intermediatery for scrapping company.
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:37 pm

Managed to find a picture. She seems to be in pretty decent condition considering that she was parked at AMS without receiving any attention for a while.

https://twitter.com/MennoSwart/status/1 ... 42597?s=20
 
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Mon Oct 11, 2021 12:52 pm

Its off to VCV/SBD.

Likely for long term storage or scrapping, i would guess they will try and find a buyer for a little while before scrapping it.

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Tue Oct 12, 2021 10:17 pm

Some more pictures of VT-JEW at Schiphol East maintenance hangar:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CU5GlIOsHEq ... =copy_link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CU7g1j_MrrF ... =copy_link
https://www.flickr.com/photos/roaldmelgert/51580639717/
https://www.instagram.com/t.h.b_aviation/?hl=en-gb

What does it take to make an aircraft airworthy again that hasn't flown in nearly thee years? Must cost a lot to even get her out of AMS on a ferry permit.
 
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Tue Oct 19, 2021 10:14 am

I had to see it to believe it, but after two and a half years, she's finally flying again! On the way now to VCV!
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:16 am

CrimsonNL wrote:
I had to see it to believe it, but after two and a half years, she's finally flying again! On the way now to VCV!


See : https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N37 ... 1012Z/EHAM
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Tue Oct 19, 2021 12:08 pm

No surprise, cruizing non-pressurized at FL100 and obviously non-ETOPS. Anyone in the know whether or not they raised the gear after takeoff?
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:07 pm

76er wrote:
No surprise, cruizing non-pressurized at FL100 and obviously non-ETOPS. Anyone in the know whether or not they raised the gear after takeoff?


It's at 28,000ft now and has been higher earlier in the flight. It's also flying at 481kts over ground so I'd say so!
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:44 pm

Maybe the FL280 is because the North Atlantic RVSM airspace, some communication issue, altimeter issues or Datalink not working so it was not allow to go above FL and be in the RVSM.

I am not sure if the route they are following is not an ETOPS one, I am not srure if you can be within 420nm of an airport on that area. but at the same time I don't think they can operate ETOPS unless they have a dispensation for a ferry flight.
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Tue Oct 19, 2021 2:25 pm

Video of the takeoff:
https://youtu.be/ex0NhIEwtwI
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:23 pm

migair54 wrote:
Maybe the FL280 is because the North Atlantic RVSM airspace, some communication issue, altimeter issues or Datalink not working so it was not allow to go above FL and be in the RVSM.

I am not sure if the route they are following is not an ETOPS one, I am not srure if you can be within 420nm of an airport on that area. but at the same time I don't think they can operate ETOPS unless they have a dispensation for a ferry flight.


The north Atlantic can be operated non-ETOPS. From Scotland to near Iceland, Greenland, etc. Yes, I had to do this once - a 757 from SNN to EWR with an avionics cooling fan inop restricted the flight to non-ETOPS. It also added about an hour to the flight (compared to the original flight plan's time).
 
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Re: Jet Airways 77W VT-JEW at AMS

Tue Oct 19, 2021 3:37 pm

Only during the North Atlantic crossing, N377CL operated at FL280 , before the crossing at FL340 and after the crossing at FL360.
Probably the aircaft was not RVSM approved or a technical issue popped up during flight, effecting the RVSM status of the aircraft. (altimeters exceeding limits, etc.)

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