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Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:20 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/12/us/delta ... index.html

(CNN)An off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant apparently commandeered the intercom on an Atlanta-bound flight Friday night, leading to a scuffle that forced the plane to land in Oklahoma City, an airline spokesman said.

Crews are just as human as we are but this is still pretty bloody disturbing.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:15 pm

Will be interesting to see what comes out about this, little publicly I imagine. If this person has some sort of record of issues, it won't look good for Delta.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:26 pm

Its sad we are seeing so many of these crazy situations It had been categorized with all the fights in MIA and people randomly attacking flight attendants but the "off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant" if true is a new detail and makes this one really different.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:28 pm

Italianflyer wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/12/us/delta-unruly-passenger-flight-diverted/index.html

(CNN)An off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant apparently commandeered the intercom on an Atlanta-bound flight Friday night, leading to a scuffle that forced the plane to land in Oklahoma City, an airline spokesman said.

Crews are just as human as we are but this is still pretty bloody disturbing.


Disturbing how?
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:30 pm

flyboy80 wrote:
Will be interesting to see what comes out about this, little publicly I imagine. If this person has some sort of record of issues, it won't look good for Delta.


let's say it is a psychological issue, NOT saying it is but if it is, pretty sure those records can't be publicly made known for personal protection. Unless said person commits a crime
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:31 pm

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slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Its sad we are seeing so many of these crazy situations It had been categorized with all the fights in MIA and people randomly attacking flight attendants but the "off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant" if true is a new detail and makes this one really different.


The helmet and pads, if true, might certainly be a clue that somebody was ready to rumble.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:31 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Its sad we are seeing so many of these crazy situations It had been categorized with all the fights in MIA and people randomly attacking flight attendants but the "off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant" if true is a new detail and makes this one really different.


A little dramatic no? An incident a week out of thousands of flights isn't a whole lot
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:47 pm

Should this have been spotted earlier?.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:43 pm

From CNN:

“A couple of minutes after the announcement, Curlee said, the captain asked that "all able-bodied men please come to the front of the plane for an emergency."

"I feared the worst," he said. "I prayed that God would protect my family in case I was gone."

Curlee said he and a passenger next to him bolted from their seats to help but did not get very far.

"We got nowhere near because basically every man on the plane stepped up and was in the aisle," Curlee said.”

Because of this site’s rules, I can’t post what he allegedly was shouting. Let’s just say it was political slogans.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:02 am

USA Today video of the incident.

https://youtu.be/fsmXqmbOSDk
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 am

777luver wrote:
Italianflyer wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/12/us/delta-unruly-passenger-flight-diverted/index.html

(CNN)An off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant apparently commandeered the intercom on an Atlanta-bound flight Friday night, leading to a scuffle that forced the plane to land in Oklahoma City, an airline spokesman said.

Crews are just as human as we are but this is still pretty bloody disturbing.


Disturbing how?


Ummm....knowing security protocols, flight deck security code, time before override kicks in, etc.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 6:06 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
USA Today video of the incident.

https://youtu.be/fsmXqmbOSDk


Wow.. heart breaking to hear (the aggressor’s?) child yelling “dad” in the background.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:28 pm

The FAA needs to act on mental health screening. Drug test are given randomly and due to reasonable suspicion, but the mental health examination is the elephant in the room. A mental health fitness screening should be a mandatory requirement in the transportation industry on an annual basis.

Like the FedEx hijack by an employee, the PSA downing by a disgruntled employee and issues at JetBlue this is an problem that needs to be addressed. Earlier in the week a AA flight returned to the field because an employee bypassed security to non rev on a flight, thank goodness they were not trying to do something other than bypass security.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:45 pm

Italianflyer wrote:
777luver wrote:
Italianflyer wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/12/us/delta-unruly-passenger-flight-diverted/index.html

(CNN)An off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant apparently commandeered the intercom on an Atlanta-bound flight Friday night, leading to a scuffle that forced the plane to land in Oklahoma City, an airline spokesman said.

Crews are just as human as we are but this is still pretty bloody disturbing.


Disturbing how?


Ummm....knowing security protocols, flight deck security code, time before override kicks in, etc.


As long as the pilots are alive the flight deck would not be breached. That’s as much as I will say on the topic.

There’s a reason that German Wings happened the way it did……
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:08 pm

Italianflyer wrote:
777luver wrote:
Italianflyer wrote:
https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/12/us/delta-unruly-passenger-flight-diverted/index.html

(CNN)An off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant apparently commandeered the intercom on an Atlanta-bound flight Friday night, leading to a scuffle that forced the plane to land in Oklahoma City, an airline spokesman said.

Crews are just as human as we are but this is still pretty bloody disturbing.


Disturbing how?


Ummm....knowing security protocols, flight deck security code, time before override kicks in, etc.

A little bit of hyperbole maybe? The code for each flight is never the same for many reasons, including this incident.
kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out-USMC
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:06 pm

We sure are in a disturbing time for amount of passenger incidents, while I still believe the major off-balance of leisure vs business passengers is part of the reason. An off-duty FA is quite another level, but then again they were padded up for rumble, only to get a face-down first class experience.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:32 pm

What are they going to knee-jerk remove from the flying experience this time? No more non-revs...because obviously serving booze to coach passengers didn't cause this one.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:28 am

N505fx wrote:
What are they going to knee-jerk remove from the flying experience this time? No more non-revs...because obviously serving booze to coach passengers didn't cause this one.


Yeah the knee jerk reactions are getting tiring and obviously don't do anything.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:44 am

Obviously this guy was a concern but asking ‘all able bodied men’ to respond was an unnecessary escalation


In fact the FA’s seemed to think so as well, if they weren’t able to handle it themselves they could have just asked a few passengers seated nearby for their help instead of turning this into a WWF episode
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:35 am

Is OKC an ideal diversion airport? So many made the news.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:43 am

FlyEndeavorAir wrote:
N505fx wrote:
What are they going to knee-jerk remove from the flying experience this time? No more non-revs...because obviously serving booze to coach passengers didn't cause this one.


Yeah the knee jerk reactions are getting tiring and obviously don't do anything.

Right. Nothing is ever a good enough reason to change how we do things.

Nothing.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:55 am

D L X wrote:
FlyEndeavorAir wrote:
N505fx wrote:
What are they going to knee-jerk remove from the flying experience this time? No more non-revs...because obviously serving booze to coach passengers didn't cause this one.


Yeah the knee jerk reactions are getting tiring and obviously don't do anything.

Right. Nothing is ever a good enough reason to change how we do things.

Nothing.


Change is very welcome, when it affects something and isn't just PR window dressing that doesn't address the root cause....which no airlines nor the Federal government are doing.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:19 am

Max Q wrote:
Obviously this guy was a concern but asking ‘all able bodied men’ to respond was an unnecessary escalation


In fact the FA’s seemed to think so as well, if they weren’t able to handle it themselves they could have just asked a few passengers seated nearby for their help instead of turning this into a WWF episode


completely agree. Unless the FA's asked the pilots to do this (I doubt that was the case) it would have been more helpful for the pilots to focus on what they're doing as it relates to the situation at hand and let the FA's handle what's going down in the back. There are 4 FA's on the plane, it was going down in front, I imagine the other FA's could have quickly rounded up some ABP's - they may have been doing that. I'm also curious why the FA was waiting for the flexcuffs to come from the back - do they not have them at each end of the plane? All that said - every situation is different and I wasn't there so I can't know exactly what was happening.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:17 am

777luver wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Its sad we are seeing so many of these crazy situations It had been categorized with all the fights in MIA and people randomly attacking flight attendants but the "off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant" if true is a new detail and makes this one really different.


A little dramatic no? An incident a week out of thousands of flights isn't a whole lot


You see many off duty flight attendants announce on the PA that they’re going to take down the airplane?
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:21 am

mcdu wrote:
The FAA needs to act on mental health screening. Drug test are given randomly and due to reasonable suspicion, but the mental health examination is the elephant in the room. A mental health fitness screening should be a mandatory requirement in the transportation industry on an annual basis.

Like the FedEx hijack by an employee, the PSA downing by a disgruntled employee and issues at JetBlue this is an problem that needs to be addressed. Earlier in the week a AA flight returned to the field because an employee bypassed security to non rev on a flight, thank goodness they were not trying to do something other than bypass security.


I don’t disagree on the mental health screening, but the incidents you’ve cited are all almost a decade old or greater.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:43 am

Interesting that when a passenger does something wrong the tendency here is to assume the worst, hold them accountable and throw the book at them. Now, when it is an airline employee, the comments seem to be much less harsh, almost as though nothing at all happened.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 6:56 am

catiii wrote:
mcdu wrote:
The FAA needs to act on mental health screening. Drug test are given randomly and due to reasonable suspicion, but the mental health examination is the elephant in the room. A mental health fitness screening should be a mandatory requirement in the transportation industry on an annual basis.

Like the FedEx hijack by an employee, the PSA downing by a disgruntled employee and issues at JetBlue this is an problem that needs to be addressed. Earlier in the week a AA flight returned to the field because an employee bypassed security to non rev on a flight, thank goodness they were not trying to do something other than bypass security.



I don’t disagree on the mental health screening, but the incidents you’ve cited are all almost a decade old or greater.


It is a long standing problem and no one wants to address the issue.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:58 am

Ziyulu wrote:
Is OKC an ideal diversion airport? So many made the news.


Con-Air is on site :biggrin:

Okie
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 2:11 pm

catiii wrote:
777luver wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Its sad we are seeing so many of these crazy situations It had been categorized with all the fights in MIA and people randomly attacking flight attendants but the "off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant" if true is a new detail and makes this one really different.


A little dramatic no? An incident a week out of thousands of flights isn't a whole lot


You see many off duty flight attendants announce on the PA that they’re going to take down the airplane?


At most airlines the Captain is the onboard security coordinator and make the decisions
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:01 pm

filejw wrote:
catiii wrote:
777luver wrote:

A little dramatic no? An incident a week out of thousands of flights isn't a whole lot


You see many off duty flight attendants announce on the PA that they’re going to take down the airplane?


At most airlines the Captain is the onboard security coordinator and make the decisions


Uh ok...

You're saying the reaction to this is a little dramatic. I'm saying when an off duty FA for that airline runs up to the front of the airplane in a manic state, takes the PA and then threatens to take down the airplane (according to reports from those on board), no one is being "dramatic."
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:22 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Is OKC an ideal diversion airport? So many made the news.


Just a guess, but I imagine the low traffic there means that quick straight-in approaches and landings are likely. Plus, I imagine they have full facilities (in-house staff, contract fuel, long rwys, airport police, etc.).
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:26 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Is OKC an ideal diversion airport? So many made the news.


Yes... Middle of the country, and along the flight path PLUS Federal Prison Transfer Station on site at OKC..... If you pull up google earth and look almost due west of the terminal on the west side of the runway, you will find a six sided building with a long arm that goes to the tarmac with 2 air bridges. If you are a Federal Prisoner and being moved via air to another facility, chances are you will change planes in OKC. Only sad part is you don't get accrue miles. https://www.google.com/maps/@35.391163, ... a=!3m1!1e3
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:56 pm

jscottwomack wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
Is OKC an ideal diversion airport? So many made the news.


Yes... Middle of the country, and along the flight path PLUS Federal Prison Transfer Station on site at OKC..... If you pull up google earth and look almost due west of the terminal on the west side of the runway, you will find a six sided building with a long arm that goes to the tarmac with 2 air bridges. If you are a Federal Prisoner and being moved via air to another facility, chances are you will change planes in OKC. Only sad part is you don't get accrue miles. https://www.google.com/maps/@35.391163, ... a=!3m1!1e3

Was always fun watching the federal transfers at Terry Haute.

Prisoners shuffle off, prisoners shuffle on, with 30+ guys with guns spread around the ramp, and two helicopters overhead.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:15 pm

Italianflyer wrote:
(CNN)An off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant apparently commandeered the intercom on an Atlanta-bound flight Friday night, leading to a scuffle that forced the plane to land in Oklahoma City, an airline spokesman said.


I suspect the headline will soon need to be changed to "An off-duty former Delta Air Lines flight attendant..." ......

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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:31 pm

alfa164 wrote:
Italianflyer wrote:
(CNN)An off-duty Delta Air Lines flight attendant apparently commandeered the intercom on an Atlanta-bound flight Friday night, leading to a scuffle that forced the plane to land in Oklahoma City, an airline spokesman said.


I suspect the headline will soon need to be changed to "An off-duty former Delta Air Lines flight attendant..." ......

;)


Well... DL's PR department will do overtime to make sure its just gonna be “An off-duty former flight attendant... " in the headlines :mrgreen: :P
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:43 pm

mcdu wrote:
The FAA needs to act on mental health screening. Drug test are given randomly and due to reasonable suspicion, but the mental health examination is the elephant in the room. A mental health fitness screening should be a mandatory requirement in the transportation industry on an annual basis.

Like the FedEx hijack by an employee, the PSA downing by a disgruntled employee and issues at JetBlue this is an problem that needs to be addressed. Earlier in the week a AA flight returned to the field because an employee bypassed security to non rev on a flight, thank goodness they were not trying to do something other than bypass security.

Mental health incidents are quite rare. Also you won't be able to catch most of those individuals by mental health checks. The GWI9525 first officer passed one of the most strictest psychological assessments in aviation, but still had severe mental health issues. Those mental health checks would produce a huge amount of "false" positives, also many people suffering from psychological conditions are able to hide the issue. Those kind of mental health screenings would produce a lot of stress for the pilots without a major benefit.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 am

FlyingElvii wrote:
jscottwomack wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
Is OKC an ideal diversion airport? So many made the news.


Yes... Middle of the country, and along the flight path PLUS Federal Prison Transfer Station on site at OKC..... If you pull up google earth and look almost due west of the terminal on the west side of the runway, you will find a six sided building with a long arm that goes to the tarmac with 2 air bridges. If you are a Federal Prisoner and being moved via air to another facility, chances are you will change planes in OKC. Only sad part is you don't get accrue miles. https://www.google.com/maps/@35.391163, ... a=!3m1!1e3

Was always fun watching the federal transfers at Terry Haute.

Prisoners shuffle off, prisoners shuffle on, with 30+ guys with guns spread around the ramp, and two helicopters overhead.



Everyone’s got their own idea of fun, I’d rather be doing just about anything else !
The best contribution to safety is a competent Pilot.


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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:18 pm

When the Feds have no more room at a prison, they will place the inmate at another location and then shuttle them from their "base" location to their court appearance location, then return them. The Fed Marshall's that accompany them spend a lot of time in the air and its not unusual to see multiples of them holding 1K status. Only problem is they are sandwiched in regular coach seats and cannot enjoy the perks of membership.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:18 pm

I hope nobody was flying under one of his buddy passes or family members traveling they will be stranded.
 
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Re: Off duty DL F/A causes dvx to OKC on LAX-ATL flight

Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:41 pm

jscottwomack wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
Is OKC an ideal diversion airport? So many made the news.


Yes... Middle of the country, and along the flight path PLUS Federal Prison Transfer Station on site at OKC..... If you pull up google earth and look almost due west of the terminal on the west side of the runway, you will find a six sided building with a long arm that goes to the tarmac with 2 air bridges. If you are a Federal Prisoner and being moved via air to another facility, chances are you will change planes in OKC. Only sad part is you don't get accrue miles. https://www.google.com/maps/@35.391163, ... a=!3m1!1e3


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